The Comms Room

David

16:04

Jeez, I sure under-dressed today

way colder than I thought it was gonna be

voretaq7

@David nekkid?

David

haha no

just extra chilly, grey, and a bit windy

Is it too early for most dudes here?

voretaq7

@David no its really quiet today for some reason

David

i changed my hours from 10-3 to 9-2

so i can get a bike ride in after work before sunset

Chris S

That's only 5 hours?

Yesterday was more active than usual; today's dead... In 5 minutes there might be 100 people in here...

David

16:14

yeah, I work part-time @ChrisS

15 hours a week, which i choose to split into 3 five-hour days

Chris S

I work 8:30-5:30 EDT right now, but it changes over the year; tax season is coming up soon and I'll be switching to 8:00-4:00 in about 2 months.

David

I just realized today that my plan to get out of work an hour earlier to beat sunset (so I can get in a solid bike ride after work) will be thwarted by DST on 11/4 or 11/5

:(

Chris S

You mean the lack of DST... We're currently in it.

Adrian

mornin' Gents.

Chris S

Good morning West coast

Quarter after nine? That's pretty early for that side of the country to be at work.

Adrian

16:18

@ChrisS And a Fine morning to you as well, Lower Peninsula. =)

Chris S

@Adrian We're Trolls... Trolls live under bridges.

Adrian

@ChrisS I grew up in Illinois and New York. I haven't completely gone native yet.

Chris S

@Adrian That would explain it.

Adrian

@ChrisS We have one too. He's about 20 feet tall and lives under the Aurora Bridge.

Fremont Troll

The Fremont Troll (also known as The Troll, or the Troll Under the Bridge) is a piece of public art in the Fremont neighborhood of Seattle, Washington in the United States. Description The Troll is a mixed media colossal statue, located on N. 36th Street at Troll Avenue N., under the north end of the George Washington Memorial Bridge (also known as the Aurora Bridge). It is clutching an actual Volkswagen Beetle, as if it had just swiped it from the roadway above. The vehicle has a California license plate. The Troll was sculpted by four local artists: Steve Badanes, Will Martin, Donna Wa...

David

EPIC WIN

wrote a paper for history in 3 hours, from start to finish, didn't proof-read it

Chris S

16:20

@Adrian Too cool!

David

has to have been sloppy and unorganized, also i didnt read much of the book

got a 91/100, "Very strong paper, David!"

Adrian

@David In English Lit I once got away with reading 6-7 chapters of a Ralph Waldo Emerson biography. Instructor was so impressed by the variety of material I presented in the dissertation that I got a A.

David

nice

Adrian

Everybody was giving me shit for it, and I pointed out that I read 1/5th the book and fewer pages than they did, but impressed the instructor by what I did read and could present instead of their much shorter and shallower books.

The resulting F bombs were music to my ears. =)

David

I was pretty worried about my paper, I tend to take 3-4-5 classes and slack to hell in 1-2 of them

and history is that 1 this semester

but i feel better now!

I had a few semester streak of 4.0s

but then I got 2 As and 2 Cs

Adrian

16:28

WhyTF do people around here think of the most complicated solution first? They want to do a web meeting so they try to RDP into an old Windows 2k3 server and try run IE6 then go and update Mozilla after swiping the Admin password from a padawan and then try to install SilverLight on it and then complain that the video is choppy and the sound sucks.

sysadmin1138

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Q: As a sysadmin, what sites do you visit that help solve your problems?

With so many sources of help and information out there, what do you, as system administrators, turn to if you are trying to solve issues or get information involving your site or your position? I know that I turn to Google, but that really is not a site but an excellent search engine. Yes, I ...

Adrian

And then they act all shocked when I point out that we have laptop checkouts...

sysadmin1138

This is the exact kind of question I spent the last two days burning with fire.

Adrian

Well, it got 3 VTCs in 3 minutes, I think.

Speaking of crap questions. Maybe a couple more VTCs on this Kmart Shopper?

-1

Q: Is there an MSI installer for tomcat 6 anywhere?

I'm trying to use puppet to install tomcat on a Windows server. It seems that using an MSI is best for puppet, because you can then use the package provider - which would simplify future upgrades. I've found loads of links and references to the "Tomcat MSI Installer" online, but all links end up...

tomcat windows-installer puppet

voretaq7

@Adrian wait...

why is that padawan still alive?

Adrian

16:41

@voretaq7 Because the requestor was the Dev Lead?

Otherwise they'd already be deader than said doornail.

voretaq7

@Adrian your dev leads are entitled to admin passwords?

Adrian

On another note, Dice.com sent me a nice little email this morning pointing out that they think I'm an excellent match for an open system engineer position at Amazon's Global Payment Services division that was posted Wednesday.

David

All those sites send me stuff like that, for jobs I'm nowhere near qualified for.

Adrian

@voretaq7 Oh yes. They even have the combination to the key safe so that they can go in the tape safe and get the master password list.

@David I'm actually pretty close to all their basic qualifications with the exception of their preference for Perl. My Perl stinks.

David

Mine are always like "hey guy who's worked in IT for less than a year, you'd make a great senior database administrator!"

thats also 1400000 miles away from you

Adrian

16:45

I may keep Amazon in mind. The listing DID point out that it's a 12x7 on-call rotation, not a 24x7 since India covers part of it.

voretaq7

@Adrian . . . . jesus henrietta christ

@Adrian yanno you can learn perl pretty quickly...

David

@Adrian i know a guy that works @ Amazon

Adrian

@David And I know a lot of people that used to and left because it's fscking nuthouse.

voretaq7

Anyone know how to make JQuery tree items clickable links? :P

84104

@voretaq7 Are you trying to attract SO?

Adrian

16:46

@voretaq7 Yep. My camel book's at home in a box and the office's copy of Automating System Admin with Perl is above my head.

voretaq7

@84104 no I'm trying to avoid going there and asking a question :P

Adrian

I'm fairly sure that SDE position listing at Amazon is simply refreshed each month though. They have so many open positions that they're always hiring to replace the people that walk out.

Who knows. Might even be worth trying Google, though the GF doesn't like that idea much. She doesn't want me to disappear behind the Google Event Horizon and turn into a pod person.

84104

@voretaq7 You forgot to say the magic word. :P

voretaq7

@84104 "server"?

84104

(I don't know JQuery).

voretaq7

16:49

or HALP!?

Basil

@voretaq7 Shibboleet

voretaq7

@Basil kitty!

Chris S

►

@Markdown, Y U suck so bad?!

Kitties: Be good or we'll put you in with the BUNNY

Adrian

@ChrisS We had a huge 30lb New Zealand White doe that would kill the bucks. Nasty creature that one. She tasted good in hasenpfeffer though.

2

Tried to take my Dad's finger off one day when he was in there to feed her (I wasn't allowed to), and that was it. He got out the 20g and punched her ticket.

Wow. Just wow.

0

Q: Can I delete error log files in apache. Will it cause an issue?

can I delete error log files in apache. Any issue? Because it eats my server space

apache2 logging centos

voretaq7

@ChrisS OH MYYYY

Adrian

16:59

That one should be added to the metaSO question about shit migrations.

MDMarra

Isn't the answer to this "Because spanning tree"?

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Q: Preventing endless forwarding with two routers

The network in quesiton looks basically like this: /----Inet1 / H1---[111.0/24]---GW1---[99.0/24] \----GW2-----Inet2 Device explaination H1: Host with IP 192.168.111.47 GW1: Linux box with IPs 192.168.111.1 and 192.1...

linux networking iptables routing gateway

voretaq7

@MDMarra probably.

Adrian

@MDMarra I would think any of those protocols would be able to handle something that simple. Here we don't use anything like that because I'm the only one who understand it, so we use shell scripts to detect up/down on the links and set the default routes accordingly.

Chris S

@MDMarra No, the question title is horrid... has nothing to do with endless anything.

voretaq7

@Adrian that's marginally on topic (though betraying a shocking incompetence)

84104

17:02

@MDMarra Span tree is for switches. This is routing.

Chris S

That poor guy is making that situation SO much harder than it has to be...

Adrian

@voretaq7 Yes, but it's a totally shit question that never should've been sent over.

voretaq7

@Adrian meh

Adrian

And some of the answers posted to that question suck as bad.

voretaq7

downvote them into the abyss :-)

84104

17:05

@MDMarra The answer is OSPF or some other non-static routing.

Adrian

@voretaq7 For all the good it does when they get upvotes from similar ijits who think those answers are pure genius.

MDMarra

@84104 ah

makes sense (clearly not a network guy)

Chris S

17:21

Connectivity-Policy based static routing works as well, and is simpler to implement usually.. Not sure about Linux, though Linux usually makes everything harder than it has to be.

Adrian

@ChrisS =P

voretaq7

@ChrisS LINUX IS HELPING! BANG dead database server! BANG Dead web browser.... I MAKE FREE RAM FOR YOUUUUUUUU!

My general view of an anthropomorphized Linux kernel:

►

(I'm not sure if it's Ralph or Skinner -- or perhaps the Coleco Adam. Tough call...)

Adrian

Uh, what?

Oh. OOM-Killer

Even more annoying, we've been seeing that pop lately WELL before we actually run out of memory. I'm think some processes are hitting the 4GB/process barrier on the 32-bit kernel and blowing up.

Michael Hampton

32-bit kernel?!

Adrian

@voretaq7 @ChrisS For my edification and further understanding, why exactly did that chroot question deserve a nuking instead of splitting of question and answer?

Chris S

17:29

@Adrian Link?

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Yes, my boss is allergic to x86_64 since he tried it in 2008 and it sucked.

voretaq7

@Adrian mostly because it was a RTFM question

Adrian

@ChrisS It's gone now: serverfault.com/questions/437489/chroot-sftp-on-openbsd-error

Michael Hampton

@Adrian Too bad, he'll just have to get over it.

voretaq7

and because nuking was less effort :-)

Adrian

17:30

@voretaq7 Ah. I would've been interested in trying to save it, but I don't think I have the ability to split the answer out without "claiming" it as my own answer.

voretaq7

if you want to post a CW answer explaining that he did it wrong I can undelete it for you

Michael Hampton

He even answered his own question..by editing the question.

voretaq7

@Adrian neither do we, I just post 'em as CW

Adrian

@voretaq7 Right. I'd forgotten about the checkbox.

Chris S

@Adrian "Followed instructions to a tee" followed by "Nevermind, typed 'user' instead of 'group'"

voretaq7

17:31

or modly powers don't include posting as other users (unfortunately)

Adrian

But if it's probably a duplicate/RTFM, there's not much benefit to having another copy floating around either.

voretaq7

((or perhaps fortunately?))

@Adrian I think there is a question about that somewhere actually , but it didn't come up in a 15 second search for "sftp chroot"

Adrian

Cool. Thank you both for humoring me. Trying to understand how this whole thing works.

Chris S

@Adrian If someone else posts the answer, but not as an Answer, SE has made it clear that it's fair game to post the correct answer yourself and claim all the rep from upvotes.

voretaq7

@ChrisS He followed the instructions to a T. Upon encountering the T he stopped. T is for Turing Machine, which describes our user...

@ChrisS ALL YOUR REP ARE BELONG TO US!

Adrian

17:33

@ChrisS While that's cool, I'm not personally cool with it.

voretaq7

ok, lunch time...

Chris S

@Adrian So if you were on Jeopardy, and the person next to you buzzes in, but forgets to word their response in the form of a Question; you would not buzz in with the correct Answer simply because someone else screwed up?

Adrian

@ChrisS Different scenario, but then I don't buy into the gamification of IT Q&A site that .SE represents either.

MDMarra

@Adrian Think of it this way. If there are no upvoted answers on that question and the OP edited the answer into the actual question, it will keep being bumped to the front page time and again until it has at least one answer with at least one upvote.

Adrian

I see my participation here more as a case of having an opportunity to give back to the IT community from white I've leanred quite a bit.

MDMarra

17:36

You'd actually be doing the community a service in that case

Chris S

Meh; I'll steal... and rub some salt in it by giving them credit in my Answer too. =]

Adrian

@MDMarra True. One would hope that someone who's more interested in climbing the rep ladder would grab it, but there's precious few long-term contributors around here. Far fewer than I'd thought before I hit 3k.

MDMarra

Yeah, there are probably 2 dozen very active people on SF

Someone with a diamond, do you have a page to look at stuff like that?

How many people average at least 1 question/answer per day over a specific period of time?

I'm sure SEDE could be queried, but my SQL fu is weak.

Adrian

I wish I had the time to go in and rescue some of those really interesting but atrociously-worded questions. They frequently end up closed as OT and I think they really could be useful.

MDMarra

If you see one thats closed and you want to save it, edit it and flag for reopen

I've done that from time to time

Chris S

17:40

@MDMarra I don't think so... Screens of bad people, but not good..

Could probably pull it out of data explorer though.

MDMarra

Yeah

My SQL is weak

Adrian

@MDMarra I'll keep that in mind.

MDMarra

Helps you get towards Marshal too

Adrian

@MDMarra Not necessarily a bad thing. All-round Generalists is not where the industry seems to be going, at least not here.

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Q: How to recruit a linux guru

I need to recruit a proper linux guru, not someone who can just about spell it, a real big hitter to go off and recruit their own team. We're currently a big Windows house so I know the questions I need to ask to sort the wheat from the chaff in that area but I have no idea what questions to ask...

linux interview recruitment questions

I think that needs a historical lock, yes?

MDMarra

Ya

voretaq7

17:46

yeah

Adrian

I actually like to review that one every 6 months or so. It would be a true shame if it actually went away.

Thanks.

Alexander Janssen

Aloha

MDMarra

hey

Alexander Janssen

these old alteon loadbalancers are getting onto my nerves...

phew. anyway. should call it a day

Adrian

18:02

@AlexanderJanssen Howdy.

Alexander Janssen

hoi adrian

Adrian

@WesleyDavid Drop me a line when you get a chance. Resume follow-up.

Iain

look what I caused today by not realising in June that things can be historic for just one hour news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4643892

Adrian

@Iain Awesome. I'm proud to be a pedantic, over-zealous admin.

Michael Hampton

Yippee. I set up VLANs on my crappy home router and I'm still online.

Adrian

18:12

If memory serves, that was me that posted the link to that Q to the room.

Michael Hampton

Eh, it still wouldn't have been noticed except somebody edited one of the answers, bringing it back to the front page.

Chris S

@Iain LOL; What Question was that talking about?

Iain

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Q: Why is Linux more popular than BSD?

Some would argue that BSD/Unix has always been more reliable and stable than Linux (not me, of course, don't hurt me!). Why does Linux always seem to beat BSD? Is it the romance of the Linux story? I don't intend to offend anyone, please don't take offense. Also, please be thoughtful and polite...

linux unix freebsd

Adrian

@Iain I posted it here because it came up in my review queue.

Chris S

I'm quite surprised to see that people think the Linux vs. BSD thing was nebulous... The lawsuit was the biggest factor by far, usually when AT&T sued, they won..

Adrian

18:16

I'm kinda tempted to go create a Ycombinator account so that I can go claim credit for starting that mess.

Iain

@Adrian There was a flag on it when I looked at the queue this morning, I checked the history and realised that when I locked it in June I had neglected to make permanent ... the rest is #outrageoftheday

TBH I find it amusing that you have to decide how long to place a historic lock on something

Adrian

@Iain Ah. Well, I suppose there's not shortage of juvenile assholes who prefer to snipe from the sidelines. Especially since I occasionally indulge in that myself.

Chris S

@Iain I hate that... I don't think it's caught me before, but I know I've seen Mark forget on a couple of occasions.

Alexander Janssen

the question is good from a historic point of view, but it's also flamebait... (gosh, i know my friend, it's a 50/50 bsd/linux situation - but we got beer, so everything will turn out just right.)

s/friend/friends

Iain

@ChrisS TBH I only quite recently realised as it never occurred to me that you would for that reason do anything else

Chris S

18:21

@AlexanderJanssen There's just too many people with loud opinions who don't actually know the history...

Adrian

@ChrisS I'm pretty sure that's a hallmark of the human condition.....

Alexander Janssen

@ChrisS true...

Chris S

It fills up quickly with crap like "Linux had a working IP stack at the time"... yeah, and you know who's IP stack they were using?

@Adrian If not the human condition, it's sure the plague of human intellect.

Adrian

@ChrisS I'll buy that.

Alexander Janssen

just found the "hide ignored tags" feature in the prefs. PHEW. made my day...

Adrian

18:27

@AlexanderJanssen Yes, I did that with Windows for about 8 months. Made SF a much quieter place though.

Alexander Janssen

@Adrian that's about what I just did right now...

I don't know crap about Windows anyway

voretaq7

@ChrisS I do it all the freakin' time.

Adrian

@AlexanderJanssen I have to putz with it occasionally, but I have a padawan who had some Windows classes in school. I usually give those to her and tell her to come back with an answer inside of 4 hours.

WesleyDavid

@Adrian Check yo' gmails.

Alexander Janssen

@Adrian you just reminded me to look for a new intern...

WesleyDavid

18:30

@voretaq7 Not sure if out of context enough to star...

Alexander Janssen

my last intern now got a real contract and he has to work for real now.

Adrian

@WesleyDavid Sweet. Thanks. Doesn't need a phone call, an email will suffice.

Chris S

How the heck is our flag handling time almost 2 hours on the Quarter?? I know two months ago when they had the deluge of flags we had it down to ~20 minutes. And this month we're at ~1 hour.... Last month's flags must have sat >5 hours to pull the Quarter's average up that high.

voretaq7

@ChrisS fewer flags means flags that sit longer have a bigger impact

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Fewer flags means I'm not trying hard enough.

voretaq7

18:36

2 hours ago, by Chris S

►

MROW!

Iain

@voretaq7 does the weather look OK for Sunday ?

voretaq7

@Iain as of right now yeah

Chris S

@voretaq7 Yeah, but 2500 => 20 min (I happen to pay attention that month on account of the high quantity). 1100 => 60 min (this month). So 3600 => 32 min from that. 5400 - 3600 = 1800... 1800 * X + 3600 * 32 = 5400 * 107 => X = 257, that's 4h17m average for the month before last?!

I've never seen our monthly average that high.

Iain

@voretaq7 well enjoy it and I hope it goes well

voretaq7

@ChrisS its not that high now...

@Iain heh me too - it would be nice to walk out with the white paper instead of the pink one :-)

WesleyDavid

18:39

@voretaq7 OH LIKE THAT'S NOT A NORMAL TUESDAY FOR ME.

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid kitty leads an innnnteresting life

WesleyDavid

I'm about to eat a PowerBar of indeterminate age. My best guess is that it's 2.5 years old at least. I found it in my golf bag that's been in the garage in 120F+ weather for three summers. It was in a vertical position so has melted, congealed, and remelted over and over again into the shape of a big gob of a teardrop.

Wish me luck.

chomp

chew chew Okay, not bad. A little dry.

Has crunchy bits.

Kinda grainy in parts.

washes it down with over-strong over-brewed green tea

I live a sad life.

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Adrian

@ChrisS Didn't you guys tell us to knock it off with all the flags?

Zoredache

@WesleyDavid now that you are done eating it, what was the expiration date on the wrapper?

freiheit

@WesleyDavid Did the package stay sealed?

Adrian

18:44

@WesleyDavid I wouldn't worry. My GF fed me a Powerbar that had the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics logo on it. Probably ~10 years old.

WesleyDavid

@Zoredache Haven't finished it yet. I'll look at the expiration date as soon as I'm done with the last two mouthfuls.

Chris S

@Adrian Doesn't bother me really... As long as someone is on to respond to them. Makes us look bad if there's a zillion unhanded flags in the queue.

WesleyDavid

@freiheit Yes, it was. PowerBars will be what cockroaches turn to in the soon coming nuclear winter.

@Adrian Does she have a sister?

freiheit

You're fine, then. They go rancid and bad smelling when exposed to air for too long, but otherwise they last roughly forever

Adrian

@WesleyDavid Yes, in fact.

WesleyDavid

18:45

@Adrian Single and with a thing for pumpkin tabbycats?

2

freiheit

(powerbar, clif bar, whatever... face it, they're all just overpriced granola bars or snickers bars)

voretaq7

@freiheit powerbars aren't

they're some kind of half-hydrated chocolate goo

Adrian

@WesleyDavid She's more of a dog person. Delightful woman of a certain age, though. Probably not interested in anyone < 40yo.

WesleyDavid

@Zoredache "Best By 11-Nov-09" Meh, I've eaten worse things.

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voretaq7

@Adrian @WesleyDavid is 40+ in cat years...

Iain

18:47

@ChrisS I don't know how it's calculated or what flags it's calculated on but it does seem a bit random

Adrian

I'm seeing her older sister, but that's a odd little thing with me and older women.

WesleyDavid

@Adrian I keep gettin' older, they keep gettin' younger.

3

Wait, that could be terribly, terribly misconstrued.

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid too late. starred.

WesleyDavid

You see what hanging around @ScottPack does to me?

Bastards. Every last one of you.

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid don't blame @ScottPack for your dementations

Chris S

18:48

@Iain I guess that was my point more than anything, it just doesn't seem to add up.

freiheit

@voretaq7 I've had a few different things from them... I think the "half hydrated chocolate goo" is kinda like what you'd get from heating and blending a snickers bar and reforming it into a bar shape... They also make a more "easier to chew granola bar" variation

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 I don't. I blame him for the bite marks though.

Adrian

@ChrisS komonews.com/news/offbeat/…

@WesleyDavid The one I ate had all the printing oxidized off it. Probably older than my children.

Chris S

@Adrian Yeah... I feel like kicking myself for living within 100 miles of some of those people.

voretaq7

@freiheit bleh.

@Adrian . . . how do you start a fire cookin' squirrel?

freiheit

18:53

@voretaq7 For real fun, try an actual goo (the coffee and chocolate flavors are ok, the fruit flavors are really awful.)

voretaq7

@freiheit I prefer not to eat anything that calls itself goo.

freiheit

@voretaq7 they taste like the malt extract syrup used for homebrewing beer...

voretaq7

@freiheit i... prefer not to drink that.

freiheit

@voretaq7 not even if it's caffeinated?

;)

sysadmin1138

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Q: central apache log analysis of many hosts

We have 30+ apache httpd servers, and are looking to perform analysis on the logs both for historical trending and near "real time" monitoring/alerting. I'm mainly interested in things like error rates (4xx/5xx), response time, overall request rate, etc. but it would also be very useful to pull o...

apache2 logging analysis

Too shopping?

Iain

19:05

does this comment stackoverflow.com/questions/12849954/… make any sense in relation to the ones I left for the SOdians above it ?

Adrian

@sysadmin1138 If I had VTCs left, I'd drop one on it.

voretaq7

@freiheit bleh

MDMarra

@Iain Heh you sort of posted it like 10 times

oh wait, each to a different @

sysadmin1138

@Iain Yeah, it was the 'substantially similar comment' thing, complete with take-the-sting-out-of-the-criticism :)

Iain

@MDMarra I posted it to each of the people who voted to close the question

voretaq7

19:06

@Iain yes, but in absence of an @migrators I don't see what else you can do

Iain

@sysadmin1138 I don't think any flags have been raised on them

voretaq7

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Q: LXC hardware sharing

Sir, I was wonderign if you could guide me with the following. I have 2 LXCs. Both need hardware access. As in I have implemented LXC in Android. So to emulate the cellphone enviornment I need the access to the GPU etc. How do I switch back and forth between these containers, without actually hav...

linux

does that make sense to anyone?

WesleyDavid

@Iain Voted to close, not migrate. So what's the issue? What am I missing?

Iain

@WesleyDavid it was sent here and we closed it

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid close = migrate (for at least 4/5 of them)

WesleyDavid

19:09

@Iain Ohh, strange. I thought the question would explicitly state migrated, not closed.

Iain

@WesleyDavid as we closed it NC/OT it got sent back to them as a rejected migration. I took the opportunity to educate them

WesleyDavid

@Iain AHA! It all makes sense now. I didn't know that NC/OT executions send the body back to the relatives.

Zoredache

I wonder if anyone has created a feature request over on meta.stackoverflow asking that people be notified of a failed migration.

MDMarra

People have asked and even suggested punishments such as -1 or whatever

WesleyDavid

Also, everyone upvote-strafe @Iain's comment scatter-shot: stackoverflow.com/questions/12849954/…

David

19:10

Does a tool/program like SpiceWorks exist for managing Macs?

manually inputted

MDMarra

What do you mean by "Manage"

David

what SpiceWorks does

except not shittily

MDMarra

spiceworks does a lot

what specific functionality are you looking for?

David

monitoring

i dont know

MDMarra

inventory? software deployment? patch management? monitoring?

David

19:12

im incredibly bored @ work and want sometihng to mess with!

WesleyDavid

@David Free or paid?

David

SpiceWorks angered me so I deleted it

Iain

@WesleyDavid Any close reason except dupe sends it back as rejected. Outright deletion does too

WesleyDavid

There's ConnectWise and LabTech.

voretaq7

@David intermapper.com

David

19:12

@WesleyDavid definitely free

MDMarra

You want to monitor desktops?

Why?

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Zap At least post an affiliate link if you're going to be a shillwhore.

voretaq7

@David nagios. you thought spiceworks was bad, try the devil.

David

Boredom! not necessarily monitor desktops

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid they don't pay me

if they did you'd have wet food!

David

19:13

i thought nagios didnt work on windows/mac?

MDMarra

Sure it does

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 And therein lies your problem.

voretaq7

@David it'll work on macs

@WesleyDavid tell me about it :'(

MDMarra

Most things that work on *nix work on OS X. OS X is POSIX compliant after all

David

true

WesleyDavid

19:13

@David For extremely broad and liberal interpretations of the word "Work", yes, Nagios works.

MDMarra

Nagios will happily monitor Windows, OS X, *nix, switches, routers, etc

Look at Opsview

Basil

I'm debating un-accepting his answer and writing a toothless one that's more easily digestable to the noobs like me who search for stuff like this:

@Basil, please don't make cosmetic changes like changing [ … ] && to if then fi — it doesn't make sense and what it really is just style. I prefer brevity, others may prefer long ways to say the same. There's also no need in chewing up everything enough to feed a toothless — others won't eat it. — poige 1 hour ago

MDMarra

It's nagios with a pretty dress

@Basil that guy is a fucking asshole

That's the ReiserFS guy

Iain

@Basil he's a PITA

David

@MDMarra doesnt appear to be free?

Adrian

19:15

@MDMarra That pretty much covers it. Just an asshole.

Basil

fuck him then

fine, then your answer is too brief to be helpful, and I'll accept another one that lays it out easily for shell noobs. — Basil 33 secs ago

WesleyDavid

@Basil ServerFault is intended to be community collaborative so edits to answers like that are what we're all about. He just doesn't know what SF is.

MDMarra

@David Opsview Core is

voretaq7

@Adrian he'll eventually get over his favorite filesystem being written by a wife-stabber

MDMarra

which can do basic monitoring/alerting based on thresholds without the fancy RRD graphs

David

19:16

whats RRD

voretaq7

@David why does it have to be free?

Adrian

@voretaq7 I kinda wonder if he's the guy that's still trying to Resier4 off the ground. =)

voretaq7

@David a festering pile, but it makes pretty graphs.

WesleyDavid

@David Really Rambunctious Dolphins

Iain

looks like O2 have screwed their mobile phone network again :(

voretaq7

19:17

@Iain like a bunny rapin' a cat they are!

David

And how would one get this installed on a Mac?

Iain

@voretaq7 yep

David

apt? yum? do i need to install those?

ive used apt on ubuntu...never heard of yum

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Trigger words. Trigger words!!

Iain

I really hate people flagging stuff low quality without trying to fix it

voretaq7

19:18

@WesleyDavid FLOPPY EARED COTTONTAILS!

@Iain what about when its cats?

MDMarra

@David yum is the package manager for EL based distros

(RHEL, OEL, CentOS, SL, etc)

David

gotcha

MDMarra

They have a virtual appliance

David

i already run a VM on this computer though

a 2nd would probably crush it

MDMarra

If you have a VMWare product, or VirtualBox or anything like that around, you can just download that and import it

So where were you planning on installing it...?

Adrian

19:20

@voretaq7 Just took a peek at the reiser4 wiki article. 8TbB(2^44) max filesystem size? Ext4 can do 2^60 these days.

David

I thought someone said I could install it on my mac

MDMarra

@David it can monitor Macs

David

oh

MDMarra

It's typically installed on a Debian or EL derivative.

Or used as a virtual appliance (which is just CentOS preconfigured with a nice bow on it)

David

The Virtual Appliance looks like ubuntu

MDMarra

19:21

Ah could be

I've never used it. I thought it was CentOS

Basil

1

A: While loop read multiple lines from a grep

Zoredache pointed this out to me in chat, and poige mentioned it in his answer: this problem can be solved with a subshell. When I had to change from a for loop that read a single variable from my grep at a time to a while read var1 var2 loop that allowed me to read in multiple variables, I was...

that guy can eat a bag of dick.

I'll accept my answer tomorrow

raid 50 has the same overhead as raid 10, right?

it's a raid 5 of raid 1s?

oh wait

it's a raid 0 of raid 5s isn't it...

WesleyDavid

@Basil Does my comment make sense? My intention was a misdirection-technique to say "You are complaining about people using ServerFault in the way that it was meant to be used."

I was distracted whilst writing it though.

Basil

@WesleyDavid I got it, but that's because of the two possible meanings of what you wrote, one was less logically consistent and a little meaner.

Now of the two possible meanings of this, which do I mean?

:D

ewwhite

@David The VMWare appliance is SuSE, I thought.

MDMarra

@ewwhite It's ubuntu

at least in opsview 4

says it on the download page

David

19:36

^^^^^

voretaq7

@Basil that cats are generally snarly and incoherent?

ewwhite

@MDMarra which appliance?

MDMarra

@ewwhite the opsview 4 appliance

ewwhite

Oh, thought you were talking about one of VMWare's appliances.

like vcenter or the replication utility

Basil

@voretaq7 :D

voretaq7

19:47

LIKE MY CRIPPLING CATNIP ADDICTION :'(

KronoS

I'll just drop this here:

►

do with it what you wish

Chris S

@MDMarra Data Explorer hasn't been updated in 3.5 months... So I can only pull data from before that. This should be the most active Answerers over the last 6 months, but is actually only the most active over the first 2.5 months of the last 6 =D data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/82390/…

David

what the hell OpsView

"Service assumed OK - no results received"

ASSUMED?

voretaq7

@David "I'm sure it's fine."

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