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05:12
@MarkHenderson Yeah, I think we're going to be rolling Unity out once I get back from my vacation. Not exactly unhappy about it, but not exactly thrilled.
you guys might be talking about different unities
wow... kinda deep
@rnxrx Deep thoughts require alcohol.
@rnxrx I think so. I mean the unity as in the VMWare Workstation feature that allows you to combine your windows and native programs
perhaps a unity should be a measure of alcohol then
@MarkHenderson That's what I figured. FWIW, it really does work pretty well. I forgot I'd left it on the other day. I had been using it for a week or so without even realizing fusion was running.
@rnxrx Sounds good to me. My co-workers think I'm speaking in code half the time anyway. Might as well make that one encoded too.
05:18
@Adrian I've often subscribed to the idea that it's OK to be cryptic as long as you still sound credible.
nothing worse than when people try to go there and miss... major party foul
then again, it still beats using the word "cyber" in any non-ironic fashion
Heh. Yes. And it's disgusting how frequently I hear people use "Interwebs" in a non-ironic fashion. Including a news reporter the other day. I think I died a little inside.
at least "information superhighway" has mostly died out
That's because it's not a highway, it's a series of tubes.
notadumptruck
That either.
05:28
hey - has anyone tried Scientific Linux?
@rnxrx Yet another RHEL clone. Looked at it, but I've pretty much solidified on Oracle Linux
* Note: Oracle Linux now gives their updates for free too.
Hmm... Maybe I'll give that a shot. I keep getting whacked with weird crap in the various Debians.
That's Debian for you. Every time I attempt to run it as a server (about once every major release) I'm reminded why I keep going back to RHEL/clones.
Ubuntu "Server" wasn't much better.
yeah - at first it seems decent, but I always seem to a hit a wall
as we speak I had to reboot a box to get NIC bonding to work again... I should -not- have to reboot for that kind of crap any more
My complaint for TODAY about my Debian "server" is the default syslog configuration is bizarre and stupid.
05:37
@MichaelHampton Im sure it thinks you're bizarre and stupid too. Strange fleshy creature.
@MichaelHampton Debian is neckbeard garbage for people who beat off to FSF pamphlets
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the depressing thing is that somehow a lot of the networking seemed to work better with Slackware 15 years ago
Oh, and I'm STILL tweaking the postfix config, almost a year on.
06:12
OK, so i bought VMWare Fusion almost 2 hours ago, and I still havent received my license key, and it's not on the VMWare Website, and it's nowhere to be found. Fucking vmware.
@MarkHenderson Aggressive spam filtering?
@MichaelHampton Nope. Checked the spam box. Plus it's gmail, they're pretty good
made myself lol
Fuck, that picture is loading soooo slow
It reminds me of dialup
06:14
Paul maritz next to a jet is more fitting in a couple of ways
@MarkHenderson Did they actually give you an order confirmation?
@MichaelHampton They probably got his card number in upside down
Oh yeah, if you used a foreign credit card it might have been held for some kind of fraud check.
@MichaelHampton Nope. Although they took my money
@MichaelHampton I used PayPal
G'day
06:21
@MarkHenderson Obviously something's broken.
@Iain Oh, Iain is here. It must be almost home time for me!
@MichaelHampton Yeah, what a fucking surprise.
Now I'm going to have to jump through hoops to get my license. And I purchased it under my personal account, not my work one. Probably could have got someones attention with my work one.
@MarkHenderson :)
07:11
Morning :)
07:40
Greetings folks, I don't think you want this question, do you?
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Q: How to manage millions of users?

ChrisI am about to launch something really big. I need to prepare my server and database. I would like to group each set of 100, 000 users in separate user tables but I do not know how to associate one user trying to log in to the appropriate user table. For instance, how would I know that user jay@...

@slhck No thanks - that falls under if you have to ask buy a consultant
@Iain Seems it's gone to DBA shrug
@slhck I don't know about DBA but in general Help me with my FB killer site don't go down well here
@Iain I had a flag sitting on it to move it here, so I figured I'd ask, but the question instantly went to +3 on DBA. Heh.
I guess they don't get enough "how do I write a facebook/wow killer" questions then
07:46
@Flexo is it a 'problem' on SO too ?
@Iain I think Diablo is hotter than wow now
08:23
morning all
wow millions of users! that guy need serious help, or else that db going to crash and burn :|
09:06
does anyone use FCoE over iSCSI for any reason in particular
@ColdT that sounds like you have too many 'o's there :)
09:28
@ColdT That makes no sense as a question, do you mean iSCSI over DCE or something else
@Flexo i count 6 lol
@Chopper3 let me rephrase, why would you choose FCoE versus iSCSI?
Yes, I do, use it all the time right now - love it
but I was never a fan of iSCSI anyway, jumped pretty much from 100% FC to 100% FCoE
@ColdT ah I thought you were proposing FCoEoiSCSI which sounded nuts :)
that'd be two L3 protocols over one L2
@Flexo hahah nooo!! sorry guys, my English is poor this morning!
09:31
certainly you CAN run iSCSI over DCE, even at the same time as FCoE but the iSCSI wouldn't be able to benefit directly over how it normally works
09:46
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Q: huge amount of TCP connections on 1GE port

Elad DotanI have a Rackmount server with ESXI 4 and on top I have 12 VMs with Centos 5.X. I have 2 CPUs with 6 core each (total of 12) and 40GB of RAM. all VMs are connected on one 1GE port. I need to know if the server (hardware / software (ESXI) can hold up to 30,000 TCP connections? Thanks!! Dotan.

"hold" sounds like a tarpit when used like that
 
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11:21
Good day all...
morning
Well. Morning for me anyway...
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Q: Which among is suitable as per these need?

Kevin ParkerI am having a dedicated machine with 16 core CPU, 48 GB RAM.with 4 HDD(2 1TB and 2 3TB),One Gigabyte ethernet card. I wish to Virtualize these to 7 VMs,which includes 3 MYSQL and 1 NFS server. To reduce Disk I/O i am planning to run VM in shared memory /dev/shm and Datas to NFS server. ...

@ewwhite isn't that a shopping question, which is a big no no ?
11:39
does anyone know how I can underline text in an answer
think my answer should be clear enough now: serverfault.com/questions/412046/…
i would say <u>..</u> but dont think that is allowed
12:15
I don't think there's underlining
its markdown, it shouldn't allow obvious stuff like that
12:26
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Q: nginx clobbering sftp traffic during peak times - is tc the answer?

njahnkeThis is probably a continuation of my previous (unanswered) question because the underlying cause is probably the same. I have a Linux server with nginx and sshd running on it. It's on a shared 100mbit/s unmetered link. During "peak times" (basically, during the day in the US), sftp performance ...

13:00
morning
Morning all
I like /r/sysadmin
@basil: What did you find this time?
Sometimes I get frustrated with my own lack of advancement in knowledge given my years of experience, not being where I should be...then I see questions on r/sysadmin that make me wonder "WTFH?!" It makes me feel slightly better.
i.imgur.com/JC9Au.jpg this got to be fun!
13:12
@Basil Whyso?
@BartSilverstrim Oh, but are you advancing NOW?
@ewwhite Trying to :-)
Definitely not the easiest thing to do. But like @chopper3 said...sometimes you have to take risks.
I took the biggest risk I've ever taken in my life and so far it's been a mixed bag, but it seems to be working out.
I may be doing something similar soon.
Something to share yet?
I talked to Kyle last week.
@BartSilverstrim @ewwhite I just enjoy it :) Reddit is a good way to communicate, and there's a little more stuff relevant to what I do there than on SF.
13:15
@BartSilverstrim Risk-taking reminds you you're alive
@BartSilverstrim Nothing yet. Just finishing this round of interviews.
Well, good luck with them.
They're never easy.
...no one likes being judged, or that's how interviews always felt to me. :-/
Oh, interviews are easy :)
I'm done interviewing...
just making decisions.
I could never work for SE, firstly they couldn't afford me and secondly, look at the cunt-bubbles they've already got there! :)
@Chopper3 heh... I'm unqualified...
:)
13:17
:)
@Chopper3 You know one thing that makes you great to talk to? I can never tell if you're high on something or not.
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Or that's what someone said...
@BartSilverstrim ditto
13:19
It's like Yoda meets Hannibal Lector.
Anywho...
@ewwhite Well...I was too :-)
@BartSilverstrim I've heard the story.
I'm not sure I want to know...
Haha...
13:21
@Chopper3 I checked on those guys you mentioned, no IP correlation, not even on the same continents
@BartSilverstrim Haven't been high since 19 Dec 2003
@Iain ah ok, thank you anyway
@ewwhite thanks for the info on the laptops - I've passed it on
The fact you know that down to the date is...nevermind. I'm not sure there is a proper word, even in a language as screwy as English.
@BartSilverstrim interesting ?
@Iain Lenovo?
13:23
not quite the word, but it may be nearly...
@ewwhite I think so
@ewwhite prefer your answer to that last question
@ewwhite who were Lenovo originally ? IBM ?
Yes.
IBM sold it to a company in China so now they're just Lenovo.
But it used to be IBM.
@Iain Yeah, the old IBM thinkpads... they were just easy to service as corporate laptops
Most things were modular.
I had terrible laptop users, but the Lenovo hardware was pretty robust. I still find that people prefer Apple nowadays, but if that's not an option...
13:27
It's for a friends daughter who'd a bit clumsy so that'll be good
If you have the budget you can get a Panasonic Toughbook...
Lenovo was the OEM that made the Thinkpads for IBM
^what he said.
Thinkpads are pretty robust, but i had an issue with the USB port on my x220 (and horrible service)...
13:28
So IBM sold off their laptop/desktop business to them, but they're the same products from the same factory as when it was IBM branded
Same people, same stuff, except for maybe the service policies.
IBM seems to be in a slow death spiral.
the newer ones weren't R&D'd by IBM though, but the initial Lenovo offerings were IBM designs
@BartSilverstrim No way, they just realized shit like desktops and laptops were stupid to deal with when they make their real money elsewhere
Same R&D labs, lot of the same management
@MDMarra: pretty much that, and they realised they could make money by selling a brand they wouldn't use anyway, and licence their name for 5 years
@mdmarra if I am building a file server for Windows... including My Documents redirection and general file storage use, should I enable DFS?
@ewwhite I would use a DFS namespace, but I probably wouldn't use DFS-R (replication) for home folders
DFS-R isn't really for rapidly changing file contents like home folders, it's more for long-term high-read replicated storage
13:32
what's the difference?
DFS Namespaces would let \\server\share appear as \\domain\share
this lets you migrate easily
just do a restore to the new server and add the new server to the namespace while removing the old one
you don't need to fiddle with CNAMEs or renaming servers or multiple IPs on file servers for future migrations
Hmm, you want to do the layout of this file server for me, then?
sure
DFS-R really shines when you need to get the same shit to a bunch of sites, like a folder with software for deployment or a standard install image, etc
it's the site I needed help with in LA... Got the VMWare environment running. Need to do file server, get RDS running, and start migrating users to Exchange.
Lenovo got us a pre-release patch to fix an issue with a network card's ROM and our WinPE 2.1 PXE booting. I was in direct contact with their engineer team. They did this for "free" (we bought a lot of X200/X201).

Our Dell desktops had the same nic, but their support pretty much told us "Use WinPE 3." and closed the ticket.

Now we buy Lenovos for our desktops as well. :)
13:37
But these Apple laptops... crazy resolution...
we just got 3 lenovo x220 laptops. what a shitty mouse they put on it
@ewwhite I don't have much experience with exchange or rds, but I could give you a quick hand with the file services stuff
@mdmarra and do you know about RDS farms or load balancing?
negative
Oh, I know Exchange well... that's the easy part.
13:40
+1 for DFS-R. We bounce a few of our core shares between our sites with it.
@lsiunsuex The TrackPoint or the touch pad? I love the TrackPoint.
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Q: FlexClone splitting in Netapp ontap 7

BasilI have a large volume containing only an NFS share I'd like to split up. 500GB of it (three specific subdirectories) needs to be put into a new volume. I'd like to avoid writing this data again. Here's what I think would work, but a colleague thinks that it won't work: Flexclone the large volum...

the point is ok i guess. the pad is horrible - either way, need a usb mouse
@SmallClanger Yeah, I used it to mirror our software deployment share with MSIs, scripts, unattend files, etc to all of our remote sites
@lsiunsuex Ya, I just turn off the touch pad.
13:41
And what does high Page File usage mean in Windows?
@ewwhite That it's on? </snark>
Actually, maybe @vCole could help me with this when he gets in: serverfault.com/questions/412863/…
@MDMarra On that subject. What do you think to the idea of using DFS-R as a cheap backup mechanism? (So there's replication, but no referral to the second server)
@ewwhite Actually, is that an exchange box?
@SmallClanger Well, I mean it's not really backup in the sense that if one of your dumb users deletes something, you can't really restore it
That's a Windows 2003 Terminal Server with ~80 users on it.
4GB RAM...
13:44
That would mean that theres an awful lot of paging going on
So I need to get those people onto a new terminal server...
which is built...
Or more ram
32-bit
/PAE ;)
but if you've already got a new server, fuck it
new server > old server
they're both on the same VM infra.
13:46
@MDMarra No, true. I'd run VSS on the live one for dumbness mitigation and take normal tape dumps from the slave. (the slave would also take dumps from other services).
@mdmarra just out of curiosity, how would I be able to allocate, say, 8GB of RAM to a 32-bit W2003 server?
It's like 32-bit Linux and largemem support?
I don't know how Linux does it, tbh
But a 32-bit Win server with compatible hardware (basically anything modern) can address more than 4GB, but since it's a 32-bit kernel, no single application process can consume more than 2GB (or 3GB if it supports that /3GB boot switch)
So, basically, in a heavy multi-user environment, you'd probably be able to get away with 32 bit and more RAM if you had to, but in something like an Exchange instance or SQL Server where there's just one process eating all of the RAM, you really need x64
Plus, it's 2012, everything should be x64 anyway except for bandaids
right, so the new stuff is all 64
PAE mode, isn't it? Never run it myself, but it gives you a 36-bit address space.
but I just need to move files and profiles...
13:51
Moving profiles from 2003 to 2008 is more than just a copy. I've never done it, but the whole profile layout changed between them
There's probably a tool for it
@MDMarra USMT?
Sounds about right
@Basil That looks entirely sensible, but unfortunately I don't have a NetApp on hand with which to test.
We have a bit of shoemaker's children syndrome here.
@MikeyB Yeah, USMT is the officially sanctioned tool, and works rather well.
@SmallClanger Writing an application to use PAE, so it can use more than 3GB, it a super-PITA.
@MDMarra I just want the files... eff-everything else.
13:58
@ChrisS I didn't think it was possible
@ChrisS So that's possible? Some kind of crazy threading model?
@MDMarra @SmallClanger The app has to do some of it's own memory management, swapping pages. I only know of a few apps that have it. The page swap has a massive performance penalty, so there's no sense in doing it unless you're stuck on a PAE platform and really need more ram.
Actually, I think SQL 2005 (only certain editions too) is the only app I know of that does that.
Heh heh, this morning's ticket:
"Can we get snowstorm rebooted I need to check a file"
Snowstorm is their Power box. Yeah, we'll get right on that so you can… *puts on sunglasses*… check a file.
14:21
Gah... WTF with the rash of "I want FDE on my Remote server, and I want it to automatically unlock, but I don't want a hacker/thief to be able to automatically unlock it" <-- Seriously, did you even think about that for 2 seconds before posting?
I don't get this guy's comment - serverfault.com/a/412883/1435
@Chopper3 I think he was saying that you should have told the guy to tune his app and implement a cache layer rather than move the db to a new box
but he's buying the new box anyway right?
ya
Honestly, that's a shitty question
Which has lead to that shitty comment
14:38
cheers
@Chopper3 He's being an idiot. The app is running perfectly fine (probably) on the existing hardware, he's moving to new hardware, no apparent need to put things on different boxes.
No but if he wants to split the system he needs to know which part is going to benefit from the newer HW right?
14:59
Why have there been so many shopping questions?

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