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It's the normal audits you have to really suffer through, because the auditors don't know a fucking thing, and can't tell the difference between a real problem and a tool that's not 100% accurate on its reporting.
Hell, I had a problem on a Sarb-Ox audit once because the company cheaped out (big time) on their backup software, and was throwing errors trying to backup pagefile.sys (which couldn't be excluded). Auditor's interpretation was that all our backups were failing. Dipshit. But, at least we got the budget for real backup software out of it, so not all stupidity is a bad thing, I suppose.
@HopelessN00b Haha yeah ok well we probably had experienced auditors who knew what they were doing, rather than green graduates on their first outing, determined to prove that their cock is bigger than yours
Like I said, I really think it's the security level that makes a difference. You're not gonna get security clearance to be doing those kind of audits unless you actually know anything. The normal run of the mill regulatory audits though, they probably just throw the nearest paralegal or CPA-washout at. how it looks to me, anyway.
You're probably right
Just hope you don't end up with this guy
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Q: Our security auditor is an idiot. How do I give him the information he wants?

samA security auditor for our servers has demanded the following within two weeks: A list of current usernames and plain-text passwords for all user accounts on all servers A list of all password changes for the past six months, again in plain-text A list of "every file added to the server from re...

@MarkHenderson Best question on SF, bar none
@JoelESalas With 230kviews I thnik a lot of people agree with you
00:07
Any DNS pros out there?
@MarkHenderson thats awesome
Yeah, I saw that one. Honestly never had an auditor that clueless. (Send me plaintext passwords.) Just seem to get guys who don't really understand anything about the systems they're auditing and fall back on "the tool says..." which tends to start going downhill swiftly when I manage to figure a way to get the tools to output "you're an idiot" or similar. And that's the other thing. No sense of humor, those auditors.
@Micah everyone is a pro in everything - whats up?
I dunno about a pro, but I've heard a thing or two about the Department of Nuclear Safety. What you asking about? :)
I have a hosted DNS where I use the web interface to create and modify existing entries?
00:12
@Micah I'm a professional DNS.
I guess that makes me an expert in the superuser sense
Everyone asks me "Hey man, what's the IP for the DB server?" and I type "dig db.server.prv" and tell them the IP.
hence, I'm a DNS.
@JoelESalas That means that they're connecting to your db server by its IP address. I bet somewhere deeeep inside a DLL in your software the IP and instance name are hard coded for the next 4,500 years
@JoelESalas totally the wrong approach. Tell them "it says 127.0.0.1". They thank you, and once they figure it out, stop asking you for help. It's great.
@MarkHenderson More like config files that include config files that include config files that include hand-defined universal constants
$pi=22/7
In one of my english classes, the matter of Pi came up
00:16
@HopelessN00b Tell em it's 127.0.0.1 and then it won't work so they'll go and ask on SU where someone will say "Oh, they said to connect to 127.0.0.1? Then you must need a proxy from your local machine to the db server" and then they will set an SSH tunnel from their local machien to the db server to forward the SQL ports
One chick insisted beyond insistence that Pi was 22/7. She could not understand that Pi was a number, 22/7 is a different number, and they are close but not that close.
@MarkHenderson Sounds about right. As long as they stop bugging me.
So, virtualisation from within OSX - VMWare Fusion, VirtualBox or other?
*#%&. Damn webfilters. chat.stackexchange.com is apparently a game.
@MarkHenderson Virtualization in OSX practically requires an SSD
00:23
@JoelESalas Really? That bad?
Fusion worked really well for me when I had to have a MacBookPro at work about a year back. Really smooth ad crisp, almost forgot I had a Mac.
I've been running various versions of Fusion for about 5 years with XP, Win7, FreeBSD and Linux on a succession of of MBP's
don't go there unless you've got lots of RAM - 8G minimum - but in general I haven't found it to be too bad on I/O
hate it when theres a thumbnail for a porn video and it links you to a video that is clearly not in the thumbnail
@MarkHenderson I found it terrible. OSX is RAM-hungry. Installed Linux+VirtualBox on the same box, smooth sailing
i like parallels for os x
00:24
@lsiunsuex On the other hand I love it when those calls come into the helpdesk. :)
@rnxrx 12Gb on a brand new i5 iMac
@MarkHenderson Do VMWare.
Whoah, it's cheap. Why isn't VMWare Workstation this cheap?
@Mark probably fine, but common sense about the amount of stuff running goes a long way
00:25
I always feel like Parallels is liable to go a different direction at any point.
@MarkHenderson It doesn't do half the stuff workstation does
@rnxrx Of course. Biggest bugbear at the moment is I'm trying to do my tax and they have a Windows Only version. But all my documents are in OSX. Pain in ass to copy them to bootcamp/reboot/etc
@MarkHenderson You'll be happy with virtualization with that hardware... as long as you stick to one VM at a time.
@HopelessN00b Yeah it'll be pretty light usage. Cool, sounds like Fusion is a winner
turbotax.com and do it online ?
00:26
Oh I also want a decent fucking RDP client
@MarkHenderson freerdp
@lsiunsuex He's in upside-down land
@MarkHenderson Get COrd.
@Mark Yeah - I usually end up in windows for something like that (or Visio)... Like I said, been using Fusion for a long time. The Windows integration is good, if nothing else.
@lsiunsuex Not unless I somehow found my self transferred to the US without knowing
00:27
@MarkHenderson cord.sourceforge.net
I need a decent RDP client that supports TS Gateway
@ewwhite +1000000 on CORD
ssh into an american server and do it from there ? :)
Is cord still based on rdesktop or have they switched over to freerdp?
@ewwhite Looks a shitload better than the Microsoft offering, but it doesn't look like it does TS Gateway
00:28
probably rdesktop-based
I doubt we'll support this unless rdesktop does, or if someone is especially ingenious and implements it as part of CoRD.
@MarkHenderson f r e e r d p
Ah, I found it. It seems like switching over to freerdp is on their todo list. Eventually, we will be transition to FreeRDP and development will speed up after that transition. Sorry, no timetables at the moment.
@JoelESalas FreeRDP doesn't work natively on OSX does it? You have to use X11?
@Zoredache I imagine macports would help
OK, does this hurt anyone else's head?
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Q: what to do if one of two Power Suply is in "Failed" state in ilo?

javapoweredI'm using HP DL360p Gen8. In Ilo 4 I've noticed that one of two Power Supply is marked as "Failed". What does it mean? No power or hardware problem? Should I ask admins to check? I do not have physical access to server, but I can ask admins to check.

00:31
@JoelESalas macports won't make an X11 application magically support cocoa. They mostly just package thigns for easy installs.
Like really, you have to ask? What else are you gonna do, wash it with a bucket of soapy water?
wait till the other one dies. then you'll have 2!
Yeah, really need that matching pair, or something.
@HopelessN00b Clearly a problem with a USB port
@HopelessN00b My car has a big "check engine" warning and makes funny noises when I turn at full lock. Also, it blows smoke when I accelerate. Should I take it to the mechanic?
00:35
@MarkHenderson No, that's just silly. Use it as a smoke bomb. Which is more than you can do with a phailed power supply.
@HopelessN00b Well, if you can get a current through it.. exploding capacitors are fun!
when a power supply fails, it simply means 110v isn't enough anymore. plug it into a 220v outlet
naah - it just means it needs help making DC... just hook up -48V and it will feel better soon
@lsiunsuex All of my servers are plugged into 240v
@MarkHenderson well you, yeah :)
00:40
I guess I could plug them directly into 3-phase outlet. Which prongs should I short out pins 4 and 5 to?
o! o! the ground prong goes into the red wire!
Hehehehe. Reminds me of something I read online that I like to do fuck with the OEM repair techs. Splicing power cables and various other computer cables together. Power to USB, power to CAT5, even power to serial cables. "Here, man, borrow my console cable if you need to configure the device." :D
3 phase might kinda work @ 208... best to make sure it's at least 600V
I found a hell of a deal on a toroidal isolation transformer... the guy sent it to me with a power cord (C19) where the ground had been wired to the hot.
00:45
@Zoredache If you install X11 and run freerdp from xterm it should work
we had a problem once - we couldn't figure out why some tv's weren't getting power (breaker tripped but we couldn't find) it so i made a double sided power cable (prongs on both sides) plugged 1 end into a hot outlet, the other into the dead outlet and put a 120v tone generator on it. found it!
Woohoo, 3002!
Gonna be harder to get them flaggin badges, though.
@HopelessN00b: Donno about SF but the late answers queue is a goldmine for flags on SU... ;p
(I don't have the rep to see it here yet)
@HopelessN00b I already have 70 helpful flags. I'm sure I can squeeze in a few more somewhere.
00:58
@JourneymanGeek Could be... I was just referring to the fact that once you get the close-vote privilege, you don't flag anymore, you vote to close. And at least for me, "this thread sucks, flagged" is about 95% of my helpful flags.
@HopelessN00b: I know. I'm a high rep user on SU. MOST of my flags are NAA or spam since the flagging badges came after i got VTC, and i hadn't really learnt to use the SE system well in my first year ;p
Hasn't quite been able to level up his server skills yet :/
Damn, if it was a choice between SU and leveling u my server skills, I'd be a superstar sysadmin in no time.
grumble I wonder if I can con the Cisco rep into giving me a real AP for my "home office." Fscking netgear crap.
@JourneymanGeek Start small.
Yeah, that's good advice. Those plug servers are easier to fit in your pocket and sneak out of the datacenter.
Tried to do that with a 1U server once, and ripped my pants. :(
@HopelessN00b Anything that fits through the door is small enough to sneak out of the datacenter.
01:06
@MichaelHampton: That and I'm still an unemployed student. I'm learning the theory as well as i can, and doing stuff that i need as i find the time/resources. I personally think its not the same as actually doing stuff on a larger scale
I'm not there until i can, on average answer a question a day, like i do on SU :)
@JourneymanGeek Don't let that stop you. Even setting up a "home server" can be valuable learning experience.
Well, if it's not too late for you, might wanna reconsider learning anything about servers, then. No good can come of it. You'll just end up as a sysadmin or somesuch. shudder
@MichaelHampton: I run most of my stuff on a little atom box running ubuntu server
@JourneymanGeek Ubuntu, eh?
my shit runs off of my iphone!
01:08
I put all my shit in the cloud. Now it runs itself!
Eewwbuntu? UUUUU. Wait, maybe I got that backwards a bit.
Ya, what i'm familiar with. Next build will be some RH varient, but that got put off cause of busyness and my needing to play musical chairs with hard drives
CentOS/RHLE is probably what you'll end up on if you do flunk out of school and end up turning to sysadmining for a living.
:)
Kidding... a little.
You'll know you've arrived when you think it's perfectly reasonable to have RAID 60 in your workstation. Complete with SAS backplanes and hot swap bays.
@HopelessN00b: flunked out of school twice ;p
@MichaelHampton: eh, I'm currently scraping together cash for my new personal desktop ;p
01:10
Shiiiit. You don't need to learn servers then, you're already doubly qualified for the wonderful world of sysadministration. :D
@JourneymanGeek I know the feeling of being short on cash.
I wouldn't think twice about having a rack at home when i eventually get a place of my own
@JourneymanGeek Oh yes, you will think twice when you find out how loud the servers are.
@MichaelHampton: Parentals give me an allowance (I'm grateful for it at my age). I wasn't allowed to save it or spend it on computer stuff until recently tho ;p
@MichaelHampton: Oh, i do know. I used to own a pair of handmedown servers but i got rid of them when i moved.
OTOH, i do want a proper switch for home networking and such
@MichaelHampton What else are you gonna do with your closets? Store 200 pairs of shoes in 'em? that said, a rack's several hunderd bucks you probably don't need to spend. Mine sit on the floor or shelves, and they do just fine.
01:12
@JourneymanGeek I kept it small... wife wasn't happy with larger server rack in the house
@HopelessN00b: lack rack is an option. Also, i can probably find a good deal on a second hand one ;p
@HopelessN00b My gf has claimed ALL the closets.
In any case, I got over "hosting at home" the first time I got slashdotted.
@MichaelHampton:Well, this is mainly a learning system
I just virtualize and keep it small... flickr.com/photos/ewwhite/7295339600/in/photostream
I have no illusions of the little cheap POJ handling even a small slashdotting
01:14
@MichaelHampton Classic mistake. "don't make me choose between you and my servers, honey..." :)
And I don't host anything external at home, because, well, that. Media server, VM "farm" for professional growth, a couple old servers I picked up for a few hundred bucks for the same reason, that's all.
especially on a cable connection
the best thing for an equipment rack is an equipment -room- (noise isolation... this, unfortunately, leads to power and cooling questions
@MichaelHampton: eh, I'd be jealous of my personal space since i have none ;p
Now I just gotta find a free SAN for backups.
@rnxrx I'm using a noise-reduction enclosure.
01:15
@rnxrx: oh, simple, just pump all the hot air where clothes are drying. My old military unit did that
Ah, that's the down side of working for myself. The flow of free stuff dried up.
had all the office airconditioner units in a room.. where soldiers hung laundry... dried shit fast.
my noise reduction enclosure is made of drywall... d'oh
@MichaelHampton: there's periodically sales here where companies dump project stuff. Need to keep an eye on the papers (which i don't), but its a good place to get reasonably priced hardware
I also know where the local second hand server stores are, though i've never enquired price ;p
@JourneymanGeek I'd have to go to Boston for that, and I avoid Taxachusetts like the plague.
01:17
@JourneymanGeek I keep debating trying to pipe the hot air somewhere, but most of the places I could pipe it would have odd effects. Putting lots of warm air (and positive pressure) into a crawlspace, for example, seems like a great way to grow mold and broadcast it everywhere.
@rnxrx: crawlspace bad
Who's looking for well-priced hardware?
I have good connections there.
you'd want to pump it somewhere you need heat ;p
@JourneymanGeek Hard to do when it's the middle of summer, unfortunately - but definitely a point of consideration in the winter
@rnxrx: I live in the tropics... ;p
Its always hot
01:19
@MichaelHampton Papers are usually a bad place... works better to get connected and find out when tech companies or datacenters are failing. Show up with a pocket full of $20's, and you can get a surprising amount. That, or eBay. Pick up a nice 3-4 year old server for a couple hundred.
@JourneymanGeek Been there, done it (FL) - AC should be considered a basic human right in some places
@MichaelHampton What are you looking for?
JesusChrist, I live in Ohio and I'd melt without AC. Unless you're above the Arctic Circle, Ac should be a human right everwhere.
@MichaelHampton Look for local auction houses - lots of the online and often dumping huge amounts of crap for almost nothing... Friend of mine picked up about $10K worth of servers for $15.00.
We lost power for 4+ days recently and it was well over 100F each day with humidity in the 80%++ range... wow
@ewwhite I"m not actually LOOKING for anything right now.
01:22
@rnxrx: Our former prime minister/guy who ran the country for years considers aircon the greatest human invention ;p
@JourneymanGeek Damn right... I have no idea why certain places were -EVER- settled before AC
@MichaelHampton Okay... just talkin' hardware.
When I was in Florida it was hot as hell, but at least there was a breeze... now I live where we have winters but the summers just stagnate. Feels much worse. This is why I am going to drop some serious $$$ on a big-assed generator to run everything indefinitely (or so).
@ewwhite You've got mostly HP stuff, right?
@rnxrx: Its hot enough here that my dog has on occation walked up to the airconditioner and demanded it be turned on
@ewwhite Don't suppose you've got a line on a previously loved SAN someone outgrew? That's about the only thing missing from my home collection... I'm thinking I might need to wait a few more years before those become common enough to hit my price range, though.
01:25
@HopelessN00b Yes.
I do.
@HopelessN00b Do you have a price range?
@JourneymanGeek THAT is my kind of dog... mine just radiates misery
@ewwhite You know how it is... sometimes you see something and then you realize you really wanted it after all.
I have servers to decommission soon.
@rnxrx: My dog is either grouchy or happy ;p
The one that I can't get rid of is an HP ProLiant DL580 G4.
01:26
@ewwhite It for personal use, so yeah, not gonna spend what I could buy a decent car with, but I'm flexible beyond that.
@HopelessN00b Do you need a proper SAN or just shared storage?
@MichaelHampton: eheh. My current, in progress computer build started cause I took one look at Jeff Atwood's Case, realised they had it in black, and wanted one.
Finding a cheap FC-attached disk array (well... one that takes SAS or SATA) is kind of a pain.. lots of crap Sun gear from 1999 with FCAL and FC disks, though!
@ewwhite Probably looking for a proper SAN. I've got a 12x2TB Dell NAS server, so it's not raw storage I'm looking for, but storage I can provision for VM OS disks, basically.
@HopelessN00b Sounds like what you have would be slow
01:29
Ooo. Cheap SAS RAID cards.
@JoelESalas It's basically a media server. Nearline-SAS, so it's not gonna win any IOPS contests, but it can stream HD video to every screen in my house, which is all I need.
@HopelessN00b Build a Nexenta box...
I've got a similar setup (12x2) that's been fine running NFS and iSCSI for VM's and various media
certainly plenty to light up a couple of GE's
@ewwhite Now there's an idea. The licenses for those are still pretty steep, though, aren't they?
I may have a line on a couple of 10GE switches, though...
01:32
@HopelessN00b Free for 18TB and less.
that's 18TB usable rather than 18T raw, right?
Oh, damn! Have I been misinformed... I may have just found my next project. Well, my girl may hate you for it, but I appreciate the help.
@HopelessN00b See my post on my home setup...
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A: Hosting a ZFS server as a virtual guest

ewwhiteI've built a number of these "all-in-one" ZFS storage setups. Initially inspired by the excellent posts at Ubiquitous Talk, my solution takes a slightly different approach to the hardware design, but yields the result of encapsulated virtualized ZFS storage. To answer your questions: Determini...

Up until about 25 minutes ago, I was ready to swear in a court of law that it is impossible to pack a mac mini back into the original box
@JoelESalas Of course it's possible. You just need the right tools.
01:38
@ewwhite Sweet. That's awesome... I'm gonna have to see if I can get that running on one of my previously loved Dells.
@HopelessN00b it runs well virtualized... so if you need the server to do OTHER things, it's a good solution. Plus ESXi being free...
Yup. Man did VMWare fuck that up. The free version being better than the lower-tier paid options, I mean. :?
@HopelessN00b Yeah but we pay for the low teired options because we want a central vSphere server.
Which means if you don't license DC you need to buy another Windows license as well
Which I'm sure all the Linux people love
@HopelessN00b Not too bad... Free is good. But $500-$600 for a license for three hosts and Virtual Center is a good deal. The jump to the next tier is not good.
@MarkHenderson You obviously haven't priced Red Hate lately.
01:43
@MichaelHampton As a matter of fact I have never priced redhat
@MarkHenderson Red Hat's pricing is why everybody runs CentOS.
That's sure true. Been looking over the licensing to set up BladeCenters in some of our smaller sites... VMWare priced their paid offerings right outta that market, so it's ESXi for us. Seems maybe they give away "too much" on the free version, at least to me.
@HopelessN00b They do it because chances are if you have a blade center, you want DRS
Woohoo, I just cast my first vote to close.
We did it almost just for DRS. This was on a Dell 1955 chassis, which had 6x 15-amp 240v power supplies and used about $1000 of electricity every month
01:44
@MichaelHampton How are you able to handle the excitement?!?
If DRS even saved us $300/month in power bills, it would pay for itself in 2-3 years
@ErikA I can barely contain myself!
Also when you're running blades, their internal storage sucks so you most likely have shared storage. And things like HA and vMotion also make the paid versions very attractive
In fact, in almost half our blades, we have no internal storage, just ESXi installed on RAID1'd SD cards in the back of the blade
@MarkHenderson That's the way to go. At $work[-1], we did the same. Unfortunately I don't get to play with VMware at the current gig.
Yeah, this is true, but it loses its value (at least for us) where the smaller sites run up to 6 VMs. If we had a real server refresh cycle, all those sites would be running with one server now, instead of some number of blades. Of course, our main site, with 2 nearly full BladeCenters runs one of the paid versions of ESX.
02:05
VMWare can be obscenely expensive...
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Q: Hard drive on server which hosts public_html folder is full. What to do?

user1564396The dedicated server is running Cent OS, has 2 x 1TB hard drives. One domain is hosted on this server. I've been uploading files to the public/html folder no problem, but I've reached the maximum capacity of the hard drive this folder sits on. What I want to do is to continue uploading files ont...

The last line is the important part.
Yeah, I was about to post that....
"Help, I filed up my public_html folder with 1TB of crap!!!" Whatever can be done??? :/
@MichaelHampton I started writing an answer to that, but then gave up, knowing it was going to be a fight to get the guy to understand.
I'm debating voting to close it already... but I think I'll have a cigarette instead.
@ErikA I'm just thinking of throwing him a one-liner ln
02:18
@MarkHenderson I was going the bind mount route, but yes, ln would work as well.
I couldn't answer, so I just left a comment. I hope it was nice enough.
Well, I COULD answer, but... what @ErikA said.
Done ;p
Feel free to hit me over the head if my answer is incorrect, i don't play with symlinks enough
It's @MarkHenderson you should hit over the head. Hard linking directories? How does that work? :)
@MichaelHampton Whatever, I hardly use Linux. Just fishing for some free rep
02:24
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, but you gotta cut back on the incomprehensible technobabble a little. Like, what's this "plan" shit you ramble on about? Never heard of that hardware.
Plus you think I actually tested that before I posted it?
@HopelessN00b: It would be polite to suggest beating sense into the OP with a copy of Limoncelli ;)
@MarkHenderson: mind if i gank parts of your answer? ;p
@JourneymanGeek Go for it
specifically the paths
Sure. I figured they were probably different in CentOS
02:26
@JourneymanGeek Before you get too far into editing, see my comment for your answer :)
Anyone know what browser LNX is as a part of a user-agent? (no, its not lynx)
Google is useless, it keeps pointing me to lynx
@MarkHenderson ANy more context than that?
@JourneymanGeek I helped your answer with a comment. You're welcome. :D
@MichaelHampton Nope! This is a log from Flash Media Server
LNX 10,3,200,10
@MarkHenderson Ah, That means it's Flash PLayer on Linux.
02:29
That would be their browser, followed by their flash player
Ahh
And 10.3.200.10 is the version. Somebody needs to update their Flash Player :)
I fired up a small RTMP repeater at streamtriplej.com for overseas people, a lot of them are from Japan. This guy is from Japan. Maybe they run old shit there.
@MichaelHampton: oh, I actually forgot that was a possibility ;)
@JourneymanGeek If I leased a server from some hosting company and it wasn't ALREADY installed with LVM, I would be on the phone with them instantly telling them to do it right this time.
Hmmph, LVM
02:34
Yeah yeah I know, ZFS
@ewwhite: Or zfs if he was running BSD :)
No, XFS... and real partitions.
What's a partition?
@MichaelHampton Well, but who knows what the SoW/contract said? Don't get me wrong, I would too, but I'm thinking somehow that maybe OP didn't ask for or stipulate much of anything from his webhost. So we got what he asked for - a mostly unconfigured piracy webserver. (Or whatever the hell he thinks he's doing with all that data in public_html)
which would still need planning ;p
02:36
@MarkHenderson You do know what Plan9 is, right? Just screwing around a bit?
Plan 9? Wasn't that an operating system from outer space?
@HopelessN00b I looked it up on wikipedia
But in 2002 I was still in highschool
Its an obscure OS , though wasn't there a new version? Inferno?
In Plan 9, all system interfaces, including those required for networking and the user interface, are represented through the file system rather than specialized interfaces - Gee, that sounds clever
02:40
yup, basically everything is a file taken to its logical extreme
Where have I seen that before?
Supposed to be the next UNIX, but never took off. I was in highschool too when it was first being released, but was unencumbered by schoolwork, and was able to find time to hack around a new and interesting OS.
lol
@HopelessN00b: From experience, there never seems to be time for that
/me hasn't played with new OSes in ages :/
Well, there was when I as young, but yeah, aging sure seems to take a lot of our time away, doesn't it? I blame needing a job to pay for things like food and shelter. :(
or old ones, I think i had a (pirated) OS/2 system running for about 20 minutes or so before something went wrong
lol. The job thing would probably
02:45
Why pirate OS/2 when you could have just stolen an ATM? :)
XD
or a french railway ticketing system!
I started installing XP at 2 pm. It's 10:45 and it finally finished installing the last of the updates.
@MichaelHampton: hm, pulling down updates from MS?
I tend to favour letting wsus offline updates handle that on new builds. Its nice to (semi) automate everything ;p
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, mostly updates. Four freaking reboots worth of updates.
If I had to deal with more than three or four Windows VMs, and only occasionally, I'd probably do something along those lines too.
@MichaelHampton: ya, that would fix that. Download the updated, automatic reboots and recalls, and'll probably get get done in 2 hours at most
@MichaelHampton: I at MOST deal with 2-3 rebuilds a year and it still saves me time
02:51
@JourneymanGeek Hm, I'll look at it next time I have to install Windoze. Which I don't really expect to be anytime soon.
Oh, XP, and you're not slipstreaming all the updates in? gasp Damn, that's the thing I miss most in Vista and 7.
@HopelessN00b: Eh, there's ways to do it. Its just not as easy as the nlite method ;)
@HopelessN00b The last time I had to install XP was,.. maybe 3 or 4 years ago?
Exactly. If it's gonna be a pain in the ass, it's hardly better than SCCM or disk images, etc, though. :(
It was so long ago I've forgotten how to get that damn search box off the taskbar.
02:54
lol
Don't answer that. I googled it.
A good chunk of my work systems run XP sadly
my own stuff's on 7. Next desktop will likely run 8 (even if i'm not sold on metro, i don't think its as catastrophic as valve and blizzard seem to think)
My own stuff's on Linux. :P
When questions go awry...
@MichaelHampton Most of mine's linux as well, but unfortunately all ham radio software that's worth a damn is windows only. :(
02:57
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Q: interrupt coalescing for high bandwidth packet capture?

Andy FI have an application which does packet capture from an ethernet card. Once in a while we see packets dropped (we suspect due to the buffer in the network card or kernel being overrun). I am trying to figure out if turning on interrupt coalescing will help or worsen the situation. On the one h...

I'll probably be on 7 for a good while, 'cept maybe my tablet... if I get a free copy of 8.
@MichaelHampton: not an option for me in school, until someone makes an office suite i can live with
@JourneymanGeek Learn LaTeX!
@ErikA: Well, the main things i miss from MS Office are stuff like automatic citations, and that the layout for OO/LO writer is a bit wierd - Abiword does it better
Automatic citations are the killer tho, my school is uberstrict about them on reports
One of my college profs offered extra credit if we would submit assignments and papers as LaTeX documents. I decided it was worth learning for that. :)
03:00
If mine would i would ;p
@JourneymanGeek That sucks. They don't let you get away with "thought of it while doing drugs" as a citation? What the hell kind of party school is that?
Mine's like 'YOU MUST USE VMWARE AND SUBMIT STUFF AS A SINGLE WORD DOCUMENT!'
@HopelessN00b: the aussies are oddly anal about stuff like that
its wierd ;p
OTOH, they've passed me on every module i have taken so far, so i'll give them a pass
@JourneymanGeek We're anal about what?
(is currently doing a degree at a sort of satillite campus with murdoch)
@MarkHenderson: Plagurism and citations ;p
@JourneymanGeek Oh yeah. My wifes best friend got kicked out of her degree for plagarism. No warnings, no nothing
03:03
But... but... it's Creative Commons!
Oh, are they anal about other things too?

Like should I look into finding an Aussie girlfriend, perhaps? :D
@MarkHenderson: Oh, not so bad for us, we just had half the class docked 2 marks, and were asked to redo their assignments.
(out of 30... considering some of these guys handed in their work late...)
@HopelessN00b Ask @WesleyDavid - he seems to have a thing for Aussie girls
Yeah, I'm so glad I'm outta school. Fuck that shit. In the real world, if it's late, you just blame it on the mainframe team, or the user being stupid, or the contractor, or the OEM and get about to finishing it before anyone can verify it. :D Marks off, pfft.
One of my stand-out memories of uni was when the lecturer was handing back assignments. I thought that my assignment was shit. Like really shit. So i was expecting a pretty rubbish score. And then she said "If your student number is S00032151, congratulations, you came first". Which was me. I wasn't even listening fully. It was then that I knew that if my shit assignment came first, my classmates were dumbfucks and Uni was going to be pretty damn easy
@HopelessN00b Damn straight
Turns out 50% of the people in our course were only in it becaus ehtey didn't get the marks to get into a MBA, and then they transferred after 1st year
03:09
@MarkHenderson I have similar memories from the rare occasions I showed up to class. Looking back on it, I find it a little surprising I graduated all for how infrequently I showed up, and how often I was drunk when I did.
'Course that is something I can't get away with out in the real world. sigh "But really, I route better after a few beers..."
I was never drunk. Catholic uni, so no on-campus bar. But I started skipping classes pretty often. But my lecturers loved me. In fact one day I totally forgot we had an assessment worth 20% so I just skipped the class. The next class the lecturer was so upset with me that she wrote me a fake sick note just so I could sit the assessment a week late.
I suspect that she was relying on my mark to bump up her average
Lucky you. Most of my CS profs didn't like me too much. I only ever caught breaks in my secondary major and non-major related courses. I think my core CS GPA ended up being 2.something. Excuse me for not giving a crap abut bubblesort, I guess.
Not that it matters I guess. A few years out, and I can't remember the last time anyone even asked about my GPA, let alone cared.
Exactly
Your degree only gets you your first job
If that. Either way, after that, it's all who you know and who you impress.
Crap, I'm not done with that XP install after all. I forgot to get rid of IE!
03:19
If I'm not mistaken, rd /s /q C:\windows will kill it. Among other things.
I prefer a, uh, less invasive option.
Well, to each his own. I find the system's stability is increased manyfold by removing the OS directory.
@HopelessN00b We don't HAVE "Program Files (x86)" on our Linux boxes.
@HopelessN00b Sure, if you consider 100% down to be stable. Which, technically, I suppose it is...
oh, well fuck me running. Thanks. I'll just change that to a bash "script."
Why am I still staring at my own screenshot?
03:31
Oh, pffft. It's just firefox url in bash. whadda n00b.
See, we have it easy. Don't tell the boss.
Never. If I told him that, he might find out that he could mostly replace me with a simple script and a little Google-fu. Gotta think that would be bad for me, long-term.
Yay, I get fucked over on Steam again! Borderlands 2: $AU69.99 or £29.99 == $AU47
That reminds me of how much I preferred gaming before it was all FPSes. Gimmie some good ol' FO2 anyday. :(
03:46
I was playing Assassins Creed a while back, that wasn't an FPS
Although it was the 1500's equivalent
@MarkHenderson AUSSIE GIRLS! AUSSIE GIRLS! OY OY OY!!
@WesleyDavid Heyyy you're here. Haven't seen much of you lately
Been getting a life?
I'm jelous
A whatfe?
Hullo Gents and Cats.
04:09
@HopelessN00b: God, i miss adventure games, and good fighter sims, and space sims and traditional RTSes... and.. ;p
though borderlands is good fun
@MarkHenderson: You could do what some people do and get someone to buy it for you then pay them back, or use a VPS to pretend to be american ;p
@JourneymanGeek I actually have an American steam account that I use for purchasing and gifting to myself. My CC doesn't seem to ahve any geo-validation on it, and I signed up over Tor to get me an American IP
But its just such a hassle
I think my username is also "myaccoutnforpurchasingfromoverseassoidontgetrippedoff". Or somethign
lol
Singapore is using US pricing thankfully, and since its software, i don't get reamed on shipping ;p
You get the US pricing? Lucky you
We have to pay in USD but we get anally raped on pricing
@MarkHenderson Picked up a client with a fast deadline. =)
And still have to fill in time here and there for a steady client.
04:25
Fair enough. I could never stay mad at you for long anyway
@MarkHenderson :-*
Great, Im trying to buy VMWare Fusion and it keeps dumping me back on their generic products page. It's like they don't want my money.
Can someone from the US do me a huge favour and tell me how much vmware fusion costs in $US? vmware.com/vmwarestore
Wondering if I should bother mucking around with Tor to purchase it with US currency
04:46
$49.99
Same price
Not worth it then
thanks :)
@MarkHenderson Give VirtualBox a whirl
I meant it's not worth the effort of buying from the US ;) I'm still going to give it a whirl
Oh I see
I really realllllly want Unity
So my wife can use it

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