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20:05
@DennisKaarsemaker But for 5.20 or 5.18.4 they'll come up with an even more clever scheme that will take years for somebody to figure out how to make behave pathologically?
@freiheit that's already in place now for 5.17.3
or is it 4, not sure
mostly randomization though
Why the facepalm?
because Perl?
Hmm, actually, it looks like the things beyond randomization are still smoking, so they're not in blead yet
20:10
@DennisKaarsemaker "But for [some version in the next couple years] they'll switch from a good solution to a clever solution that takes years to find the problem with." "That's already in place now for [release from a few months ago]" "facepalm because goddamnit they solved this crap a decade ago and like to break it again every few years"
So, figured out why my application was crashing. One of the main components was not running as the configured user, permissions trip, fail... Well, where do I specify the user? Command line option? Nope. Configuration file? Nope. Ok... Time to go digging through the source code.
@freiheit the fix from a decade ago was good then. It's not good enough anymore.
@ChrisS hard-coded?
Found a custom function to change the user and group at the same time... libmail_changecreds(.....). So where's libmail.... No libmail. Time to grep through every header looking for the function prototype.
Though admittedly, I don't quite remember all the details about why it's not good enough anymore. It's been a while since I talked to the relevant perl dev about it.
20:12
No function prototype in the header files.... Well that would make it a hard function to call.
Grep through all the files, hope to find something.... Find plenty of crap, and the function! Yeah. They include a .c file that's written to be pulled in like a header....
And the UID/GID it's setting, hard coded. Not even configurable via the ./configure script
This crap makes me think the unibomber must have snapped putting up with developers like this.
Also, gmake(GNU Make) to compile, but make (BSD Make) to install binaries and configuration (separate)
So I thought Veeam FastSCP moved VMs server to server
AGGGHHH!
I don't like LinkedIn.
Found where the UID/GID gets passed in from the configure script. They named it differently in the config script. I don't know why I thought they'd keep that consistent.
@mossy Meh, it has it's place. I like to keep my family and professional social networks completely separate.
@ChrisS Yeah I agree.
But this is the first time I've actually spent time trying to update my profile.
20:24
Oh; usability issues?
And it's frustrating.
I think they do that on purpose
The best part is the contact suggestion feature.
Things in common: Lives on Earth - Suggest contact
/endrant
Pro of LinkedIn: if you have a good LinkedIn profile (think resume) with recommendations and plenty of good connections, you'll sometimes find out about jobs at a friend of a friend's company and get contacted by recruiters for interesting jobs
Con of LinkedIn: you'll get contacted by recruiters
recruiters can be interesting
20:31
I've taken to, instead of simply ignoring those recruiters, replying with a very brief version of why I'm not interested: "No thanks. Not interested in anything South of SF, and not interested in Java or Tomcat."
For me it's always "No thanks, not interested in moving to another country"
It's a sort of experiment to see if maybe that will lead to them not emailing me about jobs that involve 2 of the top 10 worst commutes in the US or about technologies I actively despise.
And once: "No thanks, not interested in working for a dying company" :)
@DennisKaarsemaker Yeah, that was the Classmates position. I just don't see where they're going to get their marketshare back from FB.
Not to mention that it took them nearly a month to call me back to schedule an interview with them, which means they probably had a top choices picked out and they didn't find enough to fill their interview schedule.
-.-
20:34
For me it was a company that was bleeding good engineers. I knew that, 'cause I interviewed quite a few of them for positions at my current company and they all told me horror stories :)
Hey, I got your recommendation request and I'm more than happy to do that- but if you want me to post it, you'll have to write it unless you want it to say:

"I don't know, dude. He fixes my computer when shit breaks."

:)
I quit.
Going back to myspace
@Adrian almost a whole month? more likely they interviewed, offered and were refused by all their first batch of interviewees
@freiheit Maybe. They were quite disorganized too and several people involved were supposedly on lengthy vacation around Thanksgiving.
If they hadn't been so annoyingly clueless I might not have taken this job when it was offered a week later.
@mossy "Mossy is amazingly awesome. He's easy to work with, friendly and personable when helping and great at fixing any computer problems that arise." (your friend/colleague/whatever gave you an opportunity to get the recommendation you want. :)
Why can't I work with people like you
20:39
@mossy What I wrote means the same as "I don't know dude. He fixes my computer when shit breaks.", but it's translated into bullshitese. :)
@mossy You're working in the wrong place?
@Adrian Yes.
@mossy Yeah, that's pretty much my take. I used to work in a shitty place. I don't anymore and it rocks.
Dan
Dan
@freiheit I had an e-mail this morning - it's start with "Hi Dan, I don't know if you're looking for a bit of a change..." then goes on to offer me a job that I have no skills in and ends with a salary maximum of at least 10k below what I'd even think about applying for
@mossy you can work with me if you're good enough and want to move to seatlle/cambridge (uk)/amsterdam
20:39
@mossy I hear rumors my department will be trying to hire a programmer soon... It's shitty wages in the public sector in a high cost of living area, but it's a beautiful area to live. :)
@freiheit SOunds like my last employer. There's a reason they haven't even bothered trying to replace me.
@DennisKaarsemaker Just bought my plane ticket.
@mossy Seattle is a great town if you can deal with darkness and incessant drizzle for 9 months and then tolerate living in a desert the other 3.
The nightlife here is decent too if you know how to find it.
Dan
Dan
@Adrian Sounds like most of the UK, minus the desert bit :D
@Dan Yeah, climate's very similar.
I have quite a few friends that hop between jobs in the UK and BC.
20:46
I might go to seattle for a few weeks
Dan
Dan
Just came to upload my photos from Las Vegas to Flickr - it seems I took >10GB of photos. Whoops
depends on whether the mrs. agrees with that. She's thinking about it
If'n you don't mind getting wet when you're riding, The Pacific Northwest is an awesome place to be a motorcyclist. Lots of curvy roads everywhere you go.
good evening @Chopper3!
@Adrian I live in Michigan. Grass one day.. wake up and there's 3 feet of snow on your car.
@mossy no snow here. at least not on a regular basis.
21:25
35 more minutes.
@Adrian until
@Jacob Until I get to go back to the hotel and soak up 96F water until my skin's as wrinkled as a raisin.
Ah
When you need to move VMs between ESXi nodes, having 300/150 fiber at your house really does help.
@Jacob - are you vMotion'ing from home to somewhere else?
@EEAA No, I'm moving VMs from one node to another in two different DCs. I exported as a OVF and am reimporting on the new server
21:37
hello peeps
howdy @LucasKauffman
hows everyone doing today?
@Jacob Got it. Bummer that you have to round-trip that through your house. I always try to set things up such that I never need more than 128kb/50ms to do my work. :)
@LucasKauffman Pretty damn good actually, got my results for the Red Hat exam I took on friday.
How have you been?
@KennyRasschaert well it's been a bit volatile at work, but I'm doing good :) How are you?
oooh nice
RHEL certificate :D
21:48
yups
They promised the results within 3 working days. Didn't expect it on Saturday.
also, define volatile :D
@RobM Yeah... Thanks for being a monstrous thorn in my side Java
later gents. The hotel hot tub is calling to me.
@Adrian Get plenty drunk.
 
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23:13
Where is everyone?!
Right here!
that's one!
Evenin all
@MDMarra drinking
@Adrian You're alive!
I just woke up
Katie and I did wedding planning stuff this afternoon and then went and got BBQ with her parents and a couple of friends.
I just took a nap from like 3:30 until now
23:18
Nice!
Living the dream
Soaking up gin and tonic in the hotel bar
good stuff
Damn good edamame here
where is "here"
Back in Florida?
23:20
Yeah. Orlando until next Friday.
Only 1 child in the bar, and she's quiet. Thankfully.
haha
No way in hell am I going to the buffet.
always a zoo
My lady's planning a wedding up in the mountains in Idaho next year. Should be interesting. Weather ranging from blizzards to 90f heat waves there in late summer
ha yeah man. is it indoors?
The weather is nuts everywhere. We just got snow in Philly yesterday.
23:35
@Adrian My cousin's wedding was in Sun Valley, Idaho. Summertime. Weather was nice the whole time I was there.
I think I'm going to try this Google+ thing again
I just set mine back up
Mostly to follow Linus
damn it. i found my ex girlfriend instantly.
23:51
@mossy don't follow her
she's following me
i figured it out
What are you guys up to?
Watching The Americans
It's weird
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