The Comms Room

Adrian

00:03

@MarkHenderson Not that it may not be justified, but it should at least reflect the fact that Every OS Sucks. =D

WesleyDavid

00:15

@MarkHenderson Haven't even been to that group in many months. I don't see any especial Windows hate. Is it Navarzo's shots mostly?

Mark Henderson

00:33

@WesleyDavid Dunno. Shots of racks of old dialup modems mostly I think

I was just reading through the transcript and saw you mentioned it a few hours ago, thought I'd piokea round

WesleyDavid

03:43

@MarkHenderson Yeah that's Navarzo. He's an Australian with a huge love for old Sun hardware. Big UNIX fan, and hates all things Microsoft. Also, kinda pervy, but that's another story. =)

Post some ghetto IT stuff and sway things the other way. Then again, the whole concept of the group is rather unflattering. =)

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Got rid of most of my ghetto stuff a while ago :P

Even my home network is mounted on a 2-post rack (home made)

Mark Henderson

04:04

Anyone know if there's any major issues mounting a switch upside down?

Just took delivery of a new 48-port switch with 24x PoE, but the PoE ports are all on the left-hand side of the switch. Our PoE device cables will only reach the right-hand side of the switch.

Ward

@MarkHenderson Never heard of a switch with any moving parts other than fans.

Mark Henderson

@Ward Me neither, but I know there's some good datacenter designers on SF, so I figured I should ask

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Q: Can you mount a network switch upside down?

We just took delivery of a new Avaya (Nortel) 2500 48-port switch, that has 24 PoE ports. The problem is that all the PoE ports are on the left-hand size of the switch, and our PoE device cables can only reach the right-hand side of the switch (we're upgrading from an old switch to a new one, and...

Ward

Pretty sure gravity pays a minimal role in airflow.

I think you can take the (Nortel) out...

Mark Henderson

Well, I for one wasn't aware that Nortal didn't exist any more till we bought this

Ward

04:22

When I graduated from University, one of the companies everyone wanted to work for was BNR:

Bell-Northern Research

Bell-Northern Research (BNR) was a telecommunications research and development organizations jointly owned by Bell Canada and Northern Telecom. BNR was absorbed into Nortel Networks when that company changed its name from Northern Telecom in the mid-1990s. BNR was based in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, with campuses at locations around the world, including Research Triangle Park, North Carolina; Richardson, Texas; and Maidenhead, United Kingdom. Bell-Northern Research pioneered the development of digital technology, and created the first practical digital PBX, (SL1), and central office (DMS)....

But they went down with Nortel...

@MarkHenderson You seem to have an expert reply already!

Mark Henderson

@Ward Indeed I do, but I might leave it open for a little while longer...

Maybe I get get some science, bitches

Joel

04:44

0

Q: Using nginx for WordPress alongside a Rails app

I have successfully configured nginx to serve a WordPress blog (at example.com/blog) alongside a Rails app. My stack is as follows: Ubuntu 10.04, ngninx, unicorn (1 worker process for the Rails app), spawn-fcgi (for PHP and WordPress), and PostgreSQL. My question is simple. How much memory shou...

nginx ram

tl;dr running LEPP and a Rails application on 256MB to save like 30 bucks a year.

Mark Henderson

I guess some of us are spoiled with our massive hosting budgets of you know, $50/month

Joel

@MarkHenderson I spend about $70 a YEAR on 1024MB

Mark Henderson

Who with?

Joel

@MarkHenderson RockMyWeb.net

NOT recommended for production

I used to have Nordic VPS, they suffered catastrophic data loss from a RAID failure

Mark Henderson

Interesting...

Why don't you recommend them?

Joel

04:54

@MarkHenderson They'll reboot my VPS without telling me now and again, which is fine for my Wordpress install

Mark Henderson

Hah their cloud services are all sold out

Joel

but if you have long-running processes doing stuff it could be a disaster

Mark Henderson

I might have to give the AWS free tier a go one of these days

Joel

@MarkHenderson Pretty slow for anything but the lightest of workloads

Mark Henderson

Whoah, $20/month for cpanel is a bit pricy

Joel

04:56

@MarkHenderson I have no use for cPanel

Mark Henderson

How slow is "slow"? I'm just thinking I could do with a really light-weight proxy to collect requests and then forward them on, and cache them if the receiving server goes offline.

Joel

@MarkHenderson I think it would be suitable for that

WesleyDavid

07:18

Tactical snark deployed: serverfault.com/a/384416/9770

Lucas Kauffman

:o

Bart De Vos

07:47

Morning :-)

Dan

Morning y'all

tombull89

@WesleyDavid I chuckled.

Any reason I can't see an "edit" link on a post? Possibly a edit outstanding?

Dan

08:04

@tombull89 They don't trust you

tombull89

@Dan funny guy.

7

A: Can you mount a network switch upside down?

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Dan

I can edit both answers and the question

tombull89

@Dan oh, that wasn't the affected question - I just posted that because of the novelty.

Dan

@tombull89 Ah yes, tis good

Iain

G'day

that's confuse Mark - what with him having to turn it all upside down anyway :)

Chopper3

08:33

wow - had some supershit questions today already :(

Bart De Vos

08:57

0

Q: Schedule windows command with at

What will be the parameter to schedule a program in Windows with the at command to run from Th-Sa, 3am, on even days ?

windows scheduled-task

What are "even" days?

The 2nd, the 4th, 6th, ... ?

pbvamsi

i want to release a software developed by me as freeware.. hw ever after i make considerable profits(from its commercial version), I'll release it as an open source. so, could someone please suggest me how i can release my app as freeware license. from where i can get that license

tombull89

@pbvamsi dunno - might be better off asking at Programmers.SE

pbvamsi

@tombull89 thanks :)

Bart De Vos

09:29

-1

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if you want to hack email accounts, use us. Yahoo hack, facebook hack, msn hack, hotmail hack. here is the answer [email protected] http://drpass.tk how to hack an email address. how to find if cheating

Spammy spammer is a spammer

drpass.tk lol

Dan

:(

Kenny Rasschaert

@BartDeVos might want to obfuscate that url

Chopper3

10:04

Not sure about this guys' answers you know, seems a bit bullshit/'me-too' if you go back; serverfault.com/a/384462/1435

and this is just another 'me too' post right? serverfault.com/a/384463/1435

Dan

@Chopper3 Yeah, but it's from a new user so I'd say dipping their feet

Kenny Rasschaert

11:13

This community has a lot of rules that make a lot sense for this kind of website, but they aren't entirely intuitive for new users.

I fear potential new contributors feel put off by some downvotes early on.

Dan

While the switch question is totally reasonable, I've got to admit I'd wonder WTF if I walked into a room of upside down network kit

Mind you, I'm about to dip into "Rachel's organic thick and creamy forbidden fruits" so what do I know

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Lucas Kauffman

11:31

One thing I don't get is why you would even want to mount a switch upside down, the layout doesn't change much does it?

Bart De Vos

@LucasKauffman Well, cable management purposes

I know people do it because they like having all there uplinks on the same side

Dan

@LucasKauffman No, but certain things are asymmetrical such as power, PoE ports (As referenced) or modules, console cables etc. I can't see any reason to DESIGN it like that, but I can see how you'd swap a lot of switches to new switches but want to keep your nice cabling the same

Sysadmin1138 Expounds

11:50

SysAdmin1138 Expounds: Coming up for air: moving an office

posted on April 30, 2012 by SysAdmin1138

Yes, I've been light on the blogging this month. I've been helping to move an office, and it takes quite a lot of effort. Chief among the work contributers being that we have two (2) support-type people in the DC...

ewwhite

12:12

C'mon, we should know better...

1

Q: HP Proliant DL180 G5 server treats 3-TB SATA disks as 750-GB ones

I have this HP Proliant DL180 G5 server, running with the embedded RAID controller (no Smart Array); with this configuration, it only supports 4 SATA disks. Fine. The server has 2 250-GB SATA disks; I bought two 3-TB SATA disks and I added them to the server; but now, upon booting, it shows 2 25...

hard-drive hp proliant sata size

jscott

Anyone ever heard of fix tool box dot com? They seem to be creating an awful lot of accounts just to spam their site links...

Perhaps someone from SE sales could contact them to provide advertising rates.

Dan

Whelp, I've just been given the all clear from work to sign up to the TA

Bart De Vos

Traffic Announcements?

tombull89

Territorial Army, I guess. Voulenteer branch of the Army.

Dan

@tombull89 Yeah, you got it

Been considering it for a while, but Brother passed his selection this weekend (Also for TA) so I'm now a) Jealous b) Lagging behind!

tombull89

12:26

@Dan Is that under a certain section due to your skillset?

Dan

Gotta work seriously hard at fitness. Cardio and running aren't too bad, but upper body fitness is poor. Though I'd try some pushups last night and collapsed at like 15. Not good at all , but then I did end my last Gym membership 3 years ago

@tombull89 Nope, and deliberately so! Fancy infantry or logistics (I.e., driving!)

tombull89

One of my friends recently did a tour in Royal Artillery, flying UAVS.

Dan

@tombull89 Fair play - sounds pretty interesting!

ewwhite

0

Q: What is the best way to connect a dual LAN server to two trunked switches?

In an older quetion "Best practice to trunk two GB switches?" I asked about how to trunk two switches. I now used a static link to connect them and it runs well. Now I am not sure on how to connect our two servers. Both have vSphere 5 running and both have two LAN ports which are linked thourgh v...

vmware-esxi switch vmware-vsphere trunk

ewwhite

12:53

How much do people pay for hosted spam filtering?

Realizing it's hard to compete with this...

barracudanetworks.com/ns/products/ess_overview.php

tombull89

I posted this comment four hours ago and it's got 33 upvotes, currently. o.O

so...is upvote upvote or downvote? — tombull89 5 hours ago

Dan

@tombull89 You still got that SFF Media PC for sale?

Chris S

@jscott Need a link to one of the accounts they've created; then I can send the a nasty pre-composed e-mail.

jscott

13:08

@ChrisS The flag was approved, so I cannot see the post anymore: serverfault.com/questions/200176/…

Since Friday, I have seen at least three names posting content-free answers with links to that domain... I've flagged them each, and all have been approved. Sorry I'm not 10K enough to get them all for you. :)

Chris S

@jscott Ah, that account has been destroyed... I might have had something to do with that. So there's nothing left. =]

jscott

Ha! Well thanks, good riddance and all.

MikeyB

@ChrisS Hellban for spammers might work…

Tom O'Connor

Hm. Ganglia.

Chris S

Most spammers get the "Your account has been removed" message and move along, and it's much quicker for me to click "Destroy" than anything else.... Perm-banning them requires writing them an e-mail.

tombull89

13:16

@Dan yeah, although I'm not quite happy at letting it go yet, I think I need to tidy the cables up as it runs a bit hot.

Dan

@tombull89 Fair enough - I keep toying with building one again

Had a nice setup with a Zotac board (Atom + ION), but it broke (Physically) and I've not done anything since

tombull89

@Dan It was only a bargin build, bits from maplins + RAM I already had. I used it as a home dev webserver, not actually tried large videos on it.

MikeyB

@Dan My boss bought a Zotac and it worked for a while, now it's just got really weird issues (reboots after 20 mins or so, cooling isn't the problem). Nice little devices though when they work.

tombull89

I want to get rid of a few machine's I've got to go towards a "proper" gaming PC, rather than buying bundles from Maplins.

Chris S

I've had good luck with Zotac boards, but have head the same stories you're telling now. They seem to be a bit easier to break than most. Could have something to do with the tiny form factors and feature density...

I have a home theater machine I built several years ago now. I replaced it with a Western Digital Player box that I got refurbed on eBay for $80. It's tiny and the wife likes it (yes I said "likes", not "tolerates" or "can figure it out", but "likes"). It only plays content, and it's a bit picky, but once you know it's limits they're easy to work in.

MDMarra

13:26

@Dan I recently sold my Shuttle pc and got a couple of apple tvs

tombull89

When the school had it's iPads delivered on Friday (let's not go there) there were two Apple TV's with them so the teachers can show their iPad through the projector.

MDMarra

all i used it for was to stream netflix and mlb.tv anyway though

tombull89

I was quite impressed with the form factor but I'd want it to stream music/video from a fileserver rather than use iTunes.

MDMarra

@tombull89 So you don't use WPA2 Enterprise?

Because ATV can only use PSK

Dan

@MDMarra Like the look of them, but ideally I want XBMC and 1080p!

MDMarra

13:27

@tombull89 I have a DLink DNS-323 NAS with built in itunes server

The new ATV does 1080

Dan

@tombull89 Might struggle on Windows, but should be able to handle most things with Ubuntu

tombull89

@MDMarra To be honest, the department has bought them because they had the money. They don't know what they want them for, or if they will work.

Cabling is going to be a nightmare but that's not my concern.

MDMarra

Got ya

Yeah if you want to hook them up to wireless and use cert or chap based 802.1x auth you're out of luck

otherwise you'll need an extra drop in each room that they'll be used in for them

Our academic computing people have been giving me shit for it not working with our wifi like it's my problem that apple doesn't give a shit about business/higher ed

tombull89

@MDMarra sad trombone I'll remember that. We've got the networks points, it's no problem, although it's just another cable.

I'm trying to work on a "Concerning Apple" blog post. I'm trying to keep it as level-headed and balanced as possible but it's not easy, especially on their bailing of the xServer line.

MDMarra

Hopefully Timmay reverses that decision

pauska

13:32

@tombull89 haven't you heard? mac minis are great servers according to cupertino

except that they don't use themselves in their new datacenter

tombull89

@pauska Maybe. But single network port, no iLO and single hard disks break it for me. Maybe if you had a cluster of them, but, nah thanks.

MDMarra

@tombull89 You can get them with 2 HDDs

but no LOM, no redundant power, not a standard rackmountable formfactor, etc

tombull89

For the price of a Mac Mini you could get three HP MicroServers, or two MicroServers, an iLO card, another HDD and a bit more RAM for each.

@MDMarra I was not aware of that.

MDMarra

I still wouldn't go near them

jscott

>Not a standard rack-mountable... sonnettech.com/product/rackmacmini.html :)

Chris S

13:35

$850 will get you an HP Micro with everything listed above, except dual power supplies (which aren't an option last I looked)

tombull89

The other Apple option is a Mac Pro. Which, compared to it's U height and cost, I'll also pass on that.

MDMarra

@jscott standard :p

jscott

@MDMarra It's 1U!! ;)

MDMarra

You can rack mount anything if you try hard enough

jscott

I kid, I kid.

MDMarra

13:36

;)

ewwhite

Does anyone here need a LOT of DAS storage quickly?

Chris S

Our new marketing girl wants a Mac. I've tried to quash that as sternly as possible without invoking vulgar language.... I think I'm going to have to resort to swearing however.

ewwhite

My HP distributor has one of these - HP # BK828A for cheap... 70 x 2TB disks in an enclosure... h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13257_na/13257_na.html

MDMarra

@ChrisS You can't fight it forever. The best you can do is focus your efforts into making it clear that it's unsupported and you don't give a single fuck if it explodes and is literally burning her desk down.

ewwhite

@Chopper3 Any use for an MDS600 packed full of 2TB disks?

Chris S

13:41

I've got rank on my side presently... She'd have to get a non-technical shareholder to stick their neck out over "PC vs Mac", which would be a chilly day down under....

tombull89

@ChrisS Your only question is, Why? Why does she need one when a Windows desktop will do just find for a % of the price. "Because it looks nice" is not an option.

Be it school or business it'll all come down to cost.

Chris S

@tombull89 She claims they're "better" at Photoshop and all that jazz she runs.

Granted she's got a "temporary" laptop right now that's a bit older, but it's still fairly quick, and she's getting a new one later this week. But she's got no quantitative reason she needs a Mac. Just that they seem better at some things.

MDMarra

@ChrisS Actually, independent benchmarks recently show that recent suites perform worse on OS X than a comparable Windows system

tombull89

Tell her if her manager wants to sign off the extra money (suggest it comes out of her wages) then you'll map a network drive and that's it.

It's like me, I'm expected to support the Macs and the iPads yet I know next to nothing about them.

Dan

0

Q: Your applications are not closing MySQL connections properly

When I run mysqltuner it is showing the error in the title. Please help me to solve it. -------- General Statistics -------------------------------------------------- [--] Skipped version check for MySQLTuner script [OK] Currently running supported MySQL version 5.1.61-log [OK] Operating on 64-b...

mysql my.cnf

2

Q: Run OPTIMIZE TABLE to defragment tables for better performance

I am running Linux 64-Bit OS. My mysql tuner is saying the things below: -------- General Statistics -------------------------------------------------- [--] Skipped version check for MySQLTuner script [OK] Currently running supported MySQL version 5.1.61-log [OK] Operating on 64-bit architectur...

linux mysql putty

MDMarra

13:44

If she were using FC/Logic/etc, then I could understand. Not Adobe shit

Chris S

@MDMarra For years they've been close enough that it really isn't a factor in the decision anyway. I'll have to check that out though. Thanks.

MDMarra

The only time it was really different was before apple was on intel

Joel

13:58

My SSD came in the mail, hooray

ewwhite

Which SSD?

Oh, for a desktop?

Joel

@ewwhite OCZ Vertex 3, prices went through the floor when the Vertex 4 came out

ewwhite

How much/capacity?

Joel

@ewwhite Just 120GB, this is my first SSD ever so I didn't want to bet the farm on it, so to speak

I don't need any more than that on my laptop

and the laptop is where I'm feeling disk bottleneck pain

Chopper3

@ewwhite sorry, went out for lunch with wifey - yum - I do indeed use MDS600's all over the place, great aren't they - but no need for any right this moment, cheers anyway

ewwhite

14:03

@Chopper3 The price is $20k even... and the distributor wanted to see if I knew anyone who could use it.

(is that a decent price?)

Chopper3

@MDMarra To be fair Macs deal with colour and typography SO much better than Windows - MS made some utterly shit assumptions for how GDI would do this over two decades ago and even in W7 we're still living with it. If you're doing high-end publishing or photography work you'd be stupid not to use a Mac

@ewwhite no, just checked, I can get one filled with 3TB disks for about the same in UKP

@Joel they're a nice disk, typing on a MBP with one in right now in fact :)

Stack Exchange

The Nubby Admin: What version of EFI is my Mac OS X Computer Running?

posted on April 30, 2012 by Wesley David

There comes a time when it is expedient to know some version information about the EFI firmware running on Apple OS X. In my case, I just wanted to make sure that I had EFI64. I knew I did, but… seeing is believing. As of OS X 10.7.3, to find out information concerning what version of Apple’s EFI firmware you are running, perform the following command at a terminal: ioreg -p I…

ewwhite

@Chopper3 Yes, use a Mac :)

@Chopper3 But for most, that's a $40k solution.

Yeah, distributor is probably stuck with it.

Journeyman Geek

Actually, out of curiocity, what sort of server software has to run on a mac?

Chopper3

@JourneymanGeek Apple's own stuff I guess

Chris S

14:07

Love to have it, but I don't know what we'd do with 0.14PB of storage.... and that'd make justifying it pretty hard.

Chopper3

@ChrisS The only real use for that amount is video (maybe splunk too?), which is why I spend a lot on storage

Dan

@ChrisS HD porn, natch

Chris S

We've got 10K in the budget for a shelf actually; going to start backing up everyone's laptops. I'm sure they'd find a way to fill whatever storage I throw at them. =]

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 a photographer showed it once to me when he cleaned up a picture, first in MS and then on a Mac. In MS it looked clean, when he showed it again in OSX you could still see some dirt

@ChrisS bring in the SAN's ?

MDMarra

@Chopper3 i mean that can be corrected with a high end monitor and reasonable color profile tweaks though

tombull89

14:13

@ChrisS won't that run into legal issues once you start doing their iTunes library and their uTorrent folder?

MDMarra

but you're right

Chris S

@LucasKauffman Adding to the one we've got.

Lucas Kauffman

fancy

Chris S

@tombull89 They're not allowed to have an iTunes library on work machines; but it'd be covered under the "backup" clause of the copyright law (and any contract between Apple and the end user isn't my problem when they're breaking company policy). Nobody has uTorrent installed (I do check what software is installed on people's machines from time to time, and have seriously thought about bracketing down AppLocker)

MDMarra

Has the Reiser community sufficiently recovered from the whole "lead dude murdered his wife" thing to really be considered a production alternative to EXT4? — MDMarra 9 secs ago

That's actually a legit question if anyone has experience with it

ewwhite

14:20

No, it hasn't.

Unstable...

Buggy...

Dan

@MDMarra Christ, I'd forgotten about that

MDMarra

Well then feel free to follow the link back and chime in

the guy that suggested using Reiser over EXT4 to solve an inode problem is +2 right now

ewwhite

where is the question?

I'd seriously question an admin recommending Reiser for anything now.

MDMarra

0

Q: EXT4 "No space left on device (28)" incorrect

I have been through the other questions/answers regarding inode usage, mounting issues and others but none of those questions seem to apply... df -h /dev/sdd1 931G 100G 785G 12% /media/teradisk df -ih /dev/sdd1 59M 12M 47M 21% /media/teradisk Basically, I have an EXT4 form...

linux filesystems ext4

ewwhite

it's not 2004

Dan

14:26

Caution: ReiserFS will fuck your shit up

MDMarra

Haha, he replied and said "don't be stupid. I'm talking bout Reiser3, not Reiser4."

I don't know enough about Linux filesystems to really say anything back. My gut says "why use an outdated filesystem whose successors is a piece of crap and whose lead dev is in jail"

Dan

I've corrected him for you

MDMarra

haha

Dan

But now he's saying V3 is the only good one. I'm actually quite confused

(I shan't respond again, for risk of becoming a spammer!)

MDMarra

He suggested Reiser3 from the beginning

My point was more of, why chose a filesystem that doesn't really have a future

apparently he doesnt care

ewwhite

14:32

That's the difference between a hacker and a sysadmin...

Dan

@MDMarra Oh yes, I misread his comment

But yeah, FWIW, I totally agree with you

ewwhite

Yes, Reiser could work... but for the next person to come in and support it....

Dan

I mean, when lead designer/developer/implementer is incarcerated for 15-life then you can legitimately question the future of the product!

Oh, and Namesys is formally suspended now

ho hum

The upside down switch is getting a lot of activity from newbies

MDMarra

hahaha

ewwhite

Weird.. protect that question

Dan

14:43

@MDMarra Man, that bloke is a dick

MDMarra

That guy is a fucking dickhead

@MDMarra, keep your points in your own answers then. — poige 4 mins ago

ewwhite

And I weird for preferring to use the ntsysv command to manage services?

versus chkconfig...

MDMarra

I flagged one of his comments as offensive. Let a mod sort it out.

ewwhite

0

Q: What's the difference between chkconfig on vs chkconfig --add?

Whats the difference between using chkconfig on and using chkconfig --add?

chkconfig

Dan

Haha, he's accused you of being non technical!

MDMarra

14:47

Yeah fuck that guy. Flagged as offensive, downvoted, done.

I think he's trying to be TomTom2, except instead of giving good advice while being a dick in a funny way, he gives mediocre advice while being a useless douche

tombull89

Wow, that Reiser guy was a piece of work.

Chopper3

Obviously like follows like

Journeyman Geek

lol

he was

Dan

I've not seen TomTom for a bit

Is he on an enforced break?

MDMarra

If you crawl the MSSQL Server questions he pops up once in a while

I just don't think he's as active as he used to be

tombull89

14:53

Sure. THis is fully documented - in the documentation. THat even makes often sense, for example when your inner CA is not public but you want the revocation list on the internet. — TomTom yesterday

Dan

@tombull89 Yeah, just seen it

Chopper3

@Dan I thought he was busy acting as a character witness for that Norwegian guy in court?

tombull89

snerk

Dan

http://serverfault.com/questions/381738/php-editing-and-displaying-text-from-a-txt-file
Surely that's SO

@Chopper3 Haha

wfaulk

Miserable today

I found a potential new job and they're being pokey getting back to me

I also fear that they're not going to want me

:(

</wfaulk's emo blog>

SpacemanSpiff

15:01

Send them nekkid pictures

That'll help

wfaulk

I can assure you that it won't

but thanks for making me smile

Journeyman Geek

sure it will

threaten to send more and worse ones if they don't hire you

wfaulk

Or I could just make sure they're not naked pics of me

Chris S

HEY! WTF WITH THE CRAP STORM OF FLAGS ON THAT FILESYSTEM QUESTION?!

4

MDMarra

Just wanted to say hi.

;)

Chris S

15:07

ಠ_ಠ

2

Journeyman Geek

lol

MDMarra

TomTom can get away with it, because he gives good advice.

This guy is just an angry Russian man with an un-explainable love ReiserFS

SpacemanSpiff

Don't feed the trolls!

jscott

^^This
Kinda surprised it's gone on this long...

MDMarra

Oh it's done

post is locked

voretaq7

15:14

@MDMarra Budding murderer?

MDMarra

Probably

Although, apparently I "need to learn how the open source community works", which is apparently a defense of the Reiser project in the absence of Hans.

Reiser4. I win.

voretaq7

Step 1: Write filesystem.
Step 2: Murder.

It's inevitable. Filesystems make you murderous. McKusick will go on a killing spree one day - just wait.

SpacemanSpiff

Someone make a buffalo bill/silence of the lambs/resierFS meme, now.

MDMarra

So, I make a random game in Hanging With Friends now, since no one plays with me any more

This is from a person that I've played like 50 games with

tombull89

@SpacemanSpiff HEEEERESSS HANS!

MDMarra

15:19

but don't know and have never talked to

tombull89

(okay, that was The Shining)

MDMarra

What the fuck do you even say to that?

"Tip: the next word I played was 'trained'"

Dan

ouch

voretaq7

102

A: Can you mount a network switch upside down?

˙sɯǝlqoɹd ʎuɐ pɐɥ ɹǝʌǝu ǝʌ,I puɐ uʍop ǝpısdn pǝʇunoɯ ǝɹɐ sǝɥɔʇıʍs ʞɹoʍʇǝu ʎɯ ɟo ll∀

Jeff Ferland

@MDMarra I've got no clue... and my brother died 6 months ago the same way :-/

voretaq7

15:20

giggle Someone flagged that.

MDMarra

sorry to hear that man

Chopper3

@MDMarra would've been worse if he'd hung himself

Jeff Ferland

@Chopper3 Ha! Hangman... oh I'm a horrible person

MDMarra

But I mean, to say that to a complete stranger that you've only ever interacted with via a Zynga game?

cmon now

Jeff Ferland

"I'm very sorry to hear of your loss."

Chopper3

15:22

@MDMarra "Your turn to choo-choose"

Jeff Ferland

@Chopper3 Been watching Simpsons lately?

Chopper3

no, why?

Jeff Ferland

I Love Lisa

"I Love Lisa" is the fifteenth episode of The Simpsons' fourth season, and originally aired on the Fox network in the United States on February 11, 1993. In the episode, Lisa gives Ralph Wiggum a Valentine's Day card when she sees that he has not received any. Ralph reads too much into Lisa's gesture and, much to Lisa's dismay, relentlessly pursues her with affection. Lisa snaps at Ralph and angrily tells him they are not together and that she never liked him. Heartbroken, Ralph channels his feelings into his performance as George Washington in the school's President's Day pageant. After a...

jscott

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Jeff Ferland

Thus, @Chopper3 will now and forever sound like Ralph Wiggum in my head.

SpacemanSpiff

15:26

Ya'll are awesome.

Chopper3

@JeffFerland oh, I'm not really a fan of the simpsons, well not since my Daughter watched every last episodes and quotes them all the time assuming I've a) seen them all and b) can recall every single line ever from it

prefer bob's burgers anyway

SpacemanSpiff

Can I requisition three vials of unicorn tears, 400 hundred red pens, and a wet beaver?

Jeff Ferland

@SpacemanSpiff Please fill out forms in triplicate on carbon paper. Place in /dev/null. We'll answer your request in the order that we care.

ewwhite

Grrr, the filesystem question is dragging me down, too

Again, I'd love to get the background related to some of these questions...

how do you end up in a situation where you're writing 12 million+ files to a single directory?

Chopper3

and frequently

"Microsoft Invests $300 Million in Nook to Take on Amazon and Apple in E-Book Market" Throwing.Good.Money.After.Bad - that's fucking all MS do these days

Jeff Ferland

15:44

@ewwhite First you write one file, then you write a second... then you keep going and realize that you never thought about what would happen when you reached 12,000,000.

voretaq7

15:55

@JeffFerland nFiles is O(N^N) for N=nEvents. That's not bad right? I mean we'll never have more than 2-3 events...

Jeff Ferland

@voretaq7 What's all this order whatever stuff? I mean, look at this: storyinmemo.com/?p=76 All those samples are order 1. Why do dump this engineering drivel on me? Make the files work!</manager>

... I still don't see why it doesn't work. It worked when we had five...

Chopper3

16:22

Only just found out that we got The Avengers in the UK a week before everywhere else - how did that happen?

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 influence on your formal colonies?

Jeff Ferland

16:38

So, anybody read up on the Air France flight that disappeared over the ocean a few years ago? Apparently one of the pilots spent the entire time holding back the stick and keeping the plane in such a bad stall that it was pointed up an dropping 10,000 feet per minute.

... all the while the plane was alarming: "Stall, Stall, Stall, Stall..."

ewwhite

Is facebook messaging down right now?

"Sorry, but Messages is temporarily unavailable. Please try again in a few minutes."

Shane Madden

@JeffFerland Seriously? Wow.

ewwhite

@JeffFerland wassup with that?

Adrian

Idiots. Simply idiots.

jscott

@JeffFerland Yeah, here's a look at the last 6 minutes of the flight.. Wild stuff.

Adrian

16:45

I tell somebody that Gentoo is probably not the best choice to base their small start-up on, and somebody jumps my case telling me that it's a great distribution because it's so flexible.

Duh. Of course it's flexible. That's why you don't get vendor support with something like Gentoo.....

Jeff Ferland

I don't have a pilot's license, but I know that anybody who is learning to fly a Cessna should know better than to do what happened there.

Also, I image that the false horizon should and altimeter should have been enough to clue them in. Pitot tubes only reference air speed.

It's like leaving the parking brake on because your speedometer cable is busted.

Adrian

@JeffFerland suicide attempt?

Well, not 'attempt' I suppose.

Jeff Ferland

@Adrian Cockpit audio doesn't give any hint of that.

Adrian

@JeffFerland Weird.

Jeff Ferland

It's like there were two people in the cockpit... 3, they called in the senior pilot, and none of them realized that the plane going, "Stall, stall, stall" was a hint that they might be in a stall.

That has the transcript

Basically the first guy got locked in a stupid loop where his hand was doing something his brain ultimately didn't want... kept pulling back on the stick because he didn't want to lose altitude. It's like somebody getting target fixation.

Target fixation

Target fixation is a process by which the brain is focused so intently on an observed object that awareness of other obstacles or hazards can diminish. Also, in an avoidance scenario, the observer can become so fixated on the target that they will forget to take the necessary action to avoid it, thus colliding with the object. This is a common issue for motorcyclists and mountain bikers. A motorcycle or bicycle will tend to go where the rider is looking; if the rider is overly focused on an obstacle, the cycle can collide with that object simply because of the rider's focus on it, even th...

Adrian

16:52

@JeffFerland Exactly. Lizard Brain.

Jeff Ferland

Second guy couldn't correct the stupid loop because he wasn't aware that the first guy didn't listen to the "descend" command and that his control input was averaged with "go straight up"

The last minute of that transcript is truly depressing.

jscott

@BartSilverstrim Any chance this was in your district?! reghardware.com/2012/04/30/…

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Chris S

17:18

$36,000 in MacBooks, what's that, about 6 of them?

Kyle Brandt

Punishing him is clearly infringement on his first amendment rights

Adrian

@KyleBrandt Looks like Art to me. Give that boy a federal grant.

Lucas Kauffman

@JeffFerland we had the same at my dropzone, there was one tree in the place, the rest was just grass (3km wide and 2 km long). Still people (especially students) manage to land in that one tree :p

tombull89

17:34

@jscott The bar has been raised. I will see what happens with our students when they get their hands on our MacBooks.

Chris S

17:46

@JeffFerland That's about as scary as it gets.... 1 person so wildly incompetent that he caused the plane to crash; and two others so stupid they saw fit to completely ignore blaring warnings for minutes on end.

I can confidently say that if I was that pilot and walked into a cockpit full of blaring alarms the first thing I would have done is throw those other two moron out.

Tom O'Connor

Use Pfsense? No. Don't. Look at syslogd and Active memory. pastebin.com/qGderxMq

voretaq7

@ChrisS @JeffFerland You'd be surprised how many accidents/incidents have been the result of the exact same thing happening

Lucas Kauffman

stupid turkey blocking pastebin -_-

Chris S

@voretaq7 I guess so... But, wow, WTF top to bottom... I guess that's the only way to crash a modern jetliner though.

voretaq7

18:05

@ChrisS oh no not at all

the old "run it in circles until the engines stop" bit is a classic that never fails

Chris S

@voretaq7 I've not heard of many A330's going down because they ran out. Other than that one time... forget the details but it was quite a few years ago and had something to do with a conversion or math error.

Gimli Glider

The Gimli Glider is the nickname of an Air Canada aircraft that was involved in a notable aviation incident in July 1983. On 23 July, Air Canada Flight 143, a Boeing 767-200 jet, ran out of fuel at an altitude of ASL, about halfway through its flight from Montreal to Edmonton via Ottawa. The crew was able to glide the aircraft safely to an emergency landing at Gimli Industrial Park Airport, a former Canadian Air Force base at Gimli, Manitoba. The subsequent investigation revealed corporate failures and a chain of minor human errors that combined to defeat built-in safeguards. In ad...

There it is. Landed "safely" still.

Tom O'Connor

@ChrisS They made a film about that.

voretaq7

@ChrisS they actually just scrapped that plane :)

Chris S

It was quite the impressive show of calm, collected, rational thought. Rather like Capt Sully... The type of people who should by flying aircraft.

voretaq7

18:22

@ChrisS I'm still surprised 447 didn't declare an emergency when they realized they lost their airspeed indication

also while I think the Airbus A3xx series are fine planes, some of their design decisions still confuse the hell out of me

Chris S

@voretaq7 That's what really scares me... It's not like there was some big event. It was just a long, continuous string of unforgivable "mistakes" which culminated in the crash.

Even if they had managed to do something spectacular, a quick mistake or what have you, I could almost understand... But the prolonged stupidity just scares the living crap out of me.

voretaq7

@ChrisS well one of the FAA safety guys I know is fond of saying that a crash isn't when one thing goes wrong, it's when 10 things go wrong

Chris S

Yeah; I'm sure that's very true.

voretaq7

here we have a plane in weather/icing that lost its airspeed indication, nobody declared an emergency, for some unexplained reason one of the pilots started pulling back on the stick when he saw the plane in a climb, the design of the control system means nobody else knows that's what he's doing...

and the end there, that just seems like crazy panic

"eee! ocean! Yank stick back through tailcone!"

@ChrisS It does not compare to this episode of pure genius though:
http://uncontrolledairspace.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2389&p=10918&hilit=long+island#p10918

Chris S

18:45

@voretaq7 I don't follow.

voretaq7

Flight plan distance: 420NM.
Maximum range of that aircraft: 370NM.
By my math the guy should have been out of gas about 30 miles due south of Jones Beach, and in the water 5-10 miles after that...

Chris S

Ah; I think I've got it figured out now... You know you linked me to the last post in that thread, the one where one R/C flier is talking to another.

voretaq7

@ChrisS meh? Stupid forum search result link...

jscott

Wait, some guy ran out of gas and landed a plane on an RC runway?

How, the, heck?!

Lucas Kauffman

@voretaq7 remembers me of that flight where the pilots forgot to turn on the oxygen calibration. They got alarms, but instead of descending they stayed at the same altitude, resulting in hypoxia, it killed all the passengers and in the end the pilots too

Chris S

18:54

500ft runway with grass at either end... small cesna plane, it's not the worst possible landing place.

Lucas Kauffman

how much does a cessna need?

jscott

@ChrisS For some reason I guessing the RC'ers may not have been warned by the tower that a real plane was landing. :)

voretaq7

@ChrisS HE RAN OUT OF GAS!!!

Lucas Kauffman

would be funny if one of the guys pretended it was his giant rc plane

Chris S

@voretaq7 There's a service road on the other side of the freeway, not 1000' feet away. Much longer and more suitable to an unpowered landing.

@LucasKauffman That plane is spec'd at 725', but you could cut that in half easily if all you care about is landing alive and don't care about the plane.

@voretaq7 The spec for that plane say 415nm range (still not 420); not sure if that includes reserve.

voretaq7

18:59

@ChrisS you can get a 150 into 500 feet with a little breeze

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