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Wah?
@Iain (Flagged the above before I realised there was an edit)
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A: smartctl not actually running self tests?

ewwhiteThis is a Dell Perc 5/i hardware array controller. Let it do its thing. If you don't have red or amber lights on the disks, why are you concerned with running your own S.M.A.R.T. tests? The array controller uses S.M.A.R.T. in addition to other features/test to determine drive health. Running you...

In response to @MichaelHampton I just saw that this morning
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Q: Software Developer

MadhuI have a situation where I need to send my user name to server where I can authenticate the user with the application and provide access. It is kind of SSO. Please let me know how if there is any secure way I can achieve this. Thanks a lot in Advance. Regards Madhu

wat did I just read
Why does no one read the FAQ?
What FAQ?
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We should force an FAQ clickthough before you can post
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14:15
@Dan no one will read it though lol
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@Cole 30 question test at the end :D
There's a freaking badge for reading the FaQ ffs.
Really? NASA set up a webpage for why the world won't end?
@ewwhite Yep, as tombull said, got it for around $150
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@Goatmale Good website, though. I like that's not fluffy - it's just straight up "Stop believing the bullshit"
14:24
@Dan @Goatmale you know what would be really funny? If some planet hit us on December 22nd instead.
Dan
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@PeterGrace Well, ironic, for sure!
"Whoops, forgot to carry the 1"
Y2k was a trip
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@Goatmale Y2K didn't have nearly enough plane crashes
@PeterGrace it's all new age twaddle anyway, the 21st is the end of the 13th Bak'tun and 13 had no relevance to the Myans - to Myan's the 20th Bak'tun would be significant.
14:28
It would be really funny if people stopped using fear to manipulate people.
I remeber being in school with the closest thing we had to an IT guy going round and putting "Y2K Compliant" stickers on the machines.
I don't feel like living today.
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@tombull89 Do you remember all that software that was distributed on every magazine CD for about 3 years that would "check" your computer for Y2K compliance
I would love to know what (if anything) it did
Installed porn dialers
14:31
@Dan not really, the only things I remember about 1999/2000 was a trip to the millenium dome and going over my dad's friends house to bash saucepan lids together when the clock rolled over.
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I had a 286 webserver at the time of the millenium tick-over, and even that coped.
Haha, I turned on my car alarm on NYE of 2000
@ewwhite How much sweet-talkin' do I gotta do to get you to send me some hp rails? :)
@Goatmale since @PeterGrace now has an old server to use, do you want one of mine?
I was 10 and a half. Bloody hell that was ages ago.
@tombull89 Jesus, you're young.
14:35
@PeterGrace I was 14-ish
@PeterGrace Second youngest regular, I think, Jacob's the youngest.
@PeterGrace get them off of eBay... Much easier. HP #359254-001 -
@tombull89 He's like, 15 or something.
@ewwhite 360322-003? I see this is wrong
@ewwhite Do you have a relatively small one? I just need something to backup my data to that will fit in my tiny apartment.
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14:37
@TomO'Connor Same
and not draw an extra 50 bucks in power every month.
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@Goatmale That's a bit personal
@ewwhite for 359254-001 do I need screws or is it meant to fit in a standard square-hole rack?
@ChrisS well I'll be damned, so that's why I can't remember anything.
you have a normal rack, right?
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14:40
@PeterGrace All HP Rails from the last 10 years fit in square-hole racks without screws or whatnot.
@ewwhite Dell 42U rack.
^^^ you have no idea how hard it was to get that in my basement.
It took me three hours to move it into location from the cellar stairs to the spot I'd set aside for it.
it was a lot of gimballing and pivoting
@PeterGrace As long as you aren't missing guide pins, you'll be fine :)
(I have 7 foot ceilings in the basement)
@ewwhite Mother fucker, the ebay listing mentioned nothing about those
@PeterGrace 600x1010 is standard, but I'm pretty sure the HP Rails can accommodate an extra 60mm.
@PeterGrace I'm kidding :) Yes, HP rails fit square-hole.
and they're adjustable...
14:43
Phew.
@ewwhite That one sounds like fun... Rails missing parts.
never got a full explanation from the OP on that one.
@ewwhite So do you have any relatively small devices that I could use to store a large amount of porn.
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@Goatmale out of curiosity, what's your full name, for the record? :P
It's mostly amateur stuff. If that matters.
Goat Mc Male, OBGYN.
14:47
hah
I still shudder to think about how much naughty stuff I've said in here has been indexed in Google.
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@PeterGrace We all do, Peter. We all do.
It would be cool to have a personal tape library of porn.
@Goatmale Until you want to skip to the moneyshot, and then it's tediously slow.
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I'd bet someone tried to install the rails in an audio-style rack (threaded holes); gave up; and lost the guide pins they had taken out.
8========D ~~~~$$$$$$
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14:51
posted on December 18, 2012 by Matt Simmons

LISA was pretty exceptionally late in the year this time, being only a couple of weeks before Christmas. The inevitable let-down of coming back to the "real world" where I've got to "work" and "do productive things" is always kind of a drag, but this year is a little different thanks to the proximity of [...]

I don't have any mints. I hope customers like coffee breath.
@Goatmale It's better than fishbreath.
Dan
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@ewwhite I'll leave this for you
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Q: vSwitch configuration with 12 uplinks

JoshuaI have been doing a lot of research on vSwitch configurations, but I think I am more confused now after all of the reading that I have done. So here is my situation 3 ESX Hosts (12 nics each), 1 iSCSI SAN, 2 Force 10 switches. Should I create individual vSwitches for MGMT, vMotion, VM, and SCSI...

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14:53
12 nics?
must be blade vnics
Why in hell's bells would you put 12 NICs in a server?
@TomO'Connor I'll bet he's got servers with 4 on-board, and 2x 4-Port NICs in each.
Dan
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@ChrisS Like Tom says, Blades come with a high amount but yeah, you don't need to use them all :D
@Dan What blades come with 12 NICs?
Are you kidding? If a blade comes with 12 nics, I am using all 12 nics.
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@ChrisS I don't know, but HP's Flex presents with 10
14:55
Who has 12 open ports on a switch?
I will bond those motherfuckin' nics together with duct tape if I have to
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@PeterGrace To what end, though, you're still constrained by your uplink
@Dan I thought that was 8, and only on full height blades.
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Don't get me wrong, if it makes sense it makes sense, but 12 is high
@ChrisS Flexconnect can
14:56
@Dan not if you're using a HP bladecenter with Flex10 or something. You could do 10gb uplinks.
It's probably a physical server with 4 ports on board and 2 quad port GigE cards
@TomO'Connor That's really not the same... Chopping a CNA port into multiple vNICs...
Then again, in a virtualconnect fabric the NICs are essentially virtual anyway, @ewwhite correct me if I'm wrong
2|4 for iSCSI, 2 for management, 2 for vMotion, 2 for data, 2 because fuck you.
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@PeterGrace Yeah, but if you're using active-active 10gbps that's a LOT
@ChrisS You're right, it's 8 ut it's on half height too
15:00
All right, I have some VPNs to wrangle so I'm going to step out
catch you guys later!
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Laters
maybe I'm behind... what is Wireless C?
@Dan Yeah, you're right. 8 for half height and 16 for full.
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Q: Mac computers cannot connect to router unlesswe re-start the modem and router

dwwilson66We have a small office network with DSL and a Netgear WNR-2000 wireless routern acting a DHCP server. There are nine devices connected to the router, wirelessly and wired. Whenever a Mac computer tries to connect, it's unsuccessful until we restart the router. Each of the possible devices that ca...

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@ChrisS 16 NICs :D
15:03
@Dan Yeah, well, that requires a full height blade with 3 mez cards.... I think half of the thought process there was putting FC and/or IB cards in the mez slots
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@ChrisS Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with flexibility. I'm sure somebody uses them
@BrentPabst 802.11c = Wireless Repeaters, Wireless Bridges, and similar devices
@ChrisS Good lord, I have never heard 802.11c referred to as Wireless C
@BrentPabst I certainly haven't either; but it seems to fit what he's talking about.
15:16
oooh, virtual connect @PeterGrace ?
@ewwhite Got anything small for me?
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That came out wrong.
Speaking of @ewwhite, he needs to get on his file server creation game :)
how many of you deal with blade systems?
I will be shortly
We have one.
15:20
OK, I haven't dealt with them at all...
on the newer models is the system able to abstract the individual blades out and present an overall "compute node" or do they still function, for the most part, as normal boxes?
God, the starwall paints quiet a picture of me.
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@BrentPabst Use and build HP day to day, but I'm no expert
@BrentPabst Oh, it's the latter. It's just density and the advantages of a common infrastructure basically
Each blade is just a normal server for most intents and purposes
@BrentPabst Not sure what you mean - they're "normal" servers.
@Dan Hmm, ok. I was kinda hoping or thinking it would be great if you could essentially team multiple blades at once to form a single node
sort of like pairing video cards together for High Performance video needs, etc.
especially with IB rolling out as more mainstream
I think you can make the switches redundant..?
But you're talking some plan 9 shit
15:25
Ah, I see, like "joining" two blades with two quad-cores and 32GB ram each to make a system with 4 quad-cores and 64GB visible to an OS?
Yea, basically
RAIDing the Server really ;)
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@BrentPabst Well, I suppose virtualisation does some of that. Not increasing power though
Not that I'm aware of.
I guess if you want that you buy a mainframe
Dunno, just thought that would be a cool concept
@BrentPabst There are significant technical reasons why the former is not yet possible... well, it's possible, but performance would be horrid, checkout the Mach Kernel from CMU for lots-o-info.
15:27
especially if the blades could provide fault-tolerance to others in the node
@ChrisS Cool, thanks for the source
Just hope it does't happen or we'll get questions about people running a multi-desktop-pc cluster...
@tombull89 If/when they solve those problems computing would take a turn for the "cloud" very quickly... There'd be no point in most end user devices having more than minimal processing or storage capability as they could quickly access resources from "provider" sources.
I know this is an old article but if you basically have OS agnostic hardware its pretty powerful for larger organizations...
There was an answer on Jeopardy last night that was something like "In the 1960s, these big computers were multi-user terminals. Now, they're called servers" and the answer was "Mainfamres"

I yelled BULLSHIT at my tv so loud that the woman came in to make sure I was ok
@MDMarra Jeopardy has a "factual complaints" department on account of getting so many facts 'a little wrong' like that.
15:32
@MDMarra I think of the mainframe as the hardware, and the actual virtual instances as the "servers"
@ChrisS I guess nothing more needed than an inbuilt 2GB SSD with a RemoteFX client installed - start the machine up, make sure the internet is connected, log onto a remote session, cloud desktop, job done.
It's an interesting idea.
I think the traditional Colo guys may be in trouble within 20 years
the space, power and cooling needs should decline significantly by then.
So @MDMarra do you need something?
@ewwhite No? Should I?
and @Goatmale you need a server. the one I have is not small. It's a 5U rackmount/tower
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15:36
@tombull89 No different to normal VDI
So maybe SU should just be called "The Support Desk"
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Biggest thinging holding Desktop As A Service back is Microsoft licensing
I believe it's still downright impossible to provide Windows 7 to an end user as a 3rd party
@tombull89 Not really; that's presentation abstraction (or presentation virtualization if you subscribe to that terminology). There's absolute distinction of what is running "here" and "there". What I'm describing allows processes to roam from one node to another, or allows a node to barrow resources from another. Resources connected to the data fabric essentially form one large cluster of resources, managed and used by various supervisor processes.
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A: Macintosh computers cannot connect to router unless we re-start the modem and router

fab23Be sure to double check issues on the DHCP communication. You can paste here the negotiation using tool like Wireshark (http://www.wireshark.org/download.html). You can check if another DHCP server is present on the network. Troubleshoot starting from router and firewall logs.

@Dan Why would you need to though? 2008 R2 Datacenter + Desktop Experience
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15:38
@MDMarra A shared estate isn't always desired and not everything runs on Server OS's
@ChrisS Oh, I see what you're getting at now.
@MDMarra Not to mention I'm pretty sure the std. Win7 and Win8 licenses includes VDI for that same box too
@Dan Shared estate? You can have dedicated machines per user. Datacenter edition is all you can eat
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@BrentPabst The problem is who owns the licenses.
@MDMarra Well, that's one problem cured. Still doesn't solve software compatibility etc
@Dan Ah, true. I remember a company that was actually doing Windows 7 cloud access for Mac users a while back, they got hit with a hell of a fine
these guys used to provide Windows from the cloud to devices, looks like the finally stopped trying to make Windows happen: cloudon.com
15:42
I just need a barebones workstation with a lot of sata ports.
Throw freeNAS on there
load up some extra hard drives.
@Goatmale No, lots of eSATA ports!
@Goatmale Have you looked at an HP MicroServer? 4x drive bays (plus on 5.2" DVD) and a motherboard usb socket for your FreeNAS install.
The problem is I want a lot of things but I don't want to spend any money.
Why lots of eSATA ports?
A common problem.
15:46
Wouldn't one or two suffice?
@Hennes Take my external drives and devices on the run whenever needed, very quickly and easily
More than two?
I would consider an external case with drives and using port multipliers
@Goatmale Microserver, around £150 (includes 250GB HDD and 2GB RAM).
12 NICs for VMWare!??! pssh.
Just install virtual box, vmware workstation and vmware players and you should have a dozen NICs.
ducks
15:54
Just install Server 2012 and Hyper-V role.. duh.
Did someone here point out a website where you can subscribe to update notifications for various software vendors; like Adobe (Flash & Reader), Oracle Java, etc (VLC and a few others would be nice)??
No but I'd like that too.
Especially if someone worked that together with ninite
I know there is a website where you can select a common set of tools and it downloads a compiled installer with all of the latest updates though
@BrentPabst ninite.com?
@Goatmale That would be the one, guess I didn't see your last post before I hit enter
15:56
no worries.
reminds me of NuGet for Visual Studio development
Actually the way Hyper-V works is that you create a "Virtual switch" from a physical port.
I'd rather just get a daily "new updates" summary e-mail. I'm very distrustful of 3rd parties supplying software that we'll be running on production workstations.
Ready for a nap
E-mail notifications of Flash and Reader updates?! Christ, do you want to kill your mailserver?
15:59
D: wat
You could hack together something like "http://www.changedetection.com/" to send you an email when this page changes.. adobe.com/support/downloads/…
@Goatmale It always did that; but the management interfaces covered it up pretty well. I know I've commented on it before but Hyper-V 1 and 2 were copiously laden with C-Level terminology and skeuomorphs.
Yeah, they were called "virtual networks" thought. sneaky.
I think the "SCSI Controller" is the most egregious example, it doesn't even speak SCSI.
"serial port"
should have just been renamed.. "LIES"
16:01
At least the Serial Port showed up in the VM as an actual serial port though.
No, it's a named pipe
for debugging purposes.
Microsoft's response is "Sorry bro, that feature doesn't work"
@Goatmale It's a Named Pipe on the HOST system. The VM sees a serial port.
I don't get it. Originally I was just trying to get a serial device to work on a VM but everything kept saying it was impossible. Now you're telling me it's possible?
Did anyone link this yet? Because just, /headdesk
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Q: Recover deleted files on windows 2008 file server

anigaWe have recently been hit by a weird virus which made all files and folders a system files/folders and also it hid all files and folders par some weird ones it created including: ..exe porn.exe secret.exe password.exe etc We have managed to restore the files with attrib command to unhide and ...

I would be grateful if anyone can help us on how we can recover from this disaster which could potentially put us out of business.
16:08
@Goatmale If you have a real serial device, there's no way to connect it to Hyper-V (within Microsoft's software anyway)
Yeah.. the only way is this: com0com.sourceforge.net
A Serial Port presented to a VM is connected to a named Pipe, either on the Hyper-V Host or a Remote computer.
But using the way we have been doing it fucking sucks as I have to run the program manually on both the host server and the client.
and stay logged in.
I'd be nice if someone wrote a Com Port to Named Pipe utility that ran as a service. Then you could point the Hyper-V VM's Com Port to the Remote Named Pipe and get connectivity without installing special software on the VM, and it'd be able to migrate without issues.
Oh you mean without using a program called "ABC_SrvAny"
:)
16:20
Yeah; I suppose so. I don't have any need for serial ports, but I'm sure some do.
A security device we need uses it.
Nothing is more secure then serial input..
Oh, one of those hardware keys? There's probably a program available on the net that emulates it. =]
How do I run a bat or CMD without it closing
without starting CMD first
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Q: Stop a batch file from autoclosing

joeCan someone tell me what cmd to put at the end of a batch file to stop it from auto closing? Thanks!

mornin' gents.
@Adrian yo
16:40
@Adrian WhoWhatWhereintheWhatnow?
Hey @ewwhite Heh. Just a recruiter call for a 3-6mo contract in NYC doing RHEL admin for a finance company.
@voretaq7 Yup, can't talk about it. NDA.
Other than that, the dot-com life rocks at the moment.
I think I found where Adrian works: youtube.com/watch?v=dQx_pJyyyxc
I wish there was a site that allowed me to share pictures of my friends from College..
16:55
@Goatmale What part of Facebook do you not understand?
It's a joke.
The guy in the video created a social network that's exactly facebook.
It's kind of sad actually, because he seems to be really into it
@ericleebow
Internet Visionary, Social Media Entrepreneur, Researcher, Creative, and cool like FreezeCrowd!
16.9k tweets, 4.9k followers, following 330 users
@Goatmale Ah. Yeah, don't have time for things like Youtube much anymore.
@Adrian Oh?
Hah, it looks like the guy paid 15 dollars for people on Mturk to sign up and give feedback..
A person.. that's insane.
@ewwhite Yeah. Some C knowledge, Spacewalk, Kickstart, & Perl.
17:09
@Adrian Ooookay.. so are you interested
@ewwhite No. Amused, mostly. We'll see if I get bored of this place or not.
The financial places are getting aggro... they're not able to attract people nowadays.
@ewwhite Not surprised. They've suffered mightily in the court of public opinion the past few years.
17:27
I swear to god if I have to hear slow ride take it easy again i'm going to turn all of the servers off forever
24/7 Butt Rock is the other reason I left Upatate NY
I have listened to the same songs every day for a year and a half.
Most of them terrible.
Except Taylor Swift <3
@Adrian I prefer "Can't talk about it. Lawyer said to keep my damnfool mouth shut."
17:44
I hate it when people delete their own questions before I see them and get to tell them just how far out of their depth they are.
@MichaelHampton You do VMWare... How many NICs are needed?
@ewwhite Depends if you want to be able to talk to the rest of the world or not. VMware says a minimum of two, one of which will be a management NIC, but you can get away with one.
@MichaelHampton and how 'bout TWELVE?
And if you aren't talking to anybody, zero is a possibility.
@ewwhite Sounds like you're having a really fun day.
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Q: vSwitch configuration with 12 uplinks

JoshuaI have been doing a lot of research on vSwitch configurations, but I think I am more confused now after all of the reading that I have done. So here is my situation 3 ESX Hosts (12 nics each), 1 iSCSI SAN, 2 Force 10 switches. Should I create individual vSwitches for MGMT, vMotion, VM, and SCSI...

17:48
"Oh, we put 12 NICs in all the boxes because they were only a couple of bucks and why not?"
I guess he's got lots of spares...
@MichaelHampton Moar ports!!! But really, it's not needed.
I like how he thanked you but didn't upvote your answer.
@Goatmale Yes, well in 1997 I created a website to keep track of student contact information for my high school. It was almost identical to how FB started, with obvious differences thereafter.
@Goatmale Not everyone does... and it's a new user.
I'm not sure I've ever heard someone complain that Fail2Ban was too complex before
It is complex to work with, so I decided to create my own script. — Sukhjinder Singh 6 mins ago
17:53
@ChrisS Yeah, I facepalmed at that one.
I wish we could answer this
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Q: What are the data link protocols for cellular networks?

Panda PajamaWhat are the link layer protocols for cellular networks? There are several platforms for high speed cellular networks. From GSM, to GPRS, W-CDMA, HSPA, LTE, etc. I (mostly) know about the physical details of radio transmission from what I studied at grad school (BPSK, QPSK, MIMO, Fading, etc.), ...

@voretaq7 Eh? Sure, I'd like to see more people here with experience in these networks, but I don't think crap questions are the way to attract them.
@MichaelHampton I know a few people who could answer...
@MichaelHampton it's not that bad, it could be fixed by someone with cellular experience.
problem is we have nobody with cellular experience to fix it :-/
"What protocol is this Ethernet cable using?"
18:05
@MichaelHampton token ring
@MichaelHampton Invalid assumption - just because it's cat5 doesn't mean its ethernet :)
@voretaq7 I know 802.16 networks, but not GSM, CDMA, LTE, or their derivatives.
@Iain I have a box of tokens here somewhere
OK, so what protocols can this Cat5 cable use?
@MichaelHampton ethernet, token ring, +48V telco (ISDN, POTS), RS232 :-)
18:08
@voretaq7 Good answer. Now what would you do to someone who asked that on the main site?
I agree the question isn't a good one (because it's asking for a list-of-things that you can get better from Wikipedia)
but it's the start to a much more interesting question.
@MichaelHampton Anything that uses differential signaling on up to four pairs, up to rates of 100MHz at 100m. Also current loop protocols (eg RS-232)
@MichaelHampton Ask them to ask a better question :)
@ChrisS Why you gotta insist on differential signaling for?! You're an exclusionist sir!
@voretaq7 Are you trying to oppress my freedom of expression?
@MichaelHampton I would probably also make a reference to IP over Avian Carriers.
@ChrisS dude, I'm a mod. Isn't that what we're supposed to do? :-P
@MichaelHampton (I'm also not saying it should be left open, but one of you lot can put the final nail in its coffin :-)
18:13
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A: Is SF an appropriate place to ask any question about telco network?

Michael HamptonIf you're asking questions about working on the telecommunications network, especially the mobile network, then certainly it's within the scope of Server Fault. However, the problem is that it's a somewhat specialized industry and for some questions there may not be anyone here who can answer. S...

@MichaelHampton Well now if we're trotting out Meta answers we regret...
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A: Are cpanel questions really 'professional sysadmin' related?

voretaq7A question that mentions cpanel is not de-facto off-topic. It is possible an otherwise competent admin inherited a cpanel disaster and now has to make it work. HOWEVER - If you are limiting yourself to just "what can be done from within cpanel" you're no longer a sysadmin in my view - you're an ...

(why oh why did I protect them? I should have just pushed them into the volcano...)
@voretaq7 go and propose a server management through web interfaces site on area51 it's bound to fly
@Iain . . . I'm scared to.
(1) by proposing it I'd be expected to participate, and NO.
(2) If we let that much stupid gather in one place it may collapse into a singularity.
Then one day we'll wake up, go to google, and it'll be a big cPanel screen. Do we really want to be responsible for THAT?
after the sigularity or before ?
@Iain During.
it's that whole sucked-through-into-another-dimension bit:
18:18
So it's happening on Friday, then?
Plane of Suck.
@MichaelHampton some new age types figured that it's the end of the 13th Bak'tun of the Myan calendar
they mixed our dislike of the number 13 with a calendar that is based around 20 and came up with an apocalypse
@Iain Shh.
Don't spoil the ending for them.
There was an interesting radio programme about it this time last year
Invalid Username or Password is blatantly obvious. — Michael Hampton 7 secs ago
18:32
@MichaelHampton Double Face Palm?
Nonsequitor follows:
I'm doing work right now for a telecomm provider whose security people can be a little… overzealous.
Shredding disks from decommissioned servers? That's pretty standard.
They shred RAM.
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@MikeyB That's beyond paranoid; that's insane.
Could someone explain to me why my solution here serverfault.com/a/459109/61246 worked? To my understanding, the defined group policies are contradicting each other. Yet, it works
18:35
Hey, we have that problem.
@OliverSalzburg Is one of those GPOs set to Enforced? Loopback processing enabled?
@ChrisS Neither
@MikeyB Do they also shred users which get fired?
I created the computer-level one a week ago and linked it to a few test OUs. It simply didn't work. I added the user-level one additionally today and it worked like a charm minutes later
@Hennes no, but they have a neuralyzer in the back.
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18:39
@MikeyB and now you know why I get upset when people cite the DoD standard data destruction as a reason to do the same
DBAN should be plenty in most cases.
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And a single pass at that
@Dan I don't believe the DoD standard requires shredding RAM.
5220.22M is just disks isn't it?
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18:41
They don't, I meant their HDD wipes
@OliverSalzburg Does the OU to which you linked the GPO contain users, computers or both?
@Dan Nothing wrong with that standard
Our standard here for anything that contained sensitive data is smashing it.
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Any way, got to go, but its my mission to educate people that nobody has been able to demonstrate data recovery from a modern mechanical HDD after a single pass of zeroes
@Dan ...at least nobody who's gonna admit it in public :-)
@Dan Were you the one behind The Great dd Challenge all those years ago?
18:43
@Dan No, but I can demonstrate a firmware bug where secure erase fails to actually erase the entire drive.
@MichaelHampton the only solution for flash is a microwave.
@voretaq7 I'm talking about spinning hard drives.
@MichaelHampton the only solution for those is a hammer
(or a disk shredder, but hammer is more fun)
Yeah, and I want to keep what's left of my hearing too
18:45
Incidentally, there IS something in the DDM about RAM (NVRAM):
1. Overwrite media by using agency approved and validated overwriting technologies/methods/tools.
2. Each overwrite must reside in memory for a period longer than the data resided.
3. Remove all power to include battery power
I like #2.
@voretaq7 Putting it in the microwave sounds like a better idea.
@jscott Both. I keep users and computer separate further down the tree.
@voretaq7 What are you blathering on about?
@ScottPack does the topic matter ?
@Iain Sometimes the topics are interesting.
@Iain Did you get my screenshot? Totally unphotoshopped.
18:53
@ScottPack yes, thank you
@Iain Try to contain your excitement.
@ScottPack I will, just prepping for a spin, I'll see what I can rustle up laters
heya guys
I'm back from the beach
@Basil You should have stayed on the beach. The real world still sucks.
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Q: PostgreSQL scaling up to 64 cores?

O_OIn this Computer World article, it specifies that PostgreSQL can scale up to a core limit of 64. Does this mean for one multi-core processor of 64 cores? Or multiple processors with fewer cores? The reason why I ask is because I am trying to find how much processors PostgreSQL may scale up to b...

Sick as a dog, short on sleep, and manually editing mib files for snmp trap levels. What the fuck could go wrong?
19:00
Who wants to explain how multi-core processors work?
@MichaelHampton Naw, I'll go and tell him he shouldn't use raid 5.
@MichaelHampton If you can afford a 64-core server you can afford a proper DB
19:18
@Chopper3 wwhat is the cheapest 64 core system you can get these days I wonder.
why would you ever ask me about cheapness :) may as well ask me about Hungarian grammar
I imagine a HP DL585 or BL685 would be say $15k?
@ScottPack Data Destruction. Now come here and eat these soy-based storage cubes!
@Chopper3 If you're running Postgres on a 64-core machine and hitting performance problems I'm surprised
@voretaq7 This is a very generalised thing to say, but 90% of DB problems can be fixed by analysing the DB and making minor changes - but throwing hardware at a problem is a nice gear to be able to change to if needed
19:33
@Chopper3 it's very generalized because it's true :-)
In my experience throwing hardware at the problem just doesn't make it any worse (unless we're talking going from 7.5K disks to 15K disks or SSDs - then you may notice a bump no matter how shitty your DB is)
I was talking to someone at work the other day about a performance problem we were seeing before I stopped working - I'd ordered some new blades but it turns out the problem was fixed with a locking issue change
@Chopper3 I've done that. My favorite was at my first job I improved performance in our product (enterprise infrastructure/namespace management software) by about 500% by adding ONE. INDEX.
I have bugbear about unnecessary joins, less of an issue in large-memory or fully-memory-mapped systems but I've seen some absolute CRIMES committed in that area. The thing we always come across when dealing with anyone but the very largest software companies (i.e. MS, Oracle etc.) is that they say they scale but they never do, not to what we need, never
19:49
@Chopper3 I've been having this "discussion" (argument, fistfight) with our lead developer who went view- and join-crazy
@MichaelHampton also, posted some performance numbers in an answer to that Postgres question.
@MichaelHampton feck?
If you have an RHEL subscription, call Red Hat and get some bloody value out of it. If you don't, then stop trying to use RHEL and just install CentOS. Fuck.
@MichaelHampton You forgot "YOU CHEAP BASTARDS!"
@MichaelHampton nah, that isn't a good idea. You should save your support calls for when the issue is end-of-the-world critical.
19:57
@Zoredache Yeah, except they're probably useless for anything really important.
@Zoredache so the support engineer can say "Well Golly Gee Mr. Bill! I shure wish you had called us before you implemented this clusterfuck so we couldda helped you not fuck up your whole dang environment!"

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