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@HopelessN00b You don't have an SSH tunnel / proxy to the world?
At work? No. We're lucky we have any connectivity to the world at the moment. Part of the reason I'm working there.
Hey... how do you request a thread be moved to a site that's not selectable from the close vote list?
@HopelessN00b Flag and type in "migrate to ..." in the other field
Oh great.
Yup, 'nother helpful flag. Thanks Jeff! :)
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Q: Apache unresponsive on OS X Mountain Lion after upgrade

Sarah VesselsI'm having trouble getting Apache set up on my MacBook in Mountain Lion after I upgraded from Leopard. I tried following these instructions. I have the LoadModule php5_module libexec/apache2/libphp5.so line uncommented in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf, I have a my_user_name.conf file in /etc/apache2/...

If any wildlife in the area wants to jump on that dog-pile, I guess I wouldn't care. :)
00:18
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@mgorven Hark! Do you use Lighty with CGI much?
w00t, halfway there!
helpful flags 129
So I just gotta get ~240 more before you waste the crap posts in your futile attempt to get a Marshall badge, huh? Seems doable. :)
00:38
@WesleyDavid: for some reason that reminds me of a cat in the washing machine
Jesus Kitten-Killing Christ 39 flags? You animals!
ugh, mom's blasting religious discourse, and I can't listen to something else, cause I'm waiting for her to finish cleaning the cooker hood filters so I can help her reinstall it
@JourneymanGeek I have a suspicion that voretaq may have been addressing the n00b and the porcupine.
lol
I was just bitching on principle
Oh, then by all means, carry on. I do that frequently myself.
00:41
I just threw up 18 more flags.
@voretaq7 You want a full up queueueue? I can go take care of that for you. Some of them might even be legit!
@ScottPack I just randomly delete everything in the flag queue :-}
@voretaq7 You know what that means right? I have my new flaggable posts search
@ScottPack the random number generator may frown on that :)
00:45
meh
All right, you heard him boys. Let's start at the top!
@voretaq7 Fond memories, no?
@JourneymanGeek WOBBLEwobbleWOBBLEwobble
@ScottPack In all seriousness, it might be fun to do that as an April Fool's day thing. Set something up so it looks to EA like his top 50 answers have been deleted, and he's a mere mortal again. :D
You know he has over TWO THOUSAND answers, right? His top 50 would barely scratch the surface
@MichaelHampton quick, before voretaq gets to 'em, let's swap flag lists so we both flag all the posts, and double his irritation!
@ScottPack Look at the top 50, though. They're all at least +200 rep answers, and many of the older ones are probably going to be >+1000. He'd drop down in the ratings ladder enough to freak him out without making it painfully obvious he's being messed with.
The dude's earned 640 rep this month. Only 165 of it on new answers.
00:51
Hmm?
ahh the ol passive rep thing
Pretty good residuals.
What happens if we CW that subnetting one?
@ewwhite Sup baddy?
Does he lose all that rep?
@ScottPack No, you keep what you got until the CW-horizon.
00:53
DAMN
Community Wiki
@HopelessN00b Creamy Weasels.
@WesleyDavid spent much of the day sitting out. That cabling question was silly. The OP didn't even post a real photo.
Oh yeah, you gotta delete the answer or thread.
00:53
I love how often MrDenny and mfinni show up in the low quality queueueueueueueueue.
@ewwhite ORLY? You Tineye it or something?
ohhhh the Destroy Account button. SUCH GOOD TIMES!
@voretaq7 I picture you sometimes like the Heavy in TF2 when reviewing accounts. "I AM HEAVY WEAPONS GUY!!" zot zot zot zot zot
dd bs=4096 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/evan ?
00:55
In the thread, he says "I just inheritted something that looks like the picture below"
@ewwhite "Could've been worse. Could've inherited something that looked like your face!"
Fucking webmin. Goddamn amateurs.
Oh, I see. Not so heinous, then. But I missed that. We really should press him for a real pic of what he's dealing with.... it makes a difference to the answer, after all. Not that it matters at this point.
@ScottPack Everyone knows that real professionals use ISPConfig.
00:59
@ScottPack I should have said Kloxo?
Do you do broadcast IT?
@ScottPack I do IT anywhere I can.
Giggity.
I dated a girl like that in college.
@ScottPack There are other kinds of girls in college?
dafuq
01:00
Math majors.
How good does OS X's Mail app work with Exchange?
Pretty well.
So long as you only use one Exchange account
If you add a second it gets all kinds of fugly.
@WesleyDavid not worth it.
I remember 10.4 was one step up from having a spectroscopy done with a spade bit.
I don't know if that is a side effect of having two accounts going to the same exchange environment or if it still blows up if they're on different servers.
01:03
I had to support a good number of users in that setup
it gets better each release
It's significantly more stable than Outlook for Mac.
Actually, Outlook Mac isn't bad...
It's what I use...
@ewwhite Yeah, I'm just going to stick with Office/Outlook. I lurve Outlook.
Really, MS and Apple in general... or Apple and anything else in general is like trying to get oil and water to mix. It never works too well, and most of the time you end up with a damp, greasy mess all over the place... and not the fun kind of that mess, either.
"Oh look, I have a new email. Here, let me click on it and wait 15 seconds while it beachballs."
Fucking Outlook for Mac.
01:04
so I had a good trial... 10 partners at my company. 2 went outlook, the rest went apple Mail
The Exchange calendar/Apple Mail/iCal interaction was weird.
I'm thinking I'm only going to keep Parallels around for Office and Quickbooks, but I'll migrate to QuickBooks Mac version when 2013 comes out to stay in line with my CPA firm.
@wes I do Quickbooks cloud...
or their online service. Their Mac UI is rough.
@ewwhite Hmm... might be an option. Because, you know, the cloud is so trustworthy.
I have seen problems with Exchange calendaring on Mac when the user record gets too big.
=P
My whole contacts / email / calendar situation is a flaming mess.
I'm actually using a client's exchange system as my main calendar / contacts repository.
I'm thinking I just need to get a RackSpace Exchange account.
01:07
@WesleyDavid bad kitty
I have a one-user Exchange install in my co-lo.
You use FirstClass don't you?
Oh, is this "Star all the Wesley things!" again?
i star your shame!
@voretaq7 I shame your stars. Shame!
01:08
@WesleyDavid My stars know no shame!
They aren't hosted on client infrastructure :P
@voretaq7 I am a bad person.
I go back so far with this one place that when I got them up and running on Exchange, I used it as my main email / contacts / etc. to dogfood it for them.
5 years later...
sigh I'm such a tool.
I've got free access to tons of Microsoft licenses since I'm a partner.
I'm not making this look any better for myself am I. -.-
Remember when you had self-respect and did good work? Yeah, me neither.
@ScottPack Self respect. Not even once.
Holy fuck. This make script is like Russian Roulette with every chamber loaded.
Is it worse than vendor provided spec files?
You already ship an rpm for this distro so how the fuck is your SPEC so busted?
01:14
@ScottPack Devops.
I expect better from the likes of Sourcefire and Fyodor.
@ewwhite Do you use any CRM system?
helpful flags 161
@ewwhite Doesn't need CRM tools. He glares at his customers and they manage themselves.
01:17
CRM - Crappy Relationship Management
Because your relationship with your customers SUCKS.
Right. They demand too much and pay too little.
@MichaelHampton Talk to me when you hit 400.
@ScottPack OK, see you tomorrow.
@voretaq7 I've got contacts spread across Outlook / iPhone, Quickbooks and WORKetc. Outlook because I email people, Quickbooks because it makes me create company accounts to invoice, and WORKetc because I'm lame.
@JeffFerland Your make script?
01:21
Right now I'm erroring out on an apt signing key.
I'm just writing everything I need to make the build into a puppet script. Once is enough.
Right. If your script is going to blow up and cause you pain, it may as well do it on as many servers at once as possible.
I seriously need to go through and cleanup my puppet tree. I could probably greatly reduce my complexity by moving more to parameters and templates as opposed to configfile-$::fqdn matching
...you know, if I wasn't so scared of getting an answer, I might think about how it is that anyone actually willingly lets me near their systems, let alone pays me for it...
@HopelessN00b My favorite thing is when I do a major snort upgrade because it requires updating the rules, package, and config file all at the same time. I generally push that out to the prod tree and enable autorefresh on the dashboard.
Oh, well good to know. I'm not that crazy, relatively speaking. :)
01:28
Simply because of how they've engineered snort, so much of it is version number dependent. I'm sure it's fine with a couple of devices, but after a few dozen the upgrade process gets a little nervous.
How important are updates anyway? Be like a small business running Windows servers. What's wrong with Windows 2000? We still have a bunch of those machines, and they work fine.
Your house probably looks fine too, but that doesn't mean it isn't infested with termites.
Please, that's ridiculous. I've never seen termites infest a Windows 2000 computer.
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A: Server Backup Solutions - compiling?

Rajathave try out http://www.zmanda.com/ for your environment!

Man, that guy cracks me up. "Have try out [spam] for your environment!" Hahahahahaha
Good ol' Rajat, sure breaks up the monotony of deploying shit for work.
@HopelessN00b And I'm out of inform moderator flags AGAIN, for another 40 flags for @voretaq7 to wade through... :)
Holy fuck!!! How are you finding all those? Knock it off! I need a Marshal badge too. :p
01:40
@HopelessN00b Those guys are fucking NUTS with their EOL policy.
@HopelessN00b I'm sitting on a gold mine here.. :)
@ScottPack Really? I would have figured the Linux world would be a lot less... craptastic about that than the closed source MS/Wintel vendor world.
@MichaelHampton And you're not gonna share it, huh? In that case, would you mind running a test program I email to you? :p
@HopelessN00b Oh, I'll share... right after I get to 500 :)
@HopelessN00b So the rules are pretty well tied to the minor-minor version. Signatures are on a 30 day lag for non-paid feeds, which means I have to wait 30 days after a new version is released to upgrade to it.
Signatures for 2.9.3 were just released free within the last week. Yesterday I upgraded from 2.9.2.2 (the most recent previous version). Today they announced that 2.9.2.2 had been EOLed.
01:45
@HopelessN00b Oh yes, please do send me your test program.
Someone want to go upboat this for me? I would have for Jeffe to lose it.
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A: Why does the httpd process consume so much memory?

Jeff FerlandSee Server refuses to use swap partition for some details on memory usage and how you may be mis-interpreting usage. Here's more info I grabbed from an idle test system: #snippet from running `top` PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 19545 www-data 20 0 148m...

How would he lose it?
Because you get to keep rep on answers to deleted questions if the answer has score of 3 or higher.
@ScottPack I think also if they age out after so many months.
@JeffFerland What ages out?
01:48
I gave it an upboat, but even awful questions generally don't get deleted if there's an upvoted answer to it.
@ScottPack I think if your answer has been there for months, you don't lose rep
Either way, it's not sending me back to 9,999
@JeffFerland Ah, I didn't know about that condition.
I just know they added the 3 or higher rule pretty recently.
Makes me a lot less hesitant to flag old bad questions.
shrug I rather see crap vanish than keep rep.
I need more flags to flag crap answers.
Generally I do too. I was trying to take into account what percentage of rep I was potentially taking away from somebody.
01:55
I thought the general policy was that if a crap question has useful information in the answers, it should be closed, not deleted.
Also true.
Just because someone has a few upboats on an answer doesn't mean it's useful content.
@HopelessN00b My useful information was elaborating on another answer from another question. Nobody will go to that steaming pile of a question and actually get anything from it.
@JeffFerland Nah, looked like a good answer. Probably no one will get to it from HERE, but that doesn't mean it won't hit in a search engine query.
Views are another metric taken into account. Even if it's a closed question that's pretty low quality, if it gets a shitload of views then SEI wants it kept. It may be bad, but it still drives traffic.
Oh, sweet mother of unholy hell!
01:58
Go on.
"Rajat is someone who brings with him a treasure full of experience of over 15 years in open source technologies. When it comes to virtualization he has single handedly managed end-to-end migration projects in KVM and Xen that involved right from sizing the systems to P2V of existing physical servers and finally to commissioning and supporting the virtualized environment for many corporate clients in India ...
@HopelessN00b <troi> I sense a story coming on
... He understands what can go wrong in virtualized world and how to take care of it. He also has root level knowledge on Red Hat platforms and has commissioned over Red Hat HA clusters. His quest for open source is never ending and that is why he has found Amazon EC2 to be an ideal play ground for his recent implementations. ...
Oh cool, so he wrote his own writeup.
... Off late he is busy delivering top-notch solutions on the cloud to his clients and has been evaluating variety of cloud management tools to find new dimensions that can help its clients to achieve more from SAS.
01:59
He has root level knowledge. Shazaam.
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And a "Cloud Univeristy" class of 2012 graduate too, dontcha know?
Speaking of flaming piles
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A: McAfee Virus Scan and Oracle RAC

bobince when we came to re-enable the AV and reboot we got the BSOD. Don't do that, then! You don't want AV running on your servers. It'll only cause weirdo compatibility problems like this, and occasionally cripple your apps when it detects a false positive. Meanwhile it won't actually protect you...

Somebody here has a CloudU certificate. Makes me scratch my head. For everything I know about him, he's way beyond that.
Anyway, time to GTFO out of here
02:01
@ScottPack I can't laugh at that.

Guess what exact AV product my corporate overlords make us run on our database servers?
@HopelessN00b So you have a McAfee contract, eh?
Sweet dreams, @JeffFerland!
Not that I object to McAfee... anymore than I object to AV in general... but what the flaming fuck is it doing on the database servers?
Hopefully being well managed.
It also depends on what kind of data the database is storing, it's exposure profile, etc. I would need to do a full architecture review before getting in on you rant. :)
Fair enough. In our case it's all internally... well, yeah, fair enough. I suppose our security is swiss-cheese like at the moment. Not that this is the reason they have AV on database servers, but maybe not such a heinous thing afterall.
I love me a good rant, but by god I want to be justified in it!
I work with a few guys who are fanTASTIC ranters, but they also tend to fly off the handle pretty quickly without actually understanding what's going on.
02:24
I'm generally against AV on servers, but I'm also generally against Windows on servers...
I'm generally against your face.
@voretaq7 Did you decline my flag against Rajat?
@ScottPack which one?
yeah - zmanda is an answer to that question (they make packages for it)
Reason #243 to hate OSX: It can get you fired. Opened a Youtube link that someone IMed you? That's when OSX decides to start thrashing. Good luck asshole
02:28
it's a shit question, and not a particularly good answer, but just because the guy asking it couldn't be assed to look one step further to see packages doesn't mean it's not an answer -- it means the OP is a lazy tard :)
@ScottPack You flagged that too? I flagged it too and got declined. :) Was wondering about that myself.
@voretaq7 Ah, I'll take your word for it. I was having trouble mapping his answer back to the question.
Yeah.. my thought process was... "what the %&# does this have to do with anything? Oh look, it links to a page with a shopping cart. SPAM!"
For the record, I'm not complaining about your response, I just wanted to hear why. :)
that's cuz it's a crappy answer :)
02:29
Crappy, but not spammy. Guess there's a distinction. :)
mmh, yeah I guess I should break his link
::breaks::
pro forma comments FTW!
should probably close it as a shopping question too while I'm in there
Ah, so they are related. Amanda's quite good.
@voretaq7 Want me to flag it as such for you? :)
should probably close it as a shopping question too while I'm in there
02:32
You already said that.
Must be a glitch.
@ScottPack yeah, it's called "Flash player decided that playing the closing credits of Captain America means nothing else in Safari is allowed to run"
(FUCK FLASH)
Safari? What the hell's that?
Isn't just a porn browser?
One of things you go on to see exotic African animals, I think.
I see we've gotten to the Rajat era of crappy questions?
or answers in this case...
@HopelessN00b Ubuntu?
@ScottPack Safari is the browser that leaks less memory than Chrome or Firefox
Found a nice query on data.se that I've been working my way through.
02:35
so I only have to restart the browser every week or two instead of nightly
I only restart Chrome on reboots.
@voretaq7 Yeah, I think my PRNG must have caught fire or something. I keep getting a lot of the same things reloading 30 random things in review. Including one page that was over half Rajat answers. It was kinda funny, though it did give me a headache trying to read them.
Oh, a query... that's probably a much less st00pid way to go about this. Doi.
New rule: "Closed by Jeff Atwood (mod hammer)" => BALEETED
@HopelessN00b Probably. But I haven't yet found it necessary to resort to data.SE
@MichaelHampton I'm gonna sniff out that gold mine of your eventually, you know. :p
02:38
@HopelessN00b Oh, sure, eventually.
@voretaq7 I wonder if I can write a query to search for questions closed by Jeff
Hmm. Shockingly, site:servfault.com spam is not a good source of potential spam flag candidates. Heh.
Do we have a canonical question for "HALP I'M BEING USED AS A SPAM RELAY?"
site:serverfault.com -inurl:meta.serverfault might be.
if not can someone write one because oh my god there are a lot of those.
02:42
Isn't that what Chris' canonical spam question is supposed to do?
@HopelessN00b oh right that just got opened recently didn't it?
I remember putting it on the canon list now
This week, I'm pretty sure.
I kept telling myself I'd stop being useless and throw my hat into the ring with an answer. Hasn't happened yet. I may enjoy being useless too much.
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Q: Apache unresponsive on OS X Mountain Lion after upgrade

Sarah VesselsI'm having trouble getting Apache set up on my MacBook in Mountain Lion after I upgraded from Leopard. I tried following these instructions. I have the LoadModule php5_module libexec/apache2/libphp5.so line uncommented in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf, I have a my_user_name.conf file in /etc/apache2/...

should I give them until tomorrow to make the question answerable, or punt it as-is?
@voretaq7 It's a developer. What do you think?
@MichaelHampton I think aside from the fact that it's on their laptop it's not a terrible question, but we don't migrate crap, and as it stands there's not enough info there to answer it so all I can really do is mod hammer it closed...
Remember - we're better than the StackOverflow heathens :)
02:49
Really? It doesn't have enough info for a migration to AskDifferent?
I voted to close. If they fix the question, perhaps it can be reopened.
Shows what I know about apache, I guess.
@ScottPack hey - serverfault.com/a/7829/32986 <- that's a useful answer
I would have held up a big sign that said "Well, You're fucked!" but that's just cuz I'm an ass...
Woulda been my answer too, but cuz I dunno no better.
@voretaq7 I'm willing to accept your premise.
Cheese it guys. The ole lady is watching.
@MichaelHampton ERMAHGERD - NGRMADLY!
slight cherectar mix up, eh?
I googled for "You're Fucked" and that came up.
@MichaelHampton "See what happens when you run a Win2k8 beta?"
Correction. She wants to be called the Olé lady.
02:57
@ScottPack . . . so dig through the archive to find all those pictures of tits then?
OK, it's porn time.
@MichaelHampton . . . its BEAU-TEE-FULL
I got a rise out of this:
http://i.imgur.com/gufjb.jpg
@MichaelHampton Sorry, still not as awesome as the 1.5U Cobalt Raq.
@MichaelHampton oh, what, you're gonna yell at them now aren't you you abusive fuck?
I think those data.se quesries might not all be realtime or up-to-date.
@HopelessN00b they're not realtime (yet)
You guys are boring.
Good, I didn't lose 5300 rep when I went to take a leak.
03:03
@zypher has promised us realtime data.SE queries though... and if he doesn't deliver we're going to ship @WesleyDavid to him to care for.
@HopelessN00b Serverfault is currently from a dump from june 27th.
I like it!
@HopelessN00b oh no, that's real. I randomly deleted half your answers.
@voretaq7 the bad half though, right?
@HopelessN00b RANDOMLY!
I had the lizard stomp around on the trackpad
03:04
snort
@voretaq7 So you delete in the same way I answer? Seems fair. :D
(Fun Capacitive Touch Device Facts: Lizards can activate them.)
Aug 21 at 17:45, by voretaq7
@OliverSalzburg Also I freely admit edit approval from me is a like a pachinko machine - what I reject on monday I might approve on wednesday depending on how cranky I feel :)
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Q: Forcing machine to run at a certain temperature

victorThis isn't entirely a programming question but, how would one make a computer run at an inputted temperature? The machines will be running Linux for a heatsink design project.

^^^ WHAT?
Uh, wow. Yeah. The crazy on this site seems to vary exponentially with how far in the past you go.
@voretaq7 THAT'S WHY I FLAGGED IT
I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
03:09
Time for me to go to bed. G'night gentlemen and developers.
Oh look, I've earned the "linux" badge.
@MichaelHampton I'm sorry.
@voretaq7 I suppose it's better than earning the "windows" badge.
I... think I might have that actually
Nope. But I have Ubuntu
that's almost as bad
@WesleyDavid I run it with FastCGI
03:19
Enh.
There's a Linux badge. Get cracking, Mike.
@WesleyDavid I think I have plain CGI setup too, but don't use it much
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Q: When I use VIM and exit, the vim screen doesn't get removed from my terminal's "history" or scrollback buffer

HammersOn my machine I have a setting which makes the last lines I saw from vim stay in my terminal history (the scrollback buffer) after I've exited vim. I don't know what this setting is and I want to get rid of this behaviour. When I use vim on other machines, and exit from the editor, the last lin...

I suppose I'd get thumped pretty hard if I submitted ~"use nano" as an answer to that, huh? :p
It's a decent question...for SU
Yeah, for here... just way too many smart-ass answers I wanna give to that.
Please comment "use nano" so I can flag it.
03:29
Done. I also throw emacs and pico in there for good measure. :p
@voretaq7 I think @Zypher and I would make a good dynamic duo. He smashes everything in sight, and I'm wiry enough to fit into the small spaces and wire it to explode.
@mgorven Okay, I was considering a Lighty/FastCGI thingy recently and wondered if there were any gotchas.
'cause I'm a noob.
"...this also fails when I load Ubuntu onto a USB stink..."


Lol.
that smells
I hate iTunes.
Who doesn't?
03:41
Crap. We should stop blowing away Rajat's heinous spam.
He no longer has the lowest `Upvoted:Downvoted Ratio`. :(

http://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/66964/the-worst-upvoteddownvoted-ratios-among-users-with-at-least-100-posts
03:53
missiles. For when deleting posts is just too time consuming
Ugh. Keep finding lots of users pimping the same spam in every post they've made (or damn near to it)... yet if I did a DDoS, I'd be the one going to jail. Damn society and whatnot.
"Your spam worked, look, more traffic than you can handle!"
04:57
So, I see that the Mac experience has been improved from "clicky clicky clicky Pretties! clicky clicky clicky Sad Mac!" to "clicky clicky Pretties! clicky clicky Beach Ball!"
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