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14:00
@KennyRasschaert I think people should plan better.
when with vmware, you can hot-add a VMDK, it seems to take care of that
our customers don't like paying for storage they'll only need 2 years from now
'morning
sup @MDMarra
I wish I could just work from home.
@ewwhite Why?
14:06
@MDMarra I'm not a fan of LVM for Linux systems.
Growth is moot with proper planning, but doesn't it add fs level snapshots and stuff?
I don't think anyone uses LVM snapshots
Hiss!!!
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A: LVM dangers and caveats

RichVelSummary Risks of using LVM: Vulnerable to write caching in kernel and hard drive/SSD on kernels before 2.6.33, or in VM guests Harder to recover data due to more complex on-disk structures Harder to resize filesystems correctly Snapshots are hard to use, slow and buggy Requires some skill to c...

@jscott what a nice apology letter
@RobM That's why we put it on display. Even if it is insincere, they still had to go through the motions.
apology letter?
14:16
@ewwhite Meh. I'm keeping my LVM, thank you very much. A lot of those "risks" still exist even without LVM, and some others are just overstated.
@MichaelHampton You know, i came from a performance-focused approach to systems builds... with hardware that allowed logical disk resizing.
morning
so maybe I was spoiled..
But it stills seems silly adding LVM when I need to have these specific partitions in place
and I'm running on VMware
@ewwhite Yeah, when you have hardware that performs the same function, LVM is mostly redundant.
@Basil sup!
I'm like the unofficial Comms Room greeter
14:18
Is LVM common when used in conjunction with a SAN @basil ?
Clearly :)
This place does see more freaks than Walmart.
@ewwhite On AIX it is
we use it for host-based migration
I think our helpdesk team deserve more respect:

"Sir, sir, I didn't save my work, what do I do"
-- "do it again, if you never saved it then it's gone"
*blank look from student*
14:19
@RobM Yep. That's why we call it the helldesk.
@Cole Dunno, my local Asda on a sunday morning is like the zombie apocalypse, load of people shuffling around in no particular direction.
yup
@MichaelHampton I suspect our students are finding it to be the "No help at all desk" today.
@ewwhite Just in the last week I did find LVM useful in one of my VMware workstation guests. Though that's more a limitation of workstation...
I'm just old and set in my ways.
Dan
Dan
@Cole When you come over here I'll take you to Asda in Tipton. You'll never feel bad about home again
14:22
@Dan hahaha
Dan
Dan
@Cole I won't, really, some things tourists just shouldn't see
@tombull89 Thank fuck for home delivery shopping; that's all I can say. Saturday supermarkets are pretty dehumanising experiences.
hahaha
No one deserves tipton Asda
@KennyRasschaert Trying this...
Dan
Dan
@RobM You're not wrong
14:28
I fucking hate VMware 5.1 SSO
@MichaelHampton Do I need descriptive names in my LVM partition names?
@ewwhite Not if your documentation is really good.
I'd make them descriptive anyway.
part /var --vgname=vg00 --size=6144 --name=var --fstype=ext4
part /var/log --vgname=vg00 --size=6144 --name=log --fstype=ext4
part /var/log/audit --vgname=vg00 --size=1024 --name=audit --fstype=ext4
how should that be modified?
--name=vg0-var ?
That would just be redundant. Maybe --name=var-log-audit
like some areas of bedfordshire, that would actually go up in value if they were carpet bombed by B52s
14:33
Actually I think you have to use underscores.
For directories like that I tend to use the full name sans slashes. If you put hyphens in the names then weird things can happen, like the devices actually having two hyphens.
This is terrrible
So I've always used names like 'var', 'varlog', 'varlogaudit'
I think varlogaudit is the most nested one I've done, so it hasn't worked out to be terrible.
And I hope those partitions are big enough.
1GB should be more than big enough for varlogaudit unless you're putting a fuckload of rules in there.
14:35
@MichaelHampton that's what she said
I also have to add a 50GB /opt to the VM. That should be a separate VMDK. Any reason to make that LVM as well?
Or you expect SELinux errors every few miliseconds.
@ScottPack I have 94 lines of rules.
How many of them are file watches?
not even sure... I copied/pasted
16 lines of file
14:38
So the system call alerts will only fire, assuming you used 'always,exit' when the system call exits, and only trigger one line worth of alert.
@ewwhite OK, so I have VMware Workstation here. It stores .vmdk files as flat files on the host filesystem. Last week one of my guests ran out of disk space. So I added another .vmdk, then in the guest used LVM to extend the logical volume onto the second virtual disk. Then just resize2fs and voila!
@ewwhite File watches typically have a 'wa' as the permissions bits, which result in something like 5 lines per entry.
@ewwhite You'll also get hits on user logins, ssh crypto builds, selinux denies, etc.
@ewwhite Still, 1GB is a fuckload of space for auditd.
# File changes
-a always,exit -F arch=b64 -S chmod -S fchmod -S fchmodat -F auid>=500 -F auid!=4294967295 -k perm_mod
-a always,exit -F arch=b32 -S chmod -S fchmod -S fchmodat -F auid>=500 -F auid!=4294967295 -k perm_mod
-a always,exit -F arch=b64 -S chown -S fchown -S fchownat -S lchown -F auid>=500 -F auid!=4294967295 -k perm_mod
-a always,exit -F arch=b32 -S chown -S fchown -S fchownat -S lchown -F auid>=500 -F auid!=4294967295 -k perm_mod
-a always,exit -F arch=b64 -S setxattr -S lsetxattr -S fsetxattr -S removexattr -S lremovexattr -S fremovexattr -F auid>=500 -F auid!=4294967295 -k pe
@ewwhite How much free space are you leaving on the PV?
20GB
14:39
@ewwhite You pulled that straight out of the CIS guide didn't you?
@ScottPack that's what I'm forced to do for this client
I had to fix their damn typos...
Oh, that's the one that wanted that security guide implemented, whether it made sense or not?
and who puts "Smart Quotes" in a Linux guide!?!?
@ewwhite HIPAA/HI-TECH will do that. The easiest way to start your technical compliance is to pick a published standard and comply to it.
I'm all HIPAA now... I guess.
So I'm running the project... hardware, Linux, VMWare and all.
and it's stressful
14:41
@ewwhite Not to tell you to argue with the client, but you can deviate from the standards where it makes sense, you just have to document it.
Oh, I did... this was a play to get better partitioning in place and build the servers closer to how I like them
@ewwhite Honestly, documentation is the biggest part of it in this case.
@ewwhite What's your retention for the logs?
@ScottPack I bumped them up for audit...
maybe 100mb roll.
@ewwhite do you ever look at glassdoor or anything like that for info on a place you're interviewing at?
@MDMarra Yes. I recommend it. I avoided wasting time on a few interviews as a result.
14:43
@ewwhite In any event, 1GB should be enough. Having the 20GB free on the pv will also let you trivially double if if necessary.
"They poke you with sharp sticks every day at 3pm"
@ewwhite On one hand I can see these things being helpful, but on the other hand, satisfied people don't usually track down an outlet to vocalize their happiness like dissatisfied people do
Or like, um.. SpaceX... I had an interview, but the Glassdoor reviews were SOOOO bad.
@ewwhite Funny you should be stabbing your eyes out with auditd. I just got my introductory blog post on it written up last night. Should be scheduled soon.
Just reading the reviews on the 3par place and it's worrisome to say the least
BUT DUDE SPACEX
Fuck I want to go to space
14:44
auditd is easy... trying to build a server at my company, not so much.
I literally built it in my vSphere cluster and copied it to work because the process was so rough.
The deployment process, you mean?
@ScottPack yep.
The upper IT management (CIO) does not connect with the infrastructure department staff to glean the facts. If they did, they could make rational decisions on what solutions would best meet the demands of both customers and the end user base. Instead they listen to salesmen and people who don't know what is going on.

The budget is small and when money is spent, it is never spent on what is actually needed until situations are critical. The disasters and complications that could be prevented, are ignored.
It's rough...
14:46
^ yuck
@ewwhite Oh yeah, you're all corporate now, this isn't just some random client, right?
@ScottPack No, this is a random client... a big one... But we're starting to emerge as the preferred HIPAA hosting company
inertia...
@ewwhite Which company?
No comment
:( Understood.
14:49
between pr0n, weed and Katy Perry.
@KennyRasschaert HISS!!
For my role here I'm less interested in customers using our service or an outside service, and more interested in making sure that they are doing right by the data and policy. So, to be fair, I was more asking so I had the name of a hosting provider that was, supposedly, HIPAA/HI-TECH compliant.
@MichaelHampton Can you fix the above?
@ScottPack I gave you the hint :) pr0n, katy perry and weeeeed.
@ewwhite You need logvol
Where?
'part' is for setting up partitions on disk. 'logvol' is for setting up logical volumes.
14:51
part /boot --fstype ext4 --size=300 --ondisk=sda
part pv.01 --asprimary --size=1 --grow
volgroup vg00 pv.01
part /usr --vgname=vg00 --size=10240 --name=usr --fstype=ext4
part / --vgname=vg00 --size=12288 --name=root --fstype=ext4
part /var --vgname=vg00 --size=6144 --name=var --fstype=ext4
part /var/log --vgname=vg00 --size=6144 --name=varlog --fstype=ext4
part /var/log/audit --vgname=vg00 --size=1024 --name=varlogaudit --fstype=ext4
logvol swap --vgname=vg00 --size=8192 --name=swap --fstype swap
oh, the entries under volgroup
vgname makes no sense for a partition.
So, yeah, /boot and pv.01 should be part, but every other part should be changed to logvol.
@Basil posted up there ^^ but absolutely brilliant.
page stil 404's
Same here. I got a DB error earlier.
@tombull89 Oh, didn't realize :)
No DHCP makes my kickstart fun no-so-fun.
14:53
Still, I had a good lol
@ewwhite You handrolling this kickstart or are you using cobbler?
I can head the Super Mario Brothers theme right now... must be the lawyer in the office.
Do any of you Windows guys know why the hell PowerShell doesn't import system modules by default? Is it part of some effort to make PowerShell useless or a pain in the ass to use, or something?
@ScottPack google cache still works webcache.googleusercontent.com/…
@ScottPack by hand, using a kickstart and a netboot image... because my company doesn't have a real internal repo.
14:54
@ewwhite besides glassdoor, what else is good to look at?
@HopelessN00b So it starts faster.
and the deployment process is like Cobbler... but without the nice stuff.
@ewwhite That blows. You should probably look into setting up satellite.
@MDMarra LinkedIn... see who be workin' there.
@ewwhite And actually contact them or just creep them?
14:55
@ScottPack I know... They don't do updates...
@ChrisS Alright... but can you actually do anything useful in PS without those modules imported?
@MDMarra creep...
figured
@ewwhite ....wut...?
@HopelessN00b You can do a bunch of basic stuff... But not much really. You can change what gets loaded at start-up.
14:56
@ScottPack We do... but the element of the provisioning process I saw seem to blacklist the kernel... leaving situations where you'll have RHEL 5.8 running a 5.5 kernel
:7698838 part /boot --fstype=ext4 --size=500
part pv.008002 --grow --size=1

volgroup vg_00 --pesize=4096 pv.008002
logvol / --fstype=ext4 --name=lv_root --vgname=vg_00 --grow --size=1024 --percent=100
logvol swap --name=lv_swap --vgname=vg_00 --grow --size=2016 --maxsize=2016
I've been on a slightly older PC that loaded several modules by default. Took 20seconds to open every PS console.
so for the CIS, I needed to build from a clean source.
@ewwhite If you were a few hundred miles to the south and east I would take you out for a drink tonight.
@ChrisS Well alright, I guess that makes sense, then.
14:58
@Chopper3: Around by chance?
Mind you, I'm dealing with this... On a VPN from a Mac with RDP to a VM running Firefox connected to vCloud Director in a Java console.
@HopelessN00b what system modules?
loooooooooooooogvol
@KyleBrandt kinda, sorta
@MDMarra The ones loaded by the "import system modules" option. :)
14:59
oh fair enough
well, since there are native ps logon script and whatnot, i'd imagine super-lean load times were a priority
@ewwhite I can mildly relate. In order to test a PGP Universal upgrade I've got a virtual box instance so I can run vSphere so I can console into a Windows 7 system.
@HopelessN00b Cheap work around: Append this to the PS shortcut: -command "Get-Module -ListAvailable | Where-Object {$_.Path -like "$PSHOME*"} |Import-Module"
But as @ChrisS says. be prepared for an irritatingly long wait.
FUCK YES
SSO IS WORKING
and don't put it in GPO or startup scripts unless you want your users to hate you :)
@KyleBrandt could I help with something?
15:02
@Chopper3: We have run into a network problem getting VMWare up with teamed NICs on our new Nexus 5/2k setup. The Nexus switches are in vPC (Each Fex is single homed to a Nexus, with with two nexus head connected to each other). With VMWare, the management network seems to die (but can still be pinged). We tried virtualizetips.com/2011/03/… but it still seems to die after a while. This sound familiar in anyway?
@ScottPack It's installing!
@KyleBrandt oh mate, only had another dose of chemo the other day, my IQ is, seriously, about 75 right now, can barely get off the toilet sorry, can barely understand the question sorry :(
of course, my full postinstall won't work because it's RHEL...
need the key to update
Hey @KyleBrandt, as you're here, is there a SE-opinion on people offering help here? Say someone drops in asking for help setting up [y] and someone else looks up and says "here's my e-mail, here's my rates" is that okay? Something I was wondering about.
I've asked for a "consultants corner" here before.
15:05
@Chopper3 Oh sorry didn't hear about that :-/ Hope you get better!
@SmallClanger Yeah, it's not a problem, per se, I'm just doing some IIS//Exchange troubleshooting, and after trying forgetting to import the modules and being unable to run basic commands a few times, I was curious as to whether or not there was a reason for the default behavior.
@tombull89 I'm not aware of it, but honestly a bit more out of touch (Busy running server / team of SAs these days :-P ). My personal take would be I guess that is fine unless that is just what the person does all the time
Probably the scope matters to. So if it is pretty specific that is kind outside of the spirit of SF in my option. But if it is "How do I set up a Windows network for a medium office" then they probably need a consultant, or should be prepared for a journey :-P
I've had people on here ask me for help with implementing an answer, and I'm not even a consultant, just some guy. So there's interest there from people asking the questions too, I'd say
haha, okay. I might be better off asking the community team...
@ScottPack So you need hosting recommendations?
15:11
@tombull89 I know I've done that at some point, as has @MDMarra , when some guy's pushing hard on one of those do a major project/my job for me requests, and yet to see anyone bitch about it.
Oh my god....
@Cole Oh god, XDMCP. That brings back memories...
If I had hair to tear out... I would....
@ewwhite Not specifically, no. I like to have a couple of names or products in mind that I can mention. I can't really recommend specific products or vendors, but I can give names for them to investigate.
@HopelessN00b I think we've all said "You need to hire someone" to people who are clearly out of their depth or who want someone to do the job for them. I personally think its fine at that point to mention that you're prepared to be that someone if that's what you do. But none of us want this being a place where people go to tout for business right (not suggesting you, or any other reg, does)
15:15
@ewwhite Yah, it's starting to get annnnnnnnnnnnoying here too.
@ScottPack Logic... Works...
@ewwhite Wanna trade? Your console problems for my Exchange problems?
@HopelessN00b Easy. I like Exchange... doing three of them next week.
@MichaelHampton you have the same?
@MichaelHampton haha
@ewwhite Yes, in Workstation 9
15:17
posted on January 16, 2013 by Matt Simmons

The local LOPSA members who are trying to bootstrap a San Diego chapter have asked me to let you know that they are getting together on Thursday, January 24th at 6pm at Callahan's Pub and Brewery! You can join in the conversation on the mailing list, and there's already a MeetUp scheduled: Hang out, talk [...]

I like Exchange, I've never really had any of the problems with it that others seem to moan about
@MichaelHampton or xrdp
/shiver xrdp
I swear to god
if this guy tells me not break anything one more time
@RobM My biggest gripe by far is that Exchange is a sealed-box product... If anything isn't working right, you have to rely on the most cryptic and incomplete logs MS could manage to crap out. It's much less configurable than most e-mail packages (a double edged sword, usually problems with my home server are a config typo). And it's a F***ING MEMORY HOG. Only a few other MS products are worse.
when I'm the ONLY one fixing things - and I've only been here a month to his 15years.
I'm going to stab someone.
Exchange should have (and commonly actually uses) 100-200MB of RAM per user... Really? That's a craptonne of memory! My home server (which serves just as many users as my work Ex server) 33MB total.
15:25
I need a stress ball
@Cole No, you need a stun gun.
@ewwhite Sweet. In that case, let me shamelessly whore out the Exchange problem causing me grief.
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Q: Exchange 2010 - EMC and OWA non-functional after unexpected server reboot

HopelessN00bProblem: Can't connect to OWA or the Exchange Management Console/Shell on our Exchange 2010 server (Server 2008R2 VM). Background: We have an Exchange 2010 VM (ESXi 5.1) we're "in the process" of doing a mail migration to (from Exchange 2003). We're currently in a co-existence situation, and ...

Dan
Dan
Blockbuster gone now! Man, we're going to have no shops left at all
@MichaelHampton like it's ok if you're joking, and once in awhile. But EVERY TIME I do something, he says it. I'm about to be like "I HAVENT BROKEN ANYTHING YET. JUST FIXES ALL THE STUPID SHIT YOU GUYS FUCKED UP"
@Cole You should have done that already!
15:26
@Dan Do you guys have Redbox over there?
@MichaelHampton I just don't want to start an argument
About to move my cube
@r.tanner.f nah, we've got something called LoveFilm
Dan
Dan
@r.tanner.f Not to my knowledge
He always stands up and looks over at my screen like wtf gtfo
They post it to you and you back, there's no "middle bit"
Dan
Dan
15:27
@tombull89 Got Netflix too. A shit, crippled, crappy version of Netflix but nonetheless
Ooh, postal DVD, sorry
@tombull89 I have the £5/month stream only from them - works well
Between Netflix and Redbox, I don't miss my local Blockbuster one bit.
I've got Netflix for my scheduled entertainment and Redbox right around the corner for spur of the moment decisions.. Gotta lov'em
Redboxes everywhere
and if I'm lazy, torrents!
I know Blockbuster has been closing locations around the area for years. I have no idea if they're still around or gone, or when... don't care
I've had "discussions" with the MPAA before regarding torrent activities. I would advise against as much... YMMV.
15:30
Apparently there's one near me...I never knew that.
*was near me.
Dan
Dan
@ChrisS I've heard rumours that Usenet is okay
@ChrisS I said it mostly in jest, I don't really watch movies.
[The Simpsons](http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/03/14/blockbuster-now-a-punch-line-on-the-simpsons/) "Marge: “Time to finally return your father’s overdue movies.”

Lisa: “Is it really Ok to just drop them into the pit where the Blockbuster used to be?”

Marge: Got a better idea?"
@ChrisS It works much better when it's your neighbors doing the torrenting...
@Cole Also, making legal "backups" of DVDs (only the ones you own, of course) is silly easy these days..
@MichaelHampton I don't hate any of my neighbors enough to crack their WEP keys and do that...
15:33
@ChrisS so I've heard, I need to look into that. I always seem to.......lose my DVDs.
@Cole If you're on Windows and don't need anything real special, Handbrake is about as easy as it gets.
@ewwhite sorry, didn't have a box to try it out on
I use a variety of tools, mostly mencoder on FreeBSD however.
@ChrisS WPA2. Supposedly secure...
@ChrisS Handbrake eh? I have Windows at home for gaming really.
15:35
Handbrake is available on Linux too.
@ChrisS thank you sir
I'd really like to get a Synology NAS so I can just dump all my movies/TV shows to disk and stream them from where ever in my apartment
@MichaelHampton If you're running Linux and have a clue there's better options available... But yeah, it's there. I haven't used it so I'm not sure if it's identical to the Windows version.
Works great on linux.
Good to know!
15:37
@Cole I set up a Synology DS212j for my brother a week ago, really nice device
@KennyRasschaert so I've heard/researched
it's entry level but it's packed with features
@KennyRasschaert just media streaming for me really.
I suppose I could do it with my desktop + Xbox
it supports xlna
probably some other stuff too
my brother mainly needed the CIFS/NFS and cloud sync stuff (self-hosted dropbox clone)
didn't mess with media streaming (yet)
Another +1 for handbrake. Works a treat
15:40
The worst thing about Handbrake is that it doesn't do AC3 passthrough on Windows.
I use it on Mac and it's pretty fantastic.
What up Gents?
Hello Ladies
Chenbro's website has been hacked... And they apparently haven't noticed yet.
which page? looks fine to me
:7699674
@jeff-ferland not much. Been crrrazy busy
15:48
@NickM. Google has the "this site may be compromised" warning for it.
@NickM. Heh... just fixed it
@NickM. Google has the "this site may be compromised" warning for it.
@HopelessN00b didn't show uo for me
@NickM. Oh, there we go. Try /corporatesite/index.php
@HopelessN00b They just fixed that one too
I imagine the whole site will be clean in a moment if it isn't already.
It was redirecting to some fake check advance website. Which seems odd as people who would use such a service probably don't have good enough credit or money in their bank account to make it worth stealing their identity.
I hate forums so much... So many idiots. Trying to find out how many b-frames a RaspPi can decode. TONS of people saying it will decode a Level 4 x264 stream, so just lookup what bitrate that equates to...... OMFG, Level 4 isn't just a "bitrate", and neither have anything to do with b-frames. Where's the "reach through the computer and strangle people" button?!
15:58
God dammit, I'm writing a script to add/remove/etc from Infoblox - thing is so kludgy
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Q: How to simulate yourself as if you are located internally behind the trusted zone of a FW

AOSI work in security operational center engineer in one company. We manage a lot of customer FW, proxy,..etc. An example of our daily tickets could be the user can't access some site, so we check the customer proxy,... During our troubleshooting and as we already managing all devices, we have some...

@MichaelHampton dat comment
I read "simulate" as "stimulate"
haha before I even read that comment
The OP of this was in here earlier, but as he was US based none of us UK'ers could really help. Is there anything in the US for this?
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Q: Accused of accessing restricted files - Shortcut on network to personal folder?

DSAll, Any advice in this matter is much appreciated. I am currently being investigated at work for accessing files from my computer that I was not supposed to access. As I was browsing for a document that I could not find, I thought it might be in a certain folder. I double-clicked a shortcut and...

@MichaelHampton On a related note, how to simulate yourself as if you are located externally behind the trusted zone of a FW?
@tombull89 Nah, OP might be screwed, but like the top voted answer says, if he wasn't supposed to have access, his access should have been blocked. My guess is after he accessed it, some admin changed t he ACLs to what they should have been in the first place.
16:12
@HopelessN00b Yeah, that was my guess too. Someone ballsed up the permissions, he found his way where he shoudln't have done because of it and now he's taking the major fall.
Not much any of us can "do" about it... It's pretty obvious that IT/Boss screwed up, he knew that from the get-go, and he's getting blamed. We can offer some technical insight, but it still boils down to what he already knew.
There's no legal protection for him if that's what you're thinking... There's also nothing the company can do legal-wise.
That's pretty much what we said to him. "We agree it's fucked up, but that doesn't help you. Get legal advice, ask for independent investigation."
It wouldn't matter any two ways.. Either the company will have a sudden outbreak of common sense, he'll quit, or be fired, or nothing will come of it (most likely IMHO).
There's no need for legal advice, and an independent investigation would only reveal more of what everyone already knows (the boss or IT are incompetent or blaming the scapegoat).
@SmallClanger Not that an independent investigation will help. What are the odds they have the auditing logs needed to prove what he already knows?
I'm flabbergasted that they even have audit logs. I strongly suspect they're fabricating "evidence" or their "logs" aren't proper audit logs.
16:22
@ChrisS Surprised me, too.
"We have audit logs but don't understand ACLs. HALP!"
Well, the theory is that the audit logs are being selectively presented, meaning IT are covering their backs. if (a big if) someone in the company high up can take his side and if they agree to independent investigation it might at least find something that exonerates him or shows big lumps of missing audit trail.
"Yes, Audit Logs. No, not something we just typed out in word, no, see, it says OMG HAXXXXXXOR right here."
Pretty crappy position though.
But TBH if he has to put up that much of a fight, he'll be fucked as far as that company goes, even if he won.
Sometimes, occupying the moral high ground just makes you stand out as a target.
@SmallClanger To what end? Everyone knows what's going on... putting the truth in writing doesn't usually make liars very happy.
The States are At Will employment... We can fire someone because we don't like the color of the shirt they wore to work today.
16:27
Fair point. much harder to sack someone for no reason, here and I'm carrying too much of that cultural baggage around to see it from a US perspective.
So his best option is to just cut his losses and quit an environment that likely won't ever trust him again, regardless of the outcome?
Hard to say without knowing more about that situation... But it's certainly a possibility.
It doesn't matter. The guy's being screwed over, and his only option is to get a job somewhere else, sadly. He saves his hide, then what? Continues to work with/for the people who tried to fuck him to save themselves? That's gonna work out well...
Which could mean he'll get no references and have a much harder time finding a job. Although if he fights it and then quits, he'll have a reputation as an agitator instead; so he's screwed either way. Isn't the world lovely? :P
Dan
Dan
16:44
@SmallClanger No need for a reference if you weren't working there for the period ;)
rsyslog the best way to go for syslogging on CentOS?
rrr....roar?
@Cole syslog-ng if you can swing it
@voretaq7 free only :(
We don't even have a syslog server
well
they have an Open Source edition
@Cole syslog-ng is free unless you want support, just like everything else :)
@voretaq7 just saw that
derp
16:54
@Cole there's some stuff (encrypted storage) that you only get with the spendy version, but you probably don't NEED that (and if you do, spend the damn money fool!)
@voretaq7 no not at all lol
Just need some syslogging functionality
@Cole you know most systems come with syslogd, and it can be told to listen over UDP.. :-)
syslog-ng just sucks a whole lot less
@voretaq7 that's why I was asking
CentOS 6.3 comes with rsyslog by default
Didn't know if there was a better option
I like KiwiSyslog for simple stuff...
Which would be more appropriate, serverfault or superuser, to ask about how one might set up an Outlook/Exchange rule that would take incoming messages, parse the subject for an email address, and forward the message on to the embedded email address? Or if something like that were even possible?
16:59
I'm not a fan of rsyslog - I've heard too many horror stories
(someone in here was talking about how if it's operating in TCP/Reliable mode it shits itself when its queue of messages gets too big)
ugh

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