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20:02
I just flip the power strip's switch off and on. That way I can reboot the whole rack of servers at once. #DevOps (CC: @tylercoan)
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@WesleyDavid FUCKING (DevOps) CAT!
@voretaq7 Makes all the lights go blinky-blinky at once! S'pretty.
@WesleyDavid then the breaker trips.
ERMAGERD default install of Windows 7 is 12.4GiB?
Dan
Dan
Haha, missing the point
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A: How to sleep in a batch file?

acolyteYou can also insert a ping to localhost. This will take 4 seconds to complete (by default). It is considered a kludge by some, but works quite well all the same. The command: ping 127.0.0.1

20:11
@MikeyB ERMAGHERD! GIGABERTS!
"It is considered a kludge by some"
Does that means omeone (anyone) does not consider it a kludge?
@voretaq7 ㎇ if you prefer
MikeyB Aye, 12GB sounds normal for a default win7 install (with no swap and hibernate files)
@WesleyDavid wow - what a turd
While it will work it's the equivalent of driving a screw with a hammer. A wrong tool may work, but it's still wrong. — voretaq7 27 secs ago
Dan
Dan
20:17
@voretaq7 :)
@voretaq7 when you only have a hammer everything is screw shaped
Nail shaped?
Thoughts on Megabox (more specifically MegaKey)? http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/09/kim-dotcoms-megabox-music-service-or-malware/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arstechnica%2Findex+%28Ars+Technica+-+All+content%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
Replaces 15% of ads with ads for MegaBox on your computer, in exchange for free music downloads
@Hennes Iain is trying to think like a user
Dan
Dan
@David Not my cup of tea
20:18
@Iain When all I have is a screwdriver, everything becomes hammer-shaped
Can I use my ipod as a domain server?
Dan
Dan
@Basil When all I have is a gun, everything becomes a target
Oh wait, am I doing it right?
@Hennes As a hammer, imo
@Hennes no but a smart phone is good
Drat. I wanted something truly insane
20:19
No. you're still thinking like a sysadmin.
Bash your head into this pointy spike and try again...
Ah, so that is a penetration test
LSI people?
How do I enable "Cache When BBU Bad : Disabled"?
@ewwhite Don't.
@Basil So you should leave write caching turned on even when there's no battery-backup?
that is to say, the cache should be off if there's no battery
20:22
I think it is right below the "--I-know-what_I-am-doing" and the "shoot in foot mode" switches :)
There's a battery there...
Though I guess a good UPS is a battery
@Hennes Sure, if it never ever crashes of its own accord.
[root@bangbros-db8 MegaCli]# ./MegaCli64 -AdpAllInfo -aALL | grep BBU
BBU              : Present
BBU                             : Yes
Cache When BBU Bad               : Disabled
I have used three LSI devices in my life. One plain SCSI (for a tape changer), a 3ware (now LSI) RAID card where the BBU went bad and the card died a few eeks later, and the replacement card
20:24
but writes are blocked... and it's just very low quality.. the battery reporting is shit.
All of which sums up to 'barely any experience with LSI"
@Hennes yeah, I think the 3ware cards were what led my boss to believe that RAID is more hassle than it's worth.
@ewwhite batteries will expire when they're in perfectly good working order by design. Just replace it and move along.
it was replaced last week
Oh, and it's not showing up as good?
20:25
and the card replaced two weeks before that
and the chassis replaced before that
That's something I'd have to read the manual about- getting it to pick up on a new battery. I'd still not touch the cache disable option, though.
How hot is it in your chassis?
Do you have a support contract on that server?
SuperMicro
(that says it all)
call LSI then- assuming the card is still under warranty
20:26
My cooling was poor. CPU/GPU/drives all got good cooling. I forgot about the 20 watt RAID card and it got way too hot to touch
it's a hardware issue at this point
@Chopper3 I am a turd. A fuzzy little turd.
@ewwhite Pretty much. There's a reason that a bunch of cheap bastards like my org eventually went with IBM.
@Adrian In the defence of cheap bastards everywhere, you can afford to buy several supermicro servers for the price of an OEM server
now if there was an easy way to cluster them so you could simply replace the whole server when it's broke...
@Hennes chip temp is 140F
20:29
60C. That would classify as too hot to touch
I have no idea how how it is supposed to be. Or if that is a problem
checking a healthy server now
In the meantime...
[root@bangbros-db8 MegaCli]# ./MegaCli64 -LDSetProp CachedBadBBU -Lall -aAll
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@ewwhite lol
All I know mine got hotter than expected. And then the 1/2 year old BBU started complaining about imminent failure, not charging. A mont later the card failed
@ewwhite Bangbros? really?
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Which may or not be related
20:31
Nooo....
starwall'd
@ewwhite cover your shame man! Redact your hostnames!
I can't use the real client name...
Indeed. the CIA is perky about that. :)
@ewwhite I'm assuming you're just saying that to cover it up and that you're actually employed there.
20:32
@ewwhite root@pornucopia-001# .....
If I were starting a company from scratch, I'd totally name my domain and all my servers something like bangbros
nambla.com
@Chopper3 Taken :'(
(or is it .org? Not checking...)
me neither
20:33
So that does this mean?
@voretaq7 Proxy all the things?
Adapter 0-VD 0(target id: 0): Cache Policy:WriteBack, ReadAhead, Direct, Write Cache OK if bad BBU
@WesleyDavid Proxy Arp: Seal-fur Coat.
@ewwhite That your Big Beautiful Ukrainian is bad.
I'm used to HP terminology
20:35
@Basil Exactly. And it's easier to buy an OEM server that isn't going to break than to train 3 padawans to do manual failovers because I'm already busy fixing something that just bumped up to the top of the priority list.
MegaCli has to be the worst example of a command-line utility in existence.
Is this the room where we bitch about new SF users who don't have a sense of humor?
Or am I in the wrong place again? :p
MF'er... Evidently the way to upvotes is to paraphrase the answer that's already there, while adding some irrelevant chatter.
@AaronCopley How long have you been here and yet not known that?
Also, pictures.
@AaronCopley ASCII Art helps a lot
20:38
@WesleyDavid I've known it. Just getting on my nerves this week in particular.
@AaronCopley Doesn't work well for me. I find the way to upvotes is to summarize the answers that are already there and insert a joke.
@HopelessN00b Hah... Nice.
@AaronCopley Also, insulting the OP, while not pissing them off enough to end up like @HopelessN00b, that seems to work for TomTom
@ewwhite Oh, I know the megaraid stuff like that. That's not good: "Write Cache OK if bad BBU"
@ChrisS His terrible spelling and grammar are endearing too. If TomTom had strict writing skills, he'd be in the cellar.
20:40
@MikeyB I'm just trying to see if the cache is enabled and healthy on the controller.
@ewwhite Oh lolz - that was deliberate. :) NVM.
@ewwhite megacli -showsummary -a0
I get so much rep from shit answers
I feel dirty.
[root@bangbros-db8 MegaCli]# ./MegaCli64 -showsummary -a0

System
        OS Name (IP Address)       : Not Recognized
        OS Version                 : Not Recognized
        Driver Version             : Not Recognized
        CLI Version                : 8.00.40

Hardware
        Controller
                 ProductName       : LSI MegaRAID SAS 9265-8i(Bus 0, Dev 0)
                 SAS Address       : 500605b003912910
                 FW Package Version: 23.7.0-0035
                 Status            : Optimal
@ewwhite There you go! Now post it as a proper question so I can answer it :p
@MikeyB BBU Type : Unknown
20:42
@ewwhite Yeah, but it's healthy. :p Lemme fire up my examplar...
@Voretac Aye. I just got an accepted on something wrong.
Granted, with a link to the correct answer
And I came back to improve after some testing.
Dan
Dan
Was it anyone on here now that posted that really nice looking API for making cool reporting tools in Metro?
@Dan I'm almost always more than willing to take credit for another person's fine work. Is that what you're looking for?
Dan
Dan
@HopelessN00b If you can produce the link, sure
@ewwhite haaha damn
20:47
@MikeyB what?
BBU
         BBU Type          : iBBU
         Status            : Replace Battery pack
@Dan Oh, no, nothing that fancy or useful. Just willing to claim it was me is all the service I provide.
Resolved -> Duplicate. Resolved -> Duplicate. Resolved -> Invalid. Open the ticket again, fucker. I dare you.
Dan
Dan
@JeffFerland Resolved -> User is a Prick
@JeffFerland User Account -> Deleted.
Dan
Dan
20:49
@WesleyDavid User -> Expunged
@ewwhite You will also find this useful:
megacli -AdpEventLog -GetEvents -f /tmp/events.txt -a0
@Dan User -> Defenestrated
@MikeyB on the healthy server...
Hardware
        Controller
                 ProductName       : LSI MegaRAID SAS 9265-8i(Bus 0, Dev 0)
                 SAS Address       : 500605b004882f10
                 FW Package Version: 23.4.1-0028
                 Status            : Need Attention
Dan
Dan
@WesleyDavid I laughed, out loud :(
@ewwhite Also, do this: megacli -ldinfo -l0 -a0
My BBU is bad so it shows:
Default Cache Policy: WriteBack, ReadAheadNone, Direct, No Write Cache if Bad BBU
Current Cache Policy: WriteThrough, ReadAheadNone, Direct, No Write Cache if Bad BBU
I have become the freakin' megacli whisperer.
21:00
@WesleyDavid More like this: user { "foo": ensure => "defenestrated" }
That way if it doesn't take the first time, they'll get chucked out the window at the next run.
@MikeyB there's something really wrong
I get high I/O wait with any controller operation
@ewwhite Nothing in event log?
oh, let me look
what do I need to look for?
@ewwhite err... errors... :)
total non sequitur, but how much does a dial-tone generator cost for a T1 line?
I'm losing my shit.
21:04
@MikeyB format isn't showing much
of interest
@ewwhite format?
shit like..
seqNum: 0x0000730f
Seconds since last reboot: 28
Code: 0x0000005b
Class: 0
Locale: 0x02
Event Description: Inserted: PD 20(e0x1e/s17)
Event Data:
===========
Device ID: 32
Enclosure Index: 30
Slot Number: 17
@Chopper3 and this is why we buy HP
@ewwhite Oh well yeah… start at the bottom and work up…
What does megacli -ldinfo -l0 -a0 show?
Oh, um...
[root@<redacted>-db8 MegaCli]# ./MegaCli64 -ldinfo -l0 -a0


Adapter 0 -- Virtual Drive Information:
Virtual Drive: 0 (Target Id: 0)
Name                :
RAID Level          : Primary-1, Secondary-0, RAID Level Qualifier-0
Size                : 278.875 GB
State               : Optimal
Strip Size          : 64 KB
Number Of Drives    : 2
Span Depth          : 1
Default Cache Policy: WriteBack, ReadAhead, Direct, Write Cache OK if Bad BBU
Current Cache Policy: WriteBack, ReadAhead, Direct, Write Cache OK if Bad BBU
@ewwhite Nice redaction :) Seriously though… looks good to me. Maybe it's a marginal drive that's on it's way to failing and taking a long time to do IO?
Anyways, gotta run.
21:08
20 disks.
21:31
Do you ever slap yourself in the forehead and say "Holy fuck! I don't know if I work for a startup!" If so, perform the following simple test. Does anyone wear a hoodie to work without getting fired? If so, you run the serious risk of being in the employ of a startup.
@JoelESalas Or a Homeless Shelter.
And on another note: I fervently hope Mark Shuttleworth dies in a fire screaming.
@Adrian Perform. Do not hope.
@WesleyDavid Airfare is a problem. Need to sub-contract that to somebody in the UK.
@JoelESalas Ok, that is pretty fscking hilarious.
21:40
@Adrian Agreed
I really like the part "Ubuntu really cares about users having the best advertising experience possible"
21:52
@Adrian That would be NONE you cockbiters!
T-5 minutes
wooooo
22:29
@ewwhite What do you think? itworld.com/cloud-computing/298575/…
@WesleyDavid You know what would be great for that? GPGPUs
22:44
Yo Americans, when is "Late Fall 2012" in Gregorian calendar?
@MarkHenderson November
@JoelESalas Cool, thanks. I hate it when companies release things by season instead of goddamn dates
23:01
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DevOps

Proposed Q&A site for dedicated DevOps engineers looking to improve the interoperation between development and operations.

Currently in definition.

@freiheit It's neve rgoing to get off the ground
12 days and that little activity?
@MarkHenderson Good
@MarkHenderson I was hoping for a train wreck
23:17
bah devops blah
Isn't stackexchange big into devops?
But in a way that isn't insane and actually useful?
no it's not devops it's being competant
@Zoredache They're big into doing systems administration and development right.
Some people have misinterpreted doing their damn jobs like a rational human being as something called "devops."
I agree with much of the methodology, but the term grates on me.
So, who wants to be the one to ask a snarky question as an example of what the DevOps site would have on it? Like "How is this any different than ServeRFault?"
@WesleyDavid And many other people have decided that modern tools mean a development team can work without an operations team. These are the ones we hate
23:22
^^ how i feel about F$#(% devops
@JoelESalas No-ops, bitches!
@JoelESalas i don't hate them, i just feel sad for them
also schaudenfrude
(or however the hell it's spelled)
I wish you could downvote Area51 suggestions.
@Zypher I prefer to call it "job security"
And guess who proposed DevOps.SE? A SuperLuser. How fitting.
23:24
@Zypher At $NEWJOB, DevOps is a separate team that sits between dev and ops. Meaning, there's an entire development team, a dev-operations team, and a production-operations team
@JoelESalas Meta, man. Meta. And isn't that the total opposite of what devops means? Kinda like a peace rally where participants overturn cars and set them on fire? I mean... kinda like Canada?
@WesleyDavid I don't care, to us it means "there's an ops team to support devs, and a separate ops team to support the product"
jesus, I'm still working :(
(devops is not a large department)
@JoelESalas what kind of crack was the person who thought that up on?
23:26
@Zypher Wow man, what you just did to prepositions set the English language back two hundred years.
@Zypher I think it works really well
@WesleyDavid meh don't make me get the nazi killer out
If I use my google account to authenticate to SE sites, how can I use my SE login to authenticate to A51?
23:30
@Basil hmm?
never mind, I figured it out
glad to be of service
:D
if you have a few free moments, would you please take a simple servey to rate your customer support experience?
It will have lots of profanity.
23:32
Sure. Is the first question "Do you have toooooo much free time" ?
Actually, I'm trying to come up with a question to help define the devops.se...
@Hennes hey man i'm on a plane right with nothing else to do
Books. Books. Books.
I've got nothing but free time
I like riding the line between funny and offensive, but I don't want to piss anyone off too much.
23:33
Never get on a plane without at least two pocket books
so far, here's what I have:
@Hennes but ... INTERNET
(well, depending on flight time).
Two pockets where insufficient fort the NL (Europe) -> Australia flight
No internet on board of a plane.
"My sysadmin has his panties in a wad. What's wrong with using the power bar to quickly power down a rack of servers in order to reboot them?"
Well, not 6 years ago
23:33
Or...
@Hennes there is on this one ...
and no movies either (just a broken screen)
ooo man that sucks
"What's the best way to give root access to the SAN to an entire team without having to share a password?"
had that happen on a PHL -> SLC flight once
5 hours for PHL -> SLC ?
yea that's about right
@Hennes That's a hell of a headwind.
about a day for NL -> Aus
in very small seats.
yea that ... hurts
23:36
(I am a regular length guy. 1,87m)
Kev
Kev
Howdy folks
Google claims that that is 6 feet 1⅝ inch
Kev
Kev
Does this fit the bill here: stackoverflow.com/questions/12610405/…
Whack the new guy GENTLY, please
@Basil Looks like an awesome place to go trolling, honestly.
@Kev As much as it belong anywhere, I suppose.
23:38
@Kev I don't know if website administration is a taboo for a sysadmin site... but it seems like something our users would be able to help with
(wtb area51 onebox!)
Kev
Kev
@Basil I read it as a question about a borked nginx, rather than a site admin question
@Basil Well, I dunno about that.... he did try to bind an interface to 0.0.0.0:80, so there may be no helping him, but at least we'd have people around who could identify the problem accurately.
@Kev You realize that you're asking that of the peanut gallery?
@Adrian Probably not. @Kev, it's fine. Not even the worst thing we've had migrated out way this evening, I'll bet.
Kev
Kev
@Adrian lol
23:42
@Kev Fair Warning and all. It's more sporting that way.
and I'm done trolling the devops.se
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