The Comms Room

Michael Hampton

17:00

@Iain How can we get that "general reference" close reason on SF?

Dan

@MichaelHampton Tough to quantify, to be honest, but not a great deal. My experience is more with appliance type systems (ESXi, XenServer and stuff like that). I'm not completely uncomfortable in Linux, but I'm pretty reliant on Google-Fu rather than actual understanding

MikeyB

@Dan Never did them, did sit for the certs on a lark. They are a bit of a joke, though I don't really know how good the training is. Like anything, I suspect it depends on your instructor.

Michael Hampton

@Dan OK, self assessment. Can you: Install Linux, find a file, look at the system logs, configure the firewall, install a software package?

Dan

@MichaelHampton Yes

Michael Hampton

@Dan Can you get around reasonably well on the command line? ls, grep, etc., don't scare you off?

Dan

17:02

@MichaelHampton Not had a huge need for grep, but yeah, I can get myself round

ewwhite

@dan can you tune a kernel's sysctl parameters to lower networking latency and modify the virtual memory subsystem to cater to memory-hungry applications?

Dan

I can even use VI if i'm in the mood

Michael Hampton

HAHAHA

@Dan Then that training is probably too basic for you.

Dan

@MichaelHampton I'm so awkward, but thanks :)

ewwhite

If not, that's fine... because most people don't seem to tune or tweak their Linux systems.

get used to the major distributions

Michael Hampton

17:03

@ewwhite Most people don't tune or tweak anything.

Dan

@ewwhite No, I can not :D

MikeyB

@Dan But you can google for it :) Heck I don't think I even do that without looking it up.

Michael Hampton

Look up messages that I've starred from @ewwhite and you'll find it.

Dan

But I know how to bind CPU's to DOM0 and reserve it memory if that stands for anything.

Iain

@Dan in the right environment

Dan

17:06

@Iain I might wizz through them at double speed just to brush up on basic skills gaps, but yeah, it sounds like it's not worth investing serious learning time in those

ewwhite

I was going to write an answer to this...

Dan

Is there any such thing as nothing to RHCE type course. I know it sounds stupid, but I love computer based training and sometimes I'm shocked at how basic some topics are.

ewwhite

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Q: HP P410 RAID + Samsung 830 SSDs + Debian 6.0 - What performance to expect?

I'm renting two dedicated servers from a hosting company. Here are the specs: server1: HP ProLiant DL165 G7 2x AMD Opteron 6164 HE 12-Core 40 GB RAM HP Smart Array P410 RAID controller 2x Samsung 830 256 GB SSD server2: HP ProLiant DL120 G7 Intel Xeon E3-1270 16 GB RAM HP Smart Array P410 RAID ...

But I'm tired of seeing people post the same thing...

dd is not a disk benchmarking tool!!

Iain

@Dan I have this amazon.co.uk/dp/0071765654/…

Dan

@Iain Do you think I'd be able to keep up with it?

Michael Hampton

17:09

@dan Red Hat has a free online assessment tool (free reg. req'd) which should give you a good idea where you stand.

Dan

@MichaelHampton Ah, nice one

Michael Hampton

Last time I took it, the result was "Go take the RHCE exam now, silly!"

Chris S

@ewwhite It's probably accurate, or in the ballpark, though... I've seen plenty of "performance" issues when people use non-HP drives with HP SA controllers. This doesn't surprise me in the least.

@MichaelHampton Oh, does it give you a score or anything?

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Yeah

Chris S

Taking test, please stand by...

Iain

17:13

@Dan probably, it walks you through the topics @KennyRasschaert has it too

ewwhite

@ChrisS Yeah, I've never had an issue with non-HP disks.

Chris S

I've never had issues with the disk not working, though I've heard stories. But performance is another story, I've never got stellar performance out of non-HP disks.

@MichaelHampton How many sections are in this thing? Do you know?

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS It's pretty lengthy.

Chris S

=/

ewwhite

@ChrisS it took me something like an hour...

Dan

17:25

@MichaelHampton Hey, that wasn't so bad. Substantial knowledge of essential CLI commands, and oh shit I pressed the back button and I can't see the rest

Said I was unfamiliar with flexible storage and package installation which is fine, because I've only ever used apt and barely done anything with virtual volumes

Chris S

@ewwhite O_O

ewwhite

I did it earlier this year

Michael Hampton

Dan

@MichaelHampton nice

Someone find me a Windows one, quick :D

Michael Hampton

ROFL

Aaron Copley

17:29

@MichaelHampton Testing soon?

Michael Hampton

@AaronCopley Only if I can find someone dumb enough to pay for it.

Aaron Copley

Yea, that's where I am sitting right now. Want to get the cert, don't want to pony up the $400.

aaroncopley.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=rhce

jscott

Is this one of those tests with trick questions? Q. "Press Ctrl-Alt-F2 to go to a virtual console and login. What happens when you type exit?" -- A. Nothing! You didn't press [enter]!

Aaron Copley

@jscott The entire exam is performance based. There are no questions on it. It's a live lab.

jscott

@AaronCopley Opps, talking about the RHEL one above. :)

Aaron Copley

17:34

Oh, yea the evaluation is not particularly useful for the actual exam. :/

Michael Hampton

The RHCE exam is a hands-on, practical exam that lasts 2 hours. Internet access is not provided during the exam. Outside materials are not permitted. Documentation that ships with Red Hat Enterprise Linux is available during the exam.

Jeff Ferland

A server is a sort of bulked-up desktop computer, minus a screen and keyboard, that contains chips to process data. -The New York Times

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ewwhite

@JeffFerland And data centers are evil.

Jeff Ferland

@ewwhite Wonder if they ever considered the efficiency benefit. We run the whole damn Internet off the equivalent of 30 nuclear plants, powering data for the whole damn world? Fucking awesome!

Yeah, it could be better... I'd like to see more dynamic capacity / spinup planning, but... shrug

ewwhite

That was a weird article. Very off...

Scott Pack

17:41

@MichaelHampton I see from your tabs that you're learning puppet syntax. I don't see a tab for puppet-dashboard. Tsk tsk.

ewwhite

Man, I can't ever get Puppet Dashboard to behave.

Michael Hampton

@ScottPack I'd have to reopen it.

Have to punch a hole in the firewall for it, too...

@ScottPack Anyway, I'm deferring that until I get around to installing passenger.

Scott Pack

@MichaelHampton The tricksome thing was getting report submission working over SSL.

Chris S

@MichaelHampton No score, it just ranks you in the various areas. I got 3 "Unfamiliars", 9 "Limited", 2 "Some", 2 "Substantial" and 12 "Deep Understanding".

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Yeah, they've shortened it quite a bit since the last time I took it. It was a couple hundred questions...

Chris S

17:48

Apparently I suck at Linux Networking, Yum, and SELinux. No surprises there.

It was like 200 or so... I'm extremely good at taking tests.

Michael Hampton

Too much of my weekend was spent trying to figure out why my mouse jumps to the corner of the screen in VMware Workstation full screen mode.

Chris S

Apparently I'm really good with Enhanced User Security, and LVM.... I've never used LVM before, so that I'll chalk up to guessing. Sudo I never use personally, but know how it works.

pauska

@ChrisS just type "sudo -i" - then you're back at good ol' su

Chris S

I'm sure most of what screwed me in the Networking section is that I'm familiar with FreeBSD. Linux used to use FreeBSD's network stack back in the day, but hasn't for years now. I think they threw in a bunch of options that used to work back in those days, but don't anymore, to screw with people who haven't updated or are familiar with BSD-land.

@pauska I think I got that one wrong then. =]

Doesn't su work on RHEL?

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Deadline elevator is better, even on SSDs?

ewwhite

17:54

I sucked at SELinux.

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Sure, su works on RHEL. That's the usual way of switching to root, unless you explicitly enable sudo.

Chris S

I'm still not sure what the heck it is...

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton Yeah, I started rolling out my consulting application servers with SSD's... and put shit through all sorts of tests.

Chris S

@MichaelHampton Hrm, may I got that one right... I dunno.

voretaq7

@ChrisS and they moved hardware stuff out of ifconfig and into ethtool. Fuckers.

ewwhite

17:56

Very little reason to use noop unless you're on some weird SAN storage like IBM XIV...

Chris S

@voretaq7 Yeah, thought I had heard that, but ifconfig was an option on the test, so it sounded reasonable. =]

Michael Hampton

Oh, and in case it wasn't obvious, everybody got different questions.

ewwhite

18:07

In case y'all don't know. I make up some of the server names I use in examples.

Michael Hampton

namemyserver.net

ewwhite

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A: HP P410 RAID + Samsung 830 SSDs + Debian 6.0 - What performance to expect?

There's a lot to cover here. If you want more performance (in order from greatest to least impact): Add another pair of disks and expand to RAID 1+0. This will provide the greatest benefit. Tune your filesystem (noatime, journaling mode, remove write barriers, etc.) and/or move to a higher-p...

Kitteh :) I like that meme.

Chris S

@MichaelHampton Is "deep" the best rating?

pauska

@ewwhite SSD's for sequential data? I don't even

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Yes, as far as I can tell.

ewwhite

18:08

@pauska I know...

Chris S

Oh; well that changes things a bit!

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Gawd, I've been using Red Hat stuff for so long I'd be surprised if I didn't get a perfect score on whatever questions they gave.

serverfault.com/questions/431460/…

Chris S

@MichaelHampton BOOM!

Michael Hampton

KILL KILL KILL

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton Let's test you on the real Red Hat stuff, then...

Michael Hampton

18:12

Oh gawd.

@ewwhite Remember I work mostly for small businesses, so my "enterprise" knowledge is limited to what I've learned here on SF :)

Dan

Oh please post the content here for us <10kers

Michael Hampton

@Dan It started with plz can haz and just went downhill from there.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton Tuning, my man. Realtime kernels, cgroups, cset, taskset, gettimeofday speedups..

Chris S

I don't want to ask any questions because most of them are so basic they've already been covered, hence I keep arriving here from google.

I feel obliged to vote the solutions up and give credit where due but Voting Up Requires 15 Reputation (Click this box to dismiss).

ewwhite

rtctl and realtime prioritzation...

Michael Hampton

18:16

@ewwhite But if I tuned better, I wouldn't need to buy more servers and have VMware experts like you run them!

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton I'm at new job... and I see some messed up issues with virtual machines.

they are all set to the default CFQ... and that doesn't work too well

Dan

@ChrisS Haha, epic

Aaron Copley

@ChrisS How hard is it to get 15 rep.?

Chris S

@AaronCopley 3 Q upvotes or 2 A upvote....

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite
cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
noop [deadline] cfq

Chris S

18:21

A monkey could do it.

Michael Hampton

One halfway decent answer would do it.

Aaron Copley

@ChrisS So, what he's saying is, he's unable to contribute to the community with questions or answers, but feels compelled to participate in the community.

David

Afternoon, gentlemen

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I know tuned-adm profile virtual-guest and beyond that I don't worry too much unless there are problems (and so far there aren't).

David

@voretaq7 i contributed to your retirement fund on saturday

ewwhite

18:23

@MichaelHampton I wish more people knew about it

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite It's a pretty well kept secret. Nobody would ever look for it in the documentation.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton the CFQ scheduler got worse over time. So people go to EL6 and are like, OMGWTFBBQ?!?

Michael Hampton

Sometimes I think I'm one of the few people who even know that RHEL has documentation.

Aaron Copley

RHEL's documentation is surprisingly good.

voretaq7

@David Danke!

actually my cash cow is down $10 on the news that (a) Apple can't meed iPhone 5 demand, and (b) ZOMG IT SCRATCHES! I CRY EMO-TEARS!

Michael Hampton

18:32

Apple never makes enough iPhones to meet demand. It's pretty standard practice by now.

Iain

@AaronCopley about a week on SF ~ 10 seconds on SO

Michael Hampton

Having "enough" (whatever number that is) would delay the launch date.

Aaron Copley

@Iain Truth! SF'ers hoard their upvotes like there's an upvote exchange rate.

Michael Hampton

Gawd, on SF I can hardly ask a question and get over 10 votes for it.

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton that's not the reason... I'm convinced it's artificial scarcity

Iain

18:35

@AaronCopley did you see the link I left for you - the real world mimicking commedy with pi LAMP servers ?

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 Exactly.

Aaron Copley

No, I missed it!

David

@voretaq7 how much was the stock price when you bought?

Aaron Copley

Let me search..

Iain

-2

Q: LAMP on Raspberry Pi - Almost done

So I have followed the following tutorial:- http://fusionstrike.com/2012/setting-mysql-raspberry-pi-debian For apache/PHP/mysql and it's running fine. However I need some more setup help. How can I set up virtualhosts each with there own FTP access and vanity nameservers pointing to the pi IP...

apache2 mysql php lamp arm

Aaron Copley

18:36

@Iain Nice... I had no idea this was a thing.

voretaq7

@David varied - 75 was the lowest but I had no money back then

Iain

oh noes mu LOPSA membership expired - I guess SF aren't sponsoring us again the is year

voretaq7

most of it was acquired between 100 and 200

David

I'm on AT&T chat to get my account fixed, and the dude has said "I do understand on that notion sir", THREE times

ewwhite

@Iain Same here

voretaq7

18:38

@David "Notions are for sewing. Now fix this shit or escalate me OK?"

Justin Dearing

If Apple's stock's price ever crashes I'm just assuming @voretaq7 has already defenestrated himself long before I heard the news.

voretaq7

@JustinDearing meh, as long as I sell it above 200 I've made good bank :P

HopelessN00b

Anyone use a cloud-based spam filter email-security product?

Iain

@AaronCopley nor did I till you mentioned it in jest then it appeared - care to jest about me winning the lottery ?

Justin Dearing

BTW where do the linux weenies get off deprecating netstat with tools that don't exist in FreeBSD linux.die.net/man/8/netstat

Aaron Copley

18:40

@Iain Shiiiitt... split it with'ya?

voretaq7

Those who did not read POSIX are doomed to produce inferior clones with nonstandard behavior.

BRB, killing your database server because someone launched Firefox...

Justin Dearing

@HopelessN00b by cloud based you simply mean not part of your infrastructure?

Aaron Copley

LOL N00BS RASPBERRY PI LAMPS @Iain WINS THE LOTTO.

Iain

@ewwhite I'm not renewing and if SF do then I'll opt out - it's really not useful outside of the US and I guess it's quite limited there too

Aaron Copley

@Iain Let's see if that works.

Iain

18:41

@AaronCopley :D

ewwhite

@Iain useless.

voretaq7

LOPSA tries

they don't succeed much, but they do try

Iain

@ewwhite it's far too beardy for me

HopelessN00b

@JustinDearing Well, that would be one definition, I suppose.

Iain

@voretaq7 they need to engage with their audience better. You don't do that through mailing lists and irc

Justin Dearing

18:42

I wouldn't necessarily mind if these ss and ip tools were ported to FreeBSD and windows. Just don't go calling netstat deprecated. Even the as/400's have a netstat command that behaves as reasonably well as one could hope

voretaq7

@Iain well like you said it's deep neckbeard territory there

HopelessN00b

Trying to figure out just how full of shit this support tech is.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b What did he tell you to break?

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b A good support tech will expand to fit the volume of shit they need to contain

Adrian

Spend 3 days building a prototype for 1pm meeting today. RAID dies at 11:45 and it's all gone.

Michael Hampton

18:44

@Adrian Backups, man!

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Well, basically he said, yeah, when someone replies to an email with external and internal recipients, the reply-to field is mangled and the internal recipients won't get the email, and nothing can be done about it.

voretaq7

iLOL'd

--- Redacted since it offended me enough to delete in the origin room ---

Totally NSFW tho

like really REALLY nsfw

Adrian

We don't do BMR here, just user data.

Michael Hampton

Wow, I finally got to act on a chat flag.

@HopelessN00b I've been working on a protocol to deliver electroshock therapy over IP. Interested in helping?

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Very. I think I have to go deliver some of that therapy in person at the moment, but when I get back from draining the battery on my taser, we definitely need to chat about your idea.

Michael Hampton

18:47

@voretaq7 That wasn't safe for... almost anywhere.

MikeyB

@voretaq7 I thought it was awesome enough to tweet out.

@JustinDearing Deprecated on Linux.

In other news, Linux is the new gold POSIX standard.

Michael Hampton

@JustinDearing First I'd ever heard of it. Glad you brought it up though, that ss tool looks pretty nice.

Jeff Ferland

@MichaelHampton Didn't we already discuss routing POE? :)

Michael Hampton

@JeffFerland Yes, but I don't think 48 volts is sufficient.

The destinations that I'm thinking of need to have about 48,000 volts delivered.

voretaq7

@MikeyB "Not until I see an IEEE document in this binder!" :-P

@MikeyB Alternative response: "That's Iron Pyrite you damn idjit! It left a green-black streak!"

MikeyB

18:52

@voretaq7 Everything I learned about identifying precious metals & gems I learned from Nethack.

voretaq7

>Remove standard from POSIX binder
You can't. It's cursed.

Jeff Ferland

@MichaelHampton You just need a multiplexer to turn your parallel inputs into a serial input. :)

voretaq7

@JeffFerland 48V can hurt if applied correctly.

MikeyB

I'm sorry, but if you turn to 4chan for tech support you deserve what you get: nastyhobbit.org/details.php?image_id=2130

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 The cabling guys didn't install it "correctly" then.

David

19:01

@MikeyB this work-safe?

MikeyB

@David Yep

Dan

@MikeyB I can beat that, lemme find it

One for the car bods, never did conclude if it was an elaborate troll but he really did make a previous question where someone offered the joke "solution"

mustangforums.com/forum/5-0l-general-discussion/…

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Michael Hampton

@Dan Oh holy ......

MikeyB

@Dan Wow.

Also: Wait for it…

►

@David I'm pretty good at tagging things #nsfw

voretaq7

@Dan oy

@MikeyB Whisky Tango Foxtrot?

Aaron Copley

19:09

@Dan audiforums.com/forum/off-topic-5/…

MikeyB

@voretaq7 I had to download that and go frame-by-frame in VLC to get the full impact.

voretaq7

@MikeyB bah effort.

David

@MikeyB i was just worried from the URL

nasty hobbit...

MikeyB

@David Yeah, that's easily something that could be NSFW in 4 dimensions.

David

4 dimensions?

voretaq7

19:13

@MikeyB @David There is actually a Trixie Hobitses on Facebook apparently. May or may not be safe for work (no nudity that I can see, but too creeped out to look)

Trixie Hobitses - sexiest stripper in The Shire precious! Gives us the ring!

MikeyB

@David i.e. at some point in time it'll likely be NSFW.

Iain

how many members does LOPSA have ?

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 She's not entirely unattractive.

voretaq7

@Iain Not sure...

@ScottPack no she's not... and certainly not by Hobbit standards of beauty!

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 Affirmative.

Justin Dearing

19:19

Is hobbit porn illegal? Trying to decide if I look at the page on the light rail on my phone, or in my home.

Scott Pack

@JustinDearing Don't worry. Either she's not really a Hobbit, or else the entire set is done up well to scale.

That and it appears to be just plain old burlesque. Certainly nothing quite as extravagant as bazzers.

Justin Dearing

good to know

HopelessN00b

Hobbits suck anyway, always hoarding gold and stealing my Lucky Charms. >:/

Justin Dearing

Can someone add a CIM alias to WMI on serverfault, superuser and stackoverflow?

I'll edit the WIKIs

Jeff Ferland

@MikeyB Wow.

Dan

19:32

@MikeyB Ho..leee.shiiiit

Basil

LOOK WHAT I JUST FOUND: reddit.com/r/devops

HopelessN00b

@Basil Must be purged with nuclear fire, only way to be sure. Nuke from orbit, collateral damage be damned.

Lucas Kauffman

evening gents

HopelessN00b

Not for another 73 minutes, it's not. EoB can't come fast enough today.

Chris S

19:47

This weekend I got a Fan Failure report from our SAN. Fan Module 3 failed, then seconds later Fan Module 4 failed. Can anyone see the problem here?

David

@HopelessN00b @LucasKauffman 130 minutes for me

Lucas Kauffman

@ChrisS yea, where are they on the map?

Chris S

@LucasKauffman We have a winner!

Basil

probably never existed

just the firmware spitting out gibberish errors

Lucas Kauffman

@ChrisS second time I win something on SE this week, yeeeey

Jeff Ferland

19:52

@Dan Did Shervin get a car?! (atrocity to motorcycle)

Chris S

@Basil I prefer to think that the SAN missed me and wanted some attention... but yeah, there are no fans 3 and 4...

Lucas Kauffman

@ChrisS do I get USB stick from you too :o?

@JeffFerland talking about that when are the prizes going to be sent out :p?

Chris S

@LucasKauffman I think I've got a 32MB USB stick around here somewhere... Might be worth the laugh to send it.

Lucas Kauffman

@ChrisS you do realise I can almost fit a complete linux kernel on that!

Jeff Ferland

@LucasKauffman What?

Chris S

19:53

I've been working with Zeus for my security class too; I'll load a fresh copy on there for ya. ;]

Basil

@ChrisS I get a weekly "error 0x2011" from a perfectly good (well...) EMC array

Lucas Kauffman

@JeffFerland anniversary stackexchange thingy, I won that corsair survivor :p

Jeff Ferland

@LucasKauffman No, replying to the starred mustang comment

Basil

Translation: ERROR ERROR EVERYTHING IS FINE NOTHING TO SEE HERE MOVE ALONG CITIZEN

Chris S

@Basil These are not the errors you're looking for; move along, move along.

Lucas Kauffman

19:54

@ChrisS I'll use it on my windows NT

tombull89

Phantom Fans. Woo.

Lucas Kauffman

@JeffFerland starred mustang comment?

Jeff Ferland

@LucasKauffman Click on the arrow to the left of what I said to see what it was in reply to.

Basil

@ChrisS I googled around, and everyone who gets them complains about the necessity of them. They're literally just to tell you that everything is working. Like we wouldn't notice if something wasn't working... fucking EMC

tombull89

@LucasKauffman You may laugh, but my dad (engineer for subsidy of Canon) got asked to install print drivers for a copier in an office. The office had Windows 2000, XP, Vista, and 7.

Basil

19:55

the day we replace them with netapp will be a gold letter day in my calendar.

I fucking hate the VNX

Lucas Kauffman

@tombull89 o.o

Basil

The clariion'd be a great little box if it weren't for that terribad nas they bolted onto it.

tombull89

@LucasKauffman Incredibly, he got drivers for everything then GTFO'd

Scott Pack

@tombull89 Do they work in manufacturing or broadcast? Because either one of those wouldn't surprise me.

Basil

reddit.com/r/devops/comments/10epjr/…

Lucas Kauffman

19:57

@JeffFerland I don't get it "
@JeffFerland talking about that when are the prizes going to be sent out :p?"

I know some guys at school did a project to roll out a few hundred new installs, set up a PXE, only to find out the whole place was using hubs

Chris S

@LucasKauffman Better find a multicast deployment method quick. =]

Scott Pack

Nothing like Ghost over 10/half connections.

Chris S

The switch I have for my house is only 10/100.... Drives me up the wall when I'm used to 1Gb at work... Even then I saturate it on a regular basis.

tombull89

@ScottPack Not sure what it was...probably printing considering the machine they were having put in.

Iain

huh serverfault.com/questions/431498/auto-start-mysql-and-apache ? why not read the man page of the command

@MichaelHampton regarding general reference - I don't think it got implemented

jscott

20:10

@JeffFerland OMG, I wish those ZX-10 videos were still available.

HopelessN00b

Do kill it, please.

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Q: Preferred OS for hosting Tomcat servlet container

I know that I'm taking a risk, pitting the differing OS religions against each other, but I would like professional opinions about hosting a servlet container. In my case the container is set, we will be using Tomcat. But what is in question is the hosting operating system. We have administrat...

hosting tomcat operating-system

Chopper3

Is the answer OS/2 Warp?

Brent Pabst

anyone worked with the IIS web farm framework a lot?

Scott Pack

@Chopper3 I'm going to go with AmigaOS.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b If it's that awful, downvote it.

@Iain Some other SE sites have "general reference"

Iain

20:22

@MichaelHampton do they - which ones and what does it replace ?

Michael Hampton

@Iain First one I saw was scifi.SE

pauska

@Chopper3 The answer is always OS/2 Warp

HopelessN00b

I'm already out of downvotes reviewing the late answers queue. I think I burned 20 rep on downvotes today from less than 50 late answers. The st00pid, it burns, and all that.

I almost edited the whole thing away with ~"awful shit answer removed," but thought better of it.

Michael Hampton

@Chopper3 Depends. Is the question "How do I get the maximum amount of pain onto a single CD-ROM?"

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Q: Should "trivially easy to find" be a benchmark for moderating the site?

It's subjective, isn't it? What's easy to find for one might not be for another. Who gets to decide what's easy to find? The twenty-something with vast experience using the internet and frequent visitor to any number of scifi encyclopedia-like sites out there? The 50-year-old who only uses the in...

discussion moderation general-reference

Iain

@MichaelHampton does it still exist - Jeff says it's experimental

Chris S

20:28

@MichaelHampton What is Overburn? I'll take Ticklish Tentacles for $200 please.

Michael Hampton

@Iain I see it live on scifi.SE right now.

Chopper3

@MichaelHampton sad face, was involved in that...

Ward

@Iain General Reference is frequently debated on SciFi... The goofy thing on SciFi is that the book or movie itself is not considered to be a "reference"

Michael Hampton

Well crap. I thought I was going to have to spend the rest of the afternoon working on Shoutcast. That took less than an hour.

What does the '-l' do in 'ls -l'?

84104

@MichaelHampton Please tell me that's not a real question.

Michael Hampton

20:34

Yeah, I don't think it's a good fit for scifi.SE, though other SE sites could benefit from it.

@84104 Yes, somebody really asked how Voyager replaced its photon torpedoes.

84104

@MichaelHampton No the one I was pointing at. Now looking at image.

Michael Hampton

@84104 Yes, What does the '-l' do in 'ls -l'? is a real question...from a manager.

84104

@MichaelHampton That's a weird thing for them to ask. It's usually they already know or they don't know what ls is.

Michael Hampton

@84104 Managers come in all shapes and sizes of incompetence.

David

Pretty cool video: youtube.com/watch?v=B-vZtBzoEs0&feature=player_embedded

iPhone 5 VS iPhone 4S VS iPhone 4 VS iPhone 3Gs VS iPhone 3G VS iPhone 2G Comparison Test

Michael Hampton

20:48

Damn, out of close votes.

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Q: Is there a Linux distro specific for running as a host OS for Virtualization?

as I understand running VMware or other virtualizations requires a "host os". Normally this is one of your main os-es, that you really use. What I would like is a mini-linux and virtualization software pre-wrapped into a specialized bootalble, installable mini-os. So the linux would not have a ...

linux virtualization os host

HopelessN00b

Oh, gawd, I gotta pay closer attention to the questions I'm late-answer reviewing. That was awful.

MikeyB

@ChrisS Show us the Front Panel Components and then I'll answer.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b It was OK at the time it was posted, but not now. It needs close votes.

Iain

@KyleBrandt the SF sponsored LOPSA memberships from last year are expiring - I guess your not sponsoring them again this year ?

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Gave it all the close vote I could.

MikeyB

20:56

@MichaelHampton bzip2 and a really good codec for those BDSM videos.

Kyle Brandt

@Iain: Hadn't thought about it really, if you post a meta question I will forward it on to our marketing people, see what they say

HopelessN00b

Hmm. Please to be fixing my Windows. It is broke. Thanks! Someguy

Michael Hampton

@MikeyB Good videos can't really be compressed much further, with bzip2 or anything else. And my BDSM video collection vastly outstrips the capacity of a DVD.

MikeyB

@MichaelHampton I know, that was bait. I'm a master baiter.

pauska

@KyleBrandt what am I supposed to do when the "late review" page sends me to an answer to a question that's been recently locked? I can't upvote/downvote/edit etc, so I can't click "I'm done"

Iain

20:59

@KyleBrandt hmm - perhaps someone to whom it's useful should do that

Michael Hampton

@pauska There's a couple questions on meta.SO about that

Kyle Brandt

@pauska Haven't really used that, maybe ask on meta.so

Michael Hampton

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A: New beta Review displays locked posts

Locked posts are excluded from the Low Quality Posts queue now. Thanks for the report.

Kyle Brandt

Heading out, will catch you all later

Sorry for being totally unhelpful :-P

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pauska

thanks

Iain

21:06

If you're out of flags/close votes etc you can always contact @markhenderson to get signed up for trello.com/board/server-fault-bad-tags/505a4e73218dfe9912d2d4b4 and shuffle some tags about

Michael Hampton

21:35

I went to answer a question on superuser, and then I realized I would have to explain how to add an entry to the PATH, so I gave up.

Iain

I just found a theraputic ting to do - delete these serverfault.com/search?q=migrated%3A1

and here's @MarkHenderson for those of you that want to sign up for the tags review trello board

G'night

Mark Henderson

Morning all

MikeyB

@MarkHenderson 'Night!

Joel E Salas

21:58

Is anyone using Icinga by any chance?

David

I'm outta here! Later gentleme

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voretaq7

22:32

@ChrisS Is it possible there's internal fan modules wit IDs (3) and (4)? (he says, hoping that all hardware engineers aren't idiots...)

Michael Hampton

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Q: Coldfusion 10 and IIS 7.5 Not Accepting DELETE verb

I'm running 64-bit CF10 on IIS 7.5, Server 2008 R2 No luck getting a DELETE verb to go through on a RESTful service, failed request log shows: CALL_ISAPI_EXTENSION DllName="C:\ColdFusion10\config\wsconfig\1\isapi_redirect.dll" 22:25:26.774 189. r MODULE_SET_RESPONSE_ERROR_STATUS Warning Mo...

iis7.5 coldfusion httpverbs

I don't know ColdFusion. Is this a programming question?

Zoredache

@MichaelHampton I know, it is a webmasters question... :p

Michael Hampton

Hahaha

Zoredache

But it does seem like it might be an issue with the IIS and not his code. Though I thought you needed a java-based web server for CF these days.

Michael Hampton

22:50

WokFi

WokFi (a portmanteau derived from blending the words Wok + Wi-Fi) is a slang term for a style of homemade Wi-Fi antenna consisting of a crude parabolic antenna made with a low-cost Asian kitchen wok or similar household metallic dish. The dish forms a directional antenna which is pointed at the wireless access point antenna, allowing reception of the wireless signal at greater distances than standard omnidirectional Wi-Fi antennas. Description WokFi antennas are fabricated out of commonly available concave metal kitchen dishes or dish covers (which need not be perfectly parabolic); Asia...

I am SO building one of those.

Adrian

23:00

@MichaelHampton Nice. We dinked around with a cantenna about 10 years ago. Ended up buying a $350 pair of commercial dishes to go a block between buildings with a clear LoS.

Typical Devs this afternoon. They wait nearly a week to complain about bad NFS performance on the VM of their Dev box.

I'm like, "Why the Fsck did you wait a week to tell me that Apache runs like crap?"

Michael Hampton

@Adrian It probably took them that long to figure out there was a problem. They are devs, after all.

Adrian

No, they knew. They were instructed by their PM to wait it out and see if it's really a problem. Like, duh, shit doesn't just fix itself.

Adrian

23:17

OTOH, I know have a confirmation that the problem we're seeing with 1 other unrelated VM on a different server is because of shit NFS tuning.

pauska

install adobe reader: no reboot required
patch adobe reader: reboot required

Adrian

@pauska 's what you get for using Windows.

pauska

@Adrian Are you 15 years old and wear a Linux t-shirt? :)

Adrian

@pauska Nope. You get a whole different set of fscking headaches with Linux. But, you DO in fact get THAT particular headache from using Windows.

At no point did I say that Linux was better or didn't suck as much or worse.

Similarly, I doubt I'd have to spend hours dinking around with NFS mount tweaks on a Windows box to get 10MB/s out of these 1Ge links.

Michael Hampton

@Adrian NFS stands for Nightmare File System.

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