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Q: Gopher server on ubuntu (or similar distro)

IncognitoI would like to install a gopher server on ubuntu 11.10, however (not surprisingly) I can't seem to find strong documentation on this topic as I could if this were an HTTP server like any of the dozens you can name off the top of your head. I've only come across one server that looks suitable, G...

@Incognito ?? Why the link?
01:09
Gopher? Haven't seen that in nearly 20 years. Probably easier to write your own server and client at this point. Can't be that difficult.
01:20
@Ward Sorry, didn't realize it was odd to post it here. In other rooms on the SE network it's fine to cross post Qs.
@Adrian The thought did cross my mind.
01:40
Easy enough to write that in Python for that matter. if it were of any practical benefit, I'd probably give it a go.
Someone's already started a py gopher, but all of these are long dead projects.
I mostly wanted some information on preventing any crazy exploits.
Or maybe someone else who's done this with some experience.
01:58
Something kind of tells me that it might be just a little TOO much of a niche project to find such advice aside from general proper coding practices.
Well I figure at the core this is just a TCP/IP socket problem. "Given probably insecure service X, how do I prevent bad things?"
If I had freeBSD on the server I'd use Jails.
Then chmod everything and give permissions only where needed.
But it's still just a hobby project. I really cannot conceive of using Gopher in any professional capacity in 2012.
03:01
obsolete, right?
This is a delightfully insightful interview
Though I may only feel that way because I subconsciously assumed that rappers aren't interested in hackathons.
@ewwhite: to the point where most browsers are dropping support for it
(and no one's really noticed ;p)
@Joel I'll save it for a later viewing.
@Incognito: one advantage you have here is that gopher isn't terribly interactive
I just read an epic thread on LinkedIn about finding Linux talent... and a number of people chimed in about obsolete tech...
03:16
@ewwhite At the very least, it makes me excited for a future possible collaboration with Chamillionaire, which I had once ruled out due to my lack of musical talent.
how if you've been working for 10 years, the stuff you did 8 years ago isn't a plus...
@ewwhite I think it makes you appreciate the formerly-difficult things that are now cake, but reverence for tech doesn't necessarily add to the bottom line
One guy in the conversation was talking about how he can write assembly to handle many tasks with far greater efficiency than immature scripting languages....
but he also seemed to be in his late 60's.
I'm finding it difficult to retain all info now...
@ewwhite Don't worry, the computer will do the remembering from now on
like, I rotate specific sets of knowledge in and out as I need to use them
I was just looking at a ps listing, and couldn't remember what JCPU represented.
03:23
@ewwhite Aren't some things like riding a bike, though? Like "Fuck I haven't configured Kerberos by hand in forever, alright let's take a look"
The problem is that interviews are specific these days..
I don't think I've failed a tech interview... but each time I'm in the job market, I get a bit nervous about it.
Specific in regards to implementation? As in, "I have done this many times," not just "I know what that group of words means"
I mean, I'd have to step back to figure out AD integration again..
since every time I look at it, there's been a shift.
posted on April 29, 2012 by Matt Simmons

I like Nagios a lot. Actually, I really just like monitoring the status of my resources and services, and I like incredibly flexible software that allows you to do whatever you want in order to accomplish your goals. In other words, Nagios. It’s not without its warts, but it is software that I’ve used for [...]

@ewwhite I'm sure you'd rock it though, there's a basic level of "competence" that is worth a lot more than implementation particulars
03:26
Oh yeah... I've been fine in the past.
but the new thing now is the whole DevOps focus...
"Oh it requires TLS now? Let's get that going"
Maybe it's the fact that I'm a Generalist, but I look more for exactly 'how' the "i don't know" is handled.
Requiring people to have every aspect of a word-salad of technologies memorized is a bit much.
Well, in pruning my resume from 3 pages back to 2, I dropped a LOT of content..
I've done a few phone interviews with recruiters for DevOps companies (Spokeo)
They're heavy on the dev, lighter on the ops
They wanted someone who has experience with object-oriented ruby programming and NOSQL, as well as typical automation tools like puppet
What knocked my socks off was their request for ActiveMQ, which I'd never even heard of
Right, and that's odd...
ActiveMQ isn't too off, but it's a DEVELOPER thing.
03:30
Of course! And I get it, they're a small company and that guy will have to wear many hats
I find that devs make poor sysadmins. I think they're separate skillsets.
But when you're asking for absurd amounts of experience with Puppet, I get penalized for not having used it the day it came out.
but a lot of the new tools we need as sysadmins are embraced by dev types because they're geared towards programmers.
Puppet is still off and buggy to me..
But I have to use it.
I think it goes a step beyond the audience, and more towards the mindset
well, there was a 24 year-old devops guy at my last place
03:31
when we abstract away systems as programmable entities, we can achieve a sense of scale that is otherwise impossible
really a developer, but he thought he was good enough to be a sysadmin... since he was devops in a small shop prior.
but things like hardware management, tuning, data center management, cabling, monitoring...
he didn't know about.. yet he was great at navigating linux... just not at making it run well.
@ewwhite Not to toot my own horn, but I inspired this
kinda true....
Aye. Straight-up DevOps only works if somebody else is handling the physical equipment that it has to live on.
@Joel Hotlinking terrorist.
03:36
@WesleyDavid I'll host your static content
@Joel Is that some kind of geeky come on? Because if so... I feel oddly flattered.
That said, I'm discovering I'm more open to DevOps than some of the shops I'm applying for where I have internal contacts. Not so sure I want to join those orgs and paint myself into a corner.
@Adrian Probably true as well... I just don't like the thought. Is it the consolidation of roles?
"Oh I'll host your static content... big boy."
Bog boy? WTH, fingers.
@ewwhite My opinion is that Dev folks tend to only give a shit about their code and THIS ONE THING that they do. The rest can go F itself as far as they're concerned.
03:37
Don't make me go all Dvorak keyboard on ya'll.
@ewwhite I think it's the fact that there's only so many hours in the day. You can maybe half-ass some code and it'll get fixed eventually, but if you half-ass a server turn-up, you're 50 grand in revenue lost before you get to where you should have been.
@Adrian All I know about developers trying to administer systems or even do help desk work is that ipconfig /flushdns fixes just about everything. And if it doesn't, then the server guys must have put something on the wrong VLAN.
@WesleyDavid Also it works on my computer, and turning off the firewall/UAC is the first thing I do on a new computer
@Joel SONUVABITCH
@WesleyDavid My roommate is also a sysadmin, when we first moved in I said "Davie, I don't know if I'm ready to link up our networks just yet"
and we ran on separate subnets for a few weeks.
03:39
I will not incriminate anyone, but a person that I may or may not be related to by blood or law who also may or may not be a developer, just today asked me "So, does turning on Windows firewall give you some kind of added benefit or protection if someone else on the network has a virus that's maybe scanning?"
@Joel That would be awesome to get in a relationship with another IT worker. "I'm ready for the next stage in our relationship. Let's trunk our VLANs."
@WesleyDavid With no ACLs? How scandalous
Softball. Anyone want free rep? serverfault.com/q/384174/9770
Nope.
I so want to comment "OMGWTFBBQ" on this one:
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Q: HBA directly to DAE bypassing SPE

AstronIs it possible to setup a server with a host-based adapter (HBA) directly to a disk-array enclosure (DAE), taking the storage-processor out of the equation? Would something like Openfiler have this capability? Can it be done without Openfiler? Note sure how the drives could be provisioned for R...

I like acronyms as much as the next guy, but come on.
Bah! I lol'd:
@WesleyDavid I once started a troll overflow on area51... jeff shut it down the same day. :(
03:48
Singularly lacking in humor, obviously...
@Incognito We'll he's no fun.
Way too many folks around here with no sense of humor, let a fine-tuned sense of the absurd.
@WesleyDavid who did I check into the boards now?
@voretaq7 You one-punched a question earlier today.
@WesleyDavid oh, that
bleh.
03:51
That was hilarious. And rather apropos for our DevOps discussion earlier. Kudos @WesleyDavid
Too bad there's no rep for awesome comments.
@Adrian DEMON BE GONE!
"What web server are you running?"
"Linux!"
"No, web server."
"HP!"
"Web. Server."
"120V AC!"
"HAYTCH. TEE. TEE. PEE."
"Ohhhh... I know.

LAMP."
I wonder how people get into these situations?
Are they not using sysadmins?
is the CLOUD creating more reliance on devops?
@ewwhite I wonder that a lot myself. And why it seems so hard for me to find myself in those situations -- and I can handle it.
03:53
The cloud stupidity convincing idiots that anybody can be a sysadmin?
So you're saying we should start a Foaminian Cult?

I'll vote for that.
@WesleyDavid I'm already a member
I don't entirely trust anyone who can't relate to any of the foamy videos.
@Adrian I don't entirely trust anyone.
Full stop.
For any reason.
@Adrian Well I set up my own Wordpress site so I don't see what's so hard about managing a server.
03:57
TOTALLY NSFW
but hilarious
Do these people also drill their own cavities? At what point do you just admit "I don't have a fucking clue what I'm doing here"
but I see a trend of small shops cutting their systems teams...
@Joel after the drill goes into their sinus cavity
it happened to me...
@ewwhite What's "small" to you?
03:59
and part of the rationale was that they got along before I came onboard...
Like, what's the business size and team size?
And revenue?
"The phrase sleazy and vile reminds you of our brownies??"
@WesleyDavid <100 peoples
50-user place. 20,000 customers.
Are we talking, quarter-million dollar small shops? Or ten million dollar small shops?
@WesleyDavid We're a 900-million dollar small shop
04:01
@Joel same as my dad trying to do plumbing. It ends badly.
you at least need some clue about what you can't do, and how to ask help ;p
size doesn't correlate to financials in my industry... I've been at a 14-person $20 million place and a 120-person $300 million shop...
but I had NO clue about the financials from the last place.
anywho, the lack of a real sysadmin left a lot of bad practices in place.
and now that I'm out, I can bounce this one issue out there... The guy I worked for was a mess from a vi perspective....
@ewwhite 4 port netgear hubs powered by wall-warts?
@ewwhite If they want to crawl along a dry lake bed, parched from thirst and saying "Look how far we got without any water," all you can do is say "Look, I'll even pour it in your mouth for you."
he routinely had 30-50 screen sessions running at a time.
@Joel . . . rabies makes water scary :(
04:04
I would see a server where he'd have 20 vim sessions open
and every time I needed to reboot or make system changes, I'd have to check with him to get him to clear his open files...
that's not normal, right?
A "certain coworker" of mine had the tendency to run Firefox AND SQL Server Management Studio AND SQL Server Profiler in a remote desktop session ON THE LIVE DB server
or he'd be sitting on something like /etc/resolv.conf for 90 days...
@Joel That doesn't shock me anymore.
@ewwhite I'm actually laughing out loud =D
@ewwhite why is that file being hand-edited
04:07
we had Puppet in place!
but it was the same for the puppet manifest tree...
you'd have vim .swp files on EVERYTHING in the puppet tree
@ewwhite i'd be killing all vi sessions at midnight
.swp, .swo, .swn.... .swb...
the dude was on some weird numbers thing... like muscle memory... he'd never close a file. For him, screen was like "terminal window 45, screen session 3..."
he even boasted about going years in the same IRC window...
but yes, firmware and server maintenance became an issue... and yes, I had to tel Git to ignore all of the .swX files...
but the point of this is that this guy was a dev with bad habits...
and was the exact reason why there should be a slight separation between dev and ops
@ewwhite Guy sounds kinda batshit crazy. And yeah, my place's first director had the same kind of wierd habits. And he was primarily a Dev guy too.
@ewwhite devs are all pampered prisses
stared sown nose
I remember getting to work with a dev at a particular organization
he was a superstar... $400k realtime C++ financial guy
and the habits were strange... also a screen-lover. But his .vimrc was convoluted...
and he had a BAD habit of compiling utilities he needed in his home directory...
like his own version of cough vi...
and perl...
and yah...
lots of fat-fingers...
04:18
@voretaq7 Fix that. It's making my tic come back.
"at my old firm, our home directories were snapshotted every 10 minutes" (netapp) "can you get the files I just rm -fr * back?"
@WesleyDavid . . . no :P
@ewwhite ...also no. :P "At this firm our storage budget is not infinite."
I worked to get him the same thing using ZFS... but yeah
@ewwhite sigh Whatchagonnado.
that was day one :)
anywho, I'm digging into my python...
04:25
Grrr... can't remember why I discarded Zabbix.
@MarkHenderson Remind me why Zabbix sucks?
Some guy just commented on my blog about Zabbix. I remember looking at it and discarding it post haste.
you haven't picked something yet?
Something about crappy SNMP
@ewwhite Yeah, OpenNMS. Don't worry, I'm using that as my core NMS.
Just someone dropped a late comment (probably a product manager) about Zabbix like a minute ago
Bottom comment
I'm pretty sure it was SNMP traps that sucked.
And graphing.
Not that OpenNMS is going to win any beauty or design contests.
Mighty ugly
To be honest, I'm still using Orca for easy to read Linux server graphs
I'm still surprised to see people using Ubuntu for production
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A: CentOS vs. Ubuntu

wombleThere are no benefits that I can discern for using CentOS (or RHEL) over Ubuntu if you are equally familiar with using both OSes. We use RHEL and CentOS heavily at work, and it's just painful -- we're building custom packages left and right because the OS doesn't come with them, and paid RedHat ...

@ewwhite Hey, @voretaq7 is surprised to see people using Linux for production.
@WesleyDavid not at all
I'm surprised when it works.
04:32
I remember that question... I still don't see the advantage to Ubuntu...
@ewwhite I don't see the advantage to either, except the support organization.
Would you rather have RH or Canonical to back you up?
Or screw them both and go for a third party support org?
hardware support on RHEL/CentOS was a big deal... It's because it was a better target....
when you're building devices, need specialized kernel features (realtime, low-latency, etc.)
But Ubuntu seems to be better for the desktop...
but then, doesn't Fedora cover that?
@ewwhite RH has a desktop version that's supported and has the same checks and balances for updates and third party tools as the server.
for RHEL, I've called twice...
Fedora is the bleeding edge lunatic fringe that comes out every six months.
I'm still on F14
Might go to F17 when it comes out in a month, but go XFCE instead of Gnome.
I really don't want to migrate though. Busy and don't want to deal with a rebuild. Maybe F18 in November. I dunno.
04:35
I got a change added to the Red Hat MRG realtime kernel... and the other was a NIC driver issue. Very specific problems.
I'm cranky and just want to use what works. I might be on F14 for the next few years until I get a new laptop.
Then again, this four year old XPS lappy probably has another four years in it.
8GB of RAM and I'm good to go.
Barely use HD space.
Mac :)
@ewwhite Thought about an Air, but the 13 inch XPSs are really nice and thin. I'd toast OS X off of whatever Mac I get though.
In using 10.7 over the last week with this mini, I'm not at all impressed with the OS.
I mean, it's cool... but I expected way more unicorns.
04:37
I have everything here!
I posted some stuff about it in chat a few days back - as I've been working with Darwin, I sit back and think "What the hell is this crap?!"
Office, VMWare, VNC, NX, 5 different browsers...
all of my GNU tools
Gah. I think this needs a tactical nuke:
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Q: Sharepoint 2010 restore onto a different server

BoBoPlanning for the worst. Want to be able to take a backup created using Sharepoint Farm backup in 2010 central admin and restore this onto a completely different server. Is this possbile? If so, how? If not, how to mitigate hardware loss?

Who did apple have to threaten to get OS X SUS certified. =P
I even keep a small Gnome panel on the bottom of the screen to launch Eterm
04:39
@ewwhite Yes, but you're a badass.
(brb)
@WesleyDavid s/threaten/buy/
@Adrian wtf is that I don't even...
BANG
Thank you. Talk about a WTF BBQ for reals.
@Adrian OMG WTF BBQ CLAMBAKE
@WesleyDavid - Zabbix doesn't suck. Far from it. But it is lacking in a few key features:
It always makes me sad to hit my daily vote max. =(
04:45
1. Out-of-the-box SNMP Trap suppor
2. Out-of-the-box MIB loading
3. Discreet IPMI sensors (which according to the bug report I've been following has *just* been canned as "Won't Fix")
4. Its graphing is great for historical values, but it can't plot only the latest value from multiple sources
Apart from those 4 things, everything else just... works. Immediately. Install is piss easy if your Linux OS has a package (Ubuntu's is pretty good). Configuration is simple. Deployment of the agent is simple. Your data collection setup is simple. And it has remote proxies that your machines log to, and then it sends the logs back to the main instance, so it can cache in the event of a link outage
@MarkHenderson Go on my blog and chew out the dude that just commented then.
Should this perhaps been asked over on SO?
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Q: How can I prevent Windows Server 2003 from trimming a process's working set?

PersonalNexusThere are two different, though I believe related, issues I have with how Windows Server 2003 handles processes's working sets. First, there are GUI applications running on the console session whose working set is trimmed, when their top-level window is minimized. I know it's rather unusual to h...

@WesleyDavid Sorry man, although it might not sound like it, I like Zabbix
There's no one system that does everything well, and Zabbix does almost everything well
@MarkHenderson Clearly you are inferior.
@ewwhite Oh, what do you think of Craigslist job listings?
Anyway gotta go cya
04:53
They're usually a bit rough.
@MarkHenderson Be good.
I look at indeed.com and linkedin, mostly.
@ewwhite I thought it was slightly better than hanging out at the street corner with the day laborers and hoping someone will pick me up to tune their NAS or something.
Yeah, I've been trolling LinkedIn. Had some good hits. I'd prefer contracted project work, but that's kinda hard.
I need to just get into managed / hosted services.
Do you have an infrastructure?
@ewwhite Nope, not yet. I've looked at I/O in town. At half and full racks. That's where I'd go.
Then, knowing what most clients I've worked with are interested in, I'd start with something in the email realm. Probaby inbound / outbound anti-spam and antivirus.
I do enjoy working around email and its systems.
Been looking at Cisco ironport 370D units
04:57
I don't have any ironport experience, but the Barracuda 300 is a good size and supports multi-tenancy well.
@ewwhite Really? I checked out Barracuda and multi-tenancy didn't seem any better than other appliances. I was assuming I'd have to drop my own front end web app in.
Because I do like Barracuda's stuff. At least the anti-spam.
oh, you'd want clients to manage their own filtering?
Last place I worked in I think had a 300 put in and it was great. At the 70,000 daily spam messages up pretty good. At the time the quarantine emails were kinda lame though.
@ewwhite Yes, to an extent.
That's the dream anyway.
I don't enable quarantine...
gnite gents. Time to hit the sack. The kids keep me on my toes and I gotta get my beauty sleep.
04:59
if you train well going into it, there shouldn't be a need. I think it just confuses users.
@Adrian Laters. Sleep well.
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