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Basil

13:00

Scott Pack

@ChrisS Looks like 'Alt'

Chris S

I've been swaddled by business-grade PC hardware my whole life.. I'm not used to this farking Mac BS.

Scott Pack

@ChrisS The Windows key will be your command.

In related news, 3 of us spent months thinking that the bluetooth driver for Windows was borked because the gina wasn't accepting the CTRL+ALT+Del to bring up the login screen.

As it happens, the Mac bluetooth keyboard we were using was actually sending Backspace from the Delete key. So the key combo was actually Fn+CTRL+Alt+Del.

Chris S

Why the F doesn't this thing try PXE booting when it can't boot the HD or CD?

It's dumb stuff like this that makes me hate Apple when they make an otherwise acceptable product.

Scott Pack

The automagic boot sequence probably looks for DeployStudio or whatever Apple's deployment suite is.

Which is, you know, based on PXE.

Chris S

13:08

Hrm... I wonder if it'll boot a USB HD.

@ScottPack Embrace, Extend, Extinguish?

Tom O'Connor

I object to the cotes to vlose this question. serverfault.com/q/431355/16732

it's perfectly on topic.

whereas my spelling, isn't.

Lucas Kauffman

why does HP call etherchannel Trunks?

Scott Pack

@ChrisS Good luck with that. Back in the Firewire days USB hard drives were not considered bootable.

@LucasKauffman 802.1q ?

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack aye

changing some cisco with procurve

Chris S

@ScottPack Yep... Official hate for Apple just went up two ticks./

Scott Pack

13:12

Oh cute. I just learned that logwatch is not considered Base in RHEL6.

Well that explains why I not getting emails from those hosts.

Michael Hampton

you haven't voted on questions in a while; questions need votes too!

Michael Hampton

14:03

Oh dear gawd.

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Q: Network Set-Up?

I would like advice on how to configure my LAN with the following hardware: 1 x ADSL Modem (this provides Internet access, DHCP is turned off) 1 x Ubuntu Server (Running Squid, Firewall, and some Apache websites) 1 x Windows Server 2008 (Running WSUS, Application website via Apache, and Anti Vi...

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: That did look like a rather odd setup for home stuff

Michael Hampton

Yeah, that struck me as a small office network. One that will probably get 0wn3d as soon as he plugs everything in.

Journeyman Geek

lol

looks like it'll get naqed

Chris S

I just have my cable modem plugged directly into my 24 port switch. =]

"Ease of management has priority over security" <-- Must be middle management...

Journeyman Geek

lol

or he just wants to get the darned thing running

Chopper3

14:12

Back from my pre-op tests, which went well

Chris S

That's fine, keep it unplugged from the net until he's got it running (should be standard procedure, should); then get it secured; then connect

@Chopper3 When's op?

Michael Hampton

You should think about security now, before you go anywhere near the Ethernet cables. Ten minutes isn't enough time to think about security later. — Michael Hampton 10 secs ago

Chopper3

@ChrisS Friday 2pm BST

Chris S

@Chopper3 Oy, waiting is the worst...

Chopper3

@ChrisS Technically dying during surgery edges that out but I know what you mean

Chris S

14:14

@Chopper3 I'm getting the feeling that Mac Mini's don't do PXE... Any insights?

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Google sez put gPXE on a boot CD

Chopper3

@ChrisS literally...fuck knows? have a look on everymac.com

Scott Pack

@Chopper3 Do they have a pretty good notion of what needs removal or do you expect additional surgeries?

jscott

@MichaelHampton Do the new mac minis have optical drives?

Michael Hampton

@jscott I have no idea. The last time I saw a Mac mini, it did. But that was a couple years ago.

Chopper3

14:16

@ScottPack right knocker and bit of armpit for sure, I could afford to lose a bit of dick girth but we'll see

@jscott no, no opticals, usb only

Chris S

@MichaelHampton Might as well just burn the OS to DVD.... Which I'm downloading now

Anyone have thoughts on how this could be reworded to be Not a Shopping Question? serverfault.com/questions/430190

Michael Hampton

Not really. He really needs to pick a starting point first, i.e. build his solution on top of some existing package. Which means he needs to go shopping...

pauska

nope, asking for products to accomplish what he's after

Chris S

yeah, that was my conclusion too

Scott Pack

@Chopper3 They tend to get hedgy about that kind of stuff sure. As I recall our opinions on the supernatural are pretty similar. Here's hoping everything goes well.

Chris S

14:24

@Chopper3 Happy Wife => Happy Life

Chopper3

@ScottPack Thanks, they can cut off everything but my head and I'll be happy

@ChrisS And she very much is :)

Lucas Kauffman

@KennyRasschaert nice haircut :p

Aaron Copley

@MichaelHampton SU mods think it's ok to surf the webz as Admin on OS X 'cause it's Unix. :(

Michael Hampton

Ummmmmmm... no.

Aaron Copley

Well, OS X being Unix this is not as much of an issue as back in the Windows days, since elevating privileges requires you to type a password. But of course, if all you do is browse the internet, a guest account or restricted user would do too. — slhck 21 mins ago

Chopper3

14:33

@tombull89 re: YV, yes, that, plus VoD 'stores' from a rang of suppliers and also 'we' (as in not necessarily everyone as we own the network) will be offering multi/any-cast-based live streaming at HD rates too

Aaron Copley

I wasn't trying to be rude but I wanted to make it clear that it's never ok on any OS.

Lucas Kauffman

@AaronCopley that guy is dangerously wrong

Chris S

Meh; if people want to bork their home computer by running everything under an admin account (OS with "elevation" support or not), that's their business.

Lucas Kauffman

wait he is right

Aaron Copley

How so?

MikeyB

14:39

Argh… so one of the VMs on this POS GSX server is running its clock around 33% fast. Recommendations for a decent NTP client for Win2K3? anyone? Or just a flamethrower?

Chris S

NTP for Every Windows version (more or less): meinberg.de/english/sw/ntp.htm

Lucas Kauffman

@AaronCopley he never says anywhere that you have to run apps with elevated privileges

pauska

2003 doesn't have a built-in NTP client??

Aaron Copley

@LucasKauffman I said not to browse as Admin, he said it's not an issue under Mac OS X (Unix.)

Chris S

@pauska Yeah.. w32tm supports 1 SNTP server...

It's still w32tm....

MikeyB

14:42

@pauska I'm reading that it's not a full NTP client… it only syncs around one a week? Besides, I've set it up and it's not enough. I'm gaining around .3s/s

seconds per second is an interesting unit.

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pauska

@MikeyB and the hardware clock on the GSX is OK?

Chris S

When w32tm is enough, it's convenient and automagically configured for domain environments... But it's a crappy little excuse for an NTP client. The Meinberg NTP is a Windows binary of the reference ISC NTP server.

Lucas Kauffman

@AaronCopley I think he's right but he doesn't express it correctly

Aaron Copley

I even cited my source. Applications run with the privilege of the logged in user.

Michael Hampton

@MikeyB Known and very annoying issue with VMware. Are you running VMware Tools in the guest?

Lucas Kauffman

14:46

it's a bit like saying you can run an application as aaron. Aaron has sudo, but running a program as Aaron doesn't mean the program can immediately use sudo to get elevated privileges

Aaron Copley

If you run Firefox as an Admin, Firefox and all the buggy add-ons you run have Admin rights to your filesystem.

This isn't considering sudo...

MikeyB

@MichaelHampton Yeah, the guest time sync didn't work either.

Aaron Copley

Sudo is elevation.

MikeyB

@pauska Oh yah.

Lucas Kauffman

yes, but that's the same in OSX

that's what he means

Michael Hampton

14:47

@MikeyB Yeah, in that case NTP is the best workaround...and it'll be hard pressed to keep up with that.

Lucas Kauffman

you might have a user that can have elevated privileges

Aaron Copley

Not the case... If I create an Administrator account in OS X, it doesn't prompt me for any thing? I don't need to authenticate, I already have the necessary privileges to do what I need to do.

Lucas Kauffman

@AaronCopley that's why he says it's different from Windows, in windows this means you can do whatever you want. On unix this means you can do whatever you want, but give ur password first please.

MikeyB

@MichaelHampton Really, the solution is probably to move of freaking GSX 1.0 (this is the same 5yr old server I was working on on Friday after hours).

Michael Hampton

@MikeyB Yeah, that would probably help too.

Aaron Copley

14:50

Unless that behavior has changed since I adopted Least Privilege at home 2-3 years ago. Yea, despite my profession I was stubborn for home use. :)

MikeyB

Gorram it! Can't run a Scheduled Task more often than once per day???

ewwhite

So the new job...

my home and colo subnets overlap with the job's... Can't VPN.

Michael Hampton

I </3 NAT.

pauska

gah.. anyone else having problems with last night's IE security update? Some of our terminal servers are acting very funny :|

MikeyB

@ewwhite What? You both have the same IPv6 subnet?

Steven Murawski

14:53

@MikeyB There are further options in the scheduled task after you get past the once per day..

Aaron Copley

@ewwhite Well, at least it's easy to fix one of them.

Michael Hampton

@pauska Haven't installed it yet. Thanks for being our guinea pig.

ewwhite

@AaronCopley Nope... I can't resolve my side of it

Aaron Copley

No?

ewwhite

@AaronCopley I have a lot of stuff, too.

Michael Hampton

14:54

@ewwhite I usually use something within 172.16.0.0/12 at home, since almost nobody else uses it.

Lucas Kauffman

I never use a /12 o.O

pauska

@MichaelHampton wrong.. lots of routing networks (especially IP VPN's) use them

Lucas Kauffman

at most I use a /24

ewwhite

@pauska exactly

MikeyB

@StevenMurawski Yeah… "when idle".

pauska

14:55

I have 172.25.25.0/24 at home.. haven't found any crash yet

Michael Hampton

@pauska You can't win regardless of what you do. :)

Lucas Kauffman

how many devices do you have at home?

pauska

@ewwhite can't you get them to set up a RD gateway? and then just RDP into work

Steven Murawski

@MikeyB What OS version are you on?

MikeyB

@StevenMurawski 2003 :(

ewwhite

14:56

@LucasKauffman it's the fact that my Chicago colo infrastructure also overlaps.

HopelessN00b

Hey, @MichaelHampton , how do you do your IPv6? You lucky enough to have it provided by your ISP?

ewwhite

so I get cut off from my main systems... mail, monitoring, VMWare, etc.

MikeyB

@StevenMurawski Oh there we go... "Daily" -> "Advanced" -> Repeat every 1 minute for 23h59m

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b I am using a sixxs tunnel at home while I wait for Comcrap to deploy in my area.

Steven Murawski

@MikeyB Yeah.. I was just pulling up a 2003 box to find the location

HopelessN00b

14:58

@MichaelHampton Ah, so same boat as me. From where did you acquire your IPv6 addresses? Kind of in the situation of needing it, since all my VPNing is breaking with IPv4.

Steven Murawski

@MikeyB the schtasks.exe gives you finer grained control

@MikeyB - microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/…

Chris S

@MichaelHampton Same here, my house uses 172.16.0.0/26, and 172.16.0.64/26. Parents are 2.0/26 and 2.64/26, In-Laws are 6.0/26, 6.64/26, and 6.128/26 (Their ancient TiVo only support WEP, so it's got its own subnet with a bunch of filtering and such).

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b sixxs. They'll give you up to a /48

MikeyB

@StevenMurawski Right! Been a while, thanks.

Steven Murawski

@MikeyB No problem

ewwhite

15:00

Hiss!!

MikeyB

@MichaelHampton he.net - they'll give you multiple /48s, free dns, etc. And work with most OSes (they'll show you the tunnel config you need to run - pretty nifty).

ewwhite

So I can't really change my home setup.

HopelessN00b

Awesome. I'll go get myself one right now, given that I'm literally billing $100 an hour to babysit a fucking door at the moment. *<grumble>*

Ah, the IT life.

Michael Hampton

@MikeyB Yeah, I know about tunnelbroker. I'd use them myself in the right situation.

Chris S

I should have known Mac's EFI wouldn't support BIOS compatibility for booting CDs/DVDs.... One more tick on the Apple hate scale.

ewwhite

15:02

@ChrisS Why?

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Oh, free. Even better.

Chris S

@ewwhite Apple doesn't support any backward compatibility....

Dan

Afternoonall

Chris S

@Dan It's still morning!

Dan

@ChrisS Not here it isn't! I spent my morning on the slope D:

Chris S

15:05

The slope? Skiing?

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b I've run into all these issues before. They're one big reason I push IPv6 so hard.

Dan

@ChrisS Pfft, no! Snowboarding

Chris S

@Dan Sound like fun... Where do you have to go for that?

Dan

@ChrisS Nowhere that interesting, sadly. Just a local indoor slope - real snow, though, not the lethal grid things

Chris S

Ah; though maybe you hopped across the channel and into the alps or something.

Dan

15:08

No, I wish. It'll be a couple of years before we get a snow holiday, they're pretty expensive for what they are

HopelessN00b

Sweet, now waiting on manual approval. That was easy. Too bad it won't configure itself though.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b Actually... install aiccu, and it will :)

HopelessN00b

Well, you're a veritable geyser of IPv6 goodness, ain'tcha?

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b How could I convince people to try IPv6 if I didn't know anything about it?

HopelessN00b

I dunno, but it can be done - like how politicians convince people of anything, which of course, is a topic politicians actually know nothing about.

Chopper3

15:13

Every time I see the acronym 'WAMP' on SF my mind just shouts "WHY!!!!?!?!" - am I alone?

Michael Hampton

@Chopper3 Everytime I see "WAMP" or "XAMPP" I hit "Off Topic".

I'd let it go if the OP said their boss made them do it.

Dan

@Chopper3 Not at all - fine for a bit of development and testing, shouldn't ever be in production

Chopper3

at least OSX already has Apache in it out of the box, to me WAMP is like what those idiot teens to do their cars, they take something that if left alone is perfectly fine for most people and then just bastardise it seeming just to make themselves look ridiculous

Aaron Copley

@ChrisS Backward compatibility is bad for revenue. :)

Chris S

@Chopper3 My mind shouts out "Noob!"...

@AaronCopley Yeah, especially when you garner so much hate from people like me...

Chopper3

15:15

@Dan But there's nothing wrong with IIS if you're happy with its limitations and patching requirements - if you're going to go the whole AMP bit why not the L

Aaron Copley

@ChrisS As long as you are the minority, and the rest of the populous keeps buying.. Their shareholders will be happy.

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 cause linux has that weird black thing with characters on them, you need to be a 1337 haxor to understand that thing and it's free so it must be bad

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman I'd rather deal with plain vanilla linux that the AMP bits to be honest

HopelessN00b

Well, WAMP does have a few uses, actually, (and I've even deployed a WAMP stack or two into production... over my objections) but generally yeah, it's trying to use a screwdriver to pound in a nail. Just not the right tool for the job. Use LAMP, or use WIPS (?). You know, the tools integrated into the OS you're choosing for the job.

Chris S

@AaronCopley I'm one of their shareholders, indirectly... I only hate their products, not their business model.

Chopper3

15:17

@HopelessN00b ex.actly.

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 I know me too, it's just that people often are brainwashed by MS so they have a nice gui for everything

Aaron Copley

@ChrisS Fair enough. There's a good number of folks that hate Apple just to hate Apple, though. (At least it seems.) I've got to respect their success despite all else.

HopelessN00b

@LucasKauffman No, it's more that the majority of people aren't smart or technical enough to figure out a CLI. That's where AMP's useful - all the power of a database, but simple enough for simple people to use.

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman I'm all for a 100% MS solution, my last platform was literally 100% MS, with them supporting it, worked great - hit some major limitations with scale but it was fast/secure/stable etc. It's the frankenstein'ness of WAMP that annoys me, just go the whole hog and have a LAMP server that's properly supported

@AaronCopley I love them, every day the shares go up I love them a little more :)

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 I never said MS was bad to use, but people, especially newbies are affraid to use a shell

Chopper3

15:20

New Muse album sucks so far by the way

Lucas Kauffman

lol :p

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman 90% of non-hardcore-IT-people can get what they want done with Windows Server without going near a CLI

HopelessN00b

@LucasKauffman Depends on the shell. Eggshell white is very popular, even among people who are intimidated by a keyboard.

Chris S

Ok, next stupid question... How to get the DVD out of a Mac Mini?

Mike

Keyboard eject button?

HopelessN00b

15:22

@ChrisS I'd use pliers and a hammer, personally.

Chris S

No Mac keyboard.

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Do you have OS X running?

Dan

@Chopper3 Exactly, either use IIS on Windows or use a LAMP stack. I don't see why you'd mix the too

Chopper3

@ChrisS right click on the disk in finder

Chris S

@MichaelHampton @chopper3 Blank hard drive

Lucas Kauffman

15:23

@Chopper3 I know, but that's on Windows, on Linux you don't always have that option and that's why WAMP exists

Chopper3

disk utility

ah

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Hm. Try: Power it off. Hold down Win-Alt-O-F and power it on. If it works, type in eject-cd. You may need three hands for this maneuver.

Mike

Hold down F12?

Chopper3

you're fucked, it's stuck there forever, just live with it

Lucas Kauffman

does Cisco build SANs?

Dan

15:29

@LucasKauffman I know they do a hell of a lot with SAN fabrics and the like, but I don't think they actually sell something you can plug hard disks into

Chris S

@Mike F12 worked

@MichaelHampton Win+Alt+O+F did nothing. =[ Tried Ctrl instead of Win too, same.

Dan

@HopelessN00b Against a Mac, I'm more in favour of tactical nuclear weapons

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Bloody Macs.

Chris S

It's getting shipped off to the in-laws once it's working =]

Which is sometime past never as the rate I'm going...

Lucas Kauffman

@Dan more like fibre switches?

Dan

15:34

@LucasKauffman They do loads on the networking side, for SAN infrastructure yeah

But I've just looked on their website and I can't find any mention of actual controllers and things

Lucas Kauffman

think I'll need to phone the client what they actually are doing with cisco then

Dan

@LucasKauffman Don't quote me on it as Cisco do loads of stuff, but they're definitely focussed on the networking side. If they do the whole shebang, it's not obvious to me

Chris S

Alright! Got to Windows Setup. I'm back in familiar/friendly territory.

Lucas Kauffman

I found a security guide for them released for cisco devices by EMC, probably they just do networking and EMC does the storing

lol apparently I forgot my shoes at my senior manager's house xD

just to put in context: we had a LAN party over at his place and I was wearing a suit

HopelessN00b

@LucasKauffman This is exactly why I never let a superior suck on my toes in a sexual manner. :p

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Lucas Kauffman

15:38

fu :p

Dan

@HopelessN00b Yeah, I heard you were the only one doing the sucking. BOOM!

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Lucas Kauffman

we had a team meeting at his place with all consultants, managers and the director and after the BBQ had a nice lan party. Was really nice, good team building activity actually

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman Yes, in fact Cisco MDS design/setup/management is one of my strongest skills

@Dan here's the site root for their san stuff

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 hurray, I shall be nagging you all week then

ewwhite

So this overlapping VPN issue with my new job... is there a nice fix?

Chopper3

15:46

@LucasKauffman Pick your moments, kinda/sorta busy from friday

@ewwhite walk away?

ewwhite

Good idea!

Lucas Kauffman

@ewwhite call IT support and tell them they should create a separate network for you :p?

ewwhite

I'm telecommuting, so this actually is a big deal.

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman what's the scenario/question etc?

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 need to write a security baseline

Chopper3

15:47

@LucasKauffman for FC stuff?

Lucas Kauffman

yea

well everything even the tiniest device gets his own standard and baseline

ewwhite

Oh, and has anyone here done the vSphere 5.0-5.1 upgrade?

@chopper3 I want to compare notes.

Dan

@Chopper3 No link! I take it all back

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman easy - one client/platform per vsan, one-to-one zones, standard cisco AAA for user security, that's one part that's identical to their switches

Lucas Kauffman

cool :D

Chopper3

15:50

@ewwhite we never do upgrades as such with 5, just redo auto-deploy and host profile apply stuff

ewwhite

@Chopper3 Post-install, I'm noticing that DRS is more aggressive.

and I have yet to do anything with the web interface...

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 basically if I see this correctly it's the switches that can actually offer the service to the clients, while the backend with the disks remains a bit dumb?

ewwhite

am i missing anything by still using the vSphere client?

Lucas Kauffman

as far as a SAN can be dumb

ewwhite

(not motivated enough to parse through the release notes)

Chopper3

15:52

@ewwhite had a question about that exact thing last week, they've moved everything along one notch for some reason, so just pull it back a single number and you'll be where you were

@ewwhite not at all, unless you use lots of the bolt-ons anyway (cloud director etc.)

ewwhite

@Chopper3 So I don't... I only have 4-5 hosts.. my job does, though.

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman erm... that entirely depends on how things are setup and how you want things, it's not that simple sorry

@ewwhite stick with the VSClient, maybe have the web one in a window next to it, eventually you'll migrate for most things

ewwhite

I don't even know how to get to the web client

Chopper3

browse to the VC iirc

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 aaw :( well client is going to provide me a lot more detail on their setup so it will probably become more clear for me

ewwhite

15:55

Oh yeah, in the transition, I had to trash my VC...

database upgrade issues

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman ok, understood - we could have a chat around FC setup if you like sometime?

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 gladly, whenever you have time

Chopper3

@ewwhite we had that on one of ours but had ran a backup just before, restored and retried and it was fine

ewwhite

In order for this direct link to work, you must first log in to the vSphere Web Client at least once from https://{webclient-host}:{webclient-https-port}.

I don't remember what "webclient-http-port" is.

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman that's the problem at the moment, we'll see, let me know once you've got the full design and have read it enough to have specific questions ok?

ewwhite

15:56

that was 20 installation windows ago

Lucas Kauffman

@ewwhite if you have a spare router lying around, you can do NAT -> NAT -> WAN, but that's really dirty

@Chopper3 will do, thanks!

ewwhite

@LucasKauffman nothing here but a Cisco ASA... and I need to do Cisco client VPN to the office.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite 8333, I think?

Lucas Kauffman

@ewwhite that sucks :(

@Chopper3 are you on linkedin btw?

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton Bsssst!

No... that was for last week's version of VMWare

VMWare's product names are just as bad as Comcast's...

HopelessN00b

16:01

no IPv6 6, eh?

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman yep - you know my name right?

ewwhite

@Chopper3 Link us in.

Yeah, your name is Chopper, right?

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 I have it on origin, but I can't access that now :(

I think it's m****l as first name

but I don't know the last one anymore :(

Chopper3

haha - I'll accept yours but I'm a bit fucked right now to be honest, certainly too tired to deal with their interface. phil at buckley hyphen mellor dot com ok

Lucas Kauffman

right xD

Dan

16:03

I should really start doing something with LinkedIn

I have a profile, with fuck all on it

Chopper3

That Muse album is dreadful, and I normally love them, it's an abortion of an album, just finished, utter pish

I have one but it's never benefitted me one bit

HopelessN00b

@Dan Why? Social networks for teh suck.

Dan

@HopelessN00b Well, there is that, but I've heard of people having success with LinkedIn

Not that I'm looking to move, but always nice to have options

Chopper3

it's just there to make scoffing posh-boy sales twunts who'd rather do that kind of thing on the golf-course or at a rugby game feel like they're in the 21st century

MikeyB

@Chopper3 I got an unsolicited interview offer from Google. They liked my SF profile and found me on LinkedIn. That's about it, but I don't do a lot there.

ewwhite

16:05

LinkedIn is a necessary evil

Chopper3

I've often fancied setting up an 'Unsocial Network' people only join to be horrible to others and get it back - just a 'hate' button, I'd be king of it of course

@MikeyB I've had offers via SF, often so fucking low that I will happily insult them by offering to talk to them for 30 minutes for free

ewwhite

@Chopper3 Man, this is where I get all my jobs...

seemingly..

the past two...

Lucas Kauffman

@ewwhite whats ur linkedin?

Chopper3

I'd like to make it so that if someone googled by name it would just say "On the surface Phil is a nasty piece of work but worth every penny, but like an onion as you peel back the surface you find layer after layer of exactly the same shit, then you realise you're crying". Another day maybe.

Lucas Kauffman

you know how many p*** b*** are on linkedin :o?

Chopper3

16:09

?

Lucas Kauffman

53 people with ur name :p

unless you add the part after the hyphen

Chopper3

----redacted----

got that gents?

voretaq7

there should be multiple buttons.
Hate, Despise, Loathe, Abhor, Revile, Detest

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 I found the right one already, cause there was only one from the UK working for BT

Chopper3

yep

ewwhite

16:11

@MichaelHampton port 7444 and 9443....

Iain

@MikeyB I've had an email from google too because of my SF profile

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman once nearly joined E&Y

HopelessN00b

Hey, @ewwhite , is it possible to setup ILO from within the OS (Windows)? Some ass didn't get it set up on all our remote servers, sigh.

voretaq7

@Chopper3 Nope. I don't have a LinkedIn so I can't see things. :'(

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b Yes... you'll want the hponcfg utility.

Lucas Kauffman

16:12

@Chopper3 what stopped you?

voretaq7

I was once sad because I don't have a LinkedIn account.
Then I was overjoyed because I don't have a LinkedIn account.

Chopper3

@voretaq7 Grindr though right?

@LucasKauffman I'd imagine money knowing me

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Oh, sweet merciful something or other. Thank you!

voretaq7

@Chopper3 tried it once. Seems like as much of a self-congratulatory circle-jerk as linkedin honestly :-P

Michael Hampton

I deleted my linkedin account years ago.

Chopper3

16:13

@HopelessN00b I used to be able to write all manner of hponfig scripts, not for a while but I will have some old ones lying around, very useful for consistent blade setup

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b Wait.. Windows? THe tool is CPQLOCFG...

Michael Hampton

I should probably get back on there. Might get the occasional bit of business.

Chopper3

@MichaelHampton You've gone up in my estimation considerably ;)

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b Go here to find that shit...

Michael Hampton

I have NOT deleted my careers.SO account...

Lucas Kauffman

16:15

@Chopper3 I hear that a lot, it's a good starting job tho (wages and extra legal stuff)

Michael Hampton

How the hell do you find ANYTHING on HP's web site?

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman this was years ago, 1999?

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton I have a secret link that gives me erry'thing I need.

Lucas Kauffman

@MichaelHampton you are the second person I hear telling me that

Iain

@MichaelHampton special hp-fu

ewwhite

16:16

@MichaelHampton Bookmark this.

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 then I was only 9 years myself :p

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Ooooo, nice.

Chopper3

@MichaelHampton I have dedicated HP guys who just handle that kind of HP-specific crap for me and my projects - they place HW calls, get drivers, update me on changes, maintain FW levels etc.

@LucasKauffman 43 :(

Lucas Kauffman

:(

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton I've had that link for 7-8 years.

Lucas Kauffman

16:17

got to go, dinner/PMDP meeting

cya later guys

Chopper3

Reckon I might just sneak 65,536 before I disappear on Friday, been after that one for ages now

bye

@ewwhite no blades?

ewwhite

@Chopper3 For the blades, I have another link...

sorry... it's usually all standalone servers for me

voretaq7

@Chopper3 you can't - it overflows back to 0 after 65535 :P

Iain

wamp on windows 7 can't be an sf thing can it serverfault.com/questions/431296/… ?

ewwhite

[HP Blade link is crappy... ](h20566.www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/template.PAGE/public/psi/…)

Chopper3

16:21

@voretaq7 awwww...imagine. I had 1024, 2048, 4092, 8192 and 16384 but no idea if I got 512 or below tbh

@Iain there are some cheap-asses

ewwhite

@Chopper3 My vSphere web client is empty

voretaq7

@Iain if it can the answer can be "No." :-)

Chopper3

@ewwhite oh... flagging a bit right now tbh, we can have a chat about it later ok

Ward

@Iain Yay, more useful migrations from SO!

voretaq7

How do you make a plus sign in Meme Generator? P

Michael Hampton

16:23

@Iain Nope, that guy's setting up WordPress at home

Ward

At least the question got them talking about it...

Iain

@Ward but only in the same ole same aol way - it's not a problem for SO so it's not a problem

voretaq7

@Iain @Ward Be fair - when we first got migration stats we rejected like 18% of their migrations. That's gone down to 13% now.

(they're still the leader by volume though)

Ward

Can you search for migrated questions easily? Maybe we should go on a closing binge to make the point...

Iain

@voretaq7 says 16% right now and that's still too low

ewwhite

16:26

Isn't this cute?

Ward

I suspect that many crappy SO questions go unclosed because there aren't enough people voting to close.

Iain

@Ward you need 10 k to get to see the migration pages

Dan

@ewwhite I love that spirit level. I never get to do much with DRS as most of my sites are educational so stick to Essentials Plus

Iain

@Ward I agree. Right now I'm working on a script that will scrape the inbound migration pages and give me a list of URLs which I can then post in a chat room

I'm thinking of creating a chat room just for inbound migrations a sort of unofficial review queue

Ward

@Iain Or maybe if @Zypher and/or @RebeccaChernoff would get data.SE updated...

Iain

16:30

@Ward it's never going to be live so it doesn't matter

MikeyB

Came in Sat, hooked up dual-LCDs for 3 users. One is now bitching about it. "I didn't ask for dual monitors", & has turned off the 2nd one

Tweeted by mikerigsby on September 24, 2012 at 4:18 PM

That poor bastard.

Ward

I just like periodically hassling them about it 'cause I want to run a query on more recent data to confirm that I've voted more than anyone else on SE.

voretaq7

@Iain went up again since friday... and I'm sure it's statistically accurate based on rejected migrations :)

Iain

@voretaq7 I think it's accurate but it feels like we should be rejecting more

as @ward says there aren't enough people voting to close

Ward

We need more people doing the /Review of close votes, especially since nrxnrx seems to pick "Don't close" a lot.

voretaq7

16:41

@Iain it's also biased by the definition of reject (I don't think dupes count)

Scott Pack

With 1.4k questions in the close queueueueue, and only, what, 32 votes per day..?

Iain

@voretaq7 they don't although everything else does as well as those just deleted rather than closed

Michael Hampton

@ward I go into close votes (almost) every day, but I just don't have enough to make a huge impact on that queue.

Chris S

@MikeyB Mine all want 3, and one of them who has 3 jokingly mentioned he'd like 4

@Ward What's a nrxnrx?

Scott Pack

@MichaelHampton No doubt. It's not hard to blow my wad in about 10 minutes.

Michael Hampton

16:44

And then I can't vote to close all the crap that gets posted during the day. It's a no-win.

MikeyB

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Q: Do CDMA based time servers passively read timing information from the cell network?

GPS based time servers are receive only, that is, they passively read the timing information from the GPS network. Do CDMA based time servers work the same way? In other words, do CDMA based time servers passively listen to CDMA signals without transmitting information to the cell network? We ...

time ntp

Urrghhh… it's a good question, don't want to just close it.

Michael Hampton

@MikeyB Too Localized

MikeyB

@MichaelHampton It's fairly obscure, but it's not localized to that particular user.

Michael Hampton

And he got his answer anyway, so it doesn't much matter.

On a related note, I just found this hidden gem...

Blog - Stack Exchange: Are Some Questions Too Simple?

Jeff Atwood on February 22, 2011

On Podcast #58, Joel and I had a disagreement. Not the first, and certainly won’t be the last:

Joel says that the only bad simple question is a duplicate simple question. I say simple questions are OK as long as they’re actually interesting (in some way) for other users to consider and answer. To prove his point, Joel actually asks the question on Stack Overflow: How do I move the turtle in LOGO? Do you think this question adds value?

We still have this disagreement. Our community is now struggling with the very same issue across multiple network sites: …

Iain

perhaps we mods need to have a poke at that queue to get it down to manageable levels

Dan

16:56

While it's a bit busier, can some of you Linux freaks offer me 10 seconds of your time

Iain

shoot

Dan

Is this: cbtnuggets.com/it-training-videos/series/lpi-linux-lpic-1-101 and 102 worth my time? I don't really intend on doing the exams, it's just for increasing my knowledge and understanding

Michael Hampton

@Dan How much Linux do you know already?

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