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13:00
nerds
this doesn't seem very SF to me serverfault.com/questions/439323/…
@MDMarra ayup
@Iain That guy's apparently very confused, but I don't think the question is blatantly off topic.
@MichaelHampton I guess it depends on how much access they have. Wanting to do it via php makes it fee like web hosting so it's quite hard for us to do anything
Agreed Iain
13:06
Eh, if he leased a server then he's almost certainly got root access to it. I think it's more likely he just doesn't know what he's doing.
no, my only way to acces the server is ftp / webinterface. I may write a script and execute it anyhow with php — Paedow 1 min ago
Dan
Dan
@MichaelHampton I think it's just web hosting
@MichaelHampton You actually think that he rented a dedicated server? that it's not a VPS?
or just web hosting ye
Yeah, that just looks like shared web hosting, then. Bye!
Is shared web host administration off-topic?
I mean, my gut says yes, but has that ever been decided?
13:08
Administering a shared web host is fine; we get lots of questions about that every day. Using a shared web host... not so much.
He's asking how to measure performance though
if someone asked how to measure performance of a vps, everyone would say "iperf"
Just because you can't say "iperf, dumbass" doesn't necessarily mean it's OT
You don't measure performance of a shared web host, as a user. You hope you're getting what you paid for most of the time and that they didn't horribly oversubscribe the service.
@MDMarra he doesn't have cli access
That's just the thing. He's not quite a "user", but also not a clear cut administrator of the server in question.
@Iain so CLI access is the measuring stick?
We'll find out, hopefully.
It doesn't sound like you leased a server at all. It sounds like you have just purchased shared web hosting. Can you clarify the exact nature of the service you purchased? — Michael Hampton 27 secs ago
13:11
@MDMarra it depends
If someone purchases shared web hosting, they're given a set of (limited) tools to manage it. They administer their little world through that crappy control panel.
He just edited the question to say he purchased shared web hosting.
@MDMarra that's all he has
Back to webmasters.SE with you!
@MDMarra He's definitely a "user" in this case... No administrative privilege over the server in any way.
13:12
@Iain Right, but does that makes it OT?
That's what I was asking, basically
Pretty much. There's a related meta question I'm digging up now.
I wasn't trying to lobby in favor of that question. I just didn't know that we had drawn that line that questions about shared web hosting were OT
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Q: Are cpanel questions really 'professional sysadmin' related?

EightBitTonyDo any professional sysadmins really use cPanel, rather than provide cPanel? To me, cPanel is indicative of non-professional (i.e. voluntary, spare time, personal) web hosting use? Sure, I can see questions from people who run hosting farms and provide cPanel for their users having a place here...

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Q: Questions belonging to intersection of webmasters.stackexchange and ServerFault

JP19Hi, Almost every webmaster deals with a server. So if he has a question regarding his server (like the following example), which site should he ask on: webmasters.stackexchange OR ServerFault. Example question: "Is it better to use lighthttpd+mysqllite instead of apache+mysql on low memory syst...

@MDMarra yes they're not really the sysadmin and it probably fails the testes
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A: Per our FAQ: What exactly does "Information Technology Professionals" scope the site down to?

Chris SThe FAQ was intentionally vague as "System Administrator" is too narrow. SF also caters to Storage Admins, Network Admins, Help Desk, and various other titles. The crux of the audience is that they must have: administrative privileges to "fix" the "problem" technical knowledge to understand t...

Well in that case, fuck it. Let's close phpMyAdmin questions too
I hate those
13:14
The gist of it is: you aren't an administrator if you don't have administrative access to the server. Being given an interface to manage a certain aspect of a service is not administrative access, even if they label the management interface as "admin".
@ChrisS and that's fine with me
I just didn't know we'd drawn that distinction
@MDMarra Too much work.... Maybe with a GreaseMonkey script...
I don't see why using phpMyAdmin would be on topic here at all.
@MDMarra and *AMP and .. and ... and ...
13:16
@MDMarra: If you have problems using phpMyAdmin, unless its something fun... you probably need to work on your skills a lot
hm
The thing with *amp is that plenty of people say LAMP when they mean they've installed the components separately.
@Iain At least the _AMPP questions are vaguely close... I could see the sysadmin of a web development company having to worry about it.
A lot of "problemz installing phpmyadmin"
@MDMarra: I see a lot of xampp
xampp, is... ugh
You do not use it unless you have no idea what you're doing
(well I did, when I was like 15/16)
WAMPP worked really well for my live Virus demonstration a week ago. =]
13:18
@ChrisS again context is everything the majority of _AMP questions we get are from 'devs' (loosely) popping over from SO
@Iain Yeah... That gets into the mess of "can we tell that you're definitely not a sysadmin"
@JourneymanGeek It's okay for quick dev enviroments - I'd be reluctant to use a pre-built stack in production although I had a stroke of devopsitis and deployed one to production for a month before I remembered about it.
@tombull89: thing is tho, If I were doing testing, I'd want something as similar to my actual environment as possible
Then again, I just throw together a quick VM at the slightest excuse
@JourneymanGeek Sure, but if you're just doing rudimentary development, it usually doesn't matter.
@MDMarra LAMP should probably be excluded from the *AMP list really as lots of sysadmins rum LAMP systems - it gets confusing that there are now LAMP packages that can be installed too
13:21
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Q: Saving data from Mysql to andorid using php

user1743553i am using php connection to copy mysql column in andoird sqllite . here is my cliente.php file this code working quietly as http://localhost/cliente.php showing me all contents now i have database into andorid name 'CLT' included one table name 'cl' and column name 'client' i want copy that mysq...

^ Now they're not even posting on SO. They're just posting their bad questions here directly.
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Q: How to set a CNAME for your domain, so other can use it?

CoderhsI wish to provide a service like how google does ( companyname.blogspot.com becomes blog.companyname.com ) from what I understand a CNAME of google is used to do so. My question is how do I make a CNAME for my domain that others can use

More SO crap
I'm not familiar with^[X|W|L]AMPP. Is it just a prepackaged cluster of apps?
@SmallClanger yeah
Sometimes people say LAMP or whatever to mean the actual application stack, but most times it's a pre-built package with wide open security settings meant for dev use only
Giving the inexperienced enough rope to hang, draw and quarter themselves.
@SmallClanger Linux Apache MySQL PHP which in general in the Linux world is installed as separate packages. Windows/Mac has various *AMP packages that are one click install for (mainly) developers
It's the same with a lot IIS and Exchange deployments I used to see - when you make something so simple that even an idiot can use it then you shouldn't be surprised when lots of idiots use it and get into trouble.
13:29
Hey @RebeccaChernoff, Can you guys make it so that SO stops migrating things to us? :)
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Can't you just sort of...turn off...migrations from SO?
Or stops migrating crap to us. Which in their case is the same thing.
It's quickly approaching a 25% rejection rate and it's only rising.
Oh, I run plenty of LAMP stacks. It's the pre-packaged aspect I wasn't aware of. It doesn't strike me as necessary, but then that's perhaps because I know stuff about the individual bits.
@SmallClanger Yeah it's really meant for devs to get running on their local machines
It's aimed at the type of people that say things like "It works on localhost but not on the site"
@SmallClanger on Ubuntu you can now install tasksel and then use it to install LAMP which you then control as one service
13:31
Good morning all!
Good afternoon
@MDMarra when someone says ...my localhost... you can generally stop reading
@Iain Ugh. Sounds like SBS for web servers. Too monolithic and interconnected to be useful for much.
@Iain not as one service, its just a metapackage
13:33
what the fuck is tasksel
@MDMarra: debian thing, lets you install sets of packages for specific roles through CLI
@DJPon3 I'd argue with you, except you live in server zulu time.
13:35
$TimeZoneNeutralGreetings
@MDMarra It's a wrapper around a helper around a supporting app for dpkg. :P
^ what @Iain said. Always the safest ;-)
@DJPon3 I actually have to call London at the top of the next hour, and I'm headed there on a plane this evening.
morning
Dan
Dan
13:54
@JustinDearing Going anywhere nice?
@JustinDearing To be fair, we're not in Zulu at the minute - that's a few weeks away
14:07
It's rather cold and damp here at the moment. Not a shocker given the time of year but pack warm clothes!
r0ar
And I'm out of close votes.
The OPs comment serverfault.com/q/439332/9517 here, what's not clear about my/@MDMarra comments ?
@Iain He's only asked two questions
and they're both terrible
@Iain you're looking at this the wrong way
first drive an ice pick through your eye socket into your brain
then squish it around in there a bit
THEN read your comments and you'll see them from a proper user's standpoint
14:20
@MDMarra I noticed, I can't figure out how he didn't understand our comments
exxcepting of course that I haven't done as @voretaq7 suggests above
I'm really not worried about pleasing a 1 rep user that's asked two off-topic questions and doesn't read comments.
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Definitely not the kind of person we're after
@Iain I think he works where I do. He's also having trouble finding an 86 bit operating system, if he's the guy I'm thinking of.
@HopelessN00b Wait are you serious?
@MDMarra Yeah. Either that or there are two idiots trying to do the same stupid thing with a MySQL database... which I guess is possible... but I it helps my mood to err on the side of underestimating the number of idiots in the world.
Dan
Dan
@HopelessN00b Someone once said "Yeah, we're running it on times eighty-six" to me once :D
14:26
@Dan Yeah, exactly. I'm not sure if having a very little bit of knowledge and very basic logic skills is better or worse than being completely clueless.
Well, "x64" is 64 bit, so x86 must be 86 bit...
sigh
Interesting spam phone call just now: "Sam at BT" to notify me of some engineering works on my local exchange. She then asked me how many handsets I had on site. When I asked why she needed to know that and what the job number was, she hung up.
Wonder what she was after...
@MDMarra Up to 25%... Can probably hit 30% by going through the list of migrations and closing the crap. There's 180 pages of migrated Questions, took me 4 pages to get an additional 1%. =]
@ChrisS in the "My DC is broken" one that you just locked, did you notice that his DC is multihomed
And is using itself first for DNS resolution?
No wonder he's having problems
@SmallClanger Next time, mess with them a little to find out. "I don't know how many handsets we have... we're a call center, so something like 800..."
@MDMarra I locked something recently?
14:29
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Q: Domain controller malfunction

user1452932We have one domain and two domain controllers (on Windows Server 2008 Enterprise). For about a week, we have enormous problems: some users can't log in to Windows (domain could not be contacted). Sometimes restart of Windows helps, but mostly it doesn't. As administrator, I can't log in to DC0...

Guess it's not locked
I read your bottom comment and assumed you locked it
@HopelessN00b I wish I had, now. A couple more questions I would at least have been able to discern whether it was dodgy telemarketing or some sort of phishing attempt.
@MDMarra Didn't want to prevent people from posting Answers... Unfortunately I can't lock comments only. Didn't read the Q or the mess of comments. =]
Short story:

Halp, authentication is broken.

Moar details pls.

Ok, here's details.

Lol, you're fucked.
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@SmallClanger This is why I always converse with telemarketers and interesting spammers. Besides, provides a handy outlet for my malice and sadistic cruelty.
@MDMarra there is an automagic flag for >20 comments in 3 days, it's meant to catch heated debate. On SF more often than not it catches stuff like that where someone with lots more patience than required is attempting to help
14:35
@HopelessN00b Pickup phone. "Hawo, tis its telwa markitr". Put phone down, push mute, let them talk to the desk for a while.
people can use any username they want serverfault.com/users/140549/matthew-zielonka-co-uk the domain has no A records
@ChrisS Sure, when I'm too busy to vent some of my cruelty to a deserving target, but I find it oddly satisfying to string some PoS spammer along for as long as I can. Closest I come to doing a service for the betterment of my fellow man.
@HopelessN00b I've had a few conversations with Nigerian scammers, Venezuela too. None interesting enough to put on a webpage though.
@HopelessN00b If you haven't seen it already: 419eater.com
@ChrisS Yeah, I was just going to mention that. Good for a laugh, and a tiny bit of curious jealousy, wondering how I could pull something like that off.
Post an ad on Craig's List for something expensive, like a car... Price it high enough that no reasonable person would ever be interested. Wait for the scammail. =]
14:41
How long should it take to install Symantec Endpoint for a 10-user site?
@ewwhite Few hours.
Unless there's something funky going on. So what funky thing is your client doing?
@HopelessN00b I've left a customer waiting for a (gulp) few months.
and was going to try to knock it out today.
Anyone use alternate UPNs?
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A: Define an "alternate" login domain for Active Directory

MDMarraThis is possible. It's called a UPN and can be whatever you want. In Active Directory Domains and Trusts you can define a new UPN for your forest. It then becomes select-able on the Account tab of a user account in ADUC. So if your domain is Domain1 and you define domain2.whatever as a UPN suffi...

@HopelessN00b Using Symantec Endpoint is pretty funky to start with
If you do, can you chime in on the comments on that?
14:43
@ewwhite Should be doable. And blame Symantec. If it's not their fault, their support's bad enough that they have it coming anyhow. :)
@ChrisS Yeah, but what AV product isn't? Especially once you get to enterprise/business level, they're all a trainwreck.
@MDMarra I'm pretty sure UPN only applies to the "@" style username, not the NetBIOS style.
That what I thought too, but I've never used it outside of a test lab
@HopelessN00b I suppose... We use MS Forefront... Not a trainwreak, but there's no live communication (it's 100% asynchronous).
What do you mean by Live Communication?
So there was a debate last night!
14:47
Wow, you can tell I've been working with Office Live Communicator by the way I capitalized that :p
@ChrisS Wow, talk about different tastes. I can't think of a product line I like less off the top of my head.
@ewwhite Did both candidates survive, or is this election crap finally over yet?
@HopelessN00b I fricking hate their e-mail and sharepoint scanners... But the client AV seems to work fairly well.
Does this make sense to anyone?
It would be a bandwidth issue. Not all controllers utilize full bus bandwidth. Pairing controllers by striping between them can increase bandwidth. It depends on the hardware you have when this is or is not a benefit. It tends to be a benefit for lower priced hardware. — Skaperen yesterday
^ As a defense of using software RAID on top of hardware RAID
@HopelessN00b Something about "Binders full of women"
@MDMarra When you request a status update from a client, or a network sweep or something, you have to wait for the client to check-in and get the task, completes it, then at next check-in will report back.... It takes a lot of time.
14:49
@ChrisS Their clients are higly alright, it's the server-side stuff that just rubs me the wrongest way possible.
@ChrisS Oh. McAfee defaults to the client checking in every 5 minutes
You can set priority updates for things like critical-level infections that are sent immediately
Other than that, there's up to a 5 minute lag time
@MDMarra Sounds about the same here... I've just used AV packages in the past where the client establishes a long lived connection with the server, so when you request something the client responds almost immediately.
@MDMarra I'm not sure what to make of that, actually. Other than RAID on top of RAID not being the smartest idea ever.
Dan
Dan
@MDMarra There is never a defence for that
14:51
Right, I mean most SAS disks are multiport anyway and natively support dual controllers
Plus it's just dirty
And would there even really be a performance increase?
I don't know many who do the dual-porting thing except for real SAN and big ZFS solutions.
Dan
Dan
@MDMarra I don't even know a) What it would protect against b) How you'd fixed a failed stated
@ChrisS When I was younger (i.e. a baby) my dad gave the phone to me and let me burble away happily to the salesperson.
@MDMarra Well, how else would you get better performance out of your old 5400 RPM IDE drives when you put them into RAID on a server??
@ewwhite That's what I'm saying. In the edge case that you've got multiple controllers, you've probably got that situation handled 100% in hardware already
14:52
@tombull89 good to let salesdroids converse with someone closer to their level
hey, I'm in the comms room at the same time as @ewwhite! brb, buying lottery ticket
Oh, come on...
@basil... I'm working with some cheapo hardware (Supermicro), and wanted to understand some things about bigger storage environments.
@Skaperen I don't really think that would be the case. Consider the following: SAS disks natively support multiple controllers. Most servers are single controller. A box that needs multiple controllers will usually be either a dedicated storage device (NAS) or a SAN node. In these cases, the native support for multiple controllers on SAS disks far outweigh the clusterfuck that can happen by layering software RAID on top of hardware RAID. Using it in the way you describe is a serious edge case that people will design their architecture around avoiding. — MDMarra 5 secs ago
We give customers Direct/Internal storage, Isilon, and VNX as options.
^ Does this sound right, re: software raid on hardware raid
14:57
Only case I could see for software on top of hardware is to get around LUN size limits.
like HP's 2TB LUNS
Quiz time! What would cause this effect on a screen? I guess excess pressure (like holding the screen/lid instead of the base).
@tombull89 I would have made a jizz joke...
@tombull89 Ya dude, that's physically damaged
@tombull89 well it wasn't shattered or we'd see lines between them. So I'd say, yeah, somebody applied point pressure to those spots.
This is probably not covered under your warranty.
14:59
@tombull89 Excessive heat will do that too. Was someone putting out cigarettes on the back of the screen, maybe?
@tombull89 oooooooooh you BROKE IT!

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