The Comms Room

Joel E Salas

07:12

Sup

Cold T

07:34

morning all

Dennis Kaarsemaker

07:50

Be careful deleting answers. If you delete too many, it could contribute to your account being banned from participating on the site. One or two is OK, but if a large chunk of your participation starts being deleted, it could contribute to an automatic ban. — MDMarra yesterday

Cold T

wow dead in here, suppose its too early for the uk

Dennis Kaarsemaker

What's the limit there? I've deleted about a handful of stupid answers in the last 6 months.

Answers of the type "oh crap, didn't read the question properly and the answer makes no sense whatsoever"

Dan

Morning

Iain

@DennisKaarsemaker it's complex and not published (even to mods) and involves more than just deleted questions/answers - you would have to go a long way to reach this point now

tombull89

@Iain you still looking for internet? hyperoptic.com - of which @William Hilsum of Root Access is a Sysadmin for.

But you're not in London, are you?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

07:55

@Iain ok, good to know that deleting ones own stupidity is still allowed :)

Iain

@tombull89 no fibre here

@DennisKaarsemaker the deletion of stuff mainly affects new users with low rep

Cold T

@Dan you hear what happened in woolwich?

Dan

@ColdT I very much heard about it, and I see it's bringing out all the racist mouth breathers on Facebook etc

Horrendous, though

Cold T

there will be always racist comments unfortunately for ignorant people

Dan

08:20

Indeed

Iain

@ewwhite do you have opinions on Shimano Dura Ace 7850 C24 Wheels ? Any known problems - how many miles they good for etc etc ?

Iain

09:06

@LucasKauffman G'day

Chopper3

09:30

Mornin' tools

Iain

@Chopper3 ayup - good oliday ?

Chopper3

yes, lovely thanks, ate my bodyweight in lobster

Iain

@Chopper3 big lobster that :)

Chopper3

:)

Iain

where did you go ?

Chopper3

09:34

@Iain edgartown as usual

Iain

@Chopper3 you home ?

Chopper3

yep

Iain

@Chopper3 can you get back to the controls of your weather machine please ?

Chopper3

@Iain it's nice here

Iain

10 C and blowing a gale - it's almost June :(

Chopper3

09:41

voted anyway ;)

Jenny D

Dear Coworker, How the fsck did "you need to make sure that your server is reachable from both these networks since we have to have two separate networks for the two separate security levels" in your mind become "tell notwork staff that we don't want two separate networks for the two separate security levels"?

Cold T

@Iain we had hail stones earlier in south London

Jenny D

@ColdT give me some and I can throw them at the coworker

Cold T

@JennyD you're welcome to have them in exchange to some sunshine and warmth!

Jenny D

@ColdT Hm. I can trade the sunshine over the town where $COWORKER lives, but not the one where I live

Lucas Kauffman

09:45

@Iain hello ^^

pauska

@Iain still no idea how I can remove a vote from the election without having to vote for another?

Iain

@pauska no, sorry

Cold T

I'm horrified by the quality of CVs we received, wow, just wow.

Iain

@LucasKauffman I wanted to ask you something but can't remember what it was now :-/

Cold T

does anyone know how much of a difference there is between sbs 2008 and 2k8r2?

pauska

09:55

gah, I got 2 different audits last day, and now I got a new one

Chopper3

Windows Server 2008 R2

Windows Server 2008 R2 is a server operating system produced by Microsoft. It was released to manufacturing (RTM) on July 22, 2009 and launched on October 22, 2009. According to the Windows Server Team blog, the retail availability was September 14, 2009. It is built on Windows NT 6.1, the same kernel used with the client-oriented Windows 7. It is the first 64-bit-only operating system released from Microsoft. Version enhancements include new functionality for Active Directory, new virtualization and management features, version 7.5 of Microsoft IIS Web Server and support for up to 256 log...

Dan

10:25

@ColdT Server 2008 is Vista, 2008 R2 is Windows 7 essentially. Though Server 2008 was far better than Vista on the desktop

Lucas Kauffman

10:55

@Iain lol :p

Lucas Kauffman

11:09

@Iain something I did wrong?

@Iain related to Network Engineering or the meta?

ewwhite

11:54

@Iain You're asking about wheels?

@Iain It's funny you ask this.

Iain

@LucasKauffman nope - that's all done and dusted.

@ewwhite why ?

Travis

@JennyD Sounds like laziness...allowing access to same server on both networks

Lucas Kauffman

@Iain ehm something about work?

Jenny D

@Travis It's a test system, and the server in question is used only for load testing. In the test system obviously none of the traffic is sensitive, but it should be as exact a copy of production as possible, and in production the networks do need to be separate

ewwhite

@Iain Heh... well... I have a pair of Dura-Ace 7850 24mm carbon tubular wheels.

Iain

12:06

@LucasKauffman when I remember what it was ...

ewwhite

My faaaaaavorite wheels.

Iain

@ewwhite and ...

@ewwhite bikeradar.com/forums/…

like them ?

ewwhite

@Iain See this

@Iain can't see your fancy link

the wheels are great... 1200+ grams, carbon, brake wheel, durable, nice hubs...

Iain

:(

ewwhite

But...

They're not 11-speed compatible, even though they are Shimano's own wheel!

and as a result, I have to dump them if I want to build my new bike up

no freehub conversion

Iain

12:10

s136.photobucket.com/user/danukgser/media/…

ewwhite

@Iain That's the aluminum clincher version. Heavier... much... but durable as hell.

Iain

s136.photobucket.com/user/danukgser/media/…

ewwhite

@Iain Wheels are the most important component on the bike. I'll assume you've never had a super high-end pair?

Iain

worth $500

Nah mine have been low end and I recently cracked the rim on my rear wheel

ewwhite

@Iain can be found for $400 in the us

on ebay, at least

@Iain probably an okay buy... but I think you'd be happier with carbon and lighter.

How are the roads by you? How often do you flat?

Travis

12:15

@JennyD I see

Jenny D

@Travis But note that if I hadn't noticed, he would have carried this through into production...

ewwhite

The UK probably cares about infrastructure, so I bet your roads are clean and don'y have medium-sized potholes like Chicago...

Another view of #sinkhole at 96th & Houston. @WGNMorningNews #Chicago http://t.co/WupTeCTnFm

Tweeted by NancyLoo on April 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM

tombull89

@ewwhite potholes? Yeah, we've got a couple o-HOLY SHEEEEETT.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Dan

@ewwhite I was about to jump into a rant but.....jesus, not like that, no.

Iain

12:18

@ewwhite the roads are quite crappy at the moment

ewwhite

Happens every year.

Iain

Looking on ebay 7850's that do sell go for ~$500 here

Journeyman Geek

I see your pothole and raise you the one in my neighbourhood

ride.asiaone.com/news/general/story/…

smaller, but water!

(holy shit, that IS bad)

ewwhite

@JourneymanGeek that's a speed-bump

@Iain So, they'll roll smoother... but still clincher tyres... slooooow

Travis

@JennyD yEP!

Iain

12:20

@ewwhite they come with tubs on

ewwhite

I'm so tired... there was so much fail last night.

Jenny D

@Travis Ah well. Only 38 days left to go now.

Cole

Morning

ewwhite

All of my worst computer fears in ONE client system

@Iain tubulars?

Jenny D

Morning, Cole

Cole

12:22

@JennyD how goes it?

Nathan C

Here in Maine, we have two seasons. Winter, and construction. Construction to repair all the potholes caused by winter.

Jenny D

Well... Let's put it this way. Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them. People like one of my coworkers.

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ewwhite

I've decided to let my dog fill in for me and do my work this week.

Jenny D

@ewwhite can he do my coworkers work too? Because I'm fairly sure it would cause less problems in the long run.

Tom O'Connor

<3 Cole

Cole

12:24

@NathanC huh, I didn't know you were so close to me dude

Tom O'Connor

Hai

Cole

@TomO'Connor hayy <3

tombull89

TITLE: Nuance PDF Professional 6 Editor and Reader Trial Software. PURPOSE: Reccomended wtf HP If I want to download 600MB I would have said so.

Jenny D

o hai

Cole

@JennyD Basically my day as well and it's not even 8:30AM here yet

Iain

12:25

@ewwhite yes Schwalbe Ultremo tubulars

ewwhite

@JennyD he'll bite, though

tombull89

@JennyD It's only illegal if you get caught.

Nathan C

@Cole where are you? :P I'm surprised anyone's really close to Maine!

Journeyman Geek

@ewwhite: poodle?

Jenny D

@ewwhite Hm. Can I choose who he gets to bite?

ewwhite

12:26

@JourneymanGeek Westie-poodle

Journeyman Geek

ahh

I was thinking terrier, but that's definately poodle nose and fur

ewwhite

It's a westie face!

poodle everything else.

Iain

@ewwhite so they're good wheels ?

Journeyman Geek

westie ears ;p

ewwhite

@Iain there are maybe 5 7850 wheels... clincher, tubeless, carbon shallow, carbon deep

Journeyman Geek

12:29

the stash is pretty common

ewwhite

So @Iain you need to compare the right models.

Iain

@ewwhite bikeradar.com/gear/category/components/wheel-sets/product/…

thaey are that model

but they are a world away from my current wheels

ewwhite

@Iain I have the tubular (glue-on) version of that.

Travis

Anyone else google their women account reps?

gWaldo

@ewwhite Problems?

ewwhite

12:33

1400grams is okay.

Travis

Or is that just wierd :)

ewwhite

@gWaldo Yes, major problems.

Jenny D

@Travis you have a woman account?

ewwhite

Hadoop client's system went down.

Iain

@ewwhite From what I read you can use tubs or tubes on them

gWaldo

12:33

@ewwhite Rub some MongoDB on it.

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Travis

@JennyD Yeah, when I get tired of one I tell them to send me another!

Iain

@ewwhite So - tubulars - are they repairable/replaceable at the roadside ?

ewwhite

@Iain No... different things. These wheels can use tubeless (like how a car's tires work) or regular clinchers tires.

Jenny D

@Travis I guess it saves time.

ewwhite

whereas mine need to be glued onto the wheels

@gWaldo hadoop works... our server design didn't

Jenny D

12:35

more seriously, I usually google account reps that my job does business with.

Travis

@JennyD Some woman called me yesterday claiming to be from Dell and to be my new rep. Guess I need to break her in

Jenny D

regardless of their gender

ewwhite

@Iain tubeless have no inner-tube... no pinch flats. But they can burp air.

gWaldo

@ewwhite Ouch. Brutal. What was wrong with the design?

ewwhite

@gWaldo Supermicro server, 17 disks, LSI RAID controller, 16 x RAID0 arrays consisting of one disk each, mounted at /dev/sda through /dev/sdp...

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Using RAID logical drives to present individual disks to an OS is very wrong.

gWaldo

12:37

@ewwhite You had me at "Supermicro"

ewwhite

When you do this, you run into issues like...

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Q: HP SmartArray accessing a physicaldrive when the controller believes it's failing

Is it possible to somehow access the raw block device hiding behind a HP SmartArray controller? I have a JBOD disk connected through a SmartArray, and the second the controller thinks it's failing it makes it impossible to access the disk (which would be the desired behavior in a RAID array). I ...

gWaldo

@ewwhite That whole thing has me going "whaaaaa?!"

ewwhite

and there's RAID metadata....

gWaldo

Iain

@ewwhite they come with tubeless vales as a 'spare'

Cole

12:38

@NathanC MA

ewwhite

@Iain well, you can try it.

not a bad wheel at all.

Cole

@gWaldo LOL

ewwhite

not forward compatible, though... so if you EVER get a new bike, you won't be able to use them

@gWaldo Also, using SATA disks on a SAS expander.

gWaldo

@ewwhite self.whimper(2)

ewwhite

which causes bus timeouts with failing disks... you can drop logical volumes.

so the individual disk filesystems were going read-only

Iain

12:40

@ewwhite which tyres do you use ?

gWaldo

I'm still having trouble with the whole 16 individual raid-0 volumes thing

ewwhite

@Iain Very expensive Veloflex Carbon tubulars

And now...

sd 0:2:10:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x06000000
end_request: I/O error, dev sdk, sector 0
Buffer I/O error on device sdk, logical block 0
lost page write due to I/O error on sdk
sd 0:2:6:0: timing out command, waited 360s
sd 0:2:6:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x06000000
end_request: I/O error, dev sdg, sector 0

# df
-bash: /bin/df: Input/output error

tombull89

Nathan C

@ewwhite you broke it! :P

ewwhite

Root filesystem went read-only

but that's due to...

Linux LOLWUT 2.6.18-274.el5 #1 SMP Fri Jul 22 04:43:29 EDT 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

whenever you see a Red Hat kernel whose version is that short, you're in for trouble

Cole

12:49

Iced coffee after eating Frosted Mini Wheats = not once.

Basil

morning

Jenny D

morning basil

I think we should recruit the author at thatbadadvice.tumblr.com to serverfault. It would be far more likely to keep the professionals around.

Basil

There's sediment in all the water in my city :(

My coffee tastes terrible

Nathan C

-1

Q: How to get a domain like this " udp://mysite.com:80 or tcp://mysite.com:80 " for my UDP Server ?

I want to know how to get a domain like this udp://mysite.com:80 or tcp://mysite.com:80 and also I have created a UDP and TCP server for a Chat program and I need to host it on line. I have created my UDP and TCP server on a console application, Please tell me how can I host this on line ?, I...

networking domain tcp udp

I should probably stop reading SF for a while before my eyes start bleeding.

Travis

@NathanC Too localized?

Jenny D

13:02

@Travis how could they have "created a UDP and TCP server" without having the slightest clue about how the internet works?

Travis

@JennyD Beats me. Thought it was new tech I didn't know about :)

Cold T

@NathanC udp site? seriously :|

gWaldo

Just explained (again) why a stress-test environment should be on the same setup (design, hardware, OS, etc.) as Production to our Biz-Dev guy.

MIND. BLOWN.

Travis

@JennyD I fell out on this one... ` While my older brother, dad, and myself have fairly similar, if modest, endowments, my younger brother’s male parts were noticeably different (and “better”) than ours in almost every way possible: size, shape, even complexion (!). It was like seeing a great white whale breaching alongside dolphins`

@gWaldo I don't see the big deal. If it works on a HP DL380 it should work fine on a Dell PowerEdge 2960 :)

Cold T

@gWaldo i think most people would prefer to jump over the window then explain!

Jenny D

13:07

@Travis You have to admire the language skills, if not the subject...

Travis

@JennyD Yep!

Jenny D

@gWaldo Apparently that is a terribly difficult concept.

gWaldo

@JennyD Apparently it just too me saying it (the same way) just one more time.

Chris S

@Travis Even horse shoes and hand grenades have limits to "close enough". Stress-testing, or any QA should apply the same reasoning.

Tom O'Connor

I just found an item in the Close queue that has one vote for each category o.O

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RobM

13:11

that bad advice site is awesome

tombull89

because nothing says "I love you" like a pair of dentures.

Nathan C

@ColdT Yeah, I was like..."wut"?

gWaldo

@tombull89 I love that it's tagged "networking"

Tom O'Connor

@ColdT The thing about that question is... with a SRV record, it's possible to do what they want.

But I don't want to explain it, really.

Cold T

@TomO'Connor confused?

Chris S

13:15

@RobM I just read most of the first one and can't make heads or tails of why it would be "awesome"...

Tom O'Connor

@ColdT No, i just CBA to explain it to a driveby.

and I've got a shitload of network arch to do today.

Travis

@ChrisS I know. I was being sarcastic. My old job had a disaster recovery site set up. We upgraded our production SAN's hard drives to somewhere around 30 TB. We were virtualized by then and were running smoothly...then someone wanted to do a failover. 30 TB doesn't fit well on 15 TB... No one upgraded the 2nd site. Also SAN replication was broke

Cold T

@TomO'Connor i got shitload of migration work & testing to do, but cba for the last 2 days!

Tom O'Connor

@Travis What's that a quote from? My guess is Pauska's memoirs

Chris S

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Travis

13:18

@TomO'Connor JennyD "I think we should recruit the author at thatbadadvice.tumblr.com to serverfault. It would be far more likely to keep the professionals around."

Jenny D

@Travis I enjoy reading smug and sarcastic answers to stupid questions. Why else would I be here?

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tombull89

You know you've got a problem with someone when the first thing you think when you get a facebook message from them is "what the f**k do you want?"

Travis

@JennyD I have a couple of shirts.. "I'm right 97% of the time. Who cares about the other 4%" and "Sarcasm is another one of my qualities"

Jenny D

@Travis Ooh, I want one of that first one!

Travis

@tombull89 When I get one from my Mom I think to myself, "what is she going to complain about now?

@JennyD I had someone try to argue the shirt! They said you know that it doesn't add up right?

Jenny D

13:21

@Travis facepalm

Travis

@JennyD It was more like :O

: (____)

Jenny D

@Travis "Oh, right you are! So this t-shirt is part of those other five percent, then."

Travis

lol

tombull89

@Travis It's from a girl I knew from a few years back. She's apparently newly-single but I'm NOPE'ing right out of there.

Travis

lol

Chris S

13:24

Someone from the UK (or thereabouts): What do you call the meal around noon? What about 5-6pm?

MDMarra

Gentlemen, gentlemen

pauska

noon is supper I think?

tombull89

@ChrisS Noon, I'd call lunch or dinner. Evening meal is tea.

Travis

Need one of these too: rlv.zcache.com/isapi/…

gWaldo

@MDMarra And a non-zero unsigned integer of ladies...

ewwhite

13:26

@gWaldo Sorry about the experience with J.

MDMarra

@gWaldo Of course. How could I forget? Gentlemen, gentlemen, and @JennyD

ewwhite

any follow up?

gWaldo

@ewwhite What about J?

ewwhite

I don't think he followed up.

Chris S

Everyone heard about the Minnesota Gas Station scam?? now.msn.com/…

gWaldo

13:27

@ewwhite Nope, not a word.

Jenny D

@MDMarra bows

Travis

@ChrisS Holy hell!

ewwhite

@gWaldo I'm embarrassed.

gWaldo

@ewwhite Going to email

MDMarra

@ewwhite always

ewwhite

13:28

@gWaldo I'll do something.

tombull89

@ChrisS Impressive.

TheCleaner

My next question has to be posted here or I'll get downvoted/closed.

**HOW** do you stay focused on projects and routine work when things like SF keep singing that siren song?

I'm actually pissed at myself that I have 3 things to do and I'm posting here...it's like an addiction.

Travis

Listening to "Bitches love me" in the workplace would get you fired at any other company :)

gWaldo

@TheCleaner I remind myself of my misanthropy, and that it includes other misanthropes...

Travis

@TheCleaner I have a firewall I need to set rules on...and haven't....I know the feeling

MDMarra

13:32

I'm getting all of the SF in that I can

Jenny D

I finally got that new network spec from the notwork people, so I should probably start configuring the servers.

MDMarra

My calendar is booked through August 1 starting next week

Travis

@JennyD I kept thinking notwork was an autocorrect...until now

tombull89

Distracted? Pfft, I don't get distra-ooh, squirrel!

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Jenny D

@Travis More like force of habit...

ewwhite

13:34

who's good enough to fix this?

Cold T

@ewwhite haha wtf

Nathan C

Stop breaking things!! :P

ewwhite

I wake up and see this streaming on a console.

it's a joke

Cold T

@ewwhite using megaraid?

ewwhite

yes

Cold T

13:36

funny, i had a disk failure this morning on megaraid

Travis

I had a classmate in college that told me DOS was an antiquated language and would be unusable in a few years (back in 2004). He recently recanted his statement on Facebook and an apology to me for disagreeing

Cold T

@Travis this is the key reason why you should never curse anyone with the lack of knowledge. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes and if they cursed you, they will come back and apologise

TheCleaner

@Travis I keep trying to force myself to only open PS prompts. It would be a lot simpler though if EVERY dos command was allowed in a PS session.

Travis

@TheCleaner Yep. I've dabbled in PS and I realize the power but sometimes it is hard to give up the ease of DOS and batch files.

@ColdT I kept right on prodding along with my batch files. I don't think PS was even out then or if it was it was in the infant stage

Chris S

Making tea... lost my grip on the infuser thing... now my whole desk gets to enjoy the smell of tea until I find a vacuum.

Basil

13:40

I've never used powershell, but I can't see wanting to if it doesn't have all the same things as the command prompt

Travis

@Basil A lot more powerful than command prompt in many aspects. Also some things are just plain easier

Basil

@Travis I'm lucky- everything I do is in unix

Travis

@Basil Makes a difference. Unfortunately for me I'm a "* admin"

MDMarra

@Basil it's great

that's why VMware built their scripting environment on it :)

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Cole

I have a total Powershell boner

MDMarra

13:45

@Travis Do you iterate through sets of data in batch? As soon as you replace that FOR /F blah blah bullshit with ForEach-Object for the first time a whole new world opens up in front of you.

Travis

@MDMarra Yep. Use it for a printer PS script I use

MDMarra

@Basil Also, you can call any normal commandline command in PS

TheCleaner

@Basil - there are ways around it with the invoke-command. PS is great when you realize there are cmdlets that will do just about anything and a one liner can do what a larger vbscript would have. That said, I'm not a programmer so some C# guy might say different.

Basil

I'm reading up on it now

TheCleaner

And at this point it's required for me to be able to admin our Office 365 or Azure stuff properly.

MDMarra

13:47

So if you have something already built around icacls.exe or something, you can suck in the data and iterate over it using foreach-object and use the PS pipeline but still call icacls to set the permissions if you don't want to learn get-acl and set-acl (which are bitches, to be honest)

Cole

bitches!

Just got Solarwinds Log and Event Manager up and running.

No more having to use the AD account lockout tools.

Thank Jesus

RobM

@thecleaner I find that a bit of distraction now and again, if you can keep a lid on it and get back to work afterwards helps me get more done. Better to be 100% productive 80% of the time than 80% productive all of the time. Or something.

Cole

Now we can hand this off to the help desk.

RobM

@MDMarra while PS is powerful for sure, some applets... like those ones... convince me that whoever designed most of PS just doesn't like sysadmins very much.

MDMarra

@Cole what lockout tool were you using before?

Cole

13:50

@MDMarra the MS AD tools

Lockout Status and the Event Comb

MDMarra

@RobM To be fair, you can do anything with set-acl and get-acl. More than you can with icacls and other tools. It sort of rolls all of the ACL tools into one

Cole

But since our event logs fill up quickly - there's usually only 1.5 days of logs.

MDMarra

but yeah, it's super cumbersome

especially the first time

Cole

So we have to wait till it happens again since we didn't have historical data

RobM

@MDMarra absolutely. I'm not disputing their usefulness. Just their user-friendliness.

Cole

13:51

this is so much easier

MDMarra

@RobM yeah, the syntax is trash

Although I haven't looked at it in PS 3.0. Maybe it got friendlier. @RyanRies would know

He's a freak like that

RobM

Even the whole environment - hey lets kinda have things like pipes, sorta like *nix except slightly different. Except for where we're gonna do something even more slightly different just in case people ever start getting used to how we're working this.

MDMarra

What do you mean? What's wrong with pipelining in PS?

Travis

@RobM I'm sure the point was to be similiar but different.

TheCleaner

@Cole - AcctInfo.dll is useful though. Having that extra tab in ADUC helps. Although the ADAC now shows pretty much the same thing...even though nobody uses ADAC

MikeyB

13:55

@MDMarra Postscript doesn't support pipelining

pauska

I need scripts to automatically backup a database from one sql server and restore it to another every night. Plz give me teh codez.

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Cole

@TheCleaner I want to be able to see the destination IP of the lockout. We have 5500+ users, so the AD tools are cumbersome and having to do it manually every time is slow and painful.

Now it just emails the Sys Admin group with the User Account/Where the lockout is coming from.

Automation - FUCK YEAH.

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RobM

again nothing wrong with it - but I'm sure i've seen a few different products work with it differently

Cole

I will be here for 6 months on June 4th. I've already automated the fuck out of a lot of things.

That's why when I said to buy the Solarwinds LEM ($4500) they said "ok"

NO ONE QUESTIONS ME.

MikeyB

@pauska pastie.org/private/puodrfmx6emhxglfsnksg ← what I use on Discourse :)

Tom O'Connor

13:59

Why can you not buy standalone VPN concentrators any more?!

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