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Journeyman Geek

7:59 AM

@JennyD @Ward Its worth remembering that SU's got a much broader audience

when with that though, Its pretty hard keeping people engaged over a period of time

I'd be on SF more if my job was more interesting through

and, well SU's got a fairly active community core - SF lost most of that to the slack group and no one really stepped up to replace that

And that's something that is kinda...

I don't think anyone really knows what to do with a bunch of folks going "yer doing it wrong", and community building seems to be one of those "I have no idea how any of this works" things.

1 hour later…

9:25 AM

@JourneymanGeek The move to slack and the disengagement are likely unrelated. There were a number of people who only used chat and similarly many active contributors never used chat. They are no longer seen on the main site either.

@JourneymanGeek it seems people eventually figured it out and stopped contributing.

Journeyman Geek

@Iain well, I kinda help with SU...

Its a great community. Its close knit. I'm apparently a lynchpin. I HAVE NO CLUE how any of it happened

I mean, SO corp did basically kinda lost the trail a few times

I actually feel they are

the "core" of a healthy community is surprisingly small

And I have a bias here (being a very loud voice for chat mattering) but quite a lot of chat active folk kinda are worth their weight in bitcoin (on a good day ;) )

3 hours later…

12:50 PM

I can't relate for the effect the move to slack had, but I learnt last year about the slack channel by error while searching in the chat log. why it's not in the chatroom description that it simply exist bug me a bit.

Journeyman Geek

@yagmoth555 cause it was kinda invitish

also putting a pointer to another channel elsewhere is bad etiquette ;p

1 hour later…

2:07 PM

@JourneymanGeek says who ?

@JourneymanGeek Yes. The SF core was tiny now it's pretty much non existent. There will always be more questioners that answerers but now there are so too people answering questions and :: tmbleweed ::

@JennyD You should take a look at the DevOPs site. <4 questions/day most of which could be answered on SO, SF or SU easily.

Journeyman Geek

@Iain I can't remember the exact source - but you need something tiny like... 12-15 core users...

and the rest kinda falls into place

@Iain In general

"Hey, this place sucks, you should go to the other place" just...

@JourneymanGeek You've lost me

Journeyman Geek

@Iain oh in terms of it being bad etiquette

but where similar stuff happened

Security.se hardly seems affected

@JourneymanGeek I think you are off by an order of magnitude based on area51

Journeyman Geek

@Iain there's some smart guy whose name is linked to that...

and I do mean core-core users

2:16 PM

@JourneymanGeek oh - I disagree if there's a better place let's have at it

Journeyman Geek

@Iain well, there's a few things

In my experience "standalone" chat kind of slowly dies due to attrition.

@Iain is it better though?

With SU, we use both our SE chatroom, and an off site chat system regulars run ourselves.

We do mention it exists (hey, can we take this to PII?") but we never pinned a link to the other chat.

SF... kinda was a series of rifts between the community and the folks that run things, drama....

A lot of it potentially avoidable to boot

@JourneymanGeek indeed and eventually people stopped the spiral by leaving

Journeyman Geek

@Iain technically I don't really consider that stopping the spiral

pinning it can do just be good, as if someone want to talk there they will be able.

Journeyman Geek

I do think, with hindsight being 20/20 - things should/could have been done differently but all that did was move issues elsewhere.

And here's the big joke.

2:22 PM

It stopped the spiral between the community and SE. Effectively, the community removed itself from he discussion

Journeyman Geek

I see the exact same arguements on SO.

@JourneymanGeek The CoC

Journeyman Geek

@Iain eh, I think its not that simple

@Iain well, more the quality/broad base arguement, what was so poetically referred to as "river of shit"

The CoC is all about trying to get more people answering because people are leaving due to $reasons and they are not being back filled

Journeyman Geek

@Iain and getting more traffic.

2:24 PM

Traffic is only good if you give people answers

Journeyman Geek

Well, its easier for folks to post answers if the questions are good

eventually people stop coming because ya know - no one answers questions

Journeyman Geek

eh, or they burn out.

(or get frustrated with ... well... a certain degree of silence)

I dont think they can easilly attract more people even with the CoC, like on the other platform I'am on, almost all users I knew quitted over time. It's hard to get people on a site for a long time.

Journeyman Geek

Since it felt a lot like the folks who were meant to be the interface between the community and the company were dragged in 20 different directions.

@yagmoth555 I don't think the COC in itself is going to have a direct effect on anything

2:27 PM

but what is good there, with the slack channel and the chat, is that we can keep in touch with people you knewed over time

Journeyman Geek

@yagmoth555 yup

@JourneymanGeek It caused me to close my mSE account

Journeyman Geek

@Iain I've disagreed with a few things SE has done over time

(and suprisingly, changed something)

you imagine, I was mod on technet, never chatted with high rep user, as no chat exist, and I dont even know who is the forum admin.

Journeyman Geek

but I don't see "closing a mSE account" as... doing anything

If you're not really interested in mSE, you arn't

Its probably the best way for me to (try) to influence stuff on the network

especially in terms of the communities I'm involved in

2:30 PM

a fact is mse is alienating some high rep user, promising feature like 5 year ago

@JourneymanGeek I'm no longer interested so I closed my account

Journeyman Geek

@Iain which is fine.

that still dont exist

Journeyman Geek

@yagmoth555 sigh that's a thing

@JourneymanGeek thanks ;)

Journeyman Geek

2:30 PM

But that's actually one of the things I've been (indirectly) nagging them about

That "non core" non Q&A stuff was basically wagging the dog.

and smaller sites were not getting attention at all

(and well, they did pivot away from careers in a big way)

SO is so overwhelmingly large that everything else may as well not exist

Journeyman Geek

Eh, kinda

Supposedly they've got a team on trying to grow smaller sites

Not interacted with Juan much but he seems ok

Catija's the other person on it, and she's great.

Now (slightly selfishly cause I'd love that job), I do suspect that they do need to grow the CM team at some point - and at least some of it will be focused on growing smaller sites...

You can't really grow SO

Its a bit like that big rolling stone in indiana jones.

@JourneymanGeek or Amazon sized rivers of shit

Journeyman Geek

@Iain Well, apparently it works well enough for some people?

I run a smaller, more general site so... I guess our standards are laxer?

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Trouble Maker Chat Broom

4:14 PM

Any experts..... Wouldn't this be off-topic on ServerFault? Curious if anyone knows for sure YES or NO if anyone here does. Thanks!

Please provide the info :)

5:01 PM

@TroubleMakerChatBroom the magic 8 ball says 'Reply hazy, try again'. ;)

4 hours later…

Trouble Maker Chat Broom

8:42 PM

I forgot the link... Wow!!!

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Q: SFP GBIC copper Ethernet option for an HP Gigabit Server Adapter

Okay, we found an extra HP NC522SFP Dual Port 10GbE Gigabit Server Adapter (468332-B21) at a site and I got it put into an HP Proliant server and it sees it, loaded drivers, etc. I read over the QuickSpecs and according to this, it seems you have to use either an SFP DAC cable or get a fiber op...

compatibility network-adapter

@Zoredache and anyone else, there you go!!

9:06 PM

It would almost certainly get closed as looking for a product recommendation if on serverfault.

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