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A: CentOS openLDAP cert trust issues

daffAccording to the every man page I've seen (but I am not a CentOS user) there is no such thing as LDAPTLS_CACERTDIR. The correct variable to set is TLS_CACERTDIR. You should set it permanently in /etc/openldap/ldap.conf or wherever CentOS keeps the LDAP library configuration file. Also, you may ne...

I believe I just got called a clueless idiot. So I said the same back. -_-
Maybe I'll actually figure it out tomorrow. I have a feeling it's Mozilla related.
@Adrian I'm reading this article about best bars in Seattle
@JoelESalas Sweet. If F.X. McRory's isn't in there, they're full of shit.
They list the zigzag bar as one of the best
lol wat
I'd give it an 8/10, by no means a life changing experience
Later Gents. Time for me to scoot.
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Q: how to cause linux system datetime to run faster than real world datetime?

JamesThomasMoon1979Background I want to monitor a running linux system over several days. It's a custom gentoo build and with much custom software on board. This software has ongoing maintenance timers and cron scripts and other clock driven events. I need to verify these scheduled events are working. Problem ...

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I don't think that's supposed to look like that.
@MichaelHampton on comment on making a server run faster than realtime?
@ewwhite He lost me at "custom gentoo build". Developers.
is the premise silly?
Not really. I gave him a migrate vote.
I feel like there's a better way...
but I don't know what it would be...
run shit by hand... and assume it will work when scheduled?
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Assume that cron works?
Now that you mention it...maybe his premise is silly.
I used to have a 2,000+ line crontab file at a trading firm.
Don't want to know.
all sorts of batch jobs to kick-off... and that solution eventually moved to monit
and a job scheduler.
ugh, reddit. Always threatens to kill my productivity ;p
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A: how to cause linux system datetime to run faster than real world datetime?

Michael HamptonWrite a shell script that sets the system time and then waits for the results of the next job, then sets the system time again and waits for the results of the next job... Repeat until done.

Because DEVELOPERS.
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DEBATE!!!
01:45
Either one of those guys has a pretty good chance of going off the rails. Both of them together? Guaranteed train wreck.
@ScottPack Ryan or Biden?
@ewwhite Yes.
Biden may have more practice, but they're both naturals.
I don't particularly like Ryan.
From what I can tell that doesn't seem that unreasonable.
But so much of US politics is regional... It's a weird game.
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They're both wrong, and I'm sick of politicians debating how best to f- me over.
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Q: DHCP over WiFi on CentOS 6

dongle26Using CentOS 6 I cannot get my WiFi interface to configure over DHCP. Here is my ifcfg-wlan0: This does not work (although it is correct): DEVICE=wlan0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp ONBOOT=yes HWADDR=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx TYPE=Wireless This works: DEVICE=wlan0 BOOTPROTO=none ONBOOT=yes IPADDR=192.168.0.253 NET...

Can we get this bitch closed, por favor
@Adrian I would describe the food in this town as "extremely okay"
@MDMarra Agreed. Preferably before I give into temptation and post an answer that the problem is xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx not being a valid MAC address/
@HopelessN00b What a cock groper
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@JoelESalas Not all cock gropers are bad. I personally find it rather enjoyable when a cute gal decides to grope at mine.
Is there a insults list somewhere you guys get that stuff from?
I don't have a list written up, but that's not the worst idea I've heard all day...
@ChrisS At least someone is trying to fuck me. :(
@ChrisS Generally I just string some words together in a rather Tourette's like fashion.
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Am I wrong or what?
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A: Adding PHP to Apache

Michael HamptonWe are the system admins, and you need a whole new server. The planning to replace that thing should have begun three years ago. Now it's very nearly an emergency. Unless you're still paying Red Hat for post-EOL support on that thing, you aren't going to get security and other critical updates f...

Probably.
Old EL4 box, Apache 1.3.31, no security updates in God knows how long. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
> Further I have to get everything done through system admins.
@MichaelHampton: Time to get the poor dear taken out back, and put down ;p
What a bunch of fuckers. Talk about working in a terrible place where your systems are administered by systems administrators.
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@ScottPack: I'm guessing the older versions are probably some dev insisting they want that specific version
Poor developer. I have little sympathy for his having to go through system admins, but he does seem to have a seriously dysfunctional IT department.
@JourneymanGeek I've seen environments like what he described. Typically what happens is that the application developer (no matter what their official role was) put it together to house their app, and maintained top to bottom control.
@MichaelHampton: Considering the age of the system, anything would be better.
Then they left or something similar that resulted in the server being passed.
@ScottPack: As I would tell my dad or brother if it came to it 'I don't tell you how to be an engineer. Just tell me what the heck you need and get out of my way'
(Lucky its more often 'I need X. Get it done, don't bother me with the details'
03:41
And the new person doesn't want to touch it because it looks like the end of a Jenga game.
@MichaelHampton Or it's so non-critical that it's at the bottom of a pile of other similar systems that need fixed.
Or, just as likely, it is "run" by the "sysops" but nobody is really willing to touch that potato for fear of contracting the plague.
Wait.
what does he mean by 'Furthermore, we have another machine that runs PHP and is running the exact same OS and OS version. The reason I want it on the former machine is because it is mounted on a different file system.'
(oh, we go deeper down the rabbit hole)
That's the other reason why I think he's got a seriously dysfunctional IT department.
@adrian Bauhaus Books and Coffee, highly recommended
 
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Too localized, yes?
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Q: How to setup rvm on bluehost?

TruptiI want to deploy rails 3 application on bluhost. Via ssh i did all the setup but the problem i am facing is that on bluehost it showing rails version as 2.3.11 and my rails 3 application has version 3.2.3. I am new to this process. Please suggest how do i manage rails versions on bluehost.

@Adrian VTC'd
@Zoredache It's the new space-saver rack! Squeeze 3 racks into the width normally used by 2!
damn, community just bumped this; serverfault.com/q/36359/1435
Greetings humans. Thanks to whoever it was (and that person may not be in here anyway) that upvoted 8 of my old answers and pushed me past the 20K mark. It wasn't necessary but thanks all the same. :)
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I think 8 in so short a time might be enough to trigger the "fraud" detector.
Then so be it. It certainly isn't what I would call "honest" voting.
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G'day
@Chopper3 good luck today
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@MichaelHampton I'm surprised you gave it the time of day to be honest. NC, NARQ, OT all in one steaming pile. Closed/deleted and sent back whence it came
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@Iain Thanks, feel like I need it tbh
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Morning.
Good luck @Chopper3. Got my fingers crossed for you.
 
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... Just been reading this : stackoverflow.com/a/7129644/1205001 - but the user seems to have gone a while ago so not worth comments.... Anyone know where to get the Nagios Contrib Plugins? I can't find them anywhere and need to monitor memory
 
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oh my... Tell me if you all understand this...
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A: hi1.4xlarge SSD EC2 instance for EMR

cyberx86Firstly, most of these points are more generally applicable than to a specific EMR scenario, although, should apply there equally well. On pricing: Before getting into the I/O problem, Amazon does not charge per Elastic Compute Unit (ECU). The ECU is simply used as a 'reference' for compute cap...

This is the future of systems administration.
@ewwhite I understood every word. Then again I've been on EC2 virtually since day one.
The challenge is in adapting your apps to use it. EC2 doesn't make full sense for most business applications I encounter. But at the same time, I see a lot of people struggling to move from hosted infra (rackspace) to Amazon.
For me, my clients and work have been either proprietary trading systems or straight-up application/database systems. The latter has no horizontal scalability... the former is too latency-sensitive and paranoid.
But right now, I'm learning the Amazon products/services because we're a partner.
Shh! Don't tell anybody I'm moving FROM Amazon :)
@MichaelHampton To where?
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Private cloud?
For myself, yes, and I have clients on VMware public clouds
morning
'afternoon Basil
heh
@MichaelHampton What's the cost?
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Oh look, this public VMware cloud is less than half the cost of EC2. What the hell am I doing on EC2 then?
@MichaelHampton is it just less sexy than EC2?
Naa, EC2 was just there first
We provide VMware cloud as well... but also have a XEN-based cloudstack solution
They also offer a lot more flexibility in instance sizing than EC2, which turned out to be a selling point.
I think I'm addicted to interviews.
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hey @MDMarra.
I lose again.
yup
My train lost power this morning
that was nice
@MichaelHampton why do you do cloud?
versus real infra.
@ewwhite So somebody else is responsible for the hardware.
That means I can stay at home and work in the buff if I want.
@MichaelHampton You can do that with your own infrstructure too. VPN is a wonderful thing.
@MDMarra Yes, but if the hardware fails, somebody has to go deal with it.
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@MichaelHampton That's what I do!
wait
so you chat naked in here?
dont answer that
Actually no, I never work naked.
You ever tried to sit bare-ass in an office chair?
(yes)
Biden: LOL Such sensational headlines!
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So I'd rather pay someone like @ewwhite to build and maintain a nice infrastructure where I can deploy my (and my clients') stuff. Remember nearly all of what I work with is public-facing web sites.
@MichaelHampton Mmmmm GAE.
Don't get me started.
@MichaelHampton But my question is... what are people doing for applications that are NOT web-based.
Probably not putting them on public clouds.
Or are there simply less of them?
My data points so far are this new company, where I see other companies paying us a lot to host their application stacks.
Some in the cloud, some as managed infra... some as managed Amazon.
13:15
OK, maybe some of them are. But you have more visibility into it than I do.
but all of these places have IT people... so I'm left wondering what the IT people actually do.
Desktop support?
It seems like it.
user support, escalating to providers etc
Desktop support is a job all in itself, and not one I envy anybody.
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we've been without 1st line support here for 4 months
I'm ready to stab someone in the face..
we signed a new trainee yesterday, so hopefully I'll get less support on my hands from 1st of feb
Right, so there used to be Helpdesk -> Junior Admin -> Senior Admin -> Experts/Consultants?
and now it seems like it's Helpdesk ........ Experts/Consultants/Cloud/Amazon
Somebody in here was saying something about how the generalist was disappearing.
That was me.
Yes, I know.
I was at a startup-type company in Chicago this week...
and they need expert database people, someone to manage their hosted and cloud initiatives...
and office networking...
and to be all DevOps-ish.
13:23
Can you still buy SCOM separately?
Or do you need to but the whole system center suite?
And I don't think they have enough work for separate folks in each of those roles.
but the skill level they need is high
that's why I see room for part-time experts, and less of an in-house arrangement.
"Warmed up" an IP address? That's a new one. I don't understand all those non-technical terms. Can you translate that into jargon? — Michael Hampton 9 secs ago
@MDMarra from what I know it's all a suite now
I'm making you all read this article. Quiz in the morning.
@MichaelHampton you obviously need to warm up the address in order for the SMTP messages not to freeze to death
@ewwhite is this someone notable so the reading is a must-do?
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Maybe? But I'll probably make a cloud question on SF soon.
@pauska My sales rep just said she thought she broke ops mgr out for another customer, but it might have been a downgrade purchase to 2007 or something
I'll know for sure when she gets back to me
but seriously, thats stupid. I don't want to pay more money when all I want is ops manager
well, a downgrade would cost the same as the suite
so I don't quite understand why
ya, she wasnt too sure. she was going to call her licensing resource
I guess they want customers to use the full range.. remember that they are trying to beat vmware (scvmm)
@ewwhite "IT Spends half its time gate-keeping and the other half of its time essentially being a janitor" - hmmm
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@pauska Right, but I have VMWare here. And don't need SCCM, SCDPM, etc
I just want SCOM
buy, and only download the SCOM media?
:)
@syneticon-dj Not true?
@MDMarra SCVMM maybe then?
but the MLs are almost double (list) for the suite than 2007 MLs for just SCOM
@syneticon-dj Manage a vSphere environment with SCVMM? Wut?
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@ewwhite Quite populistic decision-maker-fishing. And of course not true.
@MDMarra that's actually possible, but I'm not sure how good it is..
@pauska It stills needs vCenter though
@MDMarra why, you don't like the idea? It's Microsoft - world-leaing virtualization solution provider :)
So why would I manage vCenter with SCVMM?
@MDMarra you rather would manage something hybrid with SCVMM - or a migrating infrastructure.
you need the vCenter licenses anyway
13:40
huh?
I have no need at all for SCVMM
I'm complaining that I can't purchase only SCOM 2012
That they require that you purchase the SC suite with SCOM, SCVMM, SCDPM, etc all bundled
I don't have any need for anything other than SCOM
right, so you will purchase the whole SC suite and be getting SCVMM - what a great opportunity - for free
that's irony BTW
oh ok
that didn't come across in the first couple comments
@ewwhite his hope is probably that VPs are going to read this article nodding at the line and thinking "I knew this whole IT crowd is just a useless bunch of nerds - let's go cloud"
We should really bring back activity in the Vote to close room
@syneticon-dj And that will probably happen.
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not if there is any trust in the staff's capabilities
And if there isn't, the company probably deserves what it is going to get
@MDMarra I understand VTC is kind of useless with the review - close votes feature?
It's more than just VTC, it's also for questions that can be saved via editing
@MDMarra I posted that answer already!
Right. But not a lot has been saved or in need of saving lately, has it?
@syneticon-dj Also, there's an awful lot of stuff that falls through the cracks in /review
That's a good place to put the worst of the worst
13:52
I find techno makes coding in shell more bearable
the more I script, the more of my C* and java I remember, and start to miss
fucking aix...
@Basil That's because of the ecstasy you just took.
@Basil try Death Metal for more creativity at the keyboard
@syneticon-dj I'm not worried about creative code- I need it to be manageable by whatever idiots we hire in the next 5 years
and some of the things I'm making /bin/sh do are anything but obvious
to a layman like me, at least
Ah. That's simple - don't do them, then.
I don't have a choice :(
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@Basil Write it in perl?
Well, then put a comment into the code saying # Sorry guys, I don't have any idea about what this is doing either, but I had no choice
@syneticon-dj @MDMarra We should probably rename the room "Unloved bastard questions needing adoption"
you could flavor it with a "so don't call me" just to be sure
@syneticon-dj That just screws the next admin
@voretaq7 the name would need to acronymize nicely
13:57
I'm always happy to take phone calls about my old infrastructures.
Even the crazy one involving CVS, DNS, 4 shell scripts, and `rndc`
fuck you too markdown.
@Iain would be proud.
I just deleted my own comment on this question
@syneticon-dj The code I write that is "difficult" for someone Not Me to maintain is usually named "The [whatever it does] monster"
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Q: how to swap the row

user140785In my table table_fks i have five row in which we had information like primary key table and primary key and foreignkey table foreign key so in 3rd and 4th row we have customer table and order table.but that should not come because customer table had no relation with any another previous table it...

@voretaq7 you really and honestly can remember what a specific line of code was about after three years?
@voretaq7 I never let go of the old infrastructures. I got a call from three jobs ago...
"Where's the Quickbooks CD?"
13:59
@voretaq7 I just got a call from lastjob asking how my custom-built PowerShell script for imaging labs works
@voretaq7 I'm going to start.
@ewwhite anybody ever asked if you knew why the toilet flush were broken again?
I've never used it, but it can't be dumber than shell.
I was like, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh if you have to ask that, I'm not going to be able to explain it over the phone
(I basically wrote a streamlined MDT knockoff custom to our needs since MDT wasn't the right tool for us)
I commented the fuck out of that code too
14:00
@syneticon-dj No, but I'm good about including meaningful comments for things I won't remember so when someone reads it back to me 4 years after I left I can say "Oh yeah. This was an expected failure mode - I wrote about it in my transition memo which I'm sure the bosses lost. You need to do X, Y, and Z"
@Basil AIX comes with Perl now, right? :)
@voretaq7 Not my version, but I have it installed.
@Basil I think it comes in 6, not 100% sure though
anybody knows if a precompiled smp_utils package for Solaris (amd64) exists somewhere?
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A: While loop read multiple lines from a grep

BasilI solved this with a subshell. When I had to change from a for loop that read a single variable from my grep at a time to a while read var1 var2 loop that allowed me to read in multiple variables, I was able to hang on to temporary variables I manipulated within the while loop by using parenthese...

@pauska you've done some Hyper-V3 testing lately, have you? Did you test if Hyper-V2 VMs "just run" on V3? If not, do you happen to have any links to the docs for the migration process?
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Thanks again to @Zoredache for the tip.
@syneticon-dj I didn't use hyperv2 beforehand
They really need to make migrates out of SO 5/5 or raise migrate to like 10k
Has anyone broached the topic of bad SO migrations lately on mSO?
@pauska That has Super User written all over it...
@r.tanner.f No it doesnt
Minus the shopping rec.
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it doesnt deserve to live
fair enough
I'm just thinking, if you're going to punt it somewhere..
@r.tanner.f ...then I'm going to punt it back into the depths of hell (StackOverflow) from whence it came!
(also.... BANG HEADSHOT.)
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Q: Regarding the high number of rejected migrations from Stack Overflow to Server Fault

MDMarraCurrently, there is a 20% rejection rate on migrations from Stack Overflow to Server Fault. That's one out of every five. Here are some samples of rejected questions from the last few days: Amazon Computing Cloud: what does it cost for personal use? Unable to connect 2 virtual machines in a pr...

It's been nice knowing you all
I should be downvoted to death soon
@MDMarra what would you like played at your funeral?
heh
I think having 200 rep on the target site would be a nice requirement to be able to migrate there
but that wouldnt go over well
@MDMarra indeed, it has been poorly received when suggested in the past.
Anybody knows if it is possible to mix differently spec'ed (e.g. different CPU frequency, different number of cores) AMD CPUs on a DP mainboard?
14:47
@syneticon-dj I believe the general advice about such things is still "Dear god don't do that!"
@voretaq7 generally I would agree with you, but since the AMD CPUs do carry their own bus and memory controllers and have dedicated memory banks, I am not sure if this old wisdom still applies
@syneticon-dj it wouldn't be the CPU I'd be concerned about - it would be the motherboard.
that said Intel apparently allows mixed processors under certain circumstances
(You know it's going to be bad when the data sheet has volumes)
@syneticon-dj: very good chance it won't work. I'd think its just something that would cause a refusal to boot, as opposed to fire, screaming and magic smoke.
I am not sure the mainboard would really care if the external clock does not differ.
@JourneymanGeek I'd expect if it were going to fail it would fail with the motherboard beeping frantically and refusing to start up because the processor ID codes are different
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Its something worth asking on SU if it wasn't hypotheticial I think
@voretaq7: yeah, thats what I mean ;p
SU has answers for spec sheet questions?
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Intel allowed it in the P2/celeron time.
But when testing a dozen motherboards on toms hardware they only had one board (Tyan) which accepted it and and ran stable enough to pass benchmarks
So, my mSO post isn't getting a ton of downvotes.
Surprising.
That is a while ago though. (old wisdom)
@MDMarra probably only because not a significant number of people came to read it yet
:)
haha
So apparently older (Family 10h) AMD CPUs did not support mixing - "Processors of different package types can not be mixed in a multiprocessor system"
I can't seem to find anything that would apply for the current line of CPUs.
15:16
@syneticon-dj Anything Not Permitted Is Forbidden :-)
I just got a letter stating that our underground garbage collection system will be activated soon.
If it is not working that it is because a red light is burning.
The first though of my literal self was: BECAUSE? Couldn't they just build them without the light to improve reliability?
Or can I destroy the light to fix it, so it will work again?
@MDMarra The lion's mouth. I've climbed into it.
@Hennes unscrew bulb, vacuum starts.
What kind of system? is it one of these: vimeo.com/11804927
@voretaq7 I just jumped back in as well
15:33
No. Different system
@Hennes what is an "underground garbage collection system"? A .NET 5.0 feature?
@Hennes also pneumatic?
Physical garbage. And I have not used it yet since I have no idea where I have my 'city pass'
I got it a dozen years ago, and never used it since
But I am precise enough IRL that that sentence bothered me.
And I am a penny pincher. So a colour print from the council with a single link in blue (the rest of the page all in black) makes me anoyed at wasted money
It is a touchless pass. step 1 . TOUCH for fingers to the glass to activate. (Hello germs). Than offer the pass. Open contained. Quickly close it else a red light will start to burn. It will no longer work BECAUSE this red light is burning.
@Hennes . . . Whut?
Not that most IT'er write better, but most of us have or letter (or mails) checked by someone else before mass mailing.
15:36
this seems needlessly complicated
It might actually be an improvement. Right now people keep dumping furniture etc.
Which does not get collected.
roosevelt island's system is much simpler.
Trash.
Bag trash.
Chute.
Open chute, drop trash bag, close chute.

Garbage now someone else's problem.
And there are huge signs stating that
@Hennes ahhh
selective illiteracy?
that's an epidemic here in the states.
Now only bags will fit in the 'chute'.
Worse
Every week someone arrives in a small car, dressed as a cleaner. Open the door to the room with out garbage and deposits stuff.
I am not even sure where that garbage is from.
Those things will not get logged per user.
Which is probably the first time ever I am happy that the gov'ment logs this
15:39
@Hennes how can they get into the trash room? Sounds like you need a lock...
They have a key. I think she is a cleaner who lives here and brings her work home
Granted, that is a guess from me

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