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20:06
@HopelessN00b +1
He's asking for something you rarely see (outside of SE itself, that is), true HA+LB on IIS.
@MikeyB :(
@sysadmin1138 ah, thanks, that clarifies things a bit.
@lsiunsuex Sending out the kerning test page.
20:25
y'all just upset because CSS is Satan's ratty underwear and the sysadmins love exposing edge cases :-) — voretaq7 Oct 7 '11 at 16:10
Classic.
Just firing up a VM on my laptop to do some potentially destructive testing - how the heck did we cope before virtualisation
I remember the first time I fired up VMWare Workstation, it was just.....wow!
@Chloe With test dedicated environments and/or blaming the intern/FNG. Same as now, really.
Lots and lots of really old kit.
@HopelessN00b Foreign New Guy?
@Chloe also ... finding crappy hardware that has been decomissioned and hoping it was new enough to run what you needed
20:29
Those 4-7 year old beasts? Great for testing new stuff on.
@Zypher Ah yes, I remember the days when my room was full of, well, all sorts of shit
ohh yea ... i only got rid of my last 386 ~5 years ago
@JoelESalas I suppose foreign would be one interpretation of the F there, but the actual word is a bit more generic.
Though... not so good for testing out 64-bit computing. FOr that you needed, er, new.
@Zypher What the hell need was there for a 386 in 2007. Was it SX or DX? :D
20:32
haha, well mostly to play old dos games at that point for nostalgia purposes
Can't remember what it was unfortunatly it was a hand me down from ... somewhere
speaking of games ... BF3: Amoured Kill ... twitch need to play
@Zypher I'm away from home til Friday! But the good news is I have the house to myself when I get back
Not sure how I can watch porn and play armoured kill at the same time, but damnit, I'll figure it out
dual monitors ... dual monitors
40 more points until I can be a playa like @MichaelHampton
@Chloe I remember firing up Virtual PC on the Mac... and WOW!
@ewwhite what version! i think istarted around VPC3
@ewwhite Haha, insanity!
20:37
@Chloe That does suck - i've been waiting for this for a looooong time - played a TON of Heavy Metal in BC2
My first was, uh... VMware Workstation 3.5 if I remember right. That was... very interesting.
Oh, I was just joking... virtual PC for mac was a dog
oh .. yea only option at that time though ... not much you can do when you have to do full proc emulation
@sysadmin1138 I can't remember, but I must have come in at 4.0 or under looking at the release dates
@Zypher That's why I was all about Bochs...
20:39
@ewwhite Serves them right for using a stupid process architecture
68K or PowerPC?
@Zypher I was really impressed by Close Quarters (Or whatever its real name), so I'm hoping AK will be good too
@ewwhite PowerPC, but I'm only being playful!
yea Close Quarters is ok, Gunmaster is kinda fun ... i'm much more a fan of the huge vehicle maps than the CoD type small run and gun maps
@Zypher Ditto, which is why I was surprised I enjoy it so much.
I believe there's an AC130, too?
ohhhh yea :-D
DEATH FROM ABOVE
20:42
Scary things, wonder how they're going to pull it off
I loved the AC130 missions in CoD and Battlefield single player
yea, they where always too short ... probably won't get too much time in it until there are more servers, everyone is going to be trying to get in that thing at first
So who here has Xen experience?
AC130 missions are always fun. As long as you're not the one being tracked by the AC130. :p
IR + Massive guns == FUN
@ewwhite Used XenServer a reasonable amount, but I think they're so far removed it doesn't really count
20:45
@ewwhite I installed it once and decided I preferred VMWare. Does that count?
@ewwhite Used it extensively... 4-5 years ago.
Any downsides to it now?
As compared to...?
for cloud use..
It's pretty popular for multi-tenant clouds, or so I hear.
20:55
@ewwhite On the xen VPS client side, I can say it's quite nice. Cheap and effective
Our public cloud here is based on it.
@ewwhite If I had to build a new virtualized infrastructure, and could deal with the management headache somehow, I'd go xen and spend my extra pennies on more gear
Woohoo, quittin' time!
@HopelessN00b You actually get to leave at 5pm?
I am today... just gotta slam my laptop shut and make it to the door before someone catches me with some other problem. Wish me luck.
21:09
@HopelessN00b Hint: Hold your phone to your ear on your way out and say things like "What do you mean, she's dead?"
Bonus points for "Just stay where you are, I'm fetching my gun"
@Chloe "I'll be right there, the hardware store closes at 6 and I don't have enough lye at home."
@chloe I actually do that a lot... making gun and/or counter-forensics references while on the phone. "Yeah, that's why you're supposed to put **two** in head. Where'd you learn to be a hitman anyway?!?!"

Still waiting for HR to summon me about that, for how stick-up-ass this particular corporation is...
"And remember to wear gloves when handling the ammunition too. They can pull fingerprints off of shell casings too."
"You're doing it the stupid way. If you drain the blood first, it's a lot easier to cut into managable pieces."
21:28
So angry!
:D
And with that, it's bed time
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Q: Is Golden Ratio's association with perceived beauty a myth?

user13107Many people advocate using the Golden Ratio in design (e.g. logo design). Is the Golden Ratio's purported aesthetic appeal supported by scientific evidence?

@ewwhite SYSADMIN
@voretaq7 Slow down... smile. Enjoy life!
Te"The suppressor gets hot enough to cause 2nd degree burns, so you have to be careful not jam the thing back into your waistband for a few minutes afterwards..."
21:30
I'm just saying that because I'm too new at this job to be useful....
:)
"Yes, I'm sure, police response time is still over 300 seconds in that part of the city..."
@ewwhite You already started! How are the new digs?
You know, the more I think about it, I'm really glad I'm good at what I do. I might have trouble holding a job otherwise...
Started yesterday.
@JoelESalas seems okay
@joel Let's say the job is good enough that I'm not plotting the murder of my coworkers...
@ewwhite Livin' the dream
21:43
16 mins ago, by HopelessN00b
"You're doing it the stupid way. If you drain the blood first, it's a lot easier to cut into managable pieces."
@ewwhite At the end of my "Ocean Menthe" interview, the interviewer asked me if I had any more questions. I said "This might sound odd, but how is the quality of the office furniture? That's really important to me"
He's like "What?" I said, "I find that the office furniture is a strong indication of how the tech team is perceived. So, how is it?" He laughed his head off and said "It's pretty good."
It makes sense. I bring my own chair to jobs. Unfortunately, I'm sitting in a base model Aeron right now...
@ewwhite I wonder if I can talk $NEWCOMPANY into buying me one
@JoelESalas probably not... I think they're $600
I have two... one at home, and another that I drag job to job
:)
@ewwhite I asked about one of these ergonomic keyboards and they're like, "Dude, what? Of course, ask for whatever you want. The VP just expenses those"
21:49
so you have a new job?
The PHP dev might have really been eaten by a bear - no word from him. Cover me! I'm forced to dive into his codes to fix teh bugz.
@WesleyDavid Dude, don't edit PHP files or else unicorns won't let you pet them. You'll be tainted forever
Eww, split keyboards. I hate those. But, actually, I've always brought in my own keyboard/mouse, even when I've been offered to have the company pay for them. Of course, I do have extras, and don't have to worry about someone getting me almost the right model as the requisitions folks often do.
@ewwhite Geezus your chair looks like it's ready to impale you
And how is an Aeron "Unfortunately"? :P Have you forgotten how the rest of us work lol
21:56
Helps the back... I can't be slouching.
The base aeron reclines too much.
@WesleyDavid Fire and motion
@ewwhite Apparently I have a herniated C6 disk. The chair and keyboard are a huge deal to me all of a sudden.
yeah, that's bad news.
@JoelESalas Oh ouch! Take care of that. Ice it, and all that. Are you insured enough to get to a doctor / chiro / physical therapist / something?
@JoelESalas I would just have the disk replaced under warranty. You're not using out-of-warranty equipment in production, are you?
22:02
@WesleyDavid Thankfully I have insurance, I'm seeing a chiropractor weekly for him to work his chiromancy on me
@HopelessN00b There's a few known issues with rev87, but a firmware upgrade is risky at best. Won't ever get the downtime
@HopelessN00b Where do I go for an RMA?
@r.tanner.f I don't know about RMAing a piece of your body, but I have some suggestions on how to RMA the whole thing by, urm... "transitioning to the next life," if you want to hear them.
@HopelessN00b Deus Ex in this bitch
@JoelESalas You know they can just replace it with a solid state unit...
@JoelESalas Amen to that. After the first adopters get all the brain BSODs and spine firmware crashes debugged, I'm getting my self all trans-humanified.
22:08
Ok impromptu survey: spaces or tabs?
@HopelessN00b config files, code, whatever
@JoelESalas Depends. For ease of readability indentations, tabs
Well, tabs work better at the bar, spaces work better in filenames.

Honestly, I use whichever one makes the formatting look purtier. So both?
As a data seperator, fixed width all the way
22:11
Yes. As they say, "abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!"

I think it applies to tabs and spaces as well.
@HopelessN00b I've never heard that but I get the sentiment
@MarkHenderson It's from the Simpsons back when it was funny... ([4F02] Treehouse of Horror VII)
Fuck yeah Australia: One of our most deadly predators (redback spider) gets taken out by wasp assassin
The wasp keeps the spider alive and then its babies eat it
I love this country
@MarkHenderson How's that? Yippie, our wasps kill our spiders!! shudders Personally I prefer an absence of any insects that may poison me.
@HopelessN00b It's not just that it kills them, it's that it keeps it alive long enough to plant its eggs inside the spider and then the wasps young feast on the spider from the inside out when they hatch
How is that not awesome? It's basically exactly like Alien, only real
22:25
Yeah, but being eaten from the inside-out is usually pretty fatal.
@HopelessN00b Well yes it ends up being fatal. But the life of a redback is tainted, everyone wants to kill it
I guess it's not that awesome to me, because there are lots of other wasp species that do this, so it's not news to me.
This is what all these environmentalists should be doing, finding ways for one form of nature to kill other forms of nature that are inconvenient to man.
@HopelessN00b Well fine, be all smug and shit then. I learned something new so I shall revel in this knowledge pretending that I'm smart and shit, rather than admitting that I saw it on Google News
shrug I guess I just thought everyone knew about spiderwasps
"The family is cosmopolitan, with some 5,000 species in 6 subfamilies."
How would everyone know about spiderwasps? Are you saying that a poor etheopian child who has never seen the rain should know about spider wasps?
22:41
Oh, I didn't realize we had a large constituency of with a poor Ethiopian children on this site. Maybe I should have known, being for Sysadmins and all...
@HopelessN00b You said "everyone", not "everyone on this site"
Oh, pfft. everyone doesn't literally mean every single person.
@HopelessN00b I'm fairly sure that it does
Nah, it doesn't. The word "everyone" would be useless if it literally meant every single person, since there's practically nothing for which you can't find an edge case. There are some people who are actually allergic to water, FFS.
@HopelessN00b Never heard of a spiderwasp, but we've got Ground Wasps (aka Digger/Sand Wasps). They're the size of your pinky with wings about as wide as the palm of your hand. Big doesn't quite capture the essence when one's flying at you.
23:01
Well there ya have it. I did know something trivial and largely useless that isn't common knowledge... guess that helps explain my choice of career as well. :o
@HopelessN00b Well a politician would say that 2/3 of the entire world does not know about spider wasps, and just avoid the topic of the sample size
Politician or marketer. 100% of people in the world prefer Windows servers to Linux, based on a sample size of the room I'm in.
@MarkHenderson Looks like an Aussie version of our Black Widows.
@WesleyDavid Yeah, and it seems like a shame to kill such a useful creature, too.

Shoot someone in the head or blow up their car, and the cops won't stop hunting you for years. Dump a bunch of angry Black Widows in their sleeping bag, and you save money on alimony without all the unwanted police scrutiny.
@HopelessN00b I think 500 black widows all found in a bed with no sign of a nest or anything for them to eat might look a little bit suspicious
23:17
Nah, they disperse pretty quickly after taking care of your alimony obligation... or at least, from what I read heard somewhere.
strike
three dashes
---strike---
Thanks, Wes. Doesn't that choke an orphan, though?
Only sends them to bed with no supper.

Multi-line markdown? *That* chokes orphans.
It's cool, orphans have a good choking coming anyway. Using my tax dollars to support their lives, and then not even having the decency to offer my free sex in return when they turn 18. ungrateful bastards.
@HopelessN00b I'm going to copy and paste that into your careers 2.0 profile and do my hardest to ensure that it's the #1 search result for your real name
Fuck I'll install something on your mail server that appends that as a signature to every single message you send
On your wedding day I will make sure that your wedding certificate has it printed in fine print
On your gravestone it will have it as a footnote, or engraved onto your urn or plaque or whatever they'll do by the time we die
MATTHEW
Nah just kidding, but man I thought that I said some inappropriate shit in here :P
23:29
LOL, official word seems to be that Danica Patrick (racing star, Go Daddy girl, and customer) tripped over the core router's power cord.
Might wanna include the last name too... and set up a careers.se profile for me. :)

And what's the fun in being appropriate? I have to do that like 80% of the time at work and it gets real old, real fast.
Well I guess I have my real name stamped against everything I say so sometimes I need to curb my thoughts
@derobert Sure, and I have a bridge to sell you. How long does a router reboot take?
@HopelessN00b like 45 minutes if you didn't save the running config
@HopelessN00b ok, maybe "crashed a racecar into core router" :-P
23:31
(or is it my real name? Maybe I'm like George Eddison whos name isn't really George at all)
@MarkHenderson Yeah, the double edged sword of pseudo-anonymity. On the one hand, I'm "anonymous," so I can ignore that internal filter. On the other hand, I'm not anonymous at all to anyone with a modicum of information gathering abilities, so maybe I should mind what I say. Still not gonna, though. :)
@HopelessN00b but as a serious answer, "quite a bit longer than you'd ever want it to. Especially during an outage."
@HopelessN00b p.s. cos you browse SF at work I also know who you work for because you were nice enough to set up a proper ptr record ;)
@derobert Not if you're doing things remotely right. 5 minutes, tops, unless you did something dumb like not type wr, ever.
@MarkHenderson Nah, that was the guy before me... or before him(?) that did that. One of the few things that got set up sort of properly before my time. And if you query our ns record, you'll see what I mean by "sort of."
Oh, and we do make an awesome sauce, though I don't know if they make it all the way down under, or if the chains down there use local suppliers.
Not seeing anything too unusual about your ns
23:35
@HopelessN00b Err, that depends on how long it takes to bring up all the interfaces, BGP sessions, etc. But of course, if you're doing it right, its either at night when no one cares, or you've already moved everything to a different router.
@MarkHenderson try reaching half the servers. Or either of the authoritative ones.
@HopelessN00b Reaching them how? They respond to my nslookup request
I don't expect them to do much else than that
A wrong accepted answer on StackOverflow? Nawww
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A: ip based ssl certificate

Dean HardingThat is correct, SSL certificates are tied to a domain, not an IP address. The problem is that people type domain names into their browser address bar, not IP addresses (usually) and it's what you type into the address bar that is validated against the certificate (that is, the certificate valida...

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A: How to install two packages that write the same file

Paul GearAnother choice is not to use Deb Multimedia. The duplication of packages with Debian main was sufficiently concerning to cause Debian project leader Stefano Zacchiroli to ask Christian Marillat to make major changes, which he didn't do. See their discussion on the Debian multimedia mailing list...

Wat.
@WesleyDavid Could be worse. Try Superuser. :-(
23:42
SuperOverflow?
@ScottPack UserOverflow
StackUser?
Like cordwood.
@MarkHenderson Hmm, they shouldn't. Two of our listed nameservers (the authoritative ones) are down. One because it was turned off when no one knew it was being used for DNS, and the other for some other reason we're having trouble looking into because no one seems to know our customer details with the DNS host that hosts it.
@MarkHenderson Actually, hold that thought... which nameservers do you see for us?
@HopelessN00b domain?
@ScottPack Mark knows, with his super-duper mod powers.
23:51
Well.
And here I was going to be helpful
Well, I think the answer's gonna about make my head explode anyway, so I'm sure how that falls along the "helpful" spectrum, honestly.
dig +nssearch <domain>
` 'dig' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file. `
:p
wtf POS system are you using?
Windows, natch. I'm at home.
23:55
so type nslookup
then when in the nslookup shell type set type=soa
then put in your domain
I did an online search anyway, and it seems to have confirmed that although I have to go through a rectal exam of a change control review board to do *anything* (like reboot a hung VM, for example), some asshat modified our nameserver records without saying shit about it.

Someone's gonna have 4 flat tires tomorrow.... :/
Uh oh... 4 minutes... need 15 points.
@ewwhite quick, make 7 and a half tag wiki edits!
never done that before.
@HopelessN00b Sad pandas. So many sad pandas.
23:57
@MarkHenderson amusingly I've gotten mail to my SE username before lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gCoXJI6Nkzk/TxPNtMuFKnI/AAAAAAAABSM/…
@WesleyDavid Tell me about it, @HopelessN00b probably doesn't even realize that nslookup and host have both been deprecated and soon will be obsoleted.
@JourneymanGeek with a minimum of photoshop work, you can change that official customs declaration to read OTHER: SHIT which seems highly worthwhile to me.

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