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00:05
Oh yeah, re-inventing the NaN wheel, only 10x slower!
        function is_int(value){
           for (i = 0 ; i < value.length ; i++) {
              if ((value.charAt(i) < '0') || (value.charAt(i) > '9')) return false
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           return true;
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2 hours later…
01:51
@ewwhite The Highline and one of the food places. Very nice.

Definite risk that I'm going to spend all my free time trying to find a good sysadmin job and decent place out in NYC I can afford, so I can kiss the Midwest good bye after I finish the current 18-24 month project I'm on.
02:09
@HopelessN00b yello
@HopelessN00b What's the story? What are you working on in Chicago?
02:44
Nadda, nadda. I'm in a shit "city" in Ohio. Having been to Manhattan now, I'm definitely gonna see about moving out here if I can swing it.
@HopelessN00b Are you looking for work?
yeah yeah
I'm still dealing with the fallout from the VMWare situation
Couldn't find a good euphemism for "dog's breakfast"?
I told the client what was wrong... the customer told their local vendor.. the local vendor responded with excuses...
I think I see where this is going.
The linux version of vCenter was already present. I dislike it as well, and have already downloaded the windows version... Just isn't the priority at the moment
I complained about ILO not being setup.
I have iLO enabled on the new server I just installed, and when we move to the new datacenter I am going to be enabling iLO on all the Vmware hosts
One of the hosts is missing an entire 4-port NIC...
Host 3 only has one network connection for now. Need to see how many open ports we have left. (on the switch)
03:32
Sounds like exactly what I thought it was.
oh, what's that?
He didn't do it right the first time so he could come back and fix the problems he caused, and take home more money thereby.
I don't think he knows how to.
Maybe I'm just cynical.
Seriously, it took a week for him to get this far.
03:36
So, just plain incompetence then?
well, yes. THe vSphere appliance doesn't just SHOW UP...
I couldn't even think of building a modern server today without any ILO/DRAC/IPMI
2
It takes more time to physically go to a server and mangle it than to manage it remotely. Is he billing hourly? :)
maybe he is.
but it's just sad.
If it was all running smooth as silk, they never would have called you, now would they?
@MichaelHampton Even if he is billing hourly, fuck that, too much effort
Sysadmins are lazy
I would just do it via ILO and then bill them for a trip to the DC
2
03:48
You're going with the incomptence theory, too?
@MichaelHampton Its always rough coming into a network that someone else has done, because they always do things differently to how you think it should be done. So it's tough to make a call between incompetant and just 'not the way I would have done it'
But having your iLO/DRAC unconfigured? That's either incompetent, or incompetent
@MarkHenderson We had that discussion earlier in the day; I think we had pretty much ruled out "not the way I would have done it"
@ewwhite That one about the free ports on the switch made me lol; I installed a new VMWare server in a doctors office a few months ago, just to find out that they had a 6-port 10/100Mb switch running the entire office. Which was of course full
@MarkHenderson A consumer grade switch, too, right?
So I sent the secretary out to buy me a proper switch from the local electronics store. I told her to make sure it was a 16-port gigabit switch. I even wrote it down. She came back with an 8-port 10/100Mb switch.
@MichaelHampton Fuck yeah. Unmanaged Netgear thing
Its only a small office, with no rack, so I wasn't worried about unmanaged. But that's one of the reasons why I try to stay away from really small networks
(but there's a lot of money in doing doctors. They don't even blink at $120/hour)
03:53
Well, this client is asking me to install 6 application servers (Linux) in this environment... the local tech sold/built this vSphere setup.
and I refused to install anything until I got access and a chance to review it
@ewwhite Sounds like a wise move
honestly, the client should have paid me to do the entire thing... I charge 3x what the local tech does.
maybe 2.5x...
@ewwhite But can do it in 1/3 of the time, and correctly.
@ewwhite False economics. I used to think I was a pretty average sysadmin when I came to SF, but after seeing what everyone else gets up to...
This would have been an afternoon for me.
03:55
Ha, right. I hang around here to find out how much I don't know.
I realise I'm not in the league of people like Womble and Evan Anderson, but shit, anyone who can piss int he toilet without mucking up the floor is better than a lot of the people I see around now
and we're here at 7 days now...
it's the nice thing about this field... there's always stuff to learn.
I learn a few new Linux commands every week
but I've done over 100 VMWare installs... and I know HP gear in and out... the client shouldn't have bought from this dude.
@ewwhite Remember to tell the execs how much money they wasted going with that guy.
You guys purchased at least 6 iLO licenses so we will be good to go on all the Vmware hosts.
from the vendor...
I'm probably shady for not buying every ILO license...
But I usually buy servers that include the Advanced license.
04:01
either way... I've told the client my issues.
04:15
@ewwhite Speaking of, if you have a buttload of servers manageable over IPMI/RMCP+(?), what do you use to manage them? Some free or paid management tool for monitoring and remote KVM?
@MikeyB ipmitool and Excel?
Define "buttload" :p
@MarkHenderson Hahahaha. How do you do it in the real world. And ipmitool only gives you SOL, not remote KVM.
@MarkHenderson Say... 10,000.
I was looking at the Intel MSM and it's apparently good for up to 100 or so. Bit of a laugh.
@MikeyB Ok, 10k is about 9.5k more than I could expect to manage in a single location
Are they all the same brand/vendor?
I've seen some pretty big Dell OpenManage installations
I'm sure that HP have something similar. Don't know about other brands; I know that SuperMicro have got some 10,000+ server installations so they should have something as well (and hopefully its better than their internal OOB interface, it sucks)
@MarkHenderson In theory... currently trying to find out if remote KVM over RMCP+ is a standard or differs across vendors.
04:30
@MikeyB I use HP's tools... but can you give an example of a task?
@ewwhite Hardware monitoring & inventory, remote KVM.
Currently writing up a SF question and hoping that it won't be closed as 'shopping' :)_
@MikeyB Sadly I've never seen any sort of Remote KVM standard
I use the HP ILO for KVM, reboot and some diagnostics. The nicer server platforms have OS-based tools that can be of more use.
Standards reduce the amount of outrageous license fees vendors can charge.
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and no, there's no standard... Dell DRAC and HP ILO can be scripted
and have SSH interfaces.
I don't find the ILO useful for monitoring
04:35
@ewwhite Same with the DRAC. It does expose some features, like PSU status and fan speed (yay?), and some interesting yet not critical things like power consumption. But it won't tell you about important things, like disk failures.
But you need an NMS that supports discreet IPMI sensors, which it turns out quite a few don't
In fact I'm still searching for a good method of monitoring disk failures on ESXi hosts
(apart from waiting for the host to go offline)
@MarkHenderson With vCenter, use the SNMP or email alert feature
@MarkHenderson What vendor of ESXi hosts? HP? Can't ESXi pop an alert up to vCenter?
and that all falls under the Host Health umbrella.
@ewwhite I don't trust email-only alerts, but SNMP via vCenter sounds like a good idea. I was assuming I would have to do it at the host level...
@MikeyB Dell
Make sure you have Dell CIM or HP CIM agents installed on the ESXi host.
04:39
@ewwhite Yep. Got approximately one billion items listed under health status
Give or take
I'll have to explore what vSphere exposes via SNMP. Does it have MIBs, or is it mostly the standard stuff?
there are MIBs... included in the installation. you'll get a variety of things...
in OpenNMS, I get host alerts
I must havebeen having an off day, I didn't even think about monitoring it via vSphere
I just threw it on my ToDo list and it's never filtered its way to the top
(my ESXi hosts are by far the single most stable thing in our entire infrastructure)
individual hosts, though.. tricker to maintain
If it's on an ESXi host, or is an ESXi host, it just never fails thankfully
I've seriously considered virtualising our edge firewalls; just need to find the time
05:16
Mannnn every time I read something like this in a thread: Please don't dig up 12 month old postings where the "OWNER" said a suggestion "works great!" (support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/694465) I just want to scream
Especially as the 2nd answer after the "works great" answer is actually a better answer for what I want to do
If everyone did what they wanted, I wouldn't have found the right answer. I almost want to post anothdr answer telling him to shove it, just to bump that thread to their front page
Especially when the "great" answer has this on its linked page: This add-on has been disabled by an administrator.
 
1 hour later…
06:29
sure - sorry for that, in fact i tried to format text before but i couldn't - hopefully it worked now — exequos 14 mins ago
"I tried to format text before but i couldn't" -> "I tried to format text before but I was too fucking lazy." FTFY
Cool, I just reported a spammer on twitter before they tweeted anything :) twitter.com/AEIJg4eUUIf I'm so leet.
OK, should be able to sleep now, later.
 
2 hours later…
08:49
Morning all
Morning! :-)
hello stranger!
finally got over the 10k :-)
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ahh so tired
09:00
@BartDeVos congratulations
09:17
09:37
Good morning.
Dan
Dan
10:00
Please help me
I'm on a site with NO VLANs
And one huge, flat network for everything
And excel spreadsheets
My brain hurts and it's only 11am
10:39
@Dan ouch
@BartDeVos You did that on Friday:
2 days ago, by Ward
Somebody vote for 2 of Bart's questions to push him over...
http://serverfault.com/users/59789/bart-de-vos
Dan
Dan
10:59
Does anyone have anice little tool that will take (and write) images to a USB drive. Don't need any special features, it's just I need a couple of bootable USB sticks which aren't all straight forward to create, but not
enough sticks for what I need. So I want to take an image, reuse the pen drive and then put the image back when I'm done.
(and reading that back barely makes sense even to me, so sorry about that! I'm rushing :D)
os x or windows ?
Dan
Dan
11:18
@lsiunsuex Windows, sorry
@Dan alexpage.de/usb-image-tool doesn't get simple than that
Dan
Dan
@lsiunsuex That's ideal, thank you
11:42
@Dan There's also uNetBootin that I've used for creating live/boot USB sticks.
@Ward thanks dude :)
Dan
Dan
@tombull89 Thanks Tom, may take a look
PS, for all the haters - look what I did on Friday :D
...
>> drum rolls...
Dan
Dan
It was awesome, though I didn't get to go into the stadium :(
11:52
y not yesterday when the fireworks went off?!
Dan
Dan
@ColdT Because I didn't have tickets, though I would have loved to have gone. Went to see the Synchronised Swimming on Friday and spent the day in the park - thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing
if you managed to get onto the bow fly-over like the coppers did, would be amazing view
Dan
Dan
Yeah, was quite tempted to hang around London for Sunday but had to be home for a reasonable time
I also wish I'd have had a tripod for when it went dark, but there was no way I was going to cart one round all day. In fact, I'm not even sure you can take them into venues anyway
Dan
Dan
12:18
@lsiunsuex Worked perfectly even if I am using the slowest USB drive in the world
12:42
anyone have an easy means of comparing 2 mysql database's and syncing their structure? (but not their data)
@lsiunsuex Interns. They're always easy.
Wait, that didn't sound right.
could train the wife i suppose
show tables and describe tables.
There probably exist tools to do it, but depending on how many tables you have that should be easy enough.
This morning's "PLZ GIVEZ ME TEH CODEZ" help ticket:
Chris, we can get a Windows VPN in to $CLIENT, but the RDP connection won't connect from here at the office. It does work elsewhere. Please help.
13:00
morning
morning
@lsiunsuex MySQL Workbench will do that
MySQL Wowkbench is the best free DB design tool I've ever used. And there are plugins available for exporting various scripts (create DB, modify this or that) that are compatible with other DBMSs (SQLite springs to mind immediately)
thanks guys. i'll look at workbench.
13:33
f'. think i'm still hungover from saturday
@lsiunsuex that is way over 48hrs :|
took my site live saturday (to the local students) , boss took me out for a drink. 3 glasses of wine later...
@lsiunsuex 3 glasses of wine later, you had 2 bottles?
haha, at bars around here usually 4-5 glasses per bottle
indeed alcohol is evil lol
13:44
probably half - 3/4 bottle - nice restaurant - usually fill the glass a bit more
which is shitty, wine usually doesn't give me a hangover - probably didnt help i spent sunday watching tv eating Mike and Ike and brownies
@chriss Oooh, trouble with the HP MSA50... Did you make up your mind about buying one?
13:55
@lsiunsuex I meant: 3 glasses of wine later, suddenly you had had two bottles? (i.e. the sudden realization you've drunk that much without realizing it)
oh haha
last time i drank 2 bottles of wine in 1 sitting was my 21st birthday. and that did not end well (before i knew the difference between good wine and shit wine)
Dan
Dan
Here's a question, does having more memory than Windows supports (From a licensing perspective, not a physical limit) impact performance or is that a myth. Makes sense to me that it can, as it's managing something it can't utilise but does it, and if so, is it noticeable?
I thought about asking as a proper SF question, but it seems a bit too open to debate
theres a limit on memory from a licensing point of view? thought it was always just 32bit / 64bit physical limits
@lsiunsuex The different Windows Server Editions enforce various restrictions as well.
thats cute
(dicks)
what a moron. $sysadmin[3] imported a users email from another pc, but instead of putting it in a pst, imported it into their ost. now the user has 500mb+ of email on the server. a BIG no no in our company
Dan
Dan
14:06
Sod it, I think I'll SF it
14:21
@lsiunsuex physical memory restriction explained here - msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/…
@Dan that links also explains a little about performance
as for licensing perspectives, God knows what MSFT does!
14:39
Yes, I just saved the day with some esxcfg-nas magic...
lol what happened @ewwhite?
@ColdT Client calls to say that a UPS battery failed, taking down the SAN and NAS device connected to it.
They were unable to remount NFS datastores to their vSphere environment.
(I'm thinking, "you have multiple UPS devices laying around?")
Is @chriss or @chopper3 on?
Yes and Yes
14:54
@chriss be honest... ILO licenses.
Do you buy one for each server or reuse?
Is "not lying" close enough to "being honest"?
yes.
In that case "no comment"
Client is being told to buy "six ILO Advanced licenses" by their local tech...
and I'm like... "O rly?"
Yep. I quote our clients the same. And if they balk, I say "well try one and see if you like it"....What they do with their one code is not my business.
14:57
@ChrisS I typically buy servers that include the key.. (high-performance models)
I imagine Chopper gets them free or at such a ridiculous discount that it doesn't matter.
but end up using one of a pool of keys
I mean, there's a site license available, too.
If HP ever changes the keys so that it's specific per machine or something where you can't use them on multiple, I could get a budget approved for our internal use... They're plenty useful enough.
It's pretty rare that I use iLO's advanced functionality. It's usually someone calling me when I'm on vacation asking "Why isn't this server turning on?"
Right... I use the console and the video replay and all of the other goods.
@chriss But isn't "Insight Control" and the terminology around that a bit confusing?
I'm still not sure what "Insight Control" is exactly..
15:02
@ChrisS A four-digit line item.
I'm not sure what it is either.
@voretaq7 Yeah, but what does it do?
@ChrisS Makes money for HP.
I know it something that either supplements or replaced iLO with an integrated control "server" (runs on Windows and Linux)... I've got that much out of the marking BS.
15:03
I'm sorry - you were expecting it to do something for YOU, weren't you?
Um... It depletes your excess capital budget so you can get more next year? :-)
It sounds like HP SIM
@ewwhite "and includes an iLO Advanced license" <-- Well that really helps.
@ChrisS Supplements from what I understand - It's basically a central location for all your ILO Fun Party Time features
at least that's what I've figured from the HP marketing literature and the price tag :)
Someone somewhere uses it.
I'm still struggling with this 3-server setup running on the Linux vCenter appliance.
terrible
@voretaq7 Well I can get a Insight Control license for $209; but iLO (which is included in the IC License) is $301... How does that make sense?
15:08
um.... um.... um.....
9/11 terrorsts al queda dirty bomb freedom?
Dan
Dan
@ChrisS It's HP, you're looking in the wrong place for sense
"Do you use KMS?"
"Nope, not at all"
*Installs KMS key.*
*Doesn't work*
*Checks DNS: 3 other KMS servers*
Sooo........
I think I've used this tea-bag twice; time for a new one.
@Dan you said "use", not "have"
@Dan Ask me about the time a tech made a job that activated installs with the KMS host key, not the Client Setup key. Good times.
Quick one... Still working on a local tech's vSphere installation.
This is ESXi 5... The VMFS LUNS are version 3.54
instead of 5...
it should be 5, right?
15:18
@ewwhite It gives you the option when you create them. Youa re limited to the VMFS 3 features though
You don't have to have VMFS 5, but it is probably a good idea
The datastore was created yesterday.
And I haven't written anything to it yet.
I would recreate it then
Unless you need backward compatibility for older ESX installations
yeah, don't think that'll be an issue
15:33
Epic...
0
Q: Epic Fail - How do I undo an incorrect tar command?

Kamilski81I spent the past weekend creating a VirtualBox instance with the perfect setup. Once I was finished I tried to tar+gzipi the virtualbox for sharing with others, and I accidentally ran the following: kamilski81:~/Documents/Virtual Machines.localized:ruby-1.9.3:$ ll total 18450696 -rw-r--r--@ 1 ...

@ewwhite as good as permanent delete!
I was going to respond with "⌘Z"
should I just close it OT ?
It's misuse of the tar command...
that sucks...
Dan
Dan
@jscott Haha. To top it off, I've just had a half hour 'debate' about how the internet and routing works which basically boiled down to someone using the phrase "hosting company" instead of "ISP". Ar fucking argh
15:38
@Iain it's not technically OT... there's no "My GOD you're fucked!" reason though
though I guess we could kick it back as OT on the grounds that it should have gone to U&L
@voretaq7 not entirely convinced ~ it's virtual box after all and a sysadmin would have just created an appliance using the GUI
How about delete it, they've cross-posted to SU already.
@Iain true
@jscott fab :)
ok is it me or is today's concentration of Stupid on SF at an all-time high?
I think this heat wave shit in the US is baking people's brains or something.
15:47
@voretaq7 really? What are you seeing?
@ewwhite the new and unanswered questions list
@Dan I just had to explain to one of our consultants what a "CPU" is... As in something different from "the whole f-ing server"
@voretaq7 Well, the MSA50 question bothers me because the OP did not give enough info.
Some of our boys never deal with hardware... now I know why.
Dan
Dan
@ChrisS Is he still your consultant :S
15:49
@ewwhite no no, serverfault.com/questions/417007/… and <- THAT GUY didn't give enough information.
@voretaq7 okay, you win... that's worse.
@voretaq7 Top that one off with "You misspelled SSL as SSSL"
@ChrisS The extra S is for Super.
"Password protected sharing is turned off, 128 encryption is on" <-- On what planet does that make sense?!
@ChrisS I'd need context, because a https site without login is a lot like that.
16:00
@ChrisS The surface of the sun.
@ChrisS tharg
@84104 IIRC that one was talking about Windows file sharing?
I left it alone because I know nothing about Windows file sharing...
@84104 Windows file sharing for a local network. It's completely open, no login requirements at all. But at least it's all encrypted so while anyone can get to anything, nobody could eavesdrop on what each other is looking at.
And here I was hoping no password meant using only Key: vno 150, aes128-cts-hmac-sha1-96, Version 5
Though I'm not sure cifs has support for krb5p, which means that people can still eaves drop. However, they can't MitM if you're using krb5i.
@ChrisS Your porn is protected in transit!
oh my Satan...
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Q: Does SSL encrypt the IP

jamescostianI am building a personal server. I want to be able to access this server from anywhere, and I don't want this server to get blocked. It is my understanding that HTTPS encrypts my traffic, but I also heard that it doesn't completely encrypt it. I heard that if you go to a website with a domain, a ...

@Iain how many shots of vodka did you need to write that answer?
I don't understand!
@voretaq7 erm
@Iain well I'm assuming you've had enough booze (or pot, or pills, or something) to be very mellow, otherwise you'd shove the IP protocol up their ass sideways...
@voretaq7 drinking tea atm and I see MH has substantially updated his original answer which was pretty much the same as mine
some days I just can't be arsed getting all het up about it
Some days I want to become a consultant who charges 6 figures plus expenses to come in and fix whatever some previous idiot did to people's environments
16:24
@voretaq7 It's my day-to-day
@ewwhite nah, if it was you'd be rich and happy :P
@voretaq7 Not happy... but it's quite lucrative.
"$300k plus you buy all the hardware and software I tell you to" = 6 months to a working environment :)
idk my experience as a consultant is it pays well but the customer never wants to implement the solution you spec because it's kerspensive.
@voretaq7 The bitterness creeps in over time... you see so much broken stuff. I lose faith in the skills of other engineers.
But my client base is pretty consistent and is a captive audience. They buy what I say unless there's a local-tech involved.
@ewwhite that's not a concern -- I have no faith in the skills of other engineers. If IT monkeys designed bridges we'd be replacing them every 3 years because they collapsed into the river :P
16:27
That's when it gets difficult... and you end up arguing over whether there are enough switchports or whether the ILO should have been configured.
@ewwhite MOAR PORTZ!
@voretaq7 No $300k... at least not from ONE customer...
@ewwhite see that's the problem. To deal with that much brain damage I would need to take at least a year off between clients...
@voretaq7 I have ~30... and things range from recurring hosting/backup services, a retainer for some places (to ensure I pick up the phone) and traditional hourly billable work at ~$180-$200.
It gets confusing sometimes, but I've worked with most for 8-10 years.
But I didn't want to grow into a full-on consultancy.
Because I can't compete on non-specialized technologies like Windows and Cisco, where there are a ton of good consultants available.
yeah there's always a market for fixing shit other people screwed up though
16:40
Mrrrow!
@voretaq7 Which is why the job hunt has never been pressing for me...
@ewwhite flimsy ceiling.... or big cat?
but it wears you down... fixing all-the-problems, all the time.
lmaooo cat!
Do you guys actually want this? The OP wants it moved
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Q: Is it good to have partition of 800GB on RAID1?

PrashantBIs it good to have partition of 800GB on RAID1? I am planning to install a server with /boot - 500 MB / - 50 GB /opt - 800 GB SWAP - 8 GB All the partition with RAID 1 on two WD enterprise HDD. Please suggest your valuable views.

@MichaelMrozek Eh, it's a crappy question...
It would get closed or hammered here on SF.
16:46
@ewwhite it's Monday - they're ALL crappy questions... except the strange Bacula one :)
@voretaq7 That's a no then? :)
@MichaelMrozek Way too subjective.
@MichaelMrozek yes - it's a no
-1
Q: Who created the term service desk?

Fabio Limathis may be very off topic, but I need to know when the was the first time the term "help desk" to describe IT support activities and who coined it. I read somewhere that it was IBM in the late 70s, but I could not find confirmation. Its for school work. is there any expert service desk manager...

@MichaelMrozek yeah we'd just yell at him for lack of detail and stomp on his question with golf shoes
@voretaq7 you beat me to closing that
16:49
@Iain have kids these days never heard of a research librarian?
0
Q: Where to find info on how to set up a vm in redhat 7.2

Roy GrubbI have a RedHat 7.2 server that was set up by someone else long ago as an e-commerce server. It is still in use for that purpose and I dare not make significant changes to it as my Linux-fu is weak. But now I want to set up a virtual machine to run under redhat and can't find a source of inform...

@voretaq7 most people have but fail to use it
they're very strange nice people, usually bored to death eager to help
It's been awhile since I've tried questions on Unix.SE...
Red Hat 7.2... lordy.
@ewwhite Already? That seems a bit soon.
16:51
7
Q: Why can't I run this C program?

EngineI'm trying to run my first "process" program, but I get the following error : ./fork.c: line 4: syntax error near unexpected token `(' ./fork.c: line 4: `int main()' I'm pretty sure that the code is correct: #include <sys/types.h> #include <stdio.h> int main() { pid_t pid;...

oh dear
Wait, I'm mixing RHEL and RedHat aren't I?
@84104 yes
@84104 Yes... RH 7.2 professional was... mid 2002.
@Iain . . . @MichaelMrozek I'm sorry.
I thought ours were bad.
Wow, that didn't have 7 upvotes when I saw it. That's a little depressing
And the answer has 43 upvotes...
16:55
I was sad because my users had no thoughts, but then I met a man whose users had no knowledge... now I weep for humanity
@MichaelMrozek "Answer a stupid question, get a shit-ton of rep!"
@voretaq7 that is at least consistent across sites
@Iain Now we just need "Ask a stupid question, get a badger dropped down your trousers!" and we're all set
we need education.stackexchange.com so the one from my freshman year of college can ask the most famous question ever: "Professor, what's a syllabus?"
@voretaq7 we used to have an attack badger but he doesn't cruise by so much
speaking of Russians Poige was about at the weekend being mildly abusive
@Iain Attack badgers should not be Lazy
17:00
@Iain That was a special question.
oh yes
@MikeyB asked by child molesters and people who talk at the theater special?
I go and ask a sensible useful question, get 30K views and… 5 upvotes. So unfair :p
asking sensible questions or providing well researched and presented answers is not the way to rep
@Iain Sometimes it is... maybe?
17:05
not generally
Today's pain... customer insists that they have been taking tape backups...
I look... hmm, tape drive hasn't been used since December 2008.
any opinions on a good, solid video camera - solid state storage - NOT expensive - but good enough to be posted to / as web content?
doesn't necessarily need it to be HD
@lsiunsuex and no desire to use a DSLR?
no - have dslr's - looking for strait up video to stream over usb / into google hangeouts - whatever
@ewwhite oooh so where are all those backups
17:13
but more than the built in webcam on a pro
@Iain They have netvault... so I'm assuming some sort of network backup.
there are some sony ones on newegg around $250 < $300 ish - i just haven't been into video in a while
we have a dslr that does video but only at 30 min a piece - then it stops and need to start again. (nikon)
may have to pull the manual and see if i record with it attached over usb if i can bypass the 30 min limit
ie: leave the mirror open and stream right into adobe media encoder
@Iain Thanks.
we do have a flip hd - through it on my manfrotto tripod - might be ok
lesson #1 in life: never sell old equipment - you never know when you need it
@lsiunsuex GoPro w/ WiFi back?
wide-angle, though
17:27
wide angle is fine
not bad - 300
might have to check ebay - the wifi thing is cool
do these things just stay on then? most video camera's turn off after 15min or whatever if their not actually recording
nice selection on ebay. thanks @JeffFerland
@lsiunsuex I think if you have it powered through USB it'll stay running
I'm certain where they're supporting streaming directly, it'll also behave
Just keep in mind that the "fancier" supported one is via the newer Pro2 model. The Pro can probably stream through computer, but I don't know the details
17:45
@ewwhite `Are you looking for work?`

Not really/kinda. More like I've decided that moving to midtown Manhattan is going on the 5 year pipedream plan. I mean, even though I'm easily worth it, and salaries are higher in NYC, I'm not sure there are a lot of job postings for sysadmins at 200k/yr and up. :(
@HopelessN00b not many outside of finance
@HopelessN00b $200k...
heh...
Sysadmins have to take the train in
@HopelessN00b I think at that point you're best served by consulting?
@HopelessN00b What's your skillset? I have contacts there.
17:51
Ya, no doubt. :( looks like I may need to heavily supplement any in-career salary with a healthy dose of electronic theft and fraud. Or actually, may have to supplement my electroni theft and fraud with a high paying sysadmin job.
@HopelessN00b No need. You gotta work the system.
@ewwhite a lot of everything - heavy on virtualization and high optimzation for high performance/high speed computing in a big DC environment, with enough of everything else to keep it together, and avoid being dangerous. Still, not gonna be enough to live in Midtow, so it's just a pipedream.
@HopelessN00b Just remember to declare your ill-gotten gains as income per IRS rules as noted in IRS Publication 17
@HopelessN00b I can afford Midtown... but still don't think it's worth it.
@ewwhite I thought stealing was working the system.

@voretaq Yeah, another lovely catch-22 legal setup.
Oh, damn... time for work now, will query later... my math said almost 200k for midtown.
17:58
@HopelessN00b Yeah... $186k.
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