The Comms Room

Joel E Salas

20:00

@MikeyB What did you do to earn this ill fate? (learning web development, I mean)

MikeyB

@JoelESalas Personal interest. Plus the desire to write a few little utility apps for my Playbook.

Michael Hampton

I've been testing Zenoss (and various other similar products) for the past couple of months. Tomorrow I get to put Zenoss into production.

MikeyB

I figure that while I'm at reduced functionality is a good time to learn javascript.

Joel E Salas

@MikeyB It may make more sense than when you're healthy, yes.

I have avoided all client-side web programming successfully so far. I hope to maintain this track record

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Q: Virtual machine management on windows using vagrant and veewee

I wish to use vagrant and possibly VeeWee to construct and maintain virtual machines to automate some testing of servers etc. I am having problems getting them up and running on windows. Is there any are there any takes-nothing-for-granted setup blog posts or instructions anywhere? I live in a ...

Michael Hampton

Product, service and learning recommendations...

Adrian

20:19

@ewwhite I want to know enough about that stuff to understand where it's being misused so that I don't get caught in the gears, so to speak.

@RebeccaChernoff And while I can go make my own soup, it a little tougher to roll my own after a ServerFault rejection.

@MichaelHampton How does that thing not have 15 VTCs dropped on it.

Michael Hampton

@Adrian You people are slacking, that's why.

Adrian

@MichaelHampton I ran out of VTCs 2 hours ago.

There's 1100 more in the queue....

Michael Hampton

Yeah, I think SF needs to be bumped up to 50 close votes/day like SO.

ewwhite

@Adrian I don't think it's useful.

Adrian

@ewwhite perhaps. Judging by the people I talk with, I think this town is perhaps even more DevOps-oriented than what you've been doing.

ewwhite

20:23

@Adrian deploy a bunch of servers... then what?

Adrian

Even Starbucks has adopted DevOps practices for some of their teams.

WesleyDavid

@JoelESalas BRB, googlebombing "Joel E Salas" to show the wikipedia page for LSD as #1.

Adrian

@ewwhite I don't want to use the blasted thing, I just don't want to get hit with a Mack Truck that says 'Jenkins' on the side.

Michael Hampton

Don't EVER give the devs root access to production servers.

ewwhite

@Adrian I talked to another devops place last week...

and they really just needed direction... best-practices

certainly not enough work for a real engineer.

and I think it's a little limiting.

Adrian

20:26

@ewwhite That's not too surprising. Honestly, that's what's going on with my place. They don't have enough work or budget to keep a good engineer busy.

ewwhite

@Adrian COnsulting, NOC operations, Managed hosting, cloud services.

You want to be in a place where you can learn and have an impact and be exposed to more than one environment.

Adrian

@ewwhite Yeah. That's why even though I don't trust Amazon much, I'm considering giving that a shot.

Rebecca Chernoff

@Adrian soup? o:

ewwhite

@Adrian Maybe... but I could see you getting lost there, too.

Michael Hampton

What do I do with duplicate answers? (I'm currently reviewing Late Answers)

Adrian

20:30

@RebeccaChernoff The Soup Nazi routine.

Rebecca Chernoff

oh right lol

coincidentally, guess what I just finished having for my late lunch? >_<

Adrian

@ewwhite Perhaps. There's always job listing for people to drive forklifts in this town.

@RebeccaChernoff 3:30 is a little late for lunch. It's Lunner or Lupper by that point?

Maybe Linner.

Rebecca Chernoff

details schmetails.

Adrian

@RebeccaChernoff But you're talking to geeks. We're not much more than a ambulatory embodiment of OCD.

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And yeah. Something like 36 Close Votes would be nice. I run out by lunchtime most days.

Michael Hampton

I once ran out at 13:30 UTC.

Shane Madden

20:40

Migrations really shouldn't keep all their upvotes.

6

Q: 504 Gateway Time-out after php fatal error

I'm using nginx and php-fpm to develop a symfony2 based website, under ubuntu 12.10 (yes, I know I'm using a beta OS). Everything was working out fine until, due to an error on my code, I called an unexisting function, and got the following: Fatal error: Call to a member function (....) This i...

php nginx php-fpm

ewwhite

I like, "yes, I know I'm using a beta OS"

1

Q: Should the virtualization host be allowed to run any service?

I recently setup a virtualization server for the small company I'm running. This server runs few virtual machines that are used for development, testing, etc... My business partner works from a remote location, thus I also installed a vpn server on the virtualization host to make it possible for...

ubuntu security virtualization

Michael Hampton

Did you see his OTHER question?

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Q: Using a virtual machine as a server in DMZ

I have an Ubuntu 12.04 server running few virtual machines with KVM. I would like to expose some of these virtual machines on the internet, to make it possible for customers to test the products we're developing and make available other products for demo purposes. One of the server NICs is conf...

virtualization kvm-virtualization linux-networking dmz ufw

ewwhite

Oh no...

he shouldn't

this doesn't sound like a good solution

Iain

@ShaneMadden `is that as off topic as it looks ?

Michael Hampton

@Iain Not off topic per se, just a crappy question

Shane Madden

20:48

@Iain Maybe, maybe not. Strikes me as a likely bug in either nginx's fpm module or fastcgi itself, but the fact that he's running on a beta server OS is a pretty good indication that it's not a professional environment.

Adrian

@ewwhite So what's the deal with that anyway? Assuming there's a device doing stateful packet inspection in front of the VMWare host, I'd think that it's fairly safe to offer services hosted on the VMWare box to the outside.

ewwhite

@Adrian he's not using VMWare...

Ubuntu with KVM...

and that opens up a whola lotta more issues.

Adrian

@ewwhite Ok. Point. So how exactly does that change the equation?

Michael Hampton

It's bloody Ubuntu.

Adrian

evenin' @Chopper3. Pleasure to see you join us.

ewwhite

20:51

If it were vmware, VPN services to the host would not even be available

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Yes, I've got a dozen of those festering puddles of shit out there.

Iain

@ShaneMadden @MichaelHampton gotcha and nuked it

ewwhite

I think it just makes sent to VPN to the endpoint device. Firewall. When a Cisco ASA 5505 is $500-$600, there's no excuse not to have a proper hardware firewall.

Adrian

Oh. Fsck. I thought he was doing this with VPN into the clients, not the host.

ewwhite

Client VPN, SSL VPN, site-to-site, native Mac support, good mindshare... And no silly problems like what @ethabelle has to deal with.

Adrian

20:53

@ewwhite Given the level of IT awareness of most business owners, they will not be able to grasp the differences between an ASA and a Netgear, and the Netgear price is 1/3 the Cisco's.

ewwhite

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Q: Juniper SSG 5 VPN

I have a host who set up our Juniper SSG 5 VPN with Firmware version-6.2.0r5.0 I've been trying to set up VPN on it using this guide: http://kb.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=content&id=KB4094 I've followed the steps and on my Mac, whenever I try to connect using L2TP over IPSec I get the...

vpn ipsec juniper l2tp

Michael Hampton

21:12

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Q: Self Hosted Dropbox Alternative?

Does anyone know of any self-hosted Dropbox alternatives? We have a need to share files/folders between staff and partners (small scale) and for various reasons we'd prefer to host it ourselves. Sharepoint seems a little too focussed on "check in/check out" and things like webdav/ftp seem a lit...

collaboration dropbox

Iain

@MichaelHampton ... ?

Michael Hampton

It's an old shopping question

Iain

Ah I generally don't read em if people don't say why they dropped em in here as I assume it's rep-whoredom

Joel E Salas

@WesleyDavid Does google bombing still work?

Michael Hampton

Oh yeah, I really need to whore some rep

I'm at -129 for the day

Shane Madden

21:16

Hmm. An almost instant upvote on a really awfully incomplete question.

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Q: Default DocumentRoot directory redirects to a VirtualHost in Virtualmin

When I try to access DocumentRoot it redirects to one of my VirtualHosts, I can't see contents in /var/www/html. It's under Virtualmin 3.94 How can I fix this please?

apache2 virtualhost virtualmin documentroot virtualserver

Voting for himself from a different account maybe?

Michael Hampton

Yeah, dunno how that happened. I threw up a downvote on it.

ewwhite

maybe someone can really help this.

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Q: Small store infrastructure - where to begin?

It looks like my older brother is about to change jobs - from lawyer to shooting range proprietor - and since I'm the family 'computer guy' I have the task of coming up with and setting up the in-store equipment. Only problem, I don't know how to start or where to look. I'm a web programmer, no...

infrastructure small-business

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I really want to tell the guy to hire an expert, or at least talk to some vendors.

Iain

@MichaelHampton that'd be a valid comment

Adrian

Not sure why they're trying to roll their own. I'm sure there's a not-terribly-expensive commercial solution out there for this exact thing. I know my local range has done so.

ewwhite

21:28

Call MICROS... call a local PC tech... outsource email and web hosting... Call a security firm...

Iain

@ShaneMadden good spot looks suspicious

ewwhite

@Iain Good tactic.

Adrian

21:55

@Iain I generally assume that any regular that drops a Q in here is indicating that it needs to die. I usually make some pithy remark if I'm just rep-whoring.

Michael Hampton

I don't need to rep whore anymore.

That particular shopping question keeps coming back and coming back and the close votes age off before it actually gets closed.

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Honestly, there aren't enough active 3k users to keep high view-count questions from aging off before it gets enough.

Iain

@Adrian hence the reason to vote more

Michael Hampton

@Iain We keep running out of close votes!

Adrian

@Iain Yes. I've got 2 more hours before I roll over, and the downvoting of crappy answers is killing me the past few days.

Iain

22:00

if you see someone who know's what they're talking about then upvote them we need more clueful people to battle the cluelessness

upvotinting the cluefull is ultimately more productive than downvoting the clueless

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Michael Hampton

I tried that. The system complained that I needed to vote on more questions.

Adrian

To be perfectly honest, the .SE interface seems to be poorly suited to finding excellent answers.

Iain

@MichaelHampton tbh I'd prefer that the system nag people who don't vote, rather than nag people who do, about how they vote

Michael Hampton

Oh, SE is great at highlighting good answers. What it sucks at is drawing good questions.

Iain

@Adrian short snappy and slightly snarky/sarcastic wins over detail every time

Adrian

22:08

@Iain Yes. Very true. Hmm. I appear to only have 5 votes left today anyway.

Joel E Salas

22:27

Does installing VMware tools constitute paravirtualization?

Basically you're taking regular virtualization and telling the VM, "You are a VM"

ewwhite

@JoelESalas eh, maybe... why?

Adrian

What the holy fuck?

Can moderators edit comments?

Michael Hampton

Yes

Adrian

Ah. That explains this:

This does not provide an answer to the question. To critique or request clarification from an author, leave a comment below their post - you can always comment on your own posts, and once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post. — Adrian 8 hours ago

Michael Hampton

@Adrian You didn't review that in late answers just now?

or 8 hours ago?

Adrian

22:33

Cuz I think we all know it'd be a cold day in hell before I wrote THAT

Michael Hampton

That's auto-generated comment after you review the answer and select to delete it as not an answer.

Adrian

oh. Okay. That makes sense. Cuz there's no way in hell I'd have written THAT text within 10 minutes of waking up.

It would've been closer to GTFOff my Lawn.

Michael Hampton

serveritsyourfault.com, I'm tellin ya

Dinnertime! Back eventually.

Iain

bedtime,catch you if you're on the late shift in your $timezone

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite It's really just a matter of semantics, I'm trying to figure out the nitpicky differences between virtualization and paravirtualization

WesleyDavid

22:45

@JoelESalas I was under the impression that, to drastically oversimplify, paravirtualization had more overhead and layers between the virtual machines and the hardware layer.

Joel E Salas

@WesleyDavid From my learnings, paravirtualization is when you modify the guest to have more interaction between the host and guest, like VMware tools

In "plain" virtualization, the guest VM runs an unmodified OS/kernel/driver/whatever

WesleyDavid

So I think Hyper-V is considered paravirtualization as is KVM since it's a modified kernel of a larger general OS, rather than dedicated build of a very specific hypervisor

Hence Hyper-V needs Integration Components for the guest to have full use of the host hardware.

Joel E Salas

@WesleyDavid It's paravirtualization because the GUEST is modified, not because the host is modified

WesleyDavid

@JoelESalas That's not entirely what I've read.

But, everyone likes to contradict everyone else.

Joel E Salas

That's why I'm confused! I'm not sure which piece of the puzzle I'm missing, but it seems like the differences matter to neckbeards and no one else

The rest of us just want our fucking VMs to work

Adrian

22:51

Last I heard, VMWare recommends the para drivers and not the full virtual drivers due to performance improvements

Joel E Salas

@Adrian Performance is one of the reasons to go with paravirtualization if the guest OS's kernel supports it, and the VMM supports it

You take a bunch of common operations and let the VMM do it faster and smarter than each VM could on its own

ewwhite

right, doesn't matter

use best practices...

e.g. on RHEL 6, use the PV drivers

WesleyDavid

@JoelESalas Having fun with the openstacks?

Joel E Salas

@WesleyDavid The openstacks is why I started digging into PV stuff

MDMarra

23:08

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Q: How to Disable secondary drive from booting upon restart - Windows

I had a Windows 2003 Hard Drive on my server and it went bad so I installed a new clean hard drive and installed Windows 2008 R2 on the new clean drive. I moved the old 2003 drive to be used only for general storage on the same computer. It usually boots into Windows 2008 upon a restart, but ju...

windows windows-server-2008 windows-server-2003 boot

Read some of that guy's other questions

He has no clue

Joel E Salas

@MDMarra Let's gang up on him and be mean

MDMarra

Heh

ewwhite

meanies

MDMarra

I answered the question that I linked to

I feel bad for him

I was mean to the guy that's at -1 though.

His answer was to install grub on to a production windows server

Adrian

@MDMarra And me out of votes already

MDMarra

23:15

for shame

WesleyDavid

@MDMarra Wow, that takes balls.

Michael Hampton

ewwhite

23:32

Should I cancel my paid Experts Exchange account?

Adrian

@ewwhite ROI.

ewwhite

I never go there

jscott

Kill

-1

Q: Please Vote For Hazards To Win MTV Brand New

me and my band Hazards have made it to the final stage of the MTV Brand New competition. This contest could change our lives so we need as much support as possible and as many votes as possible! So Please give us your Vote! If you give me your vote I will vote for you in return. brandnewunsigned...

music

Michael Hampton

Daily vote limit reached; vote again in 22 minutes.

jscott

@MichaelHampton Flags and Closes as well?

Michael Hampton

23:39

Plenty of flags. Burning close votes.

jscott

@MichaelHampton Excellent work, thanks for helping.

Michael Hampton

I couldn't downvote it, sorry. I threw up a flag and VTC

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Yeah, I'm out of both types too.

Michael Hampton

I only have close votes left because I wasn't here most of the day. And it's Saturday.

Whoever said that removing the trailing slash had any effect on SEO was smoking something illegal and needs to share. — Michael Hampton 44 secs ago

Adrian

Thankfully I do have comment upvotes left.

jscott

23:45

@Adrian Is there a limit on those as well?

Adrian

@jscott Someone told me there was.

ewwhite

23:57

Canceling all of my recurring credit card accounts.

like Experts Exchange...

Michael Hampton

Oh? I missed the (removed) bit.

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