The Comms Room

Michael Hampton

00:01

@MarkHenderson SO still has 50K questions in their queue... WTF.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton They have millions of questions

And perhaps not enough 3kers who care

Michael Hampton

And all their other queues are at 0

Mark Henderson

(I only have 194 rep)

Michael Hampton

SOHO?

0

Q: Windows 8 Goes To Sleep When It Shouldn't

I have an installation of Windows 8 Pro that goes into sleep mode when I leave the computer unattended for a few minutes. This does not always happen, and there was a few weeks where it didn't sleep at all unless I forced it, but it is now happening again. I have, many times, looked at the power...

Journeyman Geek

ya, better fit for SU if it isn't a dupe

Scott Pack

00:32

@MarkHenderson I had no interest in my 10. The 15 is coming up soon, I may be more tempted. We'll see how morbidly curious I'm feeling.

Mark Henderson

@ScottPack My Mum had her 30-year anniversary a few years ago. She said it was interesting to see who had died

Scott Pack

Speaking of morbidly curious!

Mark Henderson

She went to a very very small school though, only about 15 people in her graduating class

Scott Pack

Ah, too small a sample size to be meaningful. I think my class had about 275

Mark Henderson

Mine was about 150 students, 99% fuckwits

But that's about the standard fuckwit:not ratio

Scott Pack

00:39

I can't disagree.

Of course, I probably would have been in that 99%. I try not to think too much about that time period.

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson Mine was 1200 students. SouthernCalifornia.jpg

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas Shit, in just one class/year?

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson That is correct. Lots of Garcias.

Mark Henderson

My entire school was only 800 students, and that was considered a big school

Scott Pack

@MarkHenderson My high school was ~1000, but not much to compare against for normality. we only had one high school for the county.

Joel E Salas

00:43

I've always lived in densely populated places. Can't imagine what an actual small town is like

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas I lived in Australia's 2nd largest city when I was in highschool

But it wasn't very densly populated to be fair

There were four highschools that I could have gone to that were close enough

And maybe 10 primary schools

ewwhite

 --- /home/melissa.prentice/mail ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
           /..
   34.7MB  /.imap
    1.8GB   Deleted Messages
    1.3GB   Sent Messages
  420.2MB   Trash
  162.7MB   sent-mail
   32.7MB   GOOGLE
   31.2MB   Junk E-mail
    4.5MB   Sent
    4.0MB   Notes
  184.0kB   COR First Press 2012
   56.0kB   Drafts
   52.0kB   saved-messages
    4.0kB   .subscriptions

thoughts?

Joel E Salas

00:58

@ewwhite Looks good to me

freiheit

@ewwhite It looks like a mail folder used by some IMAP server or another... Client probably isn't set to purge deleted items (or they recently cleaned up a bunch of stuff)... Looks like a few different clients have been used that didn't agree which folders to put things into...

Basically looks typical for a mail folder that's been used for a while.

ewwhite

--- /home/jeff.howland/mail ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
           /..
   36.6MB  /.imap
    3.1GB   Sent Messages
   11.3MB   Archive
    1.4MB   Deleted Messages
   84.0kB   Apple Mail To Do

I hate some of my old-school customers.

because this stuff is a pain to clean up

--- /home/jose.gomez/mail ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
           /..
    1.7MB  /.imap
    2.5GB   Deleted Items
  214.0MB   Sent Items
    1.0MB   Guillermo Lopez
  748.0kB   documents
  304.0kB   carlos magana

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Thats a made-up name, right?

Cos could you get any more stereotypical?

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson No. Why would it be?

Mark Henderson

Jose Gomez

I must watch too much American TV then

ewwhite

01:07

Tsk...

Reasons why IMAP sucks...

--- /home/gerardo.machuca/mail -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
           /..
    1.3MB  /.imap
    1.2GB   Sent Items
    1.0GB   Sent
   49.9MB   Trash
    4.9MB   Deleted Items
    4.0kB   Drafts

Scott Pack

01:39

So I think they're in Pennsylvania. That's about when I got bored.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I smell a Microsoft product.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton I'd love to... BUT...

there's no active directory here.

AND... the customer has a shitload of transient and short-term workers...

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite So one guy's using Apple Mail, someone else is using Thunderbird and another person entirely is using Outbreak. What a nightmare.

ewwhite

to the point where the login scheme (three initials) doesn't scale...

typing w on the application server yields...

430      pts/56   wireless-137     16:59    1.00s 13.19s  0.09s -bash
417      pts/60   wireless-147     13:48    2:17  47.88s  0.09s -bash
175      pts/59   wireless-130     16:19   46.00s  5.59s  0.08s -bash
120      pts/61   wireless-151     15:34   40.00s 29.29s  0.06s -bash
389      pts/55   wireless-085     13:48   54.00s  1:43   0.01s login -- 389
vic      pts/58   los_angeles-105  17:05   10.00s 27.05s  0.09s -bash
562      pts/62   wireless-190     17:00    2:40  20.52s  0.05s -bash
288      pts/63   wireless-196     14:00    2:33   1:04   0.08s -bash

Michael Hampton

Hell, first.last would be a start. Or just make everyone a number.

ewwhite

01:46

The customer just started giving people NUMERIC login IDs

219:x:1627:1628:JONATHAN FLORES:/home/219:/bin/bash
289:x:1628:1629:ESTEBAN MEZA:/home/289:/bin/bash
290:x:1629:1630:RAYMOND LOPEZ:/home/290:/bin/bash
dbm:x:1630:1631:DAVID BARAJAS MIRANDA:/home/dbm:/bin/bash
vgz:x:1631:1632:VIRIDIANA GUTIERREZ:/home/vgz:/bin/bash
291:x:1632:1633:ANTHONY HERNANDEZ:/home/291:/bin/bash
292:x:1633:1634:FAUSTO ORELLANA:/home/292:/bin/bash
293:x:1634:1635:ELIEZER ROLON:/home/293:/bin/bash
WLH:x:1635:1636:WALTER HERNANDEZ:/home/WLH:/bin/bash
wlh:x:1636:1637:WALTER HERNANDEZ:/home/wlh:/bin/bash

that's sloppy, right?

Michael Hampton

Terribly sloppy. And... WLH versus wlh... that's just trouble waiting to happen.

ewwhite

I actually had to put a provision in for this software to handle that.

Scott Pack

@ewwhite How many Walter Hernandezes are there?

ewwhite

because the users of Produce Pro software prefer to keep caps-lock on when they work.

Michael Hampton

There's a lot of stuff out there that, if you feed it a number for a username, will assume it's a UID. Which, in this case, it isn't. A sleeping dragon is about to awaken there...

ewwhite

01:50

@MichaelHampton that's what I'm saying...

and this is on the public interwebz! (ssh)

Michael Hampton

I really should do something with serveritsyourfault.com now. Or find a different domain name so I don't get sued into oblivion.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Yeah so then everyone can pass judgement on your jQuery skills instead of mine :p

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson I'll have you know that my site works perfectly fine, with or without JavaScript!

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Cos it's got no content

Or functionality

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson I'm passing judgment on your spelling

Mark Henderson

02:01

Or boobs

@JoelESalas Whats wrong with my spelling?

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson "judgement"

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Not my fault there's no content, blame the lawyers.

Joel E Salas

"In Great Britain and many of its former colonies, “judgement” is still the correct spelling, but ever since Noah Webster decreed the first E superfluous, Americans have omitted it. "

My apologies

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas Looks correct to me?

Ah

Just finished reading down

ewwhite

Can anyone guess what I'm doing?

[root@LA_XXXXX_Web /var/spool/mail]# dd if=/dev/zero of=BIGFILE bs=1024000; rm -f BIGFILE

Joel E Salas

02:10

@ewwhite I'm intrigued now

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite "Wiping" the disk?

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Testing ZFS's compression?

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson I tried that! It wasn't as satisfying as I'd hoped

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas One would hope that a 1gb file of 0's would compress pretty well

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson Actually I used it to test compression AND deduplication

Mark Henderson

02:12

I missed the fact that he deleted the file afterwards though

Michael Hampton

Gawd, it's a miracle the produce gets to my plate at all.

Mark Henderson

My favourite thing about dd is that nobody knows why it is called dd

ewwhite

The answer is here... jules.fm/Logbook/files/shrink_vmdk_files_in_vmware_vsphere.html

Filling the filesystem with zeroes after deleting a bunch of 2GB+ "Deleted Items" folders... Then I'll proceed to svMotion the VMDK's from thick to thin-provisioned. The deleted space will be reclaimed.

Joel E Salas

Superhax

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Thats perverted

ewwhite

02:20

@MarkHenderson That's what happens when you thick-provision VMWare storage in 2008...

and run into problems in 2012.

Michael Hampton

0

Q: Understanding how Tracert works

From what I gathered so far, Tracert works by sending 3 ICMP echo messages. Starting with a TTL value of 1. For each router the packet encounters, the TTL value will be decremented. For the 1st router, 1-1 = 0, so an ICMP "time exceeded" message will be sent back to the sender machine. Next, the ...

icmp ttl tracert

Mark Henderson

02:44

@MichaelHampton That's an odd question

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Yeah, it is an odd question.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS sums it up basically

I don't see what possibly value could be gleaned by the program sending extraneous error messages when it expects and handles the data properly.

Chris S

Sometimes I just want to ask people why their so "unintelligent"

Like the guy who thinks Windows keeps time completely independently from the BIOS. Like, really?!

Michael Hampton

0

Q: Sybase Adaptive Server Enterprise 15.7 and Scalability

Does anyone have any idea approximately how much Sybase Adaptive Server Enterprise 15.7 can scale to (i.e. scale to x nodes, cores, processors, etc.)? Thanks.

database scalability sybase rdbms

It's going to be one of those nights...

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS We need a "Send to Asshole" queue, and either TomTom or Womble pick a question out of the queue to berate

Chris S

02:56

When did we stop talking about attracting system administrators with more experience, insight, and skill?

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS When we realised that they were all already here

And that the rest of the worlds sysadmins are shit

Chris S

I don't mean to imply that you are any less than Limoncelli's mentor, but I feel I rank pretty well in the middle of the pack; even the bottom end when I watch Usenix talks.

Adrian

@ChrisS Good Evening from the shallow end of the gene pool.

Michael Hampton

Well, first, you have to get Limoncelli here. Then you have to get him to plug SF in the third edition of his book.

Adrian

@MichaelHampton He has been, doesn't post much.

TomOnTime, Bloomfield, NJ

913 3 2

conferences linux networking windows

Chris S

03:00

@Adrian Indeed; we've actually been visited in passing by a number of large names. But they aren't part of the community.

ewwhite

@ChrisS I know a few good admins who don't bother with this site.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Because of the low quality of questions?

Chris S

@ewwhite Yeah? I don't suppose you have any particular insights into why? Or any online communities that they do "hang out" in?

ewwhite

This was during some financial industry interviews... I took it as a bad sign.

Trading is pretty insular, and all of these guys thought that they had the secret sauce.

so there was very little sharing...

and then there were other people... but they were either too old (yes, I said it)

Chris S

It seems that many industries think they have 'secret sauce', which commonly turns out to be the same ingredients everyone else is using.

ewwhite

03:05

or were contributor to open-source projects, mailing lists, etc... but never serverfault

Chris S

@ewwhite Don't let Gardeniers hear you say that; though that guy borders on classical psychopathy.

Mark Henderson

@Adrian I'm sorry but that guy asks shit questions

If that's supposedly the best system admin ever to grace our planet and he asks questions like this; then the game is already lost

5

Q: Monitoring system that scales to 1,000 hosts and 100,000 variables

Suppose I wanted to monitor 1,000 hosts. For each host, there is 100 or more variables I want to monitor: ping, disk IO/latency, RAM free/swap/etc, and so on. 100,000 data points every 5-10 minutes, stored for 5 years. What system scales this large? What if I had 10x the number of hosts? Wha...

monitoring

Adrian

@MarkHenderson He's probably the best DevOps on the planet.

Mark Henderson

he also doesn't get how the system works, or come back to maintain his questions:

ewwhite

he should have known about OpenNMS...

Mark Henderson

03:12

12

Q: How to set up Google ShortName service for my domain, so that the FQDN isn't needed

The blog post "A 'tinyurl' service for your domain" explains how to set up a ShortName service for your domain using Google Apps. For example, if your domain is example.com and you use Google Apps, you can configure it so that http://go.example.com is your enterprise's personal ShortName service....

dns dhcp service shorturl

ewwhite

(not how I don't talk about OpenNMS anymore)

Mark Henderson

I had no idea who that guy was when I posted that comment on his question back then

Adrian

Good evening @Chopper3

Mark Henderson

@Adrian Well he can't ask a good question to save his life

So if he asks shit questions, how can you expect anyone else to ask good questions that are 'worthy enough'?

Adrian

@MarkHenderson Don't look at me. I think there are issues with the strict Q&A format, but I don't run .SE either.

Mark Henderson

03:16

Fair enough

ewwhite

@Adrian You'd like more forum-like discussion?

Why SHOULDN'T I buy a Sonicwall?

Mark Henderson

3

Q: SonicWall "gotchas"?

We're looking to move away from PFSense and CARP to a pair of SonicWall NSA 24001 configured in Active/Passive for High Availability. I've never dealt with SonicWall before, so is there anything I should know that their sales guy won't tell me? I'm aware that they had an issue with a lot of the...

high-availability sonicwall

Chris S

@ewwhite Used Cisco gear costs the same, works, and you'll find 100x more admins who know how to configure it.

Adrian

@ewwhite Not sure I'd want that either. But .SE has always been about the gamification of IT Q&A discussion

@ewwhite Because the boss owns stock in F5 or the boss' buddy works for Juniper or ...

Chris S

I wouldn't want "forum" like discussion where is degrades into 100 pages of crap for every page of relevant content.

ewwhite

03:18

@ChrisS I think the mark of a bad admin is one who insists on Sonicwall gear... you've outlined the best reasons..

Plus, there's hardforum.com

and ArsTechnica server room

Chris S

But there should be a middle ground somewhere; where people can have intelligent discussion.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS But but but sonicwall is shiny

Chris S

@MarkHenderson I suppose if "shiny" is a business goal, that makes sense.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Of course it is

Chris S

I am curious as to your problems with pfSense... Wonder if FreeBSD is aware of the issues and if someone is working on them.

Mark Henderson

03:21

Nothing like some good server porn to scare people with

@ChrisS Absolutally nothing any more, but back then we had huge problems with the hardware it was running on

So we took the oppertunity to upgrade. Client had money, I wanted to spend their money.

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS I've recently seen forum software where each individual post can be marked as a "discussion" thread or a "Q&A" thread.

Chris S

My firewall is locked in a closet, roughly 2.5m off the ground where nobody ever sees it... no "shiny" requirements here.

Mark Henderson

I still have plenty of pfsense machines

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Ah; yeah... That's a pet peeve of mine; open source can allow you to cheap out on software CapEx, but if you run awesome software on crap hardware you still end up with crap.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Yeppp

Chris S

03:24

@MichaelHampton Yeah, but discussions are still either a long list of "contributions" or a tree of responses. I think Slashdot made a step in the right direction with the voted tree, but it still seems pretty well abused.

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS How should they be done, instead?

Chris S

@MichaelHampton I dunno, but those formats don't seem to work.

Most important question of the night: Do another shot or Cut-off ?

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Your time zone?

Chris S

EST

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Hm, cutting it close there. Make it a nightcap.

Chris S

03:28

Need to build some tolerance for New Years anyway.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Huh. I tend to just go to bed on newyears

Chris S

Actually... Let's try that again, since I'd rather the world wasn't able to take that out of context or something.

I'm going to a p-a-r-t-y and it's going to be epic in comparison with my boring normal life.

Adrian

03:45

Taking things IN context? What kind of American are you? Must be a Commie. Yup. Definitely a Commie.

Chris S

@Adrian Some comments are more equal than others.

Adrian

@ChrisS Heresy! Commie! Commie! Commie!

Chris S

I've been accused of worse.

ewwhite

04:21

So VMWare people... what would be wrong with using a Linux-based NFS server as a storage unit for VMWare?

Ward

@ewwhite I thought you were VMWare people...

ewwhite

I guess I am... but I'm doing some crazy migration/space-recovery/janky-high-availability surgery right now, and I'm using a high-end Linux server for NFS datastore space temporarily... it got me thinking why I've never used a straight Linux box as VMWare storage.

Mark Henderson

Personally the main reason I don't use it is because I know nothing about it and I don't like maintaining things I don't know baout

I know iSCSI and I know some FC, so I stick to that

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson If you saw what I was doing... Well, it's far beyond the limits of supportable

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Haha, well I wish you the best of luck. And like I said the other day, are you ever not working?

ewwhite

04:28

@MarkHenderson Holiday time == downtime.

Mark Henderson

Also time-and-a-half? ;)

ewwhite

so at this rate, I'm clearing $2k/day of maintenance work.

but my real job's tasks are piling up... so after this surgery, I have to build a bunch of ESX hosts... on Supermicro :(

Mark Henderson

Shit for $2k/day I'd be doing 12 hours of maintenance too

ewwhite

But it involves all sorts of craziness... like remote in-place VMWare upgrades from 3.5 to 5.1 over ILO... with single hosts and local storage.

Michael Hampton

Oh, I'd put up with all sorts of craziness for $2k/day.

ewwhite

04:36

So that's why I'm always working.

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite The saddest part of that sentence is as I read it, I thought "That's not so bad, I've done that before"

ewwhite

So I've done this for six clients this weekend.

last one now...

Tell me how much wrong you see with this...

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite So listen, if you want help with these in-place upgrades my standard rate is $150/hr or $1k/day ;)

Where to start?

Windows 2000? Or the fact that it's Windows 2000 that seems to be a time server?

ewwhite

Time clock and accounting server... with 90GB of company file storage.

Mark Henderson

Or that a Windows 2000 server seems to be exposed on a public IP

(and thus probably has no firewall)

ewwhite

04:43

IP scheme dates back to 1994.

before they had internet connectivity.

Mark Henderson

They didn't have internet in 2004?

ewwhite

But no, they didn't have internet there in 2004.

it was all serial.

Mark Henderson

You know what... maybe you can keep that $2k/day...

But on the other hand that's over a weeks wage in one day...

Maybe I could sell my soul for that

ewwhite

This is hard work... a lot of it fixing things I did 5-6 years ago.

Michael Hampton

These are the guys using someone else's IP space as private IP addresses, right?

Joel E Salas

04:52

@ewwhite I've run linux servers as plain NFS for VMware in a temporary capacity like what you set up. It worked perfectly for my purposes

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton yes.

Michael Hampton

Thought that looked vaguely familiar.

ewwhite

@JoelESalas So what's wrong with it?

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite I assume that in a high performance scenario you need to tune TCP settings and kernel parameters and such

ewwhite

@JoelESalas Just thinking, it's essentially what I do with nexenta boxes.

Journeyman Geek

04:59

reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/14z34b/… I find the idea of using stripper rates to work out how much to charge people interesting ;p

ewwhite

I'm $200/hr

so that works

Yes - Flash this device? [NO, yes, quit] Device [P410]: FW Ver [ Current:2.74 | Apply:5.70 ?]

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite YYYYYY

ewwhite

Exactly.

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas YYYYYY not a valid option. Please choose [NO, yes, quit]

Geezus I'm about to get yelled at soon; my boss asked me "How do you screenshot on a Mac?" I replied "I dunno - try Control+Shift+Google" and I heard him repeat that to a customer verbatim

7

Then he realised what he said and shot me a death stare

ewwhite

That's bad.

Mark Henderson

05:09

I also didn't realise he was on the phone, but whatever

Michael Hampton

It's a Mac, so you need to use Command-Shift-Google, not Control-.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Good point

I now also know its Cmd+Shift+3

I'll add that to the Today I Learned list

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Yeah, I've known that one for 25 years. So I thought maybe you had some keyboard where "Google" was printed on the 3 key.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Haha no such luck, it was just me being an ass, and now it backfired

(hardly my fault it backfired, who the fuck tells a customer to press the "google" button)

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson I have a keyboard here that seems to have an "Internet Explorer" button, so it's not too far fetched.

Mark Henderson

05:16

@MichaelHampton Haha ok point taken

Michael Hampton

I wonder how quickly I can cook up a Windows app that makes the Start button open Google instead.

Stack Exchange

cerebrospinal fluid, pericardial fluid, sputum, aqueous humor, perilymph, chyme, hydatid fluid, interstitial fluid, rheum, and gin.

SpacemanSpiff

Cmd + Shift + 4 is quite useful too

Michael Hampton

Don't forget Grab.

ewwhite

top - 21:07:31 up 41 days,  1:12, 122 users,  load average: 5.15, 4.58, 4.75
Tasks: 975 total,   4 running, 971 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Mem:  32953640k total, 30974660k used,  1978980k free,   139184k buffers
Swap: 16779852k total,      408k used, 16779444k free, 24470596k cached

I'd just use Grab

Michael Hampton

05:25

@ewwhite Not seeing a problem here. Well, except that the box doesn't seem to have any CPUs.

ewwhite

16...

just all of the silly users....

and the shitty software that doesn't cache I/O

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite What's the I/O wait?

Michael Hampton

Told you there seemed to be a line missing from that output.

ewwhite

@JoelESalas Not too bad... in purple.

@MichaelHampton I removed that line in the paste.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Yeah, I thought that the CPU would be a bit underutilized.

Michael Hampton

07:19

260 rep. See you all in about 15 hours.

tombull89

09:01

Well, this is significatly better than last week.

Dan

09:41

@tombull89 Very nice too

tombull89

@Dan I'll admit, that's probably the highest Speedtest result I've ever got.

Dan

@tombull89 We've just had BT Fibre - getting aout 20Mbps either way according to speedtest

pauska

10:12

it's usually at 105/105 though

Dan

@pauska Pfft

tombull89

that ^^ is my work connection. Home is nothing special.

Iain

10:27

G'day

I haven't found an interesting question to answer in the last week :(

HopelessN00b

10:54

Good news, restore tests aren't necessary. So sayeth TomTom. :/

0

A: Is it useful check data integrity in one DAT tape?

Check your backp softtware for a validation routine. In general, restoring to SEE THE CONTENT is ridiculous - you can trust checksums to work well enough that a file that does not show an error contains the same content that you had at backup. You basically waste a LOT of time. Tape integrity c...

tombull89

New toy to put in this evening ^_^

Dan

@tombull89 I seriously need me one of those

@tombull89 Wow, they're not too expensive

tombull89

@Dan yup - £138.59 from eBuyer for that one.

Dan

@tombull89 So tempted, but I've spent so much cash on stuff recently

My issue is still drive space - I have a 300GB drive in this laptop and I'm always low (14GB free right now)

Though as I said the other day, I'd be more than happy with a small OS SSD and a bigger storage drive but I don't want one of those caching SSD/Drive combos, I'd want two drives presented

Journeyman Geek

11:14

@Dan: ya, those things are reaching the point where they are worth it

tombull89

You'll have to look around quite a bit to find a laptop with two HDD enclosures. Or you could look at taking out the CD/DVD drive (depending on how much you use it, that is) and replaced it with a hard disk caddy and put the SSD in that.

It's something I considered doing.

Dan

@tombull89 I'm just going to nag my boss until he hands over some ££

Haha, fucking winner

Just been handed a 512 SSD

tombull89

11:30

..dafuck?

Dan

Joys of working for an IT company

Was meant for a project down the line, but now it's all mine

The question is - do I go Win 8 or stick to Win 7

tombull89

@Dan 7. Or dual boot. Use 7 when you want to get stuff done, 8 when you've got spare time and want to learn how to use it.

Dan

@tombull89 Well, I was thinking that with an SSD, I suspect a Win 7 virtual machine will do the trick

tombull89

Yes, using Windows 8's Hyper-V to run Windows 7 on top of a SSD would probably be quite neat...how much RAM does your laptop have?

Dan

Hah, that's another conversation, only 4GB

But it does have another slot so may treat myself to that

Journeyman Geek

11:52

I'd go with windows 8, its actually not that bad other than metro

Eugene

Guys, need help

I've done a terrible thing

I was in home root on my server and by mistake called sudo mv /* tickets/

Can anyone suggest how to fix that? Is there any way at all?

Chopper3

@Eugene see where is says 'The Comms Room' up there in the top right corner? see the words below that? can you read them

tombull89

12:07

@Eugene I'd say, probably unhelpfully, restore from backup? However I've got no linux experince whatsoever so you could ask on Unix and Linux.

jscott

@Eugene Restoring from your known-good backups will likely be faster than any "clever" methods.

Else tickets/bin/mv tickets/* . could be a hoot.

tombull89

We do a "secret santa" sort of thing here. I've also just noticed we've got some empty iPad boxes...

jscott

@tombull89 I wrapped your holiday fruitcake in an iPad box! Enjoy!

Eugene

12:30

@jscott it can't find tickets/bin/mv

Cold T

morning all

oh wait its afternoon, ahh time flying

jscott

@Eugene Yeah, you may want to just grab your latest backups.

Cold T

anyone know how to move an entire exchange db to a completely new domain?

Eugene

@jscott yeah, would be awesome if I had any :)

jscott

@Eugene Ouch. Not having backups is roughly the same as saying your data have no value.

@Eugene On the plus side, you didn't "lose" any data, you just hosed your system. You can probably just pull the drive and stick it in another box and copy out the stuff you want.

@Eugene If it's a VM, just mount the VMDK/VHD on another VM.

Eugene

12:34

@jscott It's on a VM

Hennes

@Eugene Which shell? Did you rehash ?

Iain

@Eugene boot off a livecd then

Eugene

12:51

@Iain downloading latest lts currently.

It should have live cd option, right?

Hennes

Do you expect us to answer that without an idea which latest thing you are downloading? :)

Cole

hello

pauska

13:12

@Iain show me the smart way of executing chmod with find again..

Iain

@pauska erm find ... -exec chmod 777 {} + ?

pauska

@Iain it will include all kinds of weird chars etc?

find . -type d -exec chmod 775 {} +

yeah it did :) thanks mate

Iain

@pauska np

Cole

Icy as all hell here.

Iain

wetter n Seattle/Vancouver here

Cole

13:22

It's raining, but freezing. So, that sucks.

tombull89

Cold but surprisingly sunny here.

Brent Pabst

@Iain Can you remove this comment please? serverfault.com/questions/458647/…

I'll replace it with a more precise ASP.NET pointer

Iain

@BrentPabst done

Brent Pabst

@Iain Thanks, me too

ewwhite

13:40

@chopper3 My vCenter is not healthy :(

Iain

only 3 left in /review/close atm too

Brent Pabst

Damn, someone was bored this weekend

pauska

@BrentPabst no, they fixed the stupid buttons so that you can choose no action needed

@Iain same here, went through the remaining ones now

huh, tools - most delete votes is blank here

Iain

@Adrian That explains why I got an email from a Google EMEA recruiter - same day as the last time he logged in

MDMarra

'morning

Cole

13:49

@MDMarra sup G

ewwhite

@MDMarra More VMWare surgery.

MDMarra

@ewwhite Bummer

I didn't hear from you this weekend, so I assumed as much

ewwhite

@MDMarra That client we spoke of had an 8-hour ISP outage....

Iain

there are only 2 questions in /review/close then we're zeros across the board

MDMarra

ha wow

ewwhite

13:51

But I spent the weekend doing in-place VMWare 3.5 and 4.x migrations to ESXi 5.1... (on single-host and local storage systems)

remotely... with one hand tied behind my back....

Cole

That's just painful.

MDMarra

always fun

Brent Pabst

anyone here watch the walking dead?

ewwhite

I can't stand having the volume up...

pauska

@BrentPabst yes, but only season 2.. don't spoil if season 3 has begun

Brent Pabst

13:57

@pauska nope, but check this out: amazon.com/Gerber-30-000601-Zombie-Apocalypse-Survival/dp/…

freaking awesome

pauska

and quite expensive, since it will be only for laughs

Brent Pabst

ha ha

Dunno, I could use a machete in the summer when the stupid milk weeds start to bloom

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