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07:39
@Jacob: see my response to your chat message in Root Access on SU
hope that clarifies some things - :) sorry about that!
08:34
so, anyone here have their ISC-DHCPD foo in order?
:)
 
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09:47
morning all
10:03
mornin'
Please don't beat me up for this but, does anyone know the minimal diskspace required (on the system drive) to upgrade an exchange 2007 SP1 to SP2?
not my bag sorry
114 MB seems not sufficient :-/
10:22
I would imagine not
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Q: The 14th day anonymous DDOS attack Pandawill.com

yeoThe 14th day that DDOS anonymous attack www.Pandawill.com, Two weeks attacked twice by DDOS Hacker but still go down..IT groups are installing hardware firewall and Load Balancing now, anyone have good points??.

so tempted to answer back with "clearly not you"
10:56
See if you agree with my comment
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Q: Experience of replacing fans in Dell Poweredge 1850

Chris PontHi, I've recently aquired a Dell Poweredge 1850 (1U rackmount server). Spec wise, it's great for what I need it for (running VMWare with a few VMs, pfSense firewall etc). The problem is it's not going to sit in a server room / data centre and the fans in it are massively noisy! I can handle a b...

'morning, btw!
@coredump ack
We had an 1850 in the building room for a few days. Cleaning personal moved on of the tables a little bit nearer to the heating - and there you go: fans sound like a messerschmidt.
all dell machines are like that.
when they turn on, the sound is ridiculous, then it goes down during operation, unless your room is too hot.
TBH I am having a HVAC problem right now and I can hear my 12 R900's screaming on the server room.
They some time ago had thos thin tower servers. maybe 1,5 he thick.
They are 4 meters away from me, with a door, and I can still hear them
So going to lunch *yummy
11:03
I just arrived at work :P
Timezones rock ^^
I love how with HP blades once they get very hot the fans actually go ultrasonic - they're super loud then...nothing... apparently the younger guys can still hear them but it's great for me
howcome your blades get so hot? :o
11:24
not many do to be honest but we have to stress test them every so often, plus we have some enclosures filled with max-CPU/max-mem BL2x220c's (i.e. 32 servers, 64 cpus, 384 cores, 768 threads, 3TB mem) for video encoding reasons - and they get quite hot with little provocation
Hello, good {Time_Of_Day}
11:53
Good day folks
@ITHedgeHog good {Time_Of_Day} to you
@pacey I reckon you'll need to talk to your vendor to get a bigger disk. Might wanna go to walgreen's first and get a jar of vaseline ;)
12:08
I might overcome this by resizing partitions, but I have a bad feeling doing this on the PDC or am I wrong?
@pacey Scary territory.
@pacey How much space is taken up by NTUninstall folders in the Windows folder?
I hope you've got a backup before you start.
@TomOConnor I will definitively create at least two backups before I start :)
@MatthewSteeples let me check
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A: Experience of replacing fans in Dell Poweredge 1850

JacobI am going to add on to what some other people have said. First Rackmounts are designed to be in a DC where sound is irrelevant. That also means that they are designed to have an ambient temp ~65-70F, your room you have it in is most likely warmer so it has to move more air to pull the heat off. ...

how do youguys like my text wall?
12:11
ah well at least 374MB
woot
@Jacob, @RobertMoir has the current record on long posts ;)
Or possibly Evan's IP Addressing for Noobs
@TomOConnor I've seen it :)
You could use something like Windirstat (windirstat.info) to find out where the space has gone
I need to write another blogpost this week.
@TomOConnor You should :P
12:13
:)
I think you saved my live, or at least my hair from getting even more grey :)
MySQL scaling, and RW Splitting; this week.
There's a separate folder with IE7 updates
which for himself takes up roughly 1GB
@TomOConnor 'sharding'?
I ran Windirstat on one of my windows servers, and realised that Windows Server Backup had snaffled 1.8TB of disk space.
12:14
@pacey why would a browser update take 1G?
@coredump no, not so much.
@coredump our database at work doesn't need sharding so much.
give me a moment to take a screenshot :)
I'd like to develop a way to drop a scalable mysql architecture into an existing infrastructure with no requirement to modify the codebase.
nearly got it, too.
@pacey You got your mom to do it?
your link is dead @pacey
@studiohack WFM
12:17
Link works here. Can see it and that's just crazy!
@pacey clearly drop IE and use FireFox or Chrome :)
@TomOConnor using replication? Like, read from the slave, write on the master?
@pacey: doesn't work in FF can't find server at imagur
@studiohack Yep.
@Jacob problem is that Windows will still want to update it
12:18
it's no problem @TomOConnor, @pacey
lol at @pacey screenshot. WTF that's a lot of fixes...
@studiohack no, i'm aware of that.
@MatthewSteeples you can unistall it :)
oh okay @TomOConnor, wasn't sure what you meant lol
I never use IE
@Jacob Some things subtly break if you do that.
Right.
12:19
tested IE9 Beta to see it, but that's it
To do some real work :3
ttyl lads
@TomOConnor bah its still worth it :)
@studiohack I use firefox here two and it's working fine
@Jacob Didn't think you could in Server 2003. Thought upgrading to 8 would be the best bit (especially for the bits and pieces of the OS that depend on an IE engine)
see ya @TomOConnor
12:19
@studiohack t works iin chrome 3
blah, something is wrong with me then. :(
@pacey you've had another reply to your question about moving the swap file. That's also worth doing if you don't have enough space yet.
@MatthewSteeples I dropped the hard (ass!) admin "feature" and installed GC chrome for the few web updates I have to get
I've been reading it just that moment.
@Jacob Don't get me wrong, I'm not endorsing IE usage :P
12:22
@MatthewSteeples Netscape > IE 9 :)
ah 777 Rep Bungie be so proud
ah these are all very good hints. TYA in advance for pointing me on those (now that I think about pretty obvious) points.
It will get hard to mark one answer as the right one
@pacey close your eyes and click randomly
:)
I think I'll make a ranking which tip brought the most space :)
@pacey Bailing of IE will so does this mean I win? :)
there's not many tools I <3 like strace
12:33
Halp, its budget time >.<
@ITHedgeHog open source> paid?
does anyone here know some kind of dhcp client test program? Something that I could run locally on a linux server with the ability to set the router src ip (to simulate dhcp relay)
12:48
Thank you all, I've already suspected some of these items could be deleted, but never was sure enough to really do so. So all and everything brought us to 5,3GB.
This feels much safer now
@pacey Hopefully 5gb should be enough :P
13:06
So I've read up on that topic just a little bit and if I get it correctly I'm good to go. I've read on technet something about 1,2 GB for the Exchange Installation + 200 MB on the Systemdrive.
@pacey Nice
If you're ever to Germany step buy and we'll get some cake :)
13:28
if [ $1"x" == "/etc/dhcp/dhcpd.masterx" ]
I dont get this.. why the x?
stupid bash scripting :(
@pauska My understanding is that it's so you don't end up with awkward comparisons due to unfilled variables.
I've seen it a lot in, particularly, vendor provided scripts.
yeah, that you dont get a bash error if $1 is empty
I just cant figure out the placement.. shouldnt it be x$1?
That's what I've usually seen, but hey, whatever.
Logically it shouldn't matter.
Wouldn't if be easier to just check in the first place? If $1 == "" then error...
@ChrisS I think it's so you don't get any errors, it will just fail silently
13:38
yeah, I have to get it to fail silently and not execute
@pacey I take German, cool language
I've only ever really seen that syntax used when the scripts are damn near proper application size. So I suppose, at that point, I can believe that checking the variables directly each time could get rather onerous.
Should just need the variable in quotes. I agree that bash scripting can be several kinds of ugly.
@packs: do you have any suggestions on how I can test this? ie, feed the script with the correct variable to make it match
echo correct value | script.sh ?
@MatthewSteeples Seems like an odd thing to do... but again; what's wrong with 'if $1 != "" then do_whatever'?
13:42
@pauska You should be able to do something like: export $VAR=stuff script.sh
It's a heck of a lot more readable too...
But, depending on how they fill the variables, it may get reset somewhere along the way.
@packs: bash wont allow me to set $1.. but I'll just change it temporarily
To set $1? Isn't that the first argument of the script?
so... script.sh yourargumenthere
@ChrisS Don't know, I've never written bash scripts myself so I can't comment on why you'd do it that why, but that seems to be the reason. There doesn't seem to be a "right" way to do it
13:43
$0 is the name of the script $1 it's first argument
@pauska So does the script take $1 and place it into another variable somewhere during execution?
oh
@packs: yeah, it reads from the calling program
if the calling programs first argument is /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.master then do blah
@Jacob Open Source still costs money, hardware isn't free and neither is my time :)
In that case you should just be able to call the script normally then. script.sh /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.master
Unless I'm missing something crucial here. Which is entirely possible.
My bouncing little plague carrier has nearly rendered my brain inoperable :)
@ITHedgeHog True my time is dam near free though :)
13:47
enjoy it while you can say that
@Chopper3 as in price wise:P but its better than staying here and answering questions all the time :)
@packs yeah, this is what I'm trying to do.. seems like it wont take the argument
@Chopper3 No kidding. When I think back before reproduction occurred, it's hard to believe exactly how much time I thoroughly wasted, and how much I complained about not having enough free time.
@pauska Interesting. What you could do is edit the script and add a couple of debugging options.
At the top of the script you can add 'set -x' to print out everything as it gets executed, or 'set -e' to halt execution on the first error.
@Jacob it's just one of those things you won't learn until it's too late - basically in order to make a few bucks you need the experience and skills, you can then spend that money - great - except the very act of gaining that experience and skills takes a lot out of you, as does maintaining those skills - so when you do have the money you don't have the time or energy to really make use of it.
As the saying goes youth is wasted on the young
@Chopper3 Cookies are also wasted on the young.
13:53
@Chopper3 the ironies of the life
@packs correction chocolate is :) taking all my will power to resist :)
@packs: Could I invite you to a separate room so the rest of the people here dont kill me?
@pauska lol I'd be scared
@Chopper3 I think that depends entirely on how many stupid things you did while you were/are young. =)
@pauska Sure, np
@ChrisS lots and still counting
13:57
@ChrisS many, many
I just lost 2 rep points out of nowhere weird
Finish it all up with enough controlled substances, and you won't remember the stupid things you did.
@Jacob They're usually downvotes. Think that's what they're worth now
@Jacob If you look after the tens of thousands the thousands look after themselves
someone DV'd you on this; serverfault.com/questions/235209/…
@Chopper3 why :(
13:59
original poster seems to be a bit needy/whiney - ignore him
right, lunch - brb
later
Do any of you often use the local facilities of syslog for administrative needs? Such as logging smaller scripts and crons, etc.
@Cakemox Yes. If it's my own work, I'll usually pick one of the locals. I also use them for hardware firewalls.
ahem..
help use daemon incron
I'm trying to use a daemon called incron
ok, that didnt work here
SU has a meme that pops up the paper clip helper from office xp
@pauska @packs Sorry to ressurect the conversation, but the "$1x" thing is a portable way to check for empty strings. You can use "" or [ -z $string] but it will not work on all shells/versions.
@pauska and $1x is just simple interpolation with the first argument, but it was already said.
14:13
@packs Same here, if it fits in one of them that's where I log to. If I'm going to dump a ton of log data, especially for a one time ting, I'll just put it to it's own file.
@ITHedgeHog OpenSource costs money, but I prefer money being spent on training persons than buying licenses :)
@ChrisS I actually like the local0-7 because it gives me 8 easy to understand destinations so that I can logically group the firewalls.
14:27
Heres a image to make everyones day better :)
I know this is sad but I've been at all of the base-2 numbers up to and including 16384 in the past and I'm about to get to 32768 (I'll have to drop a downvote on some poor schmuck to get it exact) but I just had to mention it :)
@Chopper3 nyerd
Nothing quite like raising the forest functional level at 9:30am
on a monday
@Chopper3 not me :( I just want to make to 1 K :)
Anyone good with linux tcp networking and sockets?
broad, I know
14:32
@Sagar Sure,whats up?
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Q: Is it dangerous to change the value of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_tw_reuse?

SagarWe have a couple of production systems that were recently converted into virtual machines. There is an application of ours that frequently accesses a MySQL database, and for each query it creates a connection, queries, and disconnects that connection. It is not the appropriate way to query (I kn...

please?
Anyone here ever take classes toward their degree after they were already in the field?
@MarkM In a manner of speaking. I finished my coursework and have been 'working' on my thesis while being in the field. I've sat in on a few classes during that time, but not as an enrolled student.
One of these days I'll go back to school!
I'm working toward my undergraduate degree now after being in the field for about 5 years now and it's so bad.
14:44
@MarkM which part is bad?
I have a professor trying to teach "Operating system architecture" and he keeps using Apt and Aptitude interchangeably and trying to explain how to use it on redhat
he's just incredibly out of touch and has no idea what he's rambling about
Oh, that's nasty.
it's just frustrating having to sit through lectures from people that haven't had a hands-on job in a decade
You'll find an academic disconnect from reality in any field.
yeah
14:45
I'm surprised to hear discussion on package managers in an OS course.
like i said, it's really bad
Academics enjoy a similar shock when they enter the corporate world, I've found.
he made mention of BIOS on Apple computers.
I wanted to drop the course then, but it's only offered every 2 years at night
That's all I'll say about that. I just needed to bitch about it to someone that would understand my apt/aptitude, deb/rpm pain
When i was finishing up school in 2000, we were learning how to install Win95 over a LAN, and all about SIMMS
Never even touched on Win2K
@MarkM Are you using the dinosaur book?
14:49
@packs no book. Even an ancient Linux book would have this guy pointed in a better direction
he once mumbled that the limitation of a 32-bit OS is that it can only support 32 threads
yeah
that said when I was at college in the mid-80's they actually covered paper-tape readers
Is this a CS program?
it's CSIT
which is a bastardization of IT and CS
14:50
@MarkM I'll come teach :) I have to be better than that guy
@Jacob heh, believe me, when this is over and I have my masters a few years after I plan on winning professor of the year here
We have a similar program here called ITS. It started out as telecom, but has turned into a more practical IT like program, which is nice.
I can do it by not teaching at all
@packs that's what this is supposed to be, but most of the professors are CS professors, and the ones that aren't are just awful. So it would be more beneficial to just have a vanilla CS program instead
I feel really bad for the students in the class that don't know better. At least I know to tune him out.
@MarkM Oh, so you don't have a separate CS program as well?
That explains how you've taking OS Architecture and still talking about package managers.
@packs no, there is. I just meant that it would be more beneficial to do away with the CSIT stuff
14:53
We use a lot of Indian subcontractors who can only stay in the UK for 2 years at a time, so each time we get a new bunch over I genuinely enjoy spending 2-3 days with them all whiteboarding everything we do, how and why - it's very fulfilling I find - also useful for spotting those that'll be going home much sooner that the rest :)
@MarkM Until I got here, I would have agreed with that. I think our guys actually figured out the right way to do it.
@packs do you mind if I ask where "here" is?
The CS and ITS do have some cross-listed courses, but only 1 or 2, and they're at the 400/500 level. Otherwise they actually have separated pretty wel.
@MarkM Ohio University
nice
Oh glorious glorious AD recycle bin. How I've longed for you.
whats the policy on ssl cert questions?
14:59
@coredump Lol, we don't have to worry - there is no training budget right now whether we buy licenses or not ;)
@Jacob Depends on the question I think, since Sys Admins are usually the ones installing/issuing them
nvm chopper got it
looked like a shopping question
forgot the say that bit :)
Standalone Sysadmin
NYC Puppet group (re)starting
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/standalone-sysadmin/rWoU/~3/EdgHNGcf4xA/
15:27
@MarkM I know a teacher that explained that zombie processes where those that stayed running even after a reboot. :O
@coredump hahahah
The biggest problem with IT here in Brazil is that universities are teaching Windows and Java, not Operating Systems and Programming
Hahaha, awesome. "Urrrhhghhghhhhhh..CPUssssssssssss..."
People graduate and have no idea of the basic programming stuff, they only know how to use a tool to generate stuff
We get a few people like that. They are shoehorned into one language and can't escape :-/
I call them Americans. :D
Get it? One language? Ha, ha!
15:38
boo
Unfair generalization. I can order a cheeseburger in Spanish.
And ask where the bathroom is.
That's basically fluent.
That's about as much Spanish as I can remember. Except s/cheeseburger/beer/
I speak enough spanish to get a hotel room, a meal, a cab and my face slapped.
that's definitely "fluent" :)
@voretaq7 You need to speak the language to get slapped?
I only speak my mother language and engrish
15:41
No
but it does speed things up.
@coredump Same here.
@packs was thinking the same thing, I normally get slapped just by looking...
@MarkM I am in school for my Masters in CS and I see the same problem as you. Teachers are very out of touch with current events in computing... although I do hear them lament that the "Technology" of computers is not the same as the "Science" of them. The ITS/CS split.
Americans know these generalizations... and sometimes take advantage of them... I know more Spanish than I'd let on while I'm in Mexico. It's probably the same case with the natives around me.
that said IT/technology etc is a HUGE subject, nobody can cover everything and it would also be unreasonable for them to be right up to date with everything too - you should expect them to be 2-4 years out of date, no more than that though, that would just be laziness
15:50
@DaveDrager Yeah, except that it's really an excuse for them to be lazy. Once you have tenure, you're invincible. Tenure is OK in something like Math where it doesn't change ever, except in the highest level. In something like IT, what you knew 10 years ago is worthless.
@DaveDrager / @packs - leaving aside this professor's other obviously-unqualified-to-teach-OS-architecture statements, IDK why he's even mentioning apt/aptitude/package management...
I could see aptitude being relevant in an ITS course but not a CS course.
Working in University IT means I have zilch to do with CompSci. There is a firewall there that is rigorously manned on the other side. I know their IT people, and can occasionally get them to talk to me, but that's about it.
@MarkM In IT that's true. In CS it's not quite the same -- the basics of architecture haven't changed much in 50+ years, and doing complexity analysis is the same as it's always been :)
In my last CS course, "Foundations of Computer Science" we used a book from the 80s. I'm not sure if it is the best choice or not, but we were learning about stuff probably invented in the 50s/60s, things like Turing machines.
15:54
Right. CS isn't so much about technology, as it is about computation in a way that computers implement.
@DaveDrager yup - stuff like that & discrete math isn't changing.
Its actually kind of cool designing a little computer on paper.
I had the Turing Machines m'self in the early 90's.
Now to use a 1980s book on IT security... THAT would be bad.
Discrete math is going to be my downfall. I need to start studying it independently so that I don't fail out of my algorithms course next semester.
15:56
@voretaq7 yeah, the point of the program that started this discussion is hands-on style IT relevant knowledge. It was an offshoot of the CS program meant to give people a leg up that wanted to get into systems administration.
unfortunately, they hire dumbasses
Because EVERYONE wants a lego turing machine
@voretaq7 A concept book, sure, why not?
@packs a lot of the concepts have changed -- or more accurately a lot of them have been extended & new ones have been added
@DaveDrager I just checked out your SF profile. That's funny that you are from West Chester. I live in KoP and work in Philly.
15:57
Oh where are you going to school?
@MarkM I teach that course every few years at my alma mater. The reason they keep asking me to do it is because I'm out in the real world :)
Parallel computing has been very exciting to watch over the last decade and a half.
Heh, I'd rather not say because I work there too and I've said some bad stuff in here about it :)
I don't want Google to crawl it, but I can say it's private, catholic, north philly, not temple
that should narrow it down to 1 school haha
Yeah, I would like to take a course on Hadoop. Now that would be fun.
@MarkM And you're safe until Google acquires IBM's Watson technology
15:59
Yeah I get your drift :)
Heh, I don't want the chatlog to show up if someone googles "CSIT <university name>"
Mark, I'll probably be making some employment changes here soon and will be in Philly as well. I work in West Chester at the moment, so you can guess my University.
@DaveDrager My buddy graduated from there last year for marketing
@DaveDrager The commute sucks. Really bad
Let's just say they are known for their teaching school, not for comp sci :)
heh
16:01
Do you take the train in, or drive?
I drive. I should probably take a train, but I'd have to take a regional to 30th st station and then catch something on the broad st line. It would end up being a beast of a trip either way.
At least this way I get to make use of my parking permit heh
Cool. As long as things fall into place like I think they will, I'm hoping to get a sysadmin group in the Philly area together for meetings similar to what they are doing in NYC. So hopefully you can join.
@DaveDrager yeah definitely
Ok off to the races... later all
see ya
16:15
Sysadmin group like LOPSA?
@coredump I'm a member.
@sysadmin1138 yeah me too. Must read and log in more to the site tho. Same with ACM
I'm on the discuss mailing list, which is interestingly busy at times. It was booming up until last week when it has tapered off to more normal levels.
I'm 90% certain I'll be going to that.
I am trying to find a good IT event to go this year. I can make 2 trips to conventions outside my country so I am aiming for DebConf and something else I find on the way. Lopsa calendar helps with that.
I'll be self-financing the above trip. This only works since the event is 90 minutes from my house.
16:26
I'm trying to dig the money for BSDCan out of my budget this year; will be going tie the ITA Spring Conference too (probably their Fall conference as well, we'll see).
Never heard of lopsa before
@Chopper3: Phil, taken any look at the EMC VNX series?
No, not an EMC buyer at all sorry
I can look now, was there a question in particular you had?
@Chopper3 I'm not at all surprised.
@sysadmin1138 eh?
16:28
There are so many "under the radar" associations like that; it's hard to find them sometimes.
Anybody know if there's some website somewhere that keeps track of organizations like that?! Seems like there would be.
Yeah I found LOPSA searching for SAGE actually
@Chopper3 No, I dont have any questions per say, I'd just like to hear what the SAN seniors have to say about it
@pauska I have 3 EMC here but none of the VNX series
@pauska ha, wouldn't call myself that! they look ok from their website - how they cost/build/configure/perform is harder to grasp
@pauska They are all CLARiON
16:30
@coredump: Clarion + celerra combined from what I've understood?
@Chopper3 Well, I'm told that these are similar to equallogic, you get all features with every box
It's actually hard to find good blog posts about it, cause every single post with comments enabled have a hitler army of emc/netapp employees bashing at each other
like that one..
do these VNX/VNXe's have the per/TB licencing that a lot of their other stuff does? I won't buy anything with that kind of licencing, I would rather pay a larger one-off fee for unlimited LTU that by volume - had that argument with 3Par and won, wouldn't have it with anyone else either
Sam
Sam
oh dear:
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Q: Windows NT to Windows 2000

user67714Windows NT to 2000 Active Directory HELP!! I had a windows NT machine as our PDC, I did the following steps and I screwed up the entire system. Please help. System A, WinNT was PDC I created another system (B) winnt, made it BDC, synchronized it with PDC and then promoted it to PDC I installed...

Well all I can say is that if I had to choose from a literally unknown EMC product and ANY netapp box at the same price/GB I'd go with EMC every time - I fricking HATE netapps
mfinni's comment on that question is spot on
I dont have the details yet, but afaik there is no licensing per TB
the problem with looking at any of this kit is that you need to know the costs - not just the day one costs but the support/licence/expansion/add-ins costs - certainly there's nothing leaping out of their site that worries me
16:37
@Sam sucks for that guy
I mean it's all SAS, dual controllers, all the right ports/protocols, I know their software's not too complex (if wildchild can use it it's got to be easy right ;))
what I don't understand is why he's going from a 15 year old OS to an 11 year old OS
@Chopper3: Hahaha
I'm always unsure about whether I want to join one of the sysadmin organisations. I just feel that they, like certifications, tend to attract a certain class of systems administrator that I don't particularly want to associate myself with. Just my opinion, but any respecting mid-level *nix sysadmin advertising their Network+ certification on their resume is below any similarly educated and experienced one without it.
@Scrivener so, you're saying that in your opinion if two candidates are completely equal, you'd prefer the one without a relevent certification?
Honestly, yes. For the low-level certifications, anyway. I might make an exception for, say, RHEL or RHCSS or similar, but my experience has been that administrators who either do not possess the certification or do not advertise it are much better at their job.
16:41
@Scrivener If you mean that they put their certs up there like a ticket for a free job, yeah. If it's mentioned near the end as an aside to their experience and accomplishments, not with you at all. The low level ones, like A+, yeah I agree...
@pauska yeah, we have 1 celerra and 1 centera too.
I was once cornered at a trade show by a senior member of the British Computer Society who regaled me with tales of the benefits of being a BCS member - when my patience ran dry with him I simply said "You should spend more time making money for yourself and/or your customers than boring me" - he never asked again
@pauska but our representative is soo bad that we vowed never again to buy EMC
Whoops, those darned hidden stars.
@ChrisS Example: I had a Sr. Sysadmin candidate last week, ten years of experience as a lead sysadmin... and advertised his Network+ certification on his resume.
16:43
I do agree, the associations tend to have a full mix of IT "Professionals", but I don't think many people would heavily associate them with you if you both belonged to the same association.... But also something that doesn't really belong on a resume.
At that point, my opinion of you drops if you have it on there.
Sam
Sam
@Scrivener I have my certs on my CV, I don't wave them in peoples faces and proclaim that they make me a better sysadmin, I rely on my experience to show that, but If I've achieved something, it's going on my CV
@Chopper3 I am a member of ACM and it's pretty cool. Of course is mostly that part of CS that you take some time to understand but it's cool
@Scrivener Yeah, that's a red flag. I only put my highest (and newest) level certs on my resume, and it's 1 line at the very bottom.
Well, that's the other half of the coin. Is (Network|A|etc)\+ actually an achievement.
For a helpdesk person, perhaps, but for a sysadmin with any kind of experience? Mmmm.
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@Scrivener Yes, when you're in high school and first learning about that stuff.
Good to know that thing about certs on CVs...
@pauska Less impressed by the VNXe's to be honest
not that I have many
@ChrisS: Right. But that's different. I'm not talking about getting hired at Best Buy, I'm talking about working as a sysadmin.
Sam
Sam
well true, I wouldn't rave about the fact that I have A+/N+ now, but at the beggining of my career I did
16:47
I tried to get an A+, but bought the book, read it and thought, this is so below me.
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A+ and similar are so down there that perhaps my point is being obscured by using them in the example. How about RHCT as a better example.
I didn't even bother with LPIC
come to think of it
i do have an expired CCNA tho
Sam
Sam
A+ is not particularly taxing, and last time I looked, way out of date, but when I did it many years ago someone was paying me to do so and it didn't take very long!
but enough practical experience to get by
I'm an external design consultant, nobody hires me for my certifications (most hire me because they know of me already), but I do put them down, if only to show I'm not resting on my laurels
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As a hiring manager, I put a lot more stock in /doing/ something vs getting a certification about it. But that's just my own personal bias, probably.
I have a RedHat 6.1 certificate! I figure when RHEL hits 6.1 it'll be valid again, right?
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@Sam Its really out I was studying NT era stuff
People here sometimes ask why I don't have a LPIC
Sam
Sam
I don't think anybody should really be getting hired because they have certificates (except maybe at a very low level), it should be on your experience and what you have demonstrated that you can do. But certs do have some value, I have to go and visit a lot of IT managers and PM's, they seem to trust my opinion more because I have certs. Not saying it's right, but that's the way it is.
But LPIC 1 was so boring I quit worrying
16:54
btw hey everyone
@Cakemox funniest thing I've read all day :)
@TomOConnor I got a A+ book and thought it was rather simple.
:)
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I wish I could find a sysadmin job to work remote or to just take me to other country. I am kinda bored of working to the government
16:59
@coredump I'd be happy with the remote job part :)

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