TNB Conlang (katlani)

Wezl - a cautionary tale

16:00

and it tastes better

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms I'm going to put that in the pronouns section.

Redwolf Programs

I like how "to think" sounds a lot like "opinion"

onin vs. onion

@DLosc sy gust

Wezl - a cautionary tale

on purpose

mathcat

what's the bot for?

Redwolf Programs

Adding words to the github

mathcat

16:01

per chat?

grandBagel

@mathcat per WR

mathcat

oh ok

Redwolf Programs

@grandBagel We have no e

grandBagel

WR: polr: salad

DLosc

WR: vmak (pron.): Who? (as in, "who is that?", "who did you see?")

By analogy with inanimate vy

grandBagel

16:02

@mathcat ok is hobla

mathcat

hobla

sy gust!

Redwolf Programs

oto vmak su polr vi rno?

("Who has (the) fruit salad?")

DLosc

no oto ma

grandBagel

@DLosc Let me guess, "not me"?

mathcat

no oto ami ma

Redwolf Programs

16:04

WR: mogusi (adv): Possibly

DLosc

@grandBagel sy

Redwolf Programs

oto mogusi ka su niny: "Maybe you have it?"

mathcat

oto no no no

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms pas hama ma "no"

Redwolf Programs

WR: briga (v): To care

grandBagel

16:06

@RedwolfPrograms oto noiii

Redwolf Programs

@DLosc no briga ma su pas hada ka su vy

("I don't care what you said")

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms baka sus :P

Redwolf Programs

onin ma pat pas oto ka su niny: "I think you had it"

@DLosc ka ama

si mata su bakai

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms si vy su "mata"?

mathcat

susin si su DLosc

is that correct?

DLosc

16:09

I don't think so, what were you trying to say?

mathcat

I am suspicious about DLosc.

DLosc

susin ma su DLosc, I think

mathcat

oh yeah ma is I

DLosc

(also, :P)

ta ma no si su mak sus. ta kai si su maki sus.

@RedwolfPrograms What was your word for "but" again?

Redwolf Programs

saman nilo nogolfy: This time of day is slow

@DLosc kashi

DLosc

16:13

That's right, the breakfast cereal :P

grandBagel

Should we have a prefix for "in the morning"?

Redwolf Programs

tshadom baka sus: "When the fool is sus"

@grandBagel Prefix? idk. We have a word for it though.

Well, a word for "morning"

Maybe we need a preposition for "at [time]"

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms We could use lia

Wezl - a cautionary tale

1 hour ago, by Wezl - a cautionary tale

we need a when or during or at conjunction

Redwolf Programs

Oh good point

We can (re)use tshadom

Wezl - a cautionary tale

16:14

yeah

DLosc

Most languages with cases overload them pretty heavily

Redwolf Programs

tshadom saman pasla: "when it's morning"

Wezl - a cautionary tale

si o my ma su o izl tshadom saman pasla

Redwolf Programs

:)

si o my ma su o izl tshadom saman nosos

Should we have a shorter "never" than that?

grandBagel

WR: lkhomr: never

Redwolf Programs

16:18

Is that an l or I?

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms Nah, it's the same length as "never", it's fine

Wezl - a cautionary tale

fypasla: never :P

grandBagel

@RedwolfPrograms lowercase L

Redwolf Programs

You sure like consonants lol

And schwas

WR: manvi (prep): On top of

grandBagel

@RedwolfPrograms because there are more of them

Redwolf Programs

16:20

si digai manvi abail my ma: "There are ninjas on my house"

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms What's our syntax for prepositional phrases?

Redwolf Programs

Not actually sure

DLosc

Just preposition followed by noun, no case marker?

Redwolf Programs

I don't think a case marker would be needed

We could treat the preposition as a case marker sort of, like my

DLosc

That's what I was thinking, only I'd phrase it the other way around: case markers are essentially prepositions

Wezl - a cautionary tale

16:22

si ngoirfro manvi ktomish manvi ngoirfro su "sandwich"

Redwolf Programs

So si digai manvi abail my ma means "there are ninjas on my roof", and si digai su y manvi abail my ma means "there are ninjas who are on my roof"

mathcat

nice

Redwolf Programs

(Using y as a "dummy noun" if that makes sense, not sure if it's needed)

DLosc

That makes sense

Wezl - a cautionary tale

"ninjas are things on top of my house"

Redwolf Programs

16:24

@Wezl-acautionarytale si "sandwich" su lan my katlani?

grandBagel

WR: omkop: sandwichk

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WR: inglish (n): English

mathcat

WR: tipstor (n): imposter/thief

DLosc

@grandBagel Spell with a k maybe

Wezl - a cautionary tale

inglish vaiksal

Redwolf Programs

16:24

@mathcat No th

Or e

mathcat

oh

Redwolf Programs

tipstir, maybe?

DLosc

Or tipstor

mathcat

oh yes, sounds better

Redwolf Programs

tshadom tipstor sus 😳 :p

WR: sandvitsh (n): Sandwich

(since sandwich was originally a proper noun and tends to be similar in many languages)

mathcat

16:27

Tschadom si tipstor su diga sus

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WR: kahidai (v): Should

kahidai ka pat si ka su diga: You should be a ninja

hai! saman pasla fos, pxeger!

DLosc

WR: nilvan (adj): Obvious, clear

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pas kbam mai su lanii tshadom no si ka su isa

DLosc

WR: nilvan (intj): Clearly, duh

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WR: avaza (v): To make a sound

DLosc

16:32

@RedwolfPrograms This is a little odd to me. si ka su isa sounds like you're equating the addressee with the concept of "this place"

Redwolf Programs

Oh true, I am

Do we have "at"?

grandBagel

WR: kolbat: bird

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms I suggested we use lia for "at" when it's referring to time--dunno if we want to do the same for place. I think we're already using lia for "to" when it refers to place.

Latin and Greek both have prepositions that encompass both "to" and "at" meanings, so I'm comfortable combining them

Redwolf Programs

Sounds good

DLosc

oto kai su onioni?

Redwolf Programs

16:34

Or, should I say, avaza niny su y fos? :p

("It sounds like a good thing", I think?)

DLosc

Hmmm... no gust

Ginger Industries

hiya!

Redwolf Programs

Because it's an english-y idiom? Or the syntax of using su y fos there

@GingerIndustries hiya!

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms Unless there's a related definition of avaza that's a transitive verb meaning "to sound like (something)"

Ginger Industries

how's that regex looking?

user

16:36

@DLosc sy gust

DLosc

@GingerIndustries Oh, I got distracted

yps

grandBagel

@GingerIndustries haia!

Redwolf Programs

@DLosc Oh true, I think it'd translate better to "It makes a good sound" (for su y fos)

DLosc

@GingerIndustries I think it's best to use one regex with multiple capture groups

Ginger Industries

Off-topic, how do yall keep NSP and co. from timing out?

Redwolf Programs

16:37

Timing out?

Ginger Industries

GingerBot left the APOL Orchard

I think bc it didn't send anything

Redwolf Programs

Keep a websocket open

That's what SE pings to make sure you're still alive

Ginger Industries

idk if LyxaLib does that, I think it does

prob a technical issue on my end then

Wezl - a cautionary tale

how do you say websocket in katlani :P

grandBagel

WR: hoyblo: websocket

Redwolf Programs

16:38

WR: naita (n): Internet

Wezl - a cautionary tale

that was a joke

Ginger Industries

WR: sokit: Connection

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sokit vi naita: Websocket

Wezl - a cautionary tale

I was just about to propose that we choose something for internet

Ginger Industries

yup

pxeger

16:39

websocket would be a borrowed noun, surely?

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms vi?

pxeger

sokit vi naita would just mean network socket in general

Wezl - a cautionary tale

makes sense

onin pxeger

Redwolf Programs

@GingerIndustries A preposition for with/of, still a little vague when you should use my/vi

grandBagel

@GingerIndustries If the bot sees hello and HeLLo as different definitions, do we have two words that mean the same?

Ginger Industries

16:40

@RedwolfPrograms I'm going to use my

@grandBagel It should convert them to lowercase

Redwolf Programs

WR: tsol (adv): Well

onin tsol pxeger: Pxeger thinks well

pxeger

can't we just use the existing word for good as an adverb?

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms as in "doing well"?

DLosc

^^

pxeger

(Maybe we'd need some syntax to convert it to an adverb though, for it to be unambiguous)

Redwolf Programs

16:41

Hmm, I guess we could

grandBagel

@GingerIndustries what if they have unicode?

Ginger Industries

@grandBagel they won't

Redwolf Programs

How about li for adverbing?

fosli

pxeger

Like English ly

Wezl - a cautionary tale

good idea

pxeger

16:41

@RedwolfPrograms are there any words that already end in li?

Wezl - a cautionary tale

onin fos li pxeger

grandBagel

bomy, sy gust!

Redwolf Programs

@pxeger No adjectives

DLosc

I'd prefer if we had a particle for adverbing rather than a suffix

Wezl - a cautionary tale

^

Redwolf Programs

16:42

We could make it a particle

li fos

pxeger

Yeah, that's a good idea

grandBagel

also bomy, sy gust!

pxeger

Does that mean adverbs always use li, or will there be some words which are adverbs innately?

mathcat

hiya!

Redwolf Programs

@pxeger We already have some innate adverbs

So li will only be for some stuff

Wezl - a cautionary tale

16:43

do we have a way to say infinitives yet?

Redwolf Programs

E.g., onin li golfy imi ka! for "think fast!"

@Wezl-acautionarytale Last I heard we decided not to have them at all

And use pat where you'd use an infinitive

Wezl - a cautionary tale

how do I say "my cat likes to eat mistletoe" then?

pxeger

So do modal verbs just take an unconjugated extra verb?

DLosc

@Wezl-acautionarytale "My cat likes that it eats mistletoe"

Wezl - a cautionary tale

can I get that in katlani?

Redwolf Programs

16:45

@pxeger Well, take this sentence for example: kiro ma pat iz ma su mak sos: I want to bite someone

After the pat, just an ordinary verb-first statement

Ginger Industries

kiro ktom o my mi "mistletoe"

pxeger

@Wezl-acautionarytale gust o my mi lia ktom su mistletoe?

Redwolf Programs

Or I guess you could swap mak sos and ma if you want someone to bite you but uh...

grandBagel

@GingerIndustries just decode, modify, and encode

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

DLosc

16:46

@Wezl-acautionarytale I don't think we have "mistletoe," but gus o my ma pat ktom (niny) su y

pxeger

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Redwolf Programs

WR: nistaha (v): To look

mathcat

@GingerIndustries I want a cat, that likes to eat mistletoe?

Ginger Industries

hmmm

stupid verb ordering

Redwolf Programs

nistaha imi ka! oii! (Look! A lot of cats!)

6

Ginger Industries

16:48

brb

Redwolf Programs

I love it so much that "a lot of cats" is significantly shorter than "look!" in that sentence

grandBagel

@RedwolfPrograms holtsh

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WR: sabao (v): To cause

mathcat

@RedwolfPrograms yes

Wezl - a cautionary tale

WR: hyhy (intj.): laughing

Redwolf Programs

16:50

sabao niny su ma poi: It makes me happy

mathcat

sy gust su matiks!

pxeger

@pxeger This uses lia (indirect object (of gust; gust has no direct object here)) for the verb phrase "to eat mistletoe"; do we think that's sensible?

I keep getting SE chat pings from the wrong tabs lol

DLosc

@pxeger I think it's too English-like

I prefer using a pat clause

Redwolf Programs

Should pat require su?

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms can we please keep development in one place (github)?

Redwolf Programs

16:52

Sure, but we still should have easy access to the hackmd to be able to copy stuff over easily

And it's a lot faster to add words to the hackmd than the github

DLosc

^

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms That's why I suggest pressing the . key on GitHub to open a codespace; it can be fast to add words there

Redwolf Programs

So I'm using it as a sort of "staging area" rn, and I'll move over all the words to the github in bulk occasionally

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms but the bot will update to github

Redwolf Programs

Oh, is the bot working already?

Ginger Industries

16:53

@pxeger my idea was to use hackmd's "github sync" feature

DLosc

@pxeger Yesterday when we made the HackMD, I and some others didn't have write access to the GitHub files

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms no, that's why I said "will"

DLosc

Looks like I do now, so sy gust

Wezl - a cautionary tale

hyhyhyhyhyhyhyhyhyhyhyhyhyhyhy

Redwolf Programs

@GingerIndustries oh okay

mathcat

16:54

why is sh it's own letter?

Ginger Industries

I need the parsing regex

pxeger

@DLosc yeah, I thought it was supposed to be a stop-gap solution until I came back and fixed the GitHub permissions

@mathcat it's not a letter, but it's a digraph with distinct pronunciation from what s h would be

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@mathcat we want each letter to represent only one sound if possible

Redwolf Programs

@mathcat It's not, but I added it to my list of letters (and others likely did with theirs) since it's our only digraph, so it can serve as both a list of sounds and a list of letters

mathcat

thanks, three pings at once

Wezl - a cautionary tale

16:55

but sh is a compromise because people didn't want to repurpose deleted letters

DLosc

@mathcat si ka su o vi matiks

Redwolf Programs

sy gust!

Or possibly o asi matiks

If mathcat is both at once :p

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms That would be... interesting

Ginger Industries

WR: test word (n.): Test definition

Redwolf Programs

WR: ov (conj): Or

DLosc

16:57

I'm imagining some very complicated parametric function that when you graph it draws a cat

Redwolf Programs

(ov pas oto makai su "or"...)

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms Inclusive or exclusive "or"? ;)

Redwolf Programs

WR: gangip (v): To guess, assume

pxeger

@DLosc it's inclusive or exclusive!

mathcat

@DLosc jort

DLosc

16:59

@pxeger -1, too English-like /hj

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