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Several questions deal with the requirement "should run on old hardware". Would a tag for low hardware requirements add a value here?

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Q: Where to go with "automation" tag

The automation is used rather widely currently. I just wrote the tag-wiki to correspond to the question that currently use it and I think this is a good use, but see problems with this (especially it overlaps with the concept of scheduling.) The current tag-wiki I wrote: Automation refers to th...

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Fractaliste

14:45

Why can't I add a community answer to the topic : meta.softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/423/… ?

Braiam

14:56

@Fractaliste because is already CWified

Fractaliste

Are all question automatically Wikified?

Braiam

no, all the answers to CWfied questions

Fractaliste

Thanks, I didn't know it :o

Angelo Neuschitzer

15:38

Is there a "Web-App" thats not also a "Cloud Service"? If not: Should we make them synonyms?

Izzy

@Fractaliste I guess if @kalina would make her question CW, answers might get auto-CW'd (but I'm not sure)

@AngeloNeuschitzer Depends on how you define "cloud service".

If a web-app is a simple "mobile version of the website" (say, nothing but a wrapper to read that website's articles and maybe leave a comment), I would not call that a "cloud service".

Angelo Neuschitzer

@Izzy I see. So, I guess I better not synonym them or I stir up that "web site" vs. "web app" argument again.

Braiam

@AngeloNeuschitzer I prefer not using "cloud" since it carries too many meanings

Izzy

@Braiam Exactly.

Braiam

well, apparently Gilles created the tag, he must have a good reason

Izzy

15:53

@Fractaliste concerning Software to send files through my private network (I prefer to not extend the comments, as you're around here it's better to discuss this in chat): Samba is what you know as "shared folders" on your Windows computer (nothing to do with Dropbox at all). SaMBa is the "spoken form" of SMB.

So basically, you right-click on a folder, go to properties, and select to "share" it. Then you can access it directly from the other PC (selecting the first in networks, and browse its "shares").

If that's not fast enough (SMB has some overhead), you might consider using FTP. That would require to setup an FTP server on one PC, which you then can access the same way. Less overhead, so more speed.

Fractaliste

Does it works trough the Windows's residential network ? I find it very low (but maybe it's the network's fault)

Izzy

Not being a Windows guy, I don't know what FTP software to recommend :)

Angelo Neuschitzer

I found WinFTP a splendid tool back when I was using Windows

Izzy

@Fractaliste Exactly that, yes. Unless you configured your Internet router to open that port to the "outer world", it stays inside.

Angelo Neuschitzer

(But thats about 6 years ago)

3ventic

15:57

Windows to Windows in local network should be easy enough using the public folders?

Izzy

@AngeloNeuschitzer Server?

Angelo Neuschitzer

If Filezilla is still around thats also good.

OOPS.

No client.

Izzy

@3ventic That's what I've described above.

@AngeloNeuschitzer See. Good I've asked :)

3ventic

My CPU is dying atm

There we go

Angelo Neuschitzer

@Izzy Filezilla also has a server

3ventic

15:59

Now I have one core free

Fractaliste

I find some command line tool about tftp, is it very different to a ftp soft?

Angelo Neuschitzer

(Just remembered... I even once used it.)

Izzy

@AngeloNeuschitzer Go ahead and make it an answer then?

@Fractaliste I don't know, but AFAIR tftp is something slightly different (Tiny FTP I guess; used in some embedded stuff for maintenance)

Googling for "ftp-server windows" indeed brings FileZilla as first hit :)

Angelo Neuschitzer

@Izzy Already done

Izzy

@AngeloNeuschitzer Good! Thanks, so I don't need to place a link here :)

Angelo Neuschitzer

16:19

Do I get rep for tag-wikis? I aim for the 500 so I can just edit them.

Izzy

16:43

@AngeloNeuschitzer 2+2 (excerpt+wiki)

You should see some soon, they just have to be approved by two more members (I'm just walking the queue)

@AngeloNeuschitzer your "automation" tag excerpt describes a scheduler, not automation. Maybe you want to update that?

Do we really need bootable? That's somehow a contradiction. If it's about an OS: that should be bootable naturally. If it's about some other software: either it's an OS, or it's not bootable. Makes no sense to me.

The only question currently using this tag is rather speaking of a live-CD.

(or other bootable "live-medium")

Fractaliste

There are some bootable tools which are not really an OS, like some antivirus or other file system tools...

But it's quite unusual. I don't think we need a tag for them

Izzy

@Fractaliste I guess not. The "bootable anti-virus" is rather a bootable OS which auto-starts the AV soft.

We seem to get a lot of "strange tags". Next to "bootable", there's e.g. code-coverage. A bit far too specific I'd say.

It's also part of the question title, where it belongs IMHO :)

Fractaliste

16:58

In the end, I don't think that tags are very useful for a website like Software recommendation, every tags has to be into the requirement list...

Izzy

At least for such specific things, I totally agree.

Fractaliste

Every tag is more or less part of the question.

Izzy

@AngeloNeuschitzer please also check app-store: "requires software to be available on the official app-store" would be much too broad, I'd leave that out. On Android, that e.g. matches 90% of the apps (raw guess).

The second part, "interacts with the app-store", is perfect IMHO :)

Yuck. another one: amazon. Wouldn't shopping be better (and more generic)? // just collecting them here to bring them to your attention already, I'll copy them over to Meta later :)

Another much to specific tag: change-history. Rather belongs to the description again.

@AngeloNeuschitzer one more: clipboard, the excerpt. I guess everybody knows what a clipboard is; shouldn't the excerpt rather specify what for to use it (not Ctrl-C, but e.g. "clipboard management")?

@AngeloNeuschitzer same for blackberry: "use only if..." should be in the excerpt. Only few people go so far as to open the wiki itself.

Thank you for reviewing 20 suggested edits today; come back in 6 hours to continue reviewing. Yuck.

Izzy

17:26

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Q: Too narrow tags: What to do with them?

We've got a bunch of tags which are pretty narrow, and thus not much of use. Similar to Private beta cleanup: tag synonyms and tag merges, I suggest we use this "question" to collect those CW-wise to decide on each one (one tag per answer). Other than "over there", answers here should not be del...

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Q: Too narrow tags: What to do with them?

We've got a bunch of tags which are pretty narrow, and thus not much of use. Similar to Private beta cleanup: tag synonyms and tag merges, I suggest we use this "question" to collect those CW-wise to decide on each one (one tag per answer). Other than "over there", answers here should not be del...

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Angelo Neuschitzer

18:02

Man in this speed I won't come to that 500 rep today :(

@Izzy: Good thinking to put them into a Q

With most of them I was not sure what to do with them.

(Most tags I found bad I directly threw out of the questions, when I was a bit unsure I stuck them into the tag cleanup question. For the rest I thought: "Ok. Lets try and see how they evolve. Give them a wiki for now and then either use or discussion will follow"

Is there a possibility to see what edits I made that were either rejected or reverted?

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18:34

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Q: Where to put "Don't use for X" in tag wiki

I wrote some tag-wiki entries today and a thought came up that I'm unsure on how to handle. Some tags have a clear meaning and its usage is mostly clear (linux goes to linux related questions). Other tags should have a notation on when to use them, and when not. The Tag Wiki help says: The full ...

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Izzy

19:13

@AngeloNeuschitzer Good job. The latter was how they came to my attention (review queue), and why I brought them up in a separate Q on Meta. As "remove or keep" is a little different to "merge A and B", I thought they better should be dealt with in their own Q :)

@AngeloNeuschitzer on your user page, check the "activity" tab, and there the "suggestions" sub-tab

Should hold all your "suggested edits" (including tags). Then click the corresponding "suggested edit" link.

Shows you whether the corresponding edit was approved/rejected/whatever, and even by whom.

There might be a listing somewhere making it more comfortable, but I couldn't find it.

Angelo Neuschitzer

@Izzy Thanks! I'll have a look shortly

Izzy

@AngeloNeuschitzer If you find a better list, let me know!

Izzy

19:39

@Seth after having tried it, I permitted myself to add a few more details to your OCRFeeder recommendation (Tool for extracting text from a scan). You might wish to verify that :)

Seth

@Izzy Yep, I got a notification :)

Angelo Neuschitzer

19:54

YES! 500! woho. Now I can edit and see the results directly. Now I "just" need 1.500 extra to be able to edit tag-wikis myself :)

Izzy

@AngeloNeuschitzer Waiting for the missing 977, too :)

Izzy

20:14

Hm, no rep today (yet) :(

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Q: Should prices be part of the requirements in questions?

Much questions include a requirement about pricing. For example, a program should be free or "no more than $50". I understand that the price of a piece of software is relevant in deciding which product to choose. However, making the price a requirement in the question drastically limits the poss...

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Izzy

21:20

Anybody working on the synonym requests from Private beta cleanup: tag synonyms and tag merges? Noone of us has the required rep for that yet (we cannot even "suggest" synonyms directly). Ping a CM? Or how do we deal with that?

kalina

22:39

@Izzy get a CM to do it

Izzy

@kalina Ooops. Never pinged any. How do do that best? Flagging our Meta wiki for mod attention?

kalina

prolly

Izzy

???

Gilles

I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

what do we have left to do before public beta?

clean up more crap answers?

establish a minimum quality threshold?

kalina

tags, quality level, clean up

Izzy

22:52

* Earn enough rep to manage things! ATM, there's nobody with 2k+ around, not to speak of 10k+
* get somebody to do the tag-synonymizing (no mods, so we cannot do that ourselves)

Gilles

@Izzy none of this is necessary to enter public beta

it's normal to enter public beta without high-rep users and without mods

Izzy

But it's recommended to have xxx members with yyy rep, isn't it?

Gilles

not for public beta

for graduation

Izzy

Ah – OK, so I've messed that up. Sorry. Though being around for a while, I've never been part of the entire process yet :)

Joined Android.SE when they were already "graduated"

So this is my first time for that :)

@Gilles Still left are several "agreements" on what makes quality. Especially concerning tags.

That was a big up-and-down the last days. Which tags make sense, for example (thinking of the "server" tag here especially), and a "common definition" how to know them if they pop up.

For sure we need to have our help-center updated – which brings up the "gaming" section again, amongst others (what do we consider on-topic, what not)

Gilles

@Izzy only the “on-topic” page of the help center can be customized for each site, and that's normally done by mods

Izzy

23:03

Closing-reasons are a bit vague at the moment. Not sure whether we should discuss "delegations" (aka "migration paths").

@Gilles That's the one I was referring to, yes.

Gilles

@Izzy I haven't done private betas since there were per-site custom reasons, but I think for the time being we can live with commenting when we vote to close

Izzy

It's not really "there" yet, except for the basic "template". That's what we need to define.

@Gilles Have you seen what "sticks out" on an OT-close? Not really helpful to the questioner ATM :)

OK, to cite Bill Gates: "That's why we call it beta" #D

Gilles

@Izzy I know, but it's the same thing that sticks out even with custom close reasons

most of our closures involving site-specific advice would fall under “too broad” or “unclear”

Izzy

@Gilles I refer to the clause "as defined by...", basically pointing nowhere.

Angelo Neuschitzer

23:21

Lets get it on :)

@Izzy @Gilles We can close for "Off-topic" and then "other reason -> leave a comment". That should suffice for now. I think we should clear out a) gaming b) server and c) Websites and then we are as ready as we will get.

Gilles

@AngeloNeuschitzer this can be done in public beta

it's quality control that we need to really kickstart before private beta ends

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Q: How are we going to moderate answers?

Everyone has already agreed if this site is going to work we need to have really high quality questions and answers (especially the answers). This leads to the question, how are we going to moderate low quality answers? I mean: When should we delete answers? When should we downvote? ...

discussion answers answer-quality

Angelo Neuschitzer

@Gilles I think the clearing should be as complete as possible before public. (What exactly is the difference between public-beta and graduated?)

Gilles

23:37

@AngeloNeuschitzer graduated sites have their own design, higher rep thresholds, elected moderators

Angelo Neuschitzer

Okay, so on Tuesday everybody can come here? Then we should have these three issues set before it. I'm just unsure on how to reach conses on them... (And I'm way to tired to think about it now)

goes to bed

Izzy

@Gilles I agree with Angelo here: we should start into public as clear as possible. Sure, there will be things to agree on even when graduated. But the clearer we are to start with, the easier we can manage. And as soon as the "flood gates" are open... You know what I mean :)

Yuck does it make sense to tag a question database and mysql?

(waiting for Braiam and AngeloNeuschitzer to say "yes" #D)

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