2021 Mathematics Stack Exchange Moderator Election Chat

1:12 AM

From [A Day in the Penalty Box](https://stackoverflow.blog/2009/04/06/a-day-in-the-penalty-box/) ,

"Depending on the severity of the problem behavior — and at the complete discretion of the moderator — your account will be placed in timed suspension for anywhere from 1 to 365 days."

Although some users can be suspended for much longer. I think I saw a user suspended until 2092. Not sure if it is the correct year.

What I don't get is the ineligibility of a user for a year after the suspension ends. This is for all suspended users, right?

Xander Henderson

@soupless If a user has been suspended from any site in the SE network, and that suspension ended less than one year ago, then they are disqualified from running for a moderator position.

soupless

Thank you very much.

Xander Henderson

1:28 AM

Note that this policy was established sometime around 2015 or 2016. I don't know when exactly, and I can't find the relevant Meta post. However, that is several years after the "A Day in the Penalty Box" post.

That being said, I don't see any contradiction between the philosophy of the penalty box, and disqualifying users who have been suspended in the past year from running for moderator.

The last paragraph of that post begins

> At the end of this timed suspension period, your reputation will be recalculated, and your account will resume as normal.

You get all of the privileges you previously had. This does not necessarily entitle you to obtain new privileges, e.g. those which come with a diamond.

soupless

@XanderHenderson There's no contradiction. I just think that suspensions lasting for less than a year should also be the penalty after the suspension, and suspensions for at least a year should have a penalty of a year.

Xander Henderson

@soupless I'm sorry... I don't think I understand what you are saying.

soupless

You said that an 18-year-old user suspended for a year can run when they are 20 years old, and I think it should be. But users suspended for less than a year? Maybe they should be eligible after some time, equal to the duration of their suspension.

For example, a user suspended for a day should be eligible after a day, and a user suspended for a month should be eligible after a month. Or not.

Xander Henderson

@soupless That is an interesting idea, but well beyond the powers of the per-site moderators to change.

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Q: Loosen the "no suspension in the past year" requirement for nominees, or at least listen to the community

Recently on Physics SE there's been a dramatic election, where the only 40-scored and top nominee was banned from nominating due to their suspension in the last year, which created a dense wave of confusion in the community. (more) This is not the first time I've learned that the "suspension-fre...

Jitendra Singh

2:17 AM

@soupless Just write a question in Meta SE for that request with tag feature-request

soupless

4:24 AM

The link for the election is /election/9. Does the 9 mean the ninth election?

Martin Sleziak

4:45 AM

@soupless That's correct, as far as I know. You can change the previous ones by changing the URL to 8 math.stackexchange.com/election/8 7 math.stackexchange.com/election/7 etc.

Martin Sleziak

4:59 AM

Maybe it is useful to have some approximation of the number of the number of Caucus and Constituent badges before the election. (Now I see 22750 and 8961.)

The numbers at the beginning of the month:

in In praise of Math.SE site and its users, Nov 2 at 5:52, by Martin Sleziak

With election getting close, I will mention that now there are 21181 Caucus badges and 8962 Constituent badges.

From SEDE I am getting 2165 Caucus badges and 8962 Constituent badges.

soupless

Wait, how can there be one less Constituent badge? Is it account deletion?

Martin Sleziak

Although, interestingly if I change date until the beginning of Novemer I get 21179 Caucus badges and 8962 Constituent badges

@soupless That would be my guess, although I do not really have a way of confirming it.

Martin Sleziak

5:15 AM

Only now I realized that one can actually get now Caucus badges also for some of the past elections - if they visit the page for the previous election now (and they haven't got the badges for that election before).

Some examples can be seen in this query: data.stackexchange.com/math/query/1510159/…

Such as: math.stackexchange.com/help/badges/207/caucus?userid=156808 or math.stackexchange.com/help/badges/207/caucus?userid=454915

If the above is too much of a digression from the main topic of this room, feel free to move those messages to my room.

The Amplitwist

5:31 AM

@MartinSleziak The second user linked in this message seems to have been awarded two Caucus badges at different times, isn't it? I mean, unlike the first user linked in this message who was awarded two Caucus badges on June 28, for the 2018 and 2020 elections.

Searching on Meta Stack Exchange, it seems that an account merge can cause this behavior: Strange behavior of [caucus] badge. Perhaps a mod can confirm whether or not this is so, and if it isn't then maybe it's worth a bug report…

Oh, you were writing up a report, I see: Caucus badges can be earned after an election, posted just five minutes ago :)

Martin Sleziak

5:59 AM

@TheAmplitwist Yes, I should have searched a bit better before making that post.

In any case, now we have two posts on Meta Stack Exchange about this - we'll see whether my question will be closed as a duplicate. But the one you linked offers some possible explanation. (A short quote from the answer: "Erroneous appearing badges can result from: Merges, Script faults (counting twice when a change is made in the same minute), all cases not being handled, etc.")

The Amplitwist

@MartinSleziak I've found that searching is often a hit-and-miss on Meta SE. Even when I know that there's a particular post that I've read before, I'm often unable to find it unless I hit upon some very specific keywords.

Martin Sleziak

I often found using tags very helpful for searching (or restricting the search results). I should have tried questions tagged badges+election - there is only 24 of them and only 9 if I add bug.

Checking 9 questions is not that much work.

I am certainly willing to discuss various things related to searching - but that would be more suitable for the searching room. But right now, I'll have to go to work - as I have a lecture starting in one hour (and after that some administrative stuff and then again a lecture and again some bureaucracy - life would be easier if one could simply stay in SE chatrooms all the time and ignore the things in real life).

The Amplitwist

No issues, we can pick up this topic later, if needed :)

TheSimpliFire

8:40 AM

I just found out that the "intro history" is titled "Revisions to moderator nomination" but "questionnaire history" is titled "Revisions to unknown" which I presume is due to the new format.

The Amplitwist

@TheSimpliFire Good catch. Might be worth filing a bug report on Meta Stack Exchange, too.

TheSimpliFire

Spotted another thing. When you click on the election page link https://math.stackexchange.com/election?cb=1, the nomination comments are not clickable (no permalink). However, it works when you use the alternative link https://math.stackexchange.com/election/9 because the comments only follow the election/9 part of the URL.

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The Amplitwist

Yup, this one was already reported though. I think I found the same thing yesterday myself, hang on.

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Q: Comment links don't show up on election pages if there are query strings or parameters in the URL

In Biblical Hermeneutics' election page, the comment links (on timestamps of the comments) are clickable if I visit https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/election directly. If I visit the election page by clicking the election link from the Upcoming Events sidebar in Biblical Hermeneutics Meta (...

bug comments hyperlinks election

I checked that this bug is happening in the ongoing election on Mathematics. I also noticed that if the URL reads /election/<election-number>* then the timestamps are always present, both when * = ?cb=1 as well as when * = #comment<ID>. So, for instance, https://math.stackexchange.com/election/9?cb=1 and https://math.stackexchange.com/election/9#comment8960872_430‌2276 (and also https://math.stackexchange.com/election/9?cb=1#comment896087‌2_4302276) can be used with the comment timestamps remaining clickable. — The Amplitwist 13 hours ago

Oh, I just found out that the above was already mentioned in a comment on a different post… — The Amplitwist 13 hours ago

TheSimpliFire

2:38 PM

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Q: Election: Questionnaire history is titled "Revisions to unknown"

On the Mathematics election page, there is a minor bug in that clicking on a candidate's questionnaire history from the drop-down box [it looks like "history" has a larger font size?] leads to a revision list where the browser tab description reads "Revisions to unknown - Mathematics Stack Exchange"

bug status-review election revisions-list window-title

The Amplitwist

2:52 PM

@TheSimpliFire Wow, a whole cascade of bugs are coming out in the comments. Upvoted :)

TheSimpliFire

Yeah there's still a small amount to fix. Most were already sorted out after this chemistry meta thread.

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