Kitten Impossibe III

@Ward Don't throw those out - you can use them to reward junior admins.

@WesleyDavid heh, you've fallen victim to my SCAM!

damnit we don't need MORE cats in here

@ewwhite dun dun DUNNN

eep

Boooomeow

@Zypher CATS FOR EVERYONE

@Zypher So what's up with you guys hiring some Windows dweeb?

@ScottPack ... you mean besides the fact we are a windows shop for the most part?

@ScottPack I think the very brief answer is that nobody converted Jeff Atwood in time.

@Zypher You can't blame your deficiencies on me!

@ScottPack can't say they are deficiencies ...

@Scott's list of deficiencies is already too full to append to.

@Zypher All operating systems are deficiencies.

@WesleyDavid now I have to go haul this POS server down to the car... then drive it to the 'hood for the drop-off.

@ewwhite Gonna pack some heat?

Wait, he lives in the bad part of town? =)

@ewwhite Good luck, don't get stabbed

Any tools that still present (and treat) disks using CHS terms need to DIE RIGHT NOW.

And with that, adieu

@MikeyB Aww there's nothing like having to put in your CHS settings to get the right drive size in there l;)

@MikeyB so we get rid of Unix?

@WesleyDavid The password is "password"

@ewwhite actually the password is P@$$w0rd

@voretaq7 Does Unix really give a shit about how many cylinders its SSD has?

thank WinNT for the complexity rule.

@MikeyB no, but it still presents a drive with Cylinders, Heads and Sectors

Stop using fdisk, and use parted, sftdisk, or gdisk?

@Zoredache That is sfdisk. I mean, yes, I can override it with a --force but it's just a pain in the ass when I have to go back and rework scripts because of the above complaint.

Hrm... That is annoying.

@voretaq7 Really? Or does it just present block storage? At least the newest versions of various tools (fdisk & co) are sector-based.

You use sfdisk? I just build my partition tables by hand using echo and dd. Pussies.

@MikeyB IDK about the 9.x tools, but FreeBSD 8 presented C/H/S in the partitioning tool. It also filled in sane virtual values and advised you not to fuck with them.

@ScottPack good luck doing that with GPT.

@voretaq7 It's called "manning up". You probably wouldn't understand.

@MikeyB Stop buying SSDs with misshapen disk cylinders, problem solved.

@HopelessN00b Obscure T-Shirt: My SSD has one cylinder

@MikeyB You can specify offsets with dd.

@ScottPack meh, ask my exes :-P

@HopelessN00b all my cylinders are ovoid...

@ScottPack grumble grumble naw, that's what --force is for.

Anyone know what the fuck HP is doing with this new "Support Pack for Proliant" instead of "Proliant Support Pack"

Making it not suck I hope

I wish that this were the case.

@Goatmale Confusing people into spending too much money.

I wonder why the Windows 8 Refresh question got rejected by superuser. serverfault.com/questions/454681/… I thought it looked pretty good.

Ah I see, the OP had already cross-posted.

@Zoredache Cross-posted

oh yar.

Hey someone liked my IT Security question.

@Goatmale, I am not sure I understand the requirements on your question. But if you are getting results in some kind of text format, why not sore them in a VCS?

Perhaps using git. That way you can keep track of changes over time.

You could include your script to re-run the msba in the repo also. So you could script a run, and commit all at once.

If you want to be paranoid you could probably even set it up so all your commits are GPG signed.

I understood some of those words.

I made a note to check that out tomorrow.

Well that is a start. Which words didn't you understand?

VCS, I thought git was for programming.

GPG looks like something not windows

VCS (version control system) git is a popular VCS. Git is absolutely not just for programming. It can be extremely useful for a sysadmin.

GPG is a common encryption tool. The commercial version goes by tne name PGP.

Think of any VCS as just a track-changes tool. It can be used for almost anything.

Okay, that makes a lot of sense

@Goatmale Version control is essential for any text file that you may want to track changes to over time. (yes, it can work with non-text files, but that gets trickier)

Git does some neat things with hashes that make it extremely difficult to change things that happened in the past.

I need something more official then excel basically, that seems a little too much for what i'm looking for, but i'll give it a go when I have time on the morrow.

Grrrah just had an IRQL_NOT_LESS_THAN_OR_EQUAL bluescreen on a 2008 R2 server. I think it's fucked :(

@Goatmale Your question, and quest for an answer would probably be a lot better if you could nail down what exactly you plan on doing with all the data you collect with msba, after you have collected it.

Part of the problem is the results from the scan are so useless I don't really plan on doing much but presenting it in a professional fashion and addressing the issues.

one of the results is "Drive is NTFS"

I'm sure there are other people that have the same issue, but unfortunately I can't ask, "MBSA... whatsupwiththat?"

someone finally noticed they can't migrate to us any more

hmm

@RobM Fucking sweet

That was one really shitty question we didn't have to answer!

On a related note, does "too old to migrate" apply to mods as well?

@MarkHenderson yeah. Shame we had to stop migrations but when people honestly don't understand what's going to do well here then its not helping anyone including the asker to migrate questions here and get them bitch-slapped so hard they achieve orbit

@MichaelHampton Yes

Even mods can't migrate after 60 days

@RobM If they really need to, they can flag for a mod to migrate to SF (for < 60 day old questions), or just re-ask after the closure

exactly

There wasn't anything else to do, sadly.

Meh give it a week and everyone will forget it was ever there

I think they have a huge problem on the SO site with people who essentially get most of the "high-rep" tools without ever really taking part in the 'community' of the site and that's why they have a problem with bad migrations, mind-numbingly bad review queue abuse, etc.

you're right. Either way, its not our problem any more.

@ewwhite WTF is up with that? Has the Mob/Chicago PD partnership gotten so toothless that they allow petty crime? Sheesh.

Anyone ever run ESXi on an i3 before?

I've got a great deal on some HP ML120's here. They're little entry-level 1RU servers with i3's, but I can buy about 10 of them for the price of a beefy DL380

It might work.

But are those cheap boxes going to have a supported storage controller?

@Zoredache Care factor 0. They're not even on the ESXi HCL (but they do work after changing the BIOS defaults apparently).

It'll most likely be local storage

(fwiw I don't actually need 10 of them, I only need 2)

@MarkHenderson Right, but what kind of local storage? ESXi doesn't like some sata controllers.

@Zoredache Point taken, let me see if I can find out

If I recall from the HP line ESXi hates the 220,120, but the 420 does work.

People have got ESXi to install on there so they must do it somehow. I don't know if they're using 3rd party storage or not though

The HP NC112i uses Intel chipset. It is supported by ESXi.

I think they may be ways to get some of the models to work, but you can't use any of the fakeraid features.

If I need to RAID them I think I'll try Nextenta and export NFS volumes back to the host ;)

Do you already have lots of ESXi boxes? You could almost certainly get Hyper-V to run.

Actually maybe not that might take all the poor resources the little boxen has

Ok I might need to think about this lol

@Zoredache I've got 3 Hyper-V hosts (which I hate with a vengeance, although I am willing to give 2012 a try) and a bunch of ESXi hosts in another location

What is your problem with Hyper-V? We are seriously looking at 2012 now that it supports shared-nothing live migration

@Zoredache Hyper-V is fine. It's SCVMM I dislike

You people and your alphabet soup.

Ah, well you could skip the scvmm, and just do everything from the cli.

I just find myself getting frustrated with it. Like how it disables all the interface buttons while it's busy re-scanning

With ESXi you can initate a re-scan and continue your work, but in SCVMM you have to wait

I found the PS interface to Hyper-V extremely obtuse when I last tried. Things like adding a new to a VM was a pain

But maybe it's time to go again

Oh, I am not saying it is great. Just that I suspect for a small set of servers you can get away with the Hyper-V MMC and some powershell.

Yeah you're probably right

I find myself using the plain vanilla Hyper-V MMC whenever I need to do things like guest reconfigurations etc

@MarkHenderson My soon-to-be ex-boss is considering moving us over to Hyper-V after my replacement is hired sometime later this winter.

I tend to only use the SCVMM console when I want to do a migration or set up a new network

@Adrian What are you on at the moment?

@MarkHenderson Only Caffeine at the moment, but I bet that's not what you're asking.

@MarkHenderson Free ESXi 5.0.

No shared storage or other fun pay-to-play VMWare stuff.

4.2 days before I'm out of here.

@Adrian Honestly I wouldn't move away from ESXi at the moment (although as I said, I haven't tried Hyper-V 2012 yet). Especially not if you have staff who know ESXi

@Adrian Not that you're counting, or anything

@MarkHenderson Nope. Nobody here really knows it well. I'm certainly no wizard at it yet, for that matter.

@MarkHenderson Oh no. Not at all.

Hey, quick sanity check... I'm working with this PoS HP a5120 switch that allegedly has two APs connected to it. But there's no link light on the ports they're allegedly hooked into, so that must mean someone's full of shit, right?

I mean, if the other end was connected, I'd get a link light, at the very least... right?

@HopelessN00b assuming they are on.

PoE APs.

Fscking contractors. Fsking HP notwork gear. Gah.

@HopelessN00b I'm willing to bet you had it right-er the first time.

And you are sure those use the standard PoE power? Or do they require special injectors.

^ Reliving the glory days.

@MarkHenderson s/answer/reject/

@Zoredache - I think I'm just going to email my Dell guy with a copy of this HP special and see if he'll hook me up with the Dell equivalent, as I know they're on the HCL ;)

@MarkHenderson we've always been at war with SharePoint

@MarkHenderson Dell will just as quickly sell you servers that won't work with ESXi.

@Zoredache Possibly, but the R210 is specifically on the HCL

The R210 is currently 3x the price of these DL120's though, so I'll see how hard I can screw him over a $2000 PO :p

@Zoredache I'm sure. Just yanked one out of the ceiling. Incidentally, anyone suggests an HP WAP to you, shoot them in the face. Freaking mounts block off the console and Ethernet port, awesome for troubleshooting. Stripped 5 screws to hell to get this damn thing down.

@HopelessN00b I've been playing with HP WAPs all day

@HopelessN00b great design there fluffy!

Or maybe PoE has to be turned on on the switch? I freaking hate HP network gear. What a buncha junk.

@HopelessN00b That's a security feature

Use some some variation of a security bolt and it renders your WAP tamperproof. ;)

Or maybe they do require an injector... freaking HP documentation leaves a lot to be desired. Gah, we need an intern, so I can go apeshit on all this junky gear with a sledgehammer and a 12-gauge, and have a fall guy.

@freiheit I prefer epoxy.

Wah! Wah! Accounting staff whining that the file server's slow.

dig-dig-dig

Oh. I know why.

So sad.