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00:00
@BenPilbrow Me too. Fun, isn't it?
I will just shut up
@coredump You can exit on the second door to your right...
:)
Just so everyone knows, @TomOConnor does not want tits.
I'd say he was unamerican... but... he is, so... yeah.
You guys make me giggle. In a strictly maniacal way.
@Jacob as one of my former teachers would say.. "Don't let the out-door hit you, where the good lord split you"
00:02
@Holocryptic riiiiight is that what you told little billy?
@TomOConnor My response to that teach would have been "When I figure out what that means, I'll come up with a crushing reply."
@WesleyDavid I have to agree with that
@Jacob We don't talk about little Billy.
@Holocryptic Billy ;drop table students; -- ?
No, that's Bobby Tables.
00:03
Little Bobby Tables, that one is.
Same difference.
Different than little Billy. Whom we don't speak of.
Is Billy vgv8's real name? :o
Nope. That's Charlie. And we beat him like a red headed step-child
@TomOConnor doesn't understand the reference.... Someone want to explain?
00:06
@Jacob No one understands what anyone else is saying at this time, we're all just making it up as we go. Don't worry.
It's Sunday. The good Lord said not to work on Sunday. I take that to it's logical conclusion and don't think, either.
@WesleyDavid Ah, a Lost In Translation. -- Anyone seen Oceans 12?
@Holocryptic I have to work...
@TomOConnor not recently. So almost as good as a no.
@Jacob sucks to be you. But you were all hell bent on getting work, so I say suck it up.
:)
@Holocryptic Well I have to start learning Objective C.... Not what I want to work on...
00:11
@Jacob I really want to make an awesome, witty Objective C related remark here. But I got nothing.
@jacob So you got a contract with someone? Starting your own freelancing?
I love watching Frasier on Youtube. It's still a hoot.
Right, I'm off to bed. Night all
later @BenPilbrow
Your comment regarding tats strikes me a bit humerous, @TomOConnor.
In the dark times, when I was working theatre, the gay men were at least as obsessed with them as the straights.
00:19
@packs That's good :)
Seeing that star was definitely one of those moments where your personal experience walks up, smacks you in the face, and says, 'Thought I still mattered didn't ye!' :)
Also, on the 'Newest Question' tab there are two questions about git right now. One asking about using ssh keys instead of passwords, and one about using passwords instead of ssh keys.
I think those guys should switch jobs.
Star crossed git lovers.
One of the four classic stories
One of the four basic stories; i.e., The Odyssey, Romeo and Juliet, Count of Monte Cristo, and the A-Team
There, now the star makes more sense :)
00:25
Why do I get the feeling that if we (the users of SF) were to get together in meat-space, it would end up with us naked, coked out of our skulls, watching Star Wars and playing D&D?
4
Unlikely. I get cold easy and mostly play Pathfinder now.
Am I to assume you recognized from whence that list came?
negative. But it sounded funny as hell
They're a...fun gaming podcast.
00:29
Time for bed, I think :)
When they use the phrase, "Dad, what's a donkey-punch?" in the intro to inform you that this is for adults, you know you're in for a ride.
Night night @TomOConnor!
@TomOConnor TaTas for now!
I see what you did there.
@packs I'll have to check them out
:)
Gnight! :3
00:34
XD
00:54
Hmm...what's the link that was being talked about?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Yikes, tits, do not want...when that shows up in the RSS feed, there must be something interesting going on.
@BartSilverstrim I missed it too
Someone deleted the link or something?
Nope. Nothing to see here. Move along.
00:55
@BartSilverstrim You know how Brazilians are.
No, I don't, give the link again.
@BartSilverstrim You guys missed alot...
mmmm, think about what ~85% of the Internet content is. And you'd have a rough idea.
Yeah, see, telling me that isn't helping.
I'm already on a government watchlist. I don't need SF mods hounding my ass too.
00:58
I swear if all of you were just using "boobs" in reference to your users, I'm going to be uber-ticked at all of you.
Here Here!
Not referencing users. Well, "users" is such a nebulous term....
01:16
Funny how I went to Barne's and Noble looking for a book on using XCode. I found a @#%^-ton of titles on programming for iPhone, but next to nothing on programming for the Mac. Strange.
@BartSilverstrim Well of course... Iphone will make you rich...
@BartSilverstrim I just can't get over that fact that you went to a brick and mortar store. That's crazy talk!
I happen to like brick and mortars. Sometimes. I can actually read some of the books to see if I really want them or not before ordering them on Amazon.
You could get a cheap safari subscription, and then read the whole book.
I can't be the only person in the world that looks at XCode and thinks, "Huh?"
01:20
Where you looking for the wrong thing? Shouldn't you have been looking for an Objective C book?
I did look at some of the objective C books too.
Again, many of them at the store target iOS development.
I was hoping for something that would describe using the IDE along with the language...like 90% of the MS languages just sort of assume VS Express is your environment so it's 70% language, 30% IDE.
Except the one I found "for absolute beginners" on obj-c. It started off going over Alice.
Then moved to XCode.
Amazon has some pretty bad reviews for it.
Seems like the best way to program is to hire a programmer.
Then beat on him when he gets snotty.
 
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03:22
am I alone here, or is this another one that shouldn't have left SO?
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Q: Which apache/mysql/php package is best for windows?

crosenblumI have tried appservnetwork, was the best so far, but I haven't seen them do an update in ages, EasyPHP is just slow to load always. Wamp and Xamp, all put in their description that is not for production. I do not plan to host publicly this site or site's I am working on. But I do want a fast lo...

@hobodave Agreed, this is happening WAY too much... :(
It's a developer asking what packages to install on his development machine, for development.
@hobodave but its highly subjective
i don't care about that
@hobodave Well the issue is were getting used as a question dump... SO goes alright guys lets dump the load.
03:28
yea I'm not getting involved in that, just saying that this particular question doesn't seem like it belongs
i saw that unfolding the other day, stayed out of it
@hobodave Yeah, I stayed to the sidelines too
 
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08:46
'morning twonks
G'morning to you too
G'day
09:10
hi2u
chopper3: upgraded dl380 g6 works beautifully, thanks for the memory tips
not very happy today, got plumbers in replacing our boiler, being noisy bastards, wish I'd been somewhere else
24 logical processors and 96GB ram is quite the punch in a 2U server
oh no problem, love 380's, best selling server in the world
And they're so quiet!
I even set it to static high performance mode (as you should), and the fans are almost soundless
discovered a really weird thing though
We use KVM connected to the back ports (mixed shop, so no iLO)
when a linux boots with framebuffer the back vga port goes blank.. only the front one works
glad you're happy, remember to setup iLO, did you buy the full pack
ah sorry, typing that as you typed about iLO - so you won't be setting it up?
09:14
not right now no
we have a mixture of dell and hp servers, so only regular kvm right now
we don't have any displays/kvms on any of our servers, not one, use iLO for everything
so wouldn't see the display issue you've seen
 
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10:40
quiet today
10:51
Bonjoury'all.
11:08
Hi
11:27
hi
Sam
Sam
Morning all
Morning.
11:44
I'm testing some things at the moment and want to put in a temporary software based router VM purely for NAT, what would you guys use? pfsense?
Probably, yes! It's lightweight and gentle on sensitive skin.
ah nice, thanks
pfsense 1.x
Haven't looked at pfsense in years. Do you know if it does multi-homed routing and dead gateway detection?
12:00
no idea, just looking now, just want a VM router to sit between layers in a test rig, could have gone 'out-then-in' to a 'real' router but it would be nice to have a VM one
erik, why v1.x not 2?
12:10
the last time I tried 2.0 it utterly sucked
the web ui kept hanging up on me
1.x works superb without any hiccups
just use E1000 nics
Afternoon!
brill, will do, thanks - oh and hi tom
@TomOConnor how was Barcelona ?
12:46
Free pint earning potential here:
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Q: As a bar owner, how can I block guest from using specific programs, like Spotify, over my free wifi?

HurraguttWhen guests log in to their Spotify account over the wifi, the bar gets thrown out. I would like a setup where I could still use Spotify, but have it blocked for our guests. Suggestions?

hmm this depends on where the bar is :)
I was just scratching my head at that. Apparently spotify doesn't like multiple logins from a natted address?
Or it overwhelms his connection?
"I will walk around your bar kicking people off spotify while my pint glass is still full"
Or he just doesn't like other people doing what he can do?
ahh he is probably using it instead of a jukebox
(didn't really know what spotify was)
12:52
Is that even legal? I'm not so sure.
I just block the central auth servers. That tends to kill usage.
He wants to have access himself while blocking his users.
well ... you can get a general licens from the music writers guild (forget the exact name right now)
Sam
Sam
@BartSilverstrim is spotify legal, or using it as a jukebox legal?
@BartSilverstrim I dunno, in the UK at least you have to have some form of public entertainment license to even play the radio in your own office
12:53
which allows you to play anything in thier catalog
Using it as a jukebox.
@BenPilbrow same in the US
but if the bar owner has it
they don't care where the music comes from
Some PRS suits will come round and threaten you unless you buy a license. The fee is entirely arbitrary.
(in the UK)
so ...the bar's license also covers dj's etc that come in
Sam
Sam
I'm not sure how it applys to bars, but most places just need to have a PRS licence to play music
12:53
Yeah sounds very much like our rules too
Sam
Sam
I believe they also have to be licenced to play music when they apply for their Alcohol licence
except - at least in PA, they can get your liquor license pulled or suspended too
the way things are going you should just require patrons to give their cell numbers then randomly call them every minute. The ringtones should provide more than enough music.
hahaha
Sam
Sam
Don't know how it is in the states, but over here you have to have a PRS licence to play hold music, or have a radio in the office
12:55
what's even worse are the TV licensing fees
@Sam yep - for on hold music at least
although the license is based off trunks
it's like 300$/year for 1 trunk or something like tha t
Sam
Sam
I don't really have a problem with the TV licence fee, it costs me around £100 a year for the BBC, which I think is worthwhile, especially with access to iPlayer
And to think I just canceled my satellite access at home...
@Sam oh no ... here there is a base fee based on capacity THEN there are different fees for different events
and it's not 100$
Sam
Sam
That does suck. At least for my £100 I don't get adverts as well.
My friend owns a bar, for a popular fight a few years ago they charged hime something like 9k to show it to a place with a max occupency around 300 people
Sam
Sam
12:59
But alot of people here end up paying a monthly fee for satellite tv anyway, which I think is a similar price to cable in the US
sooo complete rip off ? :)
Sam
Sam
Pretty much, you get hundreds of channels, mostly crap, or repeating the same stuff over and over again, with the occasional exclusive so you keep paying for it.
I'm quite happy with the free to air stuff we get, there's a reasonable selection now it's all digital
nice i'm actually amazed how much i've not missed tv now that i've cut back on watching it by at least 80%
Sam
Sam
Yeah, I don't watch that much. Most of the time I just download the things I want to watch, or watch them on the iPlayer, it's very rare I actually watch a program at it's scheduled time
That dude is spanish, they have their own version of the PRS (sgae.es), so if he pays his 'subs' he can play music from whatever service he likes, even stolen mp3 files if he likes
13:06
@Iain I fly out on Wednesday ;)
@Chopper3 same here ... although given RIAA keeps insisting songs are licensed and not sold, and you pay your license then technically you arn't pirating anything :)
ah - thought is was last week
ended up learning a bit more than I'd banked on about performing rights law
I love that Spotify question. It's almost not SF material, but needs to stay..
in fact one of the best things I've ever done was help build a system that took money from Phil Collins
13:08
DirecTV raised rates another $5...finally decided to get an AppleTV and spend some cash on select things to watch.
That freed something like $900/year.
@Chopper3 ROFL
@BartSilverstrim yea i think i'm gonna do the same thing when i move
They said they're sending an envelope for me to send back their cards...I don't know what good they are if they cancel the service for those cards, but okay.
My AppleTV gets quirky on me at times, but not to the point where I give up on it.
Yesterday it lost sound until I put it to sleep and woke it. That was strange.
There's only a couple shows we watch, we're usually on the computer at the same time anyway, and the TV was little more than background noise most of the time. I think we can live without it.
the UK PRS used to have a lot of problems getting radio stations to list what they'd played - and their rule was that in lieu of better data then a list of artists from a census in september 89 got the majority of the money, for some reason phil collins got a huge amount of this as his songs were played a lot that month or something (along with Sade too)
I did some design consultancy on the replacement system that uses PCs all around the country to listen to radio stations, use clever code and a database to figure out who's playing what and so the fidelity of the data went from <5% accurate to >95% - meaning collins and sade stopped getting so much cash and the money went to the right people :)
hahahah
@Chopper3: I thought you weren't in the coding side? Or was that some people in the team?
13:13
damnit, do you have any BORING projuects you work on ?
I did the network and server stuff, not the coding at all, very clever guys who did that
Supervillains have all the fun toys.
I said before that @Chopper3 is like the Willy Wonka of technology.
@Zypher well no, as a rule if I'm not interested in certain work I don't do it - but the opposite is true - if you let it be known you'll only work in interesting ground-breaking stuff that's all you get offered
Hang on I'm going to tell my boss to where to put our current roster of boring stuff and to give me something fun...
@BartSilverstrim sounds like you need a peon
13:16
Or an Oompa-loompa.
I'm tired of work. I need to become a manager.
the really clever part of that system was the maths that listen to the song, it only needed 15 seconds and could then match it to a database of over 2m songs. They'd actually had to buy a single cd of every album they could, analyse every song for this signature, store that then store the CD in a big warehouse in Hertfordshire in case they ever had to prove that they'd bought it
No iTunes? :-)
@Chopper3 nice ... are these the same guys that released that iPhone and Android app to find what is playing on the radio?
@Zypher are you talking about the one where you hold it to a speaker for a few seconds and it gives details on the artist and an offer to buy the song from iTunes?
13:18
@BartSilverstrim don't ever want to be a manager, if the project dictates that you manage people then do much as you can to get the right people and give them the tools and information they need then back the fuck off unless they're failing, never make it a mission to be a manager - it's pointless
@Zypher not seen that app so I don't know, they're london and cape-town based
@Chopper3 best boss I've every had did JUST THIS
it was a great time
I HAVE to speak to my management once a month, chose to do it weekly but that's my choice
the boss that goes "listen, i don't give a fuck, just get it working and explain how you did later" is gold
I'm known as "The JFDI Guy" by most :)
@Zypher Sure that's great, provided you're given enough details/requirements to meet their goals. Being told "Build me X", without major req's, can be difficult. Especially is you ask for more info and are told "Just get it working".
13:24
hahaha that almost looks like "the jEdi guy"
I wonder if the Spotify Barman is in Barcelona.
@jscott ahh ... i had enough latitude and seniority to get what i needed, and if that wasn't enough my boss would back all but my most hairbrained ideas
almost certainly in or around Madrid (going there in May actually)
"What did you do on your holiday. I earnt free drinks by helping a bar owner who posted on SF."
heh
hmm travel, that reminds me i need ot get my conferences booked
13:37
Methinks there ought to be more blue on this :/
uhh yea
a little :)
@Zypher I'm speaking at that Madrid one, can't remember what about though...
Mealsothinks that next time I should not trust someone else to set up the Nagios alert
@BenPilbrow: I can see some blue at the top. You're clearly not trying hard enough :P
@Chopper3 ah nice, don't think i'm gonna be able to swing 3 conferences ... LOPSA PICC (speaking) and O'reilly Velocity
13:41
this HP's kick off thing, bigging-up FCoE and westmere-ex
oh nice
alrighty gents ... time to get off the train ... and figure out wtf is wrong with my dc ... i shall talk youse later
Sam
Sam
good luck
13:59
@Chopper3: Going to tech ed atlanta by any chance?
nope
boo!
not my thing really
btw, about the storage @ work 2011
not a single mention of eva
3par all the way huh
yeah, seeing them next Wednesday in London actually, think we may finally be 'there' on pricing
them=3par sorry
14:06
yeah I got that
:)
14:25
sigh So many people misusing technology.... and 99.9% of the time they just need to RTFM.
Testing! Testing! Am I finally logged in for real?
yes, spending my morning fending off a client i did some network changes for
blaming everything on the changes
It's okay, its a fun game, as I prove time and again its not my firewall causing his problem, and that a more secure network will begin to reveal fragile or incomplete configuration elsewhere.
15:06
Why the heck don't HP printers have an Approximate Pages per Day counter... I can see how many it's printed, how many are remaining in the cartridge, and how long the cartridge has been in there...
Why why why would someone strip .pem files from emails???
@Cakemox They live in Microsoft land where that isn't a valid .cer or .pfx file.
http://serverfault.com/questions/247191/smtp-server-for-windows
I need to send 50k emails ASAP, help?
Tempted to tell him the only way to do it is to manually BCC all the recipients in an Outlook message window.
@SmallClanger Why bother with BCC?
15:21
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Q: smtp mail server

user48228I'm looking for smtp server form sending mass amount of mails I need to send 50K mails asap I'm running windows server 2008R2 Thanks

Toss that one too, it was migrated from SO
15:39
Hey guys...wondered if you could offer some world-view help for a stupid american.
Coming up with a list of world events from which students research one, and argue whether it still impacts today's society.
Being American, the list is somewhat ameri-centric, hoping for a world view of input.
Ideas of events?
Have things like The US Constitution
Issues of World War I
Issues of World War II
Assassination of Julius Caesar
Invention of the Internet
The Declaration of Independence
Martin Luther King, Jr. assassination
Abraham Lincoln’s support of the Emancipation Proclamation
The Attack on Pearl Harbor
The Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
The Collapse of the Soviet Union
Hitler’s rise and fall
The BP Oil Spill in the summer of 2010
Operation Desert Storm
The US Landing on the Moon (space exploration)
Invention of the laptop (portable computers)
Cession of the colonies ;)
Bloody @#% I didn't want all that copy/pasted.
Har de har har... :-p But I'll put it on the list in case.
put it on the list like that
15:43
except use secession. It might make more sense :)
Chernobyl/3mile island nuclear incidents
falklands war
@Holocryptic works either way
@Iain, I stand corrected.
The war of northern aggression
15:45
Ha ha cakemox.
French revolution
Sputnik
The Renaissance, invention of the marine chronometer (surprisingly important), the publishing of 'On The Origin of Species', the signing of the Magna Carta
Russian invasion of Afghanistan
Still bitter about the whole colony thing and the unwillingness to split the union thing...
Still sending all suggestions over to the teacher (thanks so far to contributors)
Exxon Valdiz / Torrey Canyon
15:47
I had said space race/sputnik and scopes monkey trial.
and american sugar taxes/corn subsidies
arpanet
Windows ME
GPS
World event not abominations.
Seward's Folly (Alaska)
15:49
GPS is interesting.
GPS is not an abomination!
how about the slaughter of native americans?
Slave trade
@Chopper3 we dont talk about that
we taught you how to do it of course, we have more experience by far :)
15:50
haha
indeed we do
I work with Indian guys Iain, we were horrible to them and they don't seem remotely bitter
The slaughtering or the trading part?
Independance of India/Pakistan
mostly the slaughter bit
15:52
@BartSilverstrim both
Ooh...salt trade.
Opium trade
spice trade
trade in general
rough trade
15:53
Boxer rebellion
Just in case anyone hasn't seen this yet, I've been laughing all morning - gawker.com/#!5781582
thought ie9 went live today
also did you see that there are 31 magnets between those ipad 2 covers and an ipad to ensure they lock in correctly - 31
10 in the ipad and 21 in the cover - ffs!
Magellan circumnavigating the world
15:57
rosa parks
the concept of open-source/CC
Rule 34
extinction of the dinosaurs
of course half you americans don't believe in that though right?
actually I've only ever met (well, that I'm aware) one person who believes the universe is only 10,000 years old and he was british, and a fuckwit
Hey don't judge all of us by the majority. We're also not good at math.
but bart, tell me you believe in dinosaurs
Of course I do. :-)

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