The Comms Room

Vert

10:00

I played a little bit of the single player before I left. Played about 6 missions... it was awesome up to that point.

Couldn't speak for the end game or anything.

hobodave

playing on consoles has also made me realize I generally don't like people

at least ones who have mics and play on the internet

Vert

What's wrong with the 12 year old "leet hacker" screaming at you as they blaze around with speed hacks?

I miss the days before Xbox Live went mainstream... it used to be mostly adults who had it in the beginning of the Xbox original days.

hobodave

I prefer playing with friends only

Vert

(Except for myself of course... but I'd like to think I wasn't as annoying as most of the 13 year olds are today)

hobodave

but all of my gaming friends either no longer play, or they are still obsessed with WoW 6 years later

Vert

10:02

I don't get the WoW obsession either.

hobodave

I get it, I had it.

past it though

Vert

I never got into WoW.

Last MMO i did was Runescape (awful graphics, awesome PvP)

hobodave

did you ever play Planescape: Torment?

that's probably my fav RPG of all time

Vert

I never did play that one.

hobodave

you're missing out

if you can handle 1999 graphics in this age, its totally worth playing

you can get it on GOG: gog.com/en/frontpage

they rerelease all the great classics

Vert

10:10

I might give that a try when I get back. Is the story as good as the gameplay?

hobodave

the story is what makes it

great writing, lots of wry humor and wit

im off to bed

later man, stay safe wherever y ou are

Vert

It's been awhile since I've played a comical game. The funniest one has prolly been Borderlands.

Night 6

^^

ITHedgeHog

11:05

Hey folks

Vert

Hi!

Jacob

11:27

Hello guys and the traitor...

ITHedgeHog

Quiet you @Jacob ;)

Jacob

@ITHedgeHog ok

ITHedgeHog

lol 'ok' was not the answer I was expecting, I'm only kidding around :)

Jacob

@ITHedgeHog I respond to any sort of insult/ semi mean/command with ok :)

Vert

11:42

Is anybody familiar with Python's subprocess module? I have a quick, easy question about it.

ITHedgeHog

Sorry, can't be much help on that

Vert

Yeah, I'm looking all around the 'net now. I hate questions that seem easy, but have dodgy answers :p

coredump

12:08

@hobodave After 14 hours of play I tend to agree with you. The chars are not charming like DA:O. There's a difference too that in DA:O you had your origin story that was normally desperate and fast paced, and you were thrown directly into a war. DA 2 has a veeeery slow start. I am moving to the 'second' part of the history and trying to see if it gets faster.

Some users confuse me. He commented saying that he wants what I described. Is he asking for more info? Confirmation? If so, why not accept the answer?

1

Q: I want to build an debian apt site for local LAN updates

Hi, I have downloaded all debian's DVD disks, and I have set up apache httpd service. I combined all dvd disk 's file, but I found the .gpg file I need and I can't create it. it looks like source's signature file. so when I set my /etc/apt/sources.list file as follow: deb http://192.168.1.102/...

coredump

12:29

Surprise of the day: seeing @hobodave rep on cooking.SE

Robert Moir

2

Q: Why is user vgv8 being suspended again, and for so long?

Why is vgv8 suspended till 03 Dec 2013, after just being suspended recently?

discussion

now there is a surprise of the day

ITHedgeHog

12:51

I think I've fallen in love with the new Ginsters product I have before me

Cakemox

Is it real honest food?

ITHedgeHog

Yes

With actual taste to it and real ingredients which look like it does on the packet

Iain

@RobertMoir such a short suspension need another decade or 2 really

Vert

Ginsters?

Iain

@Vert ginsters.co.uk

coredump

13:04

hehe. I love when people post quick answers without minding too much to explain. I always try to explain what I am solving so it generates better answers but some people meh

0

Q: What is wrong with following bash script?

I wrote following line in my script , but it not assigning any value to variable a a= grep -n mark /etc/samba/smb.conf |cut -d: f1 I aspect line number where mark string present in smb.conf in variable a. But value of variable is null. What may be the issue

bash scripting

Vert

The pasties and the bara look like man food.

@Iain a steak and ale pasty? Awesome.

ITHedgeHog

@Vert The Bara is man food

Vert

I would kill for one of those right now lol

Iain

@Vert I've no idea @ITHedgeHog has found

ITHedgeHog

lol

Vert

13:17

@Iain Regardless... they look awesome :p

Iain

I do like the Cornish pasty

I'm off to Cornwall in June so I'll try some of the real thing whilst I'm there

Vert

I need to try some of those. They look like real contenders to replace pizza rolls and Hot Pockets lol.

Bart Silverstrim

13:37

@RobertMoir Interesting...

How do you have a privacy issue when your activities on these sites are largely public?

Vert

Ah yes. The Social Network Paradox.

Bart Silverstrim

What's the paradox?

Vert

The expectation of privacy while using a medium that is largely public.

Bart Silverstrim

The only stuff I know of that's hidden on these sites are things the mods delete/hide/alter.

If you're an idiot it kinda shows since everyone has their own mountaintop from which to yell.

The guy's question could have been answered probably by just reviewing the other guy's answer history in the profile, I'd guess.

Vert

Lol.

Bart Silverstrim

13:43

There's no expectation of privacy in social networking other than not having advertised what you didn't put up in the first place.

You can't run around exposing yourself then get pissed when someone points and laughs because you didn't think they'd look. That's more than stupid. That's grounds for being committed for being too dim-witted for society's good.

coredump

Unless you use a fake profile of course :P

Bart Silverstrim

Been known to happen.

Although mine's not. Most of my life is online, sadly.

Vert

That's because you're thinking logically. Now imagine you're someone who knows less about technology and the laws/issues surrounding it. You put everything on "Friends Only" on FB... you should be perfectly safe right?

Hence... the paradox lol.

Bart Silverstrim

I think my online life is more real than my real self.

That's still not a paradox.

You're assuming your friends aren't idiots.

You don't tell anyone you killed someone unless you want to risk it being known.

There's no paradox there.

Vert

Not "my friends". The average human being.

Bart Silverstrim

13:46

Sorry, thought you meant the friends only security setting for elements of FB.

Vert

It's simply the expectation in a public medium... which (surprisingly?) a lot of people (who would be considered an 'average user') have.

Bart Silverstrim

It's risk management. It's your own fault if you overlook something. But you're an idiot to trust someone else's servers with your information and fully expect that there's no chance that information could leak or be abused.

Vert

I realise that and you realise that.

Now think average user lol.

Bart Silverstrim

Of course they have, since the average person needs to be burned to figure out the stove is hot. That doesn't change the blame or responsibility.

Vert

Also, think average user that grew up where children having a Facebook profile (or w/e network/site suits the need) is perfectly normal.

Who said it changes the blame?

Bart Silverstrim

13:49

The people bitching when said information is abused.

Vert

It's simply the lack of understanding in how privacy matters and technology work.

Bart Silverstrim

They usually whine and bitch like they're victims.

And?

How does that change whose fault it is?

Vert

You asked me to define. So I did.

Chris S

Good Coffee and a Paczki - The only way it gets better is if that coffee was a latte.

Bart Silverstrim

I did?

coredump

13:54

Answered 2 questions today, lets see if I get more than 100 rep

Vert

@BartSilverstrim Here.

Bart Silverstrim

Oh, you were trying to define the paradox. I don't see the paradox. That's just user ignorance.

Vert

On a massive scale.

Chris S

I seem to go in runs... Several answers with very few upvotes, not accepted; then the next week I can do no wrong, upvotes/accepted (a few at least)...

Bart Silverstrim

a statement or proposition that seems self-contradictory or absurd but in reality expresses a possible truth.

No paradox there...just ignorance.

People usually just get pissed because of the connotation of the word fault. "Look, it's your fault for putting the information out there. Get over it already."

Chris S

13:59

@Vert, I don't think it's a paradox as much as idiosyncrasies and nievety.

Bart Silverstrim

@chrisS: Ignorance, naivety...same coin...blah blah...

damn my head hurts...

Vert

An expectation of privacy on an open platform on an open medium which tries to implement privacy controls?

Well, ok... we could argue all day whether they actually "Try" to implement privacy controls.

Bart Silverstrim

Snarky morning for me. serverfault.com/questions/245183/core-i7-vs-phenom-ii-x6

Chris S

Well the issue I see is that if people saw a car commercial and it said "100% safe" they'd assume it's very safe, but that "100%" is just puffery. People nievely make the assumption that web companies like FB operate differently why they claim your information is private.

Bart Silverstrim

Two responses...A) Try? There is no try. Do, or do not. B) There is no arguing over try since they did implement something resembling controls. The hole is still: You're trusting a third party with the information, you don't pay attention to the intricacies of how it works, and you're an idgit for telling someone, anyone, something you don't want to risk having your mother find out you do.

Vert

14:04

That's absolutely true, but we're talking 500+ million accounts. That's a whole lot of puffery being believed.

Bart Silverstrim

If you write down your deepest secrets and seal them in an envelope and give them to your lawyer or your psychologist, there's some expectation of privacy. And you might be right. But you're still trusting someone else not to break that trust or have the information stolen from their office, and you're still an idiot for having written it down in the first place let alone let it out of your sight. It's a five minute thought problem for risk management.

Vert

... for those that possess the ability to think about ORM.

Well, the will, the ability, the foresight, the intelligence...

Bart Silverstrim

It's not rocket science.

Walk down the @#% hall and take someone's stuff. My stapler now. Shouldn't have left it out. Now replace stapler with diary.

Vert

I realise and you realise... but I really don't have many expectation from an 'average user'.

Bart Silverstrim

And if they hide their stapler, take their chair and say you'll return it when they give you a stapler. World's full of bullies.

This is only tangentally related to the topic but it sounds like a lot more fun. Besides, my head hurts.

Vert

14:11

Head hurts? Late night?

Josh

Hey guys, quick question... not that I don't trust Jacob, I just wanted to be sure :-) I am about to do a fresh install of VMware ESXi on a brand new server, and I was unsure which ISo to use... I downloaded a "ESXi 4.1 Installable" and a "4.1.0 Installable Update 1". I would assume I have to use the first CD to install, and then boot from the second to update to 4.1 Update 1... is that correct?

Or can I just use the second CD (ESXi 4.1 Installable Update) and skip the first?

coredump

You are speaking greek to me. (kvm and xen only here)

Vert

Night everyone. (or morning for some!)

Josh

@Vert later!

SmallClanger

@Josh: Can't answer your question directly, but I tend to judge these things on the relative size of the ISOs.

Josh

14:17

@coredump I think I can just use the later one. Note to developer: This is why the name of your releases should not contain the word "update". I'll take v4.1.1 over v4.1.0 Update 1 any day!

Cakemox

@SmallClanger The pragmatic approach :)

Robert Moir

@Josh it might be a little different for us as we're already running ESXi but the online updater just offered 4.1.1 as an update, not as a base for a clean install.

Josh

@SmallClanger good point and actually now that I compare, the normal is ~300MB, update is ~394, so I believe I can just use the update. Yesterday I thought the update was ~200-something making me question

@RobertMoir there's a zip update also, so I think I'll be OK if I use the older one. Just trying to be efficient as the server is in a far-away datacenter and I have to ask them to burn / load CDs for me :-/

Robert Moir

makes sense. Can you try the installer locally first? It should warn you before flattening the box you try it on

Bart Silverstrim

@Vert don't know what it is...(sorry, disassembling a keypad...)

Josh

14:21

@RobertMoir I sadly don't have... wait, yeah, actually I could. Was gonna say I don't have compatable hardware locally but duh, it would at least boot to tell me that, so I should be able to get far enough to tell if I can use the updater

Robert Moir

hopefully

Josh

on a related note, I am very happy:

top - 22:12:52 up  1:34,  1 user,  load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.09
Tasks: 388 total,   1 running, 387 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu0  :  0.0%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni,100.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Cpu1  :  0.0%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni,100.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Cpu2  :  0.0%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni,100.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Cpu3  :  0.0%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni,100.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Cpu4  :  0.0%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni,100.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st

Now if I could just get my IP KVM I'll be ready to roll!

coredump

Can someone check if I am talking something really stupid or the user is not getting my ideas?

0

Q: Localized servers for various continents without manually dumping the datas?

Hello guys, Would you explain me how is possible to set up a configuration like this (example) (LAMP): 1 Main server (in europe for example) with database, static files, php, etc. Other servers in others continents (reducing network time) site.fr, site.de, site.co.uk etc would be pointed to ...

server lamp dedicated-server geolocation

Chris S

Our virtual hosts have 8 cores. CPU isn't the bottleneck for us... I need moar RAM.

Josh

@coredump you explained it fine, he's just not understanding. Let me think about how to comment

Bart Silverstrim

14:30

@Josh: Ask @Chopper3

Josh

@ChrisS we jumped from an 8-core machine, we needed more cores for more VMs. It will be a while until I am utilizing all these new cores. Plus we doubled our RAM

Bart Silverstrim

I think he's the VMWare savant of the group.

Josh

@BartSilverstrim he is :-)

I am sure I will have many more questions as the day goes on :-/

I am very familiar with other flavors of VMware but this will be my first ESXi install

coredump

/mumbles something about proprietary software

Josh

yes, yes :-)

Bart Silverstrim

14:32

I have an older ESXi. I'm hoping the boss gets a second server over the summer for emergencies :-/

It was fairly simple to set up and use.

But VMWare makes things unnecessarily complex and fills things with marketroid-speak, in my opinion.

I just wanted to throttle their people while screaming, "I JUST WANT TO VIRTUALIZE THESE SERVERS. WHAT DO I NEED TO DOWNLOAD AND INSTALL?!"

Josh

@coredump IDK if what I said will help :-/

@BartSilverstrim yes, this I have seen...

Bart Silverstrim

Here's something with API in it...upgrade...addon...addon...console...manager...vsphere...vmotion...WTF...

Choose from one of seventeen combinations of similar stuff...

coredump

@Josh thanks @josh. But I think he is really determined to replicate the servers.

Bart Silverstrim

It seems like a very insular culture there to have put out a product marketed like that. I just need a solution that does XYZ, quit selling me on the BS and runaround.

Josh

@coredump seems like it

in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 4 mins ago, by Tim Post

Folks, I need some help. I know that goes without saying, but this time I need advice too.

in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 4 mins ago, by Tim Post

I telecommute to work and have root access to about .. 2500 servers

in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 3 mins ago, by Tim Post

Last April 1 I ejected all of the CD ROM drives to set off the cage tamper alarms at once

in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 3 mins ago, by Tim Post

I gotta top that this year

Ideas for Tim? :-)

Bart Silverstrim

14:40

My favorite joke is to run shutdown -h now.

Since he telecommutes he doesn't even need to run away or hide from the security cameras.

Josh

That's a cruel joke :-)

Bart Silverstrim

The key is to run rm -fr /var/log first.

Josh

HAHAHA

Bart Silverstrim

Or replace /bin/bash with a forkbomb.

Blood runs from the head scratching then.

Josh

Remind me to never let you anywhere near my servers @Bart ;-)

Bart Silverstrim

14:42

Run a cron job that spawns another forked ping to a random server within the network, migrate it out to other servers. Claim they're just saying hello to each other.

Josh

LOL

Bart Silverstrim

Replace the shell with a modified version of ELIZA.

coredump

@Josh I think he got it.

point all vi to nano

Josh

@BartSilverstrim This is also great :-)

@coredump hey I use nano!

coredump

@Josh you fell several steps on my reputation lader. :P

Bart Silverstrim

14:45

I use nano too. I'm just not hardcore. The vi and emacs people make the swimming pool all yellow with their bickering.

Josh

@coredump yes, yes. I know.

Bart Silverstrim

Besides, I'm convinced the first Linux kernel was EMACS gaining sentience.

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Josh

I can remember nano's commands and it does everything I need it to. I always mess something up when using vi. Make fun of me, everyone else does. For whatever reason I just can't learn vi

coredump

@BartSilverstrim there's no bickering. Vi is the only editor a sysadmin should use. EMACS is good for running LISP.

@Josh I do miseries with vim.

Chris S

@Josh I've learned most of vi, and because it's on basically every flavour of *nix, I haven't been motivated to learn anything else.

Josh

14:51

I know I should learn it, but since I can do everything I need without it, it's just out of a desire to be less lame, so it's a low priority :-)

Tim Post

Thanks for all of the suggestions :)

'vi' will be randomly re-linked to emacs or pico

Isn't there a way to use emacs LISP in a bash loadable?

coredump

@TimPost PICO

Zypher

it annoys me that ubuntu installs the vi-min package by default

Bart Silverstrim

Having to learn vi or emacs when you can already do the job necessary in some other fashion that doesn't entail hair pulling is little more than an exercise in trying to pretend you belong with the "cool kids" rather than get stuff done.

Tim Post

e.g. root logins go directly to the emacs psychiatrist ?

coredump

14:55

@Josh don't ask about everything you must do with an editor, ask what else an editor can do for you.

@BartSilverstrim I disagree. Unix is all about text (configs), having a powerful editor helps more than just looking cool.

I was trying to find the screenshot of my vi while coding python, but could not. I will take another later

Bart Silverstrim

Unless it offers a definitive advantage, I see little need to learn a more complex editor to change a line in the apache config file.

That's all.

I wasn't saying anything about avoiding vi or emacs just because they are what they are, I'm saying that if you're just editing a couple lines here or there and it works fine for your workflow, don't worry about what the other people pick on you for.

coredump

@BartSilverstrim I used vi to change 1500 zone files once, using macros, substitution and etc. Of course I could have done it with sed and for but vi felt more natural to me.

Yes I think vi is natural :P

Bart Silverstrim

That is more a sign of mental illness than efficiency.

But again, I don't have 1500 zone files to fix. And again, I wasn't saying they don't have their place.

ErikA

ahh, lovely morning for yet another re-hashing of the quintessential *nix editor discussion.

Bart Silverstrim

Of course. Only I don't care one way or the other. :-)

Josh

15:00

@ErikA yeah I was about to respond and then decided to remain silent :-)

I just remembered I will probably need help later, LOL

Bart Silverstrim

What I "should do" is learn to automate everything to the point that I never need to show up to work and no one will know the difference.

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SmallClanger

The American for 'Trunking' is 'Raceway', isn't it?

Sometimes it's like another language over there...

Josh

@BartSilverstrim I have Tim Stone from MSO chat working on doing this for me. Soon, using his scripts my company will run itself and I will be able to chat all day long!

@SmallClanger "Trunking"?

coredump

I automated everything: I have minions

Bart Silverstrim

Trunking?

coredump

15:06

urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trunking

Bart Silverstrim

Oh, raceway the stuff you put cables in on walls and such.

coredump

I hope that is not it.

Bart Silverstrim

I thought you meant like racing cars.

That said, I have no effing idea.

SmallClanger

Electrical conduit

An electrical conduit is an electrical piping system used for protection and routing of electrical wiring. Electrical conduit may be made of metal, plastic, fiber, or fired clay. Flexible conduit is available for special purposes. Conduit is generally installed by electricians at the site of installation of electrical equipment. Its use, form, and installation details are often specified by wiring regulations, such as the U.S. NEC or other national or local code. The term "conduit" is commonly used by electricians to describe any system that contains electrical conductors, but the...

Seems to be the same thing. Was wondering if there was some subtle difference.

@coredump: No, it's not that. Or if it is, I'm in for an interesting weekend...

coredump

@SmallClanger it depends on what end you are :P

Chris S

15:11

@SmallClanger, what are you looking for?? Perhaps describing it would help...

Bart Silverstrim

I don't get the Scorpion song "rock me like a hurricane." Wouldn't earthquakes be more apropos? Hurricanes just blow you away.

Holocryptic

@BartSilverstrim good point. But it's still a great song. I'm willing to forgive them for that

Bart Silverstrim

be honest. dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-03-05

3

coredump

15:26

@BartSilverstrim but if you are ON A BOAT it would rock a lot with a hurricane. Until the point where it would be blown away

SmallClanger

@ChrisS: I'm not looking for anything in particular, just answering a question and wanted to use the correct term. I made this mistake myself trying to order trunking in the US doing a small install in San Francisco. Nobody knew what it was and I didn't know what to call it. :)

Chris S

"order trunking"???

Holocryptic

@BartSilverstrim that's awesome

SmallClanger

It's been a while, though, and I wasn't sure if I'd remembered it properly.

Follow any of the links from here: cmwltd.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=45 for an idea of what the term covers in the UK.

SLY

I need a lock for our server room / closet. Does anyone have any suggestions? Ideally it would be something that could be audited.

Holocryptic

15:29

@SLY get a key card system. You can audit the crap out of it.

Sam

Afternoon all

SLY

@Holocryptic Ok. Any ideas about where to get one?

Chris S

@SmallClanger Our name for it is just as bad as "trunking", we call them "cable raceway"

voretaq7

@SLY Where are you located? Keri Doors (kerisys.com/pages/products/mdac/doors) is pretty popular around here.

SLY

Buffalo, NY

Holocryptic

15:34

We use CCure for our security system. It seems alright. But I don't spend a lot of time in it, so I can't say how in depth the reporting systems are. But it's an access control system

SLY

@Holocryptic Where did you buy the CCure system

voretaq7

not far from me - downstate here. You should be able to find Keri dealers pretty easily & they're not hideously expensive :)

SLY

@voretaq7 Thanks!

voretaq7

CCure is pretty good too - I've worked at a few places that used it and the audit logs are fine for simple swiped-in/swiped-out lists (which is all I ever needed)

@SLY Don't thank me -- note that I said they're not hideously expensive :-) They're still expensive (compared to pin-and-tumbler locks with a limited number of do-not-duplicate keys anyway)

Holocryptic

@SLY we got ours through a vendor (MD based).

coredump

15:49

NSFW wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip/2011/03/09/Ass+kissing

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Holocryptic

"always use vaseline". Heh

packs

@coredump Well now I have to look at it

coredump

@packs :P

packs

@coredump Be careful sticking that thing out

coredump

Man, what's wrong with Arkansas? All incest jokes involve it :P

Bart Silverstrim

15:55

Not all of them. Virginia's popular for that too, as I recall.

Or is it west virginia?

Holocryptic

A little of both. But mostly WV

coredump

Hehe. Demotivators are on fire those last days

verydemotivational.memebase.com/2011/03/09/…

Last two links to memes I promise. First is cool, second is funny: wins.failblog.org/2011/03/08/epic-win-photos-honest-people-win wins.failblog.org/2011/03/09/epic-win-photos-users-guide-win

How many times you guys had to sacrifice good practices or security in order to get a system/app running no matter what?

I am doing that now.

Sysadmin1138 Expounds

SysAdmin1138 Expounds: What's in a System Administrator

posted on March 09, 2011 by SysAdmin1138

Having just come off of a job-hunt, I have a better idea of what the market thinks a 10-year System Administrator should have for skill-set. This keys into my earlier post on Defining System Administrator and IT Scale Out. Contrasted with these posts, the 10-year sysadmin has some or all of the following. At least according to the job-market:A deep expert in at least one Operating System (100% …

SmallClanger

@coredump: I often have to sacrifice a chicken or a goat to get apps working. (Securty/best practice went out the window a long time ago)

packs

I hate you all :(

coredump

16:06

@packs I like you

Bart Silverstrim

@coredump More often that I should have.

Chris S

@SmallClanger Two goats this week already and the chicken is starting last rights.

Holocryptic

Interesting... In GPMC you can't see the default folders in the domain like Computers, Users, etc. Weird

voretaq7

16:23

@Sysadmin1138Expounds BACON!

Zypher

►

packs

thinkgeek.com/interests/giftsforher/ce5c

It won't one box thinkgeek? Wow.

Cakemox

"right-shifted"

coredump

16:51

►

Your tongues can't repel flavor of that magnitude!

Josh

17:05

The system has found a problem on your machine and cannot continue.

The BIOS reports that NUMA node 1 has no memory. This problem is either caused
by a bad BIOS or a very unbalanced distribution of memory modules.

:-(

Chopper3

howdy guys, been a busy day

coredump

Hey @Chopper3, we noticed your absence :)

Bart Silverstrim

Any way to easily test what sharing, if any, is open on a Mac?

I.e., inadvertently sharing your iTunes library?

As far as I know only my home sharing is configured but I don't want to accidentally be sharing out stuff when out and about.

pauska

17:24

ahoy

:)

@Chopper3: Hi mate, was checking if you were here.. any experience with the P2000 G3 MSA disk shelf? Considering buying one with 6gbit sas, and connect two ESX servers to it for our daughter companies

coredump

@BartSilverstrim would nmap do?

pauska

oh, and does anyone here if its possible to transfer user profiles from one domain to another? Roaming profiles, and they're running on the same version (2008 R2 term services)

hobodave

@coredump you didn't know I'm a better cook than sysadmin?

coredump

@hobodave discovered this morning. Was a wonderful surprise

Bart Silverstrim

@coredump: I wasn't sure of the mechanism involved with the streaming/sharing in itunes, if it used an open port.

All 1000 scanned ports on <ip> are closed or filtered.

coredump

17:29

@BartSilverstrim did you include udp?

Bart Silverstrim

Didn't want to be lulled into a false sense of security for not knowing if there's some other mechanism it uses to do the sharing.

hobodave

yea I doubt music streaming uses TCP

Bart Silverstrim

Didn't know if it advertises some part of the connection with TCP.

packs

Almost definitely not

Chopper3

sorry, was away again sorry. Erik, don't do that with the SAS one, it'll be horrid and break, basically it doesn't support dual-hosts, only dual paths. Get the FC or iSCSI one instead

Bart Silverstrim

17:30

No, have to look up the UDP scan.

packs

Something about low jitter being more important than in order packets

coredump

-sU sorry

Bart Silverstrim

scanning.

NTP and Zeroconf ports on UDP all that are found.

packs

@coredump Doncha just love nmap's arguments?

coredump

@packs I get kinda lost in them sometimes.

Bart Silverstrim

17:33

Nmap's arguments look amazingly similar to the Klingon language. I think there's a reason for this.

pauska

@chopper3: huh, I was under the impression that it supported up to 4 dual-homed (or 8 single homed) hosts sharing the same storage

packs

If you're not a heavy user, I've heard good things about zenmap as a gui

coredump

@BartSilverstrim Zeroconf = Rendezvous = mdns so there's something sharing or at least supporting sharing

hobodave

according to apple its port 3689

support.apple.com/kb/TS1629?viewlocale=en_US TCP too

coredump

look 5353 on that list

mDNS

Bart Silverstrim

17:34

This is 5353

hobodave

I'm not even sure what you guys are trying to figure out

Chopper3

@pauska I'll check, one mo

hobodave

I thought you were trying to find out what port music streaming uses

coredump

so it has the support for sharing, but there's no way to tell if there's something actually sharing

Bart Silverstrim

Testing that the system isn't inadvertently sharing something like the itunes library.

coredump

17:35

@hobodave @BartSilverstrim is trying to find a way to check if a Mac is sharing something

Bart Silverstrim

I have home sharing set up, but I don't have the network sharing of the iTunes library enabled.

I.e., what I think should happen is that if "home sharing" under my account is authorized, you can find my stuff on the network. But if you are just a Mac user with iTunes, you shouldn't see anything shared.

Apparently (I only recently became aware of this) there's two kinds of sharing on iTunes. :-/

Chopper3

@pauska You're right that'll support that many hosts but it won't allow any sharing ok

pauska

@Chopper3: :(

that basically forces me to buy a dell shelf then

Bart Silverstrim

Having a laptop with home sharing set up, I want to make sure it won't be allowing random systems with iTunes to "Oh goody free stuff!"

Chopper3

why?

Bart Silverstrim

17:37

Home sharing in iTunes, that is.

packs

iTunes library sharing is cute.

Your machine broadcasts out what libraries are available, but then the other guys have to request the library from your machine.

Chopper3

the only configuration that I know will just about work is a TWO way MS cluster sharing its quorum via SAS like that

packs

Transparent firewalls in a network segment can cause some interesting situations where libraries show up, but cannot be connected to.

Chopper3

but ESX just won't considerit

Bart Silverstrim

From what i can find, @Packs, if you don't have general iTunes sharing, it won't do anything like advertising to other systems. But if you have the home sharing authorized to the particular account, everything shows up on those "linked" systems.

packs

17:39

@BartSilverstrim Oh, I can't speak to that. Home sharing is newer than my OSX experience.

Bart Silverstrim

My wife's laptop has home sharing enabled with my account and my AppleTV does too, so AppleTV can play content from both our systems. But if you just have a random Mac on the network looking for shared libraries, since I don't have iTunes sharing configured, it shouldn't show up.

That's the theory anyway.

pauska

@Chopper3: They're claiming that this one supports shared storage with ESX: dell.com/us/en/highered/Storage/powervault-md3200/…

Bart Silverstrim

Although she did learn that it lets her copy my purchased content to her computer :-/

Apparently you can have a certain number of copies to authorized systems with this mechanism.

packs

@BartSilverstrim Should be interesting to test that

See where all the edge cases are

Bart Silverstrim

And I don't want to have J. Random Jerk at the coffee shop perusing my library.

Especially because I'd be assuming I know how it works when I'm not entirely certain I have my bases covered.

(gaps in understanding)

hobodave

17:42

I share my library

doesn't matter to me

Bart Silverstrim

That would work right up until someone found your podcast list to be offensive in some way :-p

packs

@BartSilverstrim I tend not to be too concerned with someone being offended by something I do, so long as I'm not actually being offensive.

Bart Silverstrim

That makes little sense to me no matter how many times I reread it.

I tend not to get offended by what I do either... :-)

packs

@BartSilverstrim I'm not sure I follow :)

Chopper3

@pauska where do they claim it?

Bart Silverstrim

17:49

Ah, I think I misread a word.

@Packs but still the "so long as I'm not actually being offensive" I have found is very flexible in the eyes of others.

pauska

@Chopper3: Gah, reading the san guide from vmware now.. lists both the dell and hp sas arrays as "SAS Direct Attach"

no LUN sharing then

Chopper3

exactly

just get an FC box, it'll work and perform, or get the iscsi box and it'll work

pauska

or not.. am I reading this wrong?

vmware.com/resources/compatibility/pdf/vi_san_guide.pdf

look at page 5 and 6

doesnt it say that lun sharing etc is working, unless noted in a footnote?

look at page 1303.. no footnotes there

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