The Comms Room

Robert Moir

11:00

yeah

Cakemox

And sometimes only a squeak hammer with a clown's face on the front?

Tom O'Connor

"Hey look, HTML. Let's import re, and use that to parse it!"

Robert Moir

finally visio has installed

Cakemox

Now you can make a DNS server!

ok, lunchtime

Tom O'Connor

Interesting concept. DNS Server in bash

I almost want to try.

SmallClanger

11:09

I've got a copy of breakout written in sed somewhere.

Tom O'Connor

eeugh

uuner.doslash.org/forfun/sedtris.sed

tetris written in sed

SmallClanger

Yikes.

Vert

I can't access that, but that just sounds painful lol.

Chopper3

I've often wondered if Skynet from the Terminator films had really existing what HW/OS/language would have been used to gain self-awareness and kill us all

Tom O'Connor

it does work.

Vert

11:13

HW - not invented yet; OS - BSD; language - C/C++/Python (you know... for the plugins)

Tom O'Connor

pastebin.com/cqiHqdiw

it'd run on IBM Watson

Vert

I absolutely hate this network lol. Patebin is blocked as "media sharing" too.

The best logic ever?

I tried to get on 4chan last night just for laughs... and it worked fine.

Tom O'Connor

i'll post it there, shall I?

Robert Moir

when i leave here i need to write a proxy rule that redirects all http requests to 4chan

Tom O'Connor

heh

Vert

11:16

Not a big deal. I just hate that they locked it down so much :(

Make sure you aim it specifically at the /b/ board.

Robert Moir

i'm sure our students could find /b/ given 4chan.org as the starting point

Vert

They won't have to find it. I'm sure some of them already know.

Chopper3

@RobertMoir or lemonparty.org

Tom O'Connor

hee

i wish i worked for the lib dems

i'd 302 their traffic to lemonparty

Vert

That site's still around?

Chopper3

11:18

seemingly

Tom O'Connor

these sites don't work on me anymore

ie, i'm no longer shocked.

2G1C still makes me go Eugh, though

Vert

I never could do that one.

Robert Moir

meatspin is always good for a laugh. I'll never look on that song in the same way again

packs

Happy Birthday @TomOConnor

Tom O'Connor

leekspin.com too

thanks @packs :)

I rather like the Loituma song

►

Chopper3

11:33

the only things that have really shocked me on the web was 2 girls 1 cup and some beheading/snuff videos from the eastern bloc

Tom O'Connor

yeah, i saw a mexican drug cartel beheading a drug mule

that was a bit.. Surreal.

until then, i don't think i'd ever seen a real person get killed.

i mean, i've seen people get hurt, and dead people in real life

but.. not the process.

Chopper3

there was a bosnian/croatian one that was just awful as the victim knew a bit of a few languages so was crying out in things I understood

Iain

hmmm serverfault.com/questions/248527/…

Robert Moir

that's just trolling for a closing

Iain

narq or plain off topic ?

or if you have to ask you shouldn't be doing it ?

packs

11:44

wow, that's like 30-40 questions all packed into one ridiculously poorly written sentence.

Chopper3

done

ITHedgeHog

Hey guys, bye guys - just log on here and find I've got a Software Spec to read

Tom O'Connor

closed before i could vote!

ITHedgeHog

I have this horrible feeling that they expect me to work in return for my pay. O.O

packs

@TomOConnor Same here :(

Tom O'Connor

11:46

heh

Vert

@ITHedgeHog That's bs. I'm sorry the world is so cruel to you.

That questions was ridiculously packed!

Chopper3

I was expecting it to ask for the meaning of life at the end

Iain

thats easy 42

Chopper3

12:02

I'll be 42 in May, I wasn't very happy about turning 40 bit I will be for 42

packs

12:12

The office coffee pot has an autobrew setting. Why did it take me 2 years to actually use it?

basilmir

Hello everyone,

Iain

G'day

basilmir

where is the best place to search for a good Mac OS X sysadmin?

Mac os x server!

jscott

At the Genius Bar? Wait, is this a trick question?

Tom O'Connor

@basilmir I wasn't aware that you could put Mac OSX and Sysadmin in the same sentence.

Chopper3

12:22

@basilmir where, and what's the environment (i.e. number of boxes, stack, network) etc?

basilmir

Mac OS X Server...

Chopper3

@TomOConnor it's still BSD

Tom O'Connor

True.

basilmir

Europe... we have a guy here who's doing the bulk of the work...

packs

@Chopper3 That's what they want you to think.

Chopper3

12:23

big place, where

basilmir

3 Mac mini servers... architecture office.

Tom O'Connor

eek

Chopper3

running what? sounds like a tenth of a job

basilmir

we're read the manuals... configured the bits... but we're having problems and we don't know how to fix them...

Tom O'Connor

post some questions on the main site, and i'm sure someone will know.

Chopper3

12:24

so is this a perm job or a one-off, and whereabouts in europe

basilmir

not an actual job... consulting... you name your price... if you're good... we pay :D

Tom O'Connor

careers.sf perhaps.

basilmir

one-off

Chopper3

whats the name of that site where you can advertise one-off jobs guys?

you'll still need to tell us where you are

packs

I think @TomOConnor swatted it on the nose.

basilmir

12:25

odes maybe... but that's no good

odesk

Chopper3

ah, narrow market

basilmir

We can't seem to find anyone with a complete understanding of the system...

Tom O'Connor

@basilmir your system, or mac in general?

basilmir

Mac OS X Server 10.6.6

Tom O'Connor

Is that Snow Leopard?

basilmir

12:27

yes

packs

I believe 10.6.7 was just released a week or two ago?

Tom O'Connor

i thought that was 10.7

"Lion"

I'm patiently waiting for "Cheetah"

Robert Moir

shouldn't be that hard to sort out a 3 server network

10.7 is only in beta

Tom O'Connor

One airport Extreme, 3 Macs, done.

get a Drobo Pro and use Retrospect for backups.

Robert Moir

as is, i think, 10.6.7

current release is 10.6.6

Tom O'Connor

12:29

ahh

Robert Moir

we have our mac servers backing up to commvault simpana which was a bitch to set up but works very nicely now

Tom O'Connor

@basilmir what problems are you experiencing?

basilmir

.7 is beta i think

Tom O'Connor

@basilmir also, where in europe are you?

packs

Incidentally, there was recently a patch from EMC to correct an issue where a 10.7 system attempting an smb connection would cause a hard crash on a Celera. Whoops.

Chris S

12:30

We have two clients who insist on using Macs... They also use us for technical support, which means me... If I can fumble through configuring them, seems like any administrator worth their grit should be able to as well.

basilmir

well... we have come face on with ACLs and POSIX permissions...

tried to configure SMB shares...

Chopper3

@RobertMoir I fricking love commvault for ESX

basilmir

nobody can write to them...

packs

@ChrisS I admined some Macs for a while, and that's a pretty good assessment. I definitely ended up learning some very definite quarks.

Robert Moir

depends what sort of support you're talking about Chris - installing photoshop on a mac and connecting it to a windows server is a bit different from installing mac osx server from scratch and setting up Open Directory

Tom O'Connor

12:31

but your user accounts on different servers have different UIDs

or you're in the wrong group?

basilmir

for now users are on just one server

and one group...

smb share is on one server ... the other have www and other resposabilities

Robert Moir

basilmir, have you configured open directory? And joined the other two servers as OD members?

@chopper3 - I love commvault full stop. It's made our lives so much easier here

As far as perms go, i'd do my restrictions via ACL only rather than trying to mix and match posix permissions... especially for SMB sharing

Tom O'Connor

@basilmir basically, it sounds like you should add users to a group, then chown the smb shared folder to be owned by that group, and chmod g+w

@RobertMoir doing that you definitely need central auth, OD is probably the sensible call

packs

@basilmir Can I assume that you are primarily a Mac shop with only the CAD guys using Windows?

Robert Moir

thats how i see it - OD is free after all once you've already purchased mac os x server

basilmir

12:35

mac shop and some old workstations on windows yes

it goes like this... DNS is running, Opendirectory running, Kerberos running, LDAP running, Users added to workgroup done

Tom O'Connor

do Mac Minis come with raided disks now?

Robert Moir

ok that seems reasonable

basilmir

@TomOConnor software raid

Robert Moir

mac mini server edition comes with two disks which can be raided

Tom O'Connor

good good

@basilmir please tell me it's RAID 1 :)

basilmir

12:37

@TomOConnor it's raid 1

Tom O'Connor

whew :)

basilmir

when we configure SMB, we add the group as the share owner and so on

Robert Moir

what you're doing sounds reasonable so far

basilmir

click share... everything seems ok... xp machine map as network drive and each log in with their own account...

BUT when they try to write they get a disk full error

sometimes access denied with permissions errors...

i've right clicked on the folder, Get Info went down to permissions and propagated ownership to everything beneath...

i don't understand... shouldn't the SMB server take care of the permissions for me... what on earth did i set them up in there in the first place...

now i'm back to square one, reading the forums for the last two days, opening up terminal to try some old fix from a two year old post... :(

Chris S

@RobertMoir True, this case would be more of the former and less of the latter. The only "server" type stuff I've done is opening CIFS shares and similar. These clients only have 2 or 3 computers.

DanBig

12:45

Morning gents.
http://i.imgur.com/pgVAY.gif

Iszi

@DanBig Wow. I'm sort of glad you didn't OneBox that.

DanBig

I was secretly hoping it would pop up in chat and mesmerize everyone.

jscott

Or induce seizures...

DanBig

Either or.

Iain

You need to post it in it's own message

Lá Fhéile Pádraig Sona Daoibh

SmallClanger

12:59

Bless you...

Zypher

13:44

dont' think animated gif's onebox

Iain

@Zypher it did in the Vote To Close room

Zypher

shrugs

there goes that theory

DanBig

Ahh, finally the nice weather is coming to the NE

Dropped my car off to have my summer tires/wheels installed today.

Chopper3

just looking at a FW config someone did for me, asked them to open up an entire /23, can you guess what they did? yep, 508 separate lines - ffs

Iain

:(

Chopper3

13:54

I know

pauska

14:06

got two 42" screens today for monitoring (dashboard)

now i just gotta find a monitoring software

:P

Chopper3

nice, what resolution?

Brad

I pulled a projector out of a dumpster the other day.... I now have top running on the full extent of my living room wall. The wife is amused.

Sam

Speaking of monitoring software, has any tried the windows port of Nagios, Nagwin?

Chopper3

A mate of mine got a projector and thought it would be a great idea to point it at his white fabric lounge window blinds, it was, great picture, until a neighbour came around to complain about the inverted porn he was showing for all passers by

3

@Sam whhhhhhyyy????

Brad

@Chopper3 Nice

Sam

14:10

@Chopper3 because unfortunately I can't get a linux server installed at a certain client

Chopper3

bawws

pauska

Chopper3: just 1080p

(regular LCD tv's, they were dirt cheap but good enough to show a big red dot if something is wrong)

Chopper3

what interfaces?

I'm a bit of a TV geek as, well I work in that sector

pauska

going to use hdmi -> dvi

i hatez vga

Chopper3

so it has DVI-D right? with HDCP?

Brad

14:15

What TV doesn't these days?

Chopper3

'dirt cheap'

pauska

well, um

let me check then

(HDCP to run nagios?...)

Brad

My dirt cheap 42" TV ($450 at Target :-D) works great.... except the IR remote sensor is dead.

Chopper3

no, to run football games when the boss is away

I have to buy lots of TV for [main client], we have one room called 'The White Room' with one TV for every single TV channel we show - had to have extra power and aircon ran to the room

pauska

lg.com/us/tv-audio-video/televisions/LG-lcd-tv-42LD450.jsp

one tv per channel? why not use those multiplexers and run 4 channels on one screen?

Chopper3

14:22

because we have to know our platform's working 24x7

SmallClanger

@Chopper: What poor bugger has to sit there in front of it all day?

Chopper3

we have HDMI breakouts connected to these custom boxes that tell us that each channel is working fine (makes sure the video and audio are fluctuating) and tells us if there's a problem but you still have to be sure it's fine.

pauska

yeah, but you still get to see 4 channels simultainously.. or are people looking at them from a huge distance?

anyways, "HDMI™/HDCP Input (1.3 w/Deep Color)"

so I guess im safe for the xbox

Chopper3

@SmallClanger we have a 24x365 team who are doing that and also watching EVERY single video asset that goes onto the platform for quality, make sure there's no weird mpeg/h.254 compression issues

@pauska quite a distance yeah, there's >60 of them

@pauska great news about the TVs

Brad

@Chopper3, where do you work?

DanBig

14:26

Do i lose rep on recalc with closed questions?

Chopper3

you wouldn't know it, it's a UK thing

Iain

@DanBig - don't think so - give it a whirl and see

Brad

I went on a tour with a symphonic band to the UK once. Started in Edinburgh and worked our way South to London. It was an excellent trip. That and Top Gear are what come to mind when I think of the UK.

Tom O'Connor

0

A: apache for armstrong linux

According to the Angstrom Package browser, There is a version of apache2 for this distribution. So I assume you can use the Angstrom distro's package manager, which from my limited googling appears to be opkg. At a wild guess, try opkg install apache2, and see what happens?

questions like this bug me

i googled, and found a plausible answer in about 40s

It may not be 100% right, but i'm pretty convinced it's good enough to teach the OP how to fish

DanBig

@Chopper3, i did a recalc, still same rep, so i guess not

pauska

14:32

people who ask those kind of questions dont want to find out things for themselves

Iain

@TomOConnor meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/5280/embrace-the-non-googlers

pauska

if they cant even bother to check the webpage of the software.. blah

Tom O'Connor

Which is why I answered it

not saying stfw, noob

Iain

and @TomOConnor I only just realised your birthday is the same day as Guinness global marketing day - top o' the mornin to ya

pauska

name-calling and RTFM etc is not something i'd approve

so im fully with you on this one

Brad

14:34

I usually try to help people like this. At least on SO, they get the wrath of 50 angry people with nothing better to do. Usually I help them with the answer, and an explanation of where to look for it. Some people are new, and simply don't know how to find things.

Tom O'Connor

@Iain St Patrick, patron saint of green vomit.

Iain

Guinness have marketed it very well

jscott

But the question was from SO.... Likely the OP does know much about Linux/Apache/etc.

Not an excuse for not STFW though.

Tom O'Connor

@Chopper3 yeah, but i'm bored. I feel like answering dumb questions. Plus, more rep, y'know.

djk

Windows admins: I'm trying to figure out if/why my logon script isn't running (drives aren't getting mapped). Running RSoP doesn't seem to have a section that would show if there was a problem with the logon script – where should I be looking to find this out?

hobodave

14:40

first time seeing STFW

djk

Losing my marbles here.

MarkM

@djk Did you look in the event log on a machine that's failing to process the script?

jscott

@djk Have you tried adding a line to the script that writes to a local file?

coredump

morning

djk

Yep, I looked through the event viewer but couldn't see anything relating to it.

jscott, will do that now.

MarkM

14:42

@djk Well, there will either be an event log entry saying that it processed successfully or that it encountered an error

@djk Assuming that the machine is set to process the script, that is

djk

In the system log I assume, MarkM?

MarkM

@djk In Application I believe

voretaq7

@TomOConnor I thought he was patron saint of lightweights who can't hold their liquor and piss themselves on the train in the middle of the afternoon?

djk

@MarkM Any idea what the "Source" would be?

MarkM

@djk sceCLI makes an entry for processessing security settings in GPO, In XP, I think normal ones go there too, but I'm on 7 right now. There's a separate log just got GPO in vista/7

djk

14:47

Thanks, will check. Quite a few from sceCLI.

MarkM

@djk That's just security policy though. If you're on vista/7, look in the actual Group Policy log

djk

I suspect this has something to do with the introduction of the 2008 DC to a 2003 domain, but I don't know why. Permissions remain the same, the logon script can be called when logged in and it executes just fine.

I will do, thanks MarkM.

MarkM

@djk I assume you did /forestprep and all of that?

Tom O'Connor

Just did it again. serverfault.com/questions/248596/…

coredump

Japan says it's all under control, but they are using helicopters to dump water on reactors 3 and 4 to prevent meltdown. Meanwhile the North American agency says that radiation levels near Fukushima are too high and China asks Japans to be clearer about the nuclear threat.

That means: Godzilla.

voretaq7

14:52

@coredump i've been being EXTRA NICE to my pet lizard lately. Just in case.

SmallClanger

@TomOConnor: I think saying "Google it, you spanner." is fine, if you go on to give a reasonable interpretation of the results of your own googling.

Chopper3

Gojira

Tom O'Connor

@SmallClanger I quite like interpreting google results. A bit like "show your working" on A-level maths exams

voretaq7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fPcqu5aMyw
GOLLYZILLA!

coredump

So, little test: what does the acronym AD&D stands for?

djk

14:54

@MarkM yep I did /forestprep and all that stuff. Did it all properly.

Authentication works against both DCs etc, for all intents and purposes it went fine although the logon script no longer executes for some reason.

Iszi

@coredump I'm pretty sure it's Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, but I get the feeling this is a trick question...

djk

GPO applies just fine, etc.

jscott

Advanced Dungeons and Dragons?

Chopper3

someone's tagged this as low quality but I don't know enough to tell, what's your thoughts; serverfault.com/questions/248605/…

Iain

Advanced Dungeons & Dragons

coredump

14:55

Hmm

Thank god most of the people here are nerds

I just found AD&D as Accidental Death and Dismemberment insurance...

Tom O'Connor

@Chopper3 Looks like one for @RobertMoir

voretaq7

@coredump clearly I'm the only one who ever worked in the insurance industry before?

Iain

@coredump for me that is 3rd on google's list and under the wikipedia disambiguation page

Chopper3

@coredump roll a D20, 17-18 lose an arm, 19-20 lose a leg

voretaq7

(and yes that's a mindfuck for the first month or so, especially if you're a D&D player)

Robert Moir

14:57

wha?

voretaq7

@Chopper3 What's wrong? Missed your saving throw against heavy machinery again?

coredump

@voretaq7 apparently so. Insurance industry sounds evil. :P

Chopper3

@RobertMoir see my link above

voretaq7

@coredump "Insurance industry IS evil." Fixed that for you.

Robert Moir

this convo reminds me of darths and droids

i don't know MS Dynamics

Chopper3

14:58

ah ok, thanks

voretaq7

@Chopper3 Shit question. Also it's a MS Dynamics CRM question (Programming, but not even appropriate for SO in my opinion)

Robert Moir

other than its CRM stuff so a PITA by default

Tom O'Connor

@RobertMoir But you know Sharepoint.. Near enough, right?

Robert Moir

right

voretaq7

MS Dynamics/GPCRM is the ONLY product I've ever seen that uses a relational database but has ABSOLUTELY NO FOREIGN KEYS

Robert Moir

14:59

i mean the other one.. no!

voretaq7

I still twitch when I think about it. twitch twitch

google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&q=42U+in+meters <- learn something new every day. Apparently Google's units converter knows what a U is

Tom O'Connor

Oh yeah, that's cool. :)

hobodave

test

Tom O'Connor

It worked.

jscott

test received

MarkM

15:13

testes...1...2

jscott

3?

MarkM

I'd get that checked out

voretaq7

@MarkM medicine.stackexchange.com?

MarkM

@voretaq7 There's a need for that. Every time I look on webMD it's like "you might have: headache, the common cold, mild flu, brain cancer"

voretaq7

@MarkM IT'S NEVER LUPUS! (except that one time)

MarkM

15:16

hahahaha

Tom O'Connor

@MarkM svn.stackexchange.com?

MarkM

@TomOConnor ?

voretaq7

Iain

@MarkM artificial ones come in a pack of 3

Tom O'Connor

@MarkM checked out, y'know, subversion, checkout.. lame joke.

voretaq7

15:17

aw man... finds better image that chat will like

MarkM

haha that's good @voretaq7

@Iain Really? That seems odd

pauska

huh

voretaq7

That's better.

pauska

"The Cooms Room: GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!"

Iain

@MarkM yeah for size matching

voretaq7

15:19

@pauska yeah, we should really change that to be "NEWS EVERYONE!"

MarkM

@pauska Yeah, the good news is that it's never lupus

voretaq7

@MarkM Except that one time...

MarkM

@Iain I wouldn't care about size matching. I'd want as large as humanly possible

voretaq7

@MarkM surgically implanted croquet ball?

hobodave

room topic changed to The Comms Room: GOOD NEWS EVERYONE! IT'S NOT LUPUS!

MarkM

15:21

@voretaq7 Elephant Tusk. Only the finest of ivory

voretaq7

@MarkM I would think that would be replacing a different component. One I'd go to great lengths to keep intact...

MarkM

@voretaq7 Think outside the box

Tom O'Connor

@Chopper3 you're sharp on the comments today :p

Chopper3

@TomOConnor pissed off I've been too busy to start drinking early

DanBig

Is the comms room quote from House?

Tom O'Connor

15:23

@DanBig Futurama, meets House.

DanBig

Because I read it in the voice of the professor from Furturama

voretaq7

@DanBig as you should.

DanBig

@TomOConnor, gotcha, personally I've never watched House, though, so i wouldn't get the reference there.

voretaq7

@MarkM an elephant tusk might think outside the bag. POINTY!

jscott

servefault.com -- Yes it works (default IIS7 page) over https though...

voretaq7

15:28

You were promised a site accessible over SSL. Nobody specified WHICH site. :-)
Also, IIS7 splash page = total ripoff of OS X intro video. But no shock there.

Kyle Brandt

@jscott: Ooopsy

djk

15:42

So the logon script is definitely not getting run. Added an echo to make it write out to a file. Nothing.

Serious head-scratching now.

pauska

vbs or batch script?

logon script for user or computer?

MarkM

@djk The user that you're testing with is definitely in an OU that has the GPO linked, and you forced it to update policy with gpupdate /force?

And its on a share that the user has permission to get to?

I'm headed off to get some corned beef and potatos for lunch. Later, suckers.

pauska

and check ntfs permissions on the script

djk

@MarkM Definitely on all counts.

@pauska permissions are ok too. I can run the script when logged in and it functions as expected

pauska

you mentioned rsop earlier

it should display wether or not your GPO gets applied

Feeds

15:54

The Nubby Admin: The Failure of a SysAdmin – A Tale of Laziness, Good Fortune and Self Loathing

posted on March 17, 2011 by Wesley David

I sat staring at a blinking insertion point in an open KeePass window. My mind was having trouble processing what was being seen. Moments earlier I had the need to log into a client’s Microsoft SBS 2008 machine that was humming along happily in an office about 600 miles away from me. That SBS box’s [...]

djk

the GPO gets applied, everything else works apart from the logon script.

it just appears to get ignored

pauska

@WesleyDavid: Upgrade the iLO firmware :P

@djk: event log on client computer doesnt give any hints?

is time/date syncrhonized with AD? tried net time /set ?

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