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05:03
You know when you do something so idiotically stupid you don't see any other option than to go and throw yourself off a cliff because you don't deserve oxygen? Yeah, this morning isn't going well =/
@sam How bad?
Restore from backups bad?
sam
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@MarkHenderson Nothing bad, just stupidity. Set SSHD to only allow members of the group 'sshuser' to logon, as soon as I did it all Nagios checks via SSH started failing. Spent 15 minutes trying to figure out why =/
@sam Only 15 minutes? Man, you haven't even seen a bad morning.
@sam Thats not so bad
I'm having one of those days where I just can't seem to get anything done
Have you ever seen customer lines at a public attraction go out the door and into the parking lot while the ticketing system is hosed?
05:07
One user has been bitching abotu their exchange permissions for about a week now. They're quite patient, I get a reminder once a day about it. But every time I sit down to look at it, BAM, interruption
That's a bad morning.
@WesleyDavid I've seen that at airports
It seems 2-3 times a year an airline here shuts down because their checkin system explodes
@MarkHenderson you fly virgin as well
Devops Borat just made me laugh:
"Goal of sysadmin is replace itself with small shell script. Goal of devops is replace itself with small REST API."
For Virgin here last time it was 2 days worth of having to process checkins manually
@Tacticus Haha nah I missed that one. But my Dad got stranded when Qantas decided to stop flying
05:09
@MarkHenderson qantas is the sole airliner in Alice atm guess what happened when they stopped flying
He was in Brisbane and needed to be in Adelaide the next day, and couldn't get a flight. So he hired a car and drove it.
Fark that drive
@Tacticus Shit yeah, people would have been pissed
I've done the drive to Adelaide from both Melbourne and Sydney and it's a slog. I wouldn't want to ahve done it from Brisbane
the bus companies were not
@Tacticus Haha payday for them
05:10
I did alice to melb in 2days
not fun
@Tacticus That's intense. I've done Melb to Alice in 3 days
(via Broken Hill though)
3 days and it's rather nice
though i spent most of the first day weirded out by the rhino on a post in SA
Anyone like Disturbed? This is the best cover of down with the sickness EVAR: break.com/index/…
05:41
@Zypher Should appreciate that ^
Any of you go through support tickets that are over a certain age and just dispose of them if they haven't been touched since you replied to the requester?
I've just spent the last 2 hours cleaning out the queue. Damn it feels good.
Closed: Abandoned
(only problem is that they get an email with the close reason, so chances are most of them will come back :()
@MarkHenderson Yeah, I look at context. Some are like "Aw hell how did I forget to check up on that."
05:56
@WesleyDavid Chances are those are the ones that fall onto the 2nd page of requests and never get seen
Or get put into "on hold" status and you forget to check the on hold queue (thats what happens to me anyway)
Start closing tickets with Hemmingway quotes.
"We're going to have a strange life."
“Please let’s not lie when we don’t have to.”
"You are all a lost generation."
Can't say I know any hemmingway quotes
06:12
Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
I can't make rhymes
Bratwurst & hermaphrodites
And with that, I depart. Night night.
06:37
Morning :)
Hail
Hrrm gluster is really the wrong solution for us :\
especially how we are configuring it
G'day
is the main site slow for anyone else ?
07:01
about 1 sec refresh time here
07:18
it seems ok now
07:53
BTW, does anyone know the answer to this? serverfault.com/questions/380986/…. I vaguely believe there is something in Linux you can tune, but I am not sure.
@Iain no, he's basically "give me the codez"
@pauska and worse than that, when given teh codez he doesn't want them like that
@Zoredache I have no idea, but i'd start looking in sysctl
Morning.
Dan
Dan
08:34
Morning yo
I'm doing VBS, please help me feel clean
Sorry, I'm mucking around with Exchange transaction logs, I fear I'd only make you dirtier.
i'm suffering php home work so can't help
Dan
Dan
'tis a tragic state of affairs
At some point I need to get this whole thing rewritten in PowerShell or C#, but it took me a solid week to write it the first time, so not a challenge I fancy
I figure that would be a good way to learn powershell, if you have a library of old VBS files begging for conversion.
Dan
Dan
Yeah, but it's also a bit of a change in thinking too
08:44
so very hungover :(
@Chopper3 What's the occasion?
long story
but way too much guiness
@Chopper3 Could I offer you some cream cake topped with banana slices and some hot brown sauce?
you could but I actually just need bacon
09:00
bacon, eggs, beans and some ice cold milk
best repair there is
I've been helping out our support desk lately with account questions
argleblargh.
you would not believe the amount of "I changed my password yesterday and now it's not working anymore! Help!!!!!!!" we get
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Q: I required to kno wequvalent command to check Curl command

uma maheshwari would like to know command equivalent to curl in solaris. As in linux curl command use to find the website activity.kindly let me know command to check website in solaris.

@Chopper3 Have you seen Battleship? watched it last night, good "switch off and watch stuff blow up" for two hours.
@tombull89 I reckon Michael Bay should do Hungry Hippos next.
@SmallClanger nah, gotta be Scrabble.
09:07
@tombull89 Is Rihanna nekkid in it?
@tombull89 not seen it yet no, though even the trailer seemed to have all the explosions in history in it
@SmallClanger Bay didn't do Battleship though
@pauska nope. got a bit wet but that's it :(
does anyone say "you sunk my battleship"?
pfo
pfo
it took me 1h to realize that battleship is based on the board game
Dan
Dan
09:19
@pfo 0.o
pfo
pfo
the german name is totally different :P
the litteral translation is "sinking ships".
Dan
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@pfo Not suprised insert war joke here
pfo
pfo
heck, it's a hello of a movie considering it's based on a board game.
but what's to follow - the settlers of catan?
mastermind!
you do know that there genuinely are lots of boardgame-based movies coming out in the next few years don't you
pfo
pfo
09:24
@Chopper3 really?!
yeah MB games sold lots of their boardgame rights to various studios about 2 years ago
sorry, it's MB and their parent Hasbro
Dan
Dan
@Chopper3 I was going to say, the MB games list is a bit limited for movies
it was after the success of transformers
I'll get a full list of what they sold, one mo
Dan
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@Chopper3 Hasbro own all sorts of shit, don't they
Dan
Dan
09:28
Jenga would make an awesome tower thriller.
they sold... Monopoly, Candy Land, Clue, Ouija, Battleship, Magic: The Gathering, and Stretch Armstrong as one package of films with some more in another package
@pfo recall it as a kid but I've not seen it since then
A Magic: The Gathering film? oh dear...
Dan
Dan
@pfo I'm sure that;s something else over here
@Dan Ludo?
09:30
@tombull89 Sufficiently Advanced Technology: The Gathering
pfo
pfo
yeah, seems to be called "Sorry"
Dan
Dan
@tombull89 Oh yeah, that's it. I was Googling "Lupo" :D
Is is the same?
Iol
there's a proud tradition of crappy fantasy movies
especially in the 80s
I'm dealing with a server crash at the moment.
HP ASR watchdog caught it...
and rebooted the server.
pfo
pfo
seen that happen a few times
ASR log didn't show anything
09:36
but I encountered an XFS filesystem shutdown...
and it happened a few minutes before the 4:02am system maintenance scripts.
and that deadlocked the server once they were triggered...
this all stems from a problem with the ERP application running on the system...
So... this is really a backup question
One filesystem... /data...
about 3 million files.
most are highly compressible, but there are a few directories that contain 200k-300k files.
[/data/prt]# ls -1| wc -l
274579
I'm backing up to tape. Nightly fulls... 585G
I can't change anything about the application structure... but I'm interested in other backup options.
(The backup software is Cactus Lone-Tar)
The issue here is that the backup window has ballooned to nearly 8 hours.
3.5 hours for the backup, 4 for the checksum verify.
going to LTO-2
Speed, with hardware compression is ~2GB/min
Incrementals do not work, since the application touches all files, all the time... it seems.
Hrm.. perhaps backup exec or netbackup could be a possible choice, as they support deduplicated file storage for backups
   29.1GiB [##########]  SPE0001.TXT
   19.8GiB [######    ]  SOD0001.TXT
    7.1GiB [##        ]  SOL0001.TXT
    6.7GiB [##        ]  PPL0001.TXT
    5.3GiB [#         ]  IT0001.TXT
    4.3GiB [#         ]  IM0001.TXT
    2.9GiB [#         ]  PEL.TXT
    2.4GiB [          ]  PLD0001.TXT
    2.1GiB [          ]  ASD0001.TXT
    2.0GiB [          ]  SOH0001.TXT
29GB .TXT.. wow, you got a great job man.
those are some of the big files... literally flat text files
for example, that 29.1GB file compresses to 600MB
I know that backup exec released a agent that can do pre-stage deduplication, so that only the deduplicated data gets sent over the wire.. uses enormous amounts of processing though
09:46
not tempted to backup to disk rather than tape?
@chopper3 The reason I don't backup to disk is that I'm subject to the full transfer size.
whereas streaming to tape takes care of the compression inline.
Unless there's a smarter way to do it.
With a more mature application, I wouldn't be dealing with 29GB text files...
For instance, if one user adds a sales order or deletes a record... that 29GB file will change substantially.
enough that incrementals on this dataset will be ~400GB
out of the present 587GB
I see, that sucks
I have a couple of clients who backup to disk... and it's just slow-ish. They have less data, though. (80GB total)
so, are there any better approaches to this?
The backup is split between these really big TXT files and their ISAM indexes... and then directories containing tens of thousands of print files and tiff images.
so the speed of the big files being compressed is offset by the overhead of lots of tiny file transfers.
It's almost like this would be better if I could do a block-based or image-based backup
I'm just not aware of what's out there.
Nada?
pfo
pfo
10:01
the question is how do you backup to disk?
the classic file based sucks
How should I backup to disk?
pfo
pfo
binary snapshot diffs
anything else is not scalable for larger file counts/file systems
Exactly.
I've done some complex transfers of these systems using convoluted snapshot+dd+netcat when I need to move data.
But what's my option for a regular backup?
pfo
pfo
what is a regular backup in your eyes?
For this app, I think some sort of daily or weekly rollup.
pfo
pfo
10:06
binary snap diff not possible?
I do have application-level transaction collection/shipping to a mirror server. 10-minute interval.
pfo
pfo
you need block level stuff
but the fs has to fit with that, right?
Right... so I have XFS everywhere. No LVM.
How do I do this?
pfo
pfo
you can't get the diff blocks of the snapshot(s) as a file with XFS
but you can in linux LVM?
pfo
pfo
10:13
nope
okay... then how can I do that?
10:48
And the system is back in production. It took programmers 1.5 hours to repair those TXT files...
fragile.
Dan
Dan
11:08
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WTF is all that about
Dan
Dan
11:26
That moment when you're working remotely and you do something that drops the connection. Feels great :D
11:37
/me runs around madly HATE MS LICENSING
@tombull89: whisky tango foxtrot
@ITHedgeHog: nearly everyone does ;p
I know, I know. I just needed to hear it again ;)
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Dan
@JourneymanGeek Nearly? If I ever met someone who didn't hate them I'd refuse to work with them on the grounds that they're broken beyond repair. Though that does assume prior experience with said licensing
@Dan: Precisely
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Journeyman GeekWell, the primary reason windows workstation won't do well as a server is restricted connections, and hardware. Its not the EULA proper, but this simplified version might be of use - the relevant part being "Device Connections. You may permit a maximum of five (5) computers or other electronic d...

one example of that
Then again, its written by lawyers
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Dan
I accept that things are different with software than physical devices, but I really hate the trend of being told what I can and can't do
Imagine if your car or washing machine came with a useage agreement
Of course this is the argument between licensing and ownership etc, but I still dislike it. Like the attempts to prosecute people who mod Playstations etc
11:48
Well, ya
well with PSes, its a modification of hardware
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Dan
Fair enough, design it or don't design it do something (i.e., my car can't physically go over 130mph or whatever) but don't come crying if I get my spanners out and add a turbo, and remap the ECU
@JourneymanGeek Exactly
but anything legal should be simple enough for the end user to actually understand
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Dan
Seems to me the only people who ever win are lawyers
yup
or people who abuse the system
like with the current patent wars
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Dan
Oh man, don't start me on patents
Talk about going against the spirit of something!
11:51
lol
I know someone who works for the patent office
gets pissed off when people critisise it
but how apple is using it? bad
Dan
Dan
Hehe
how MS is using it? Sneaky
Dan
Dan
Yup, it's all pretty pathetic
patent trolls..
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/04/patent_troll_targets_end_users/

Seen this?
11:53
I mean, seriously, Just, fricking INNOVATE
I'm starting to think Dreamworks are doing this deliberately:
http://www.empireonline.com/images/uploaded/madagascar3poster.jpeg
and making a square black rectangle with a smaller screen in it isn't innovating
or white, beats me
@Dan: see, Best case, they lose
worst case, they kill the market
For reference to the above:
http://www.eatliver.com/img/2009/4175.jpg
"The organization told Patent Examiner it doesn’t intend suing individual end users; businesses, on the other hand, are fair game because even a Mariott probably won’t think the reported price tag of between $US2,300 and $US5,000 per site as worth calling lawyers about."
In the old days, they called this a shakedown
bleh - why is installing an OS over iLO-mounted ISO so slow?!
11:57
cause networks are slower than physical connections by a lot?
>_>
also gremlins
(and solar flares if neither other option made sense)
I'm accessing the iLO card from the machine where the iso is stored - it's a gigabit connection between everything but it's barely using anything.
Dan
Dan
@tombull89 Yeah, I find it slow as fuck too.
it would be nice if you could pre-upload isos to the card.
@tombull89 Can you stick it on a USB stick on the host?
12:12
@tombull89 ILO is 100-megabit, usually...
Windows or Linux?
Dan
Dan
@SmallClanger In principle, yeah, but I'm guessing he's remote
Ah, could be a problem, but depends how slow it is. The round-trip time might be higher, but it's a hell of a packet size...
Dan
Dan
@SmallClanger Sneaker net :)
You know those "Days since our last accident" signs you get on factory walls? I sometimes think I should have a similar one: "Days since we last had to use a floppy drive."
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Dan
@SmallClanger I tried to use one yesterday
It read one disk out of 10
12:19
lol
What were you doing? Trying to play an old Lucasarts game?
I think i have a USB one...
@SmallClanger yes, certainly. Just that iLO is so much easier to use.
somewhere
@ewwhite iLO 2 on HP Windows server.
Dan
Dan
12:20
@SmallClanger Nah, going through my huge box of "Miscellaneous IT shit I've purchased, acquired and stolen over the years"
Didn't think that it would be slower - not much point having a gigabit iLo really.
@tombull89 (make sure you're up-to-date on your firmware!)
@dan Ah, one of those. I've got a couple of those in my loft.
@Dan: I call that the boneyard
My next break will involve fixing obsolete monitors ;p
Dan
Dan
12:22
@JourneymanGeek Well, mines much smaller. I spent 3 hours going through old CD's - damn, I'd forgot how crap CD's are. Talk about floppied - I barely use CD's for anything now.
@JourneymanGeek hey, I've got a 17" flatscreen TFT in my attic for my dev network - bargain for £20 when we got it.
@Dan: i got it down to a box and 2 cases
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Dan
I also found some old family photos my dad took of us on holiday back in 04. There were two separate photos of topless women on the beach which I need to have a word to him about
@tombull89: these have bad caps, i replaced them with cheap ones and they failed
pondering doing a complete re-cap of one, and just swapping the known blowy caps on the others first
@JourneymanGeek it was second hand - that's why it was so cheap.
Dan
Dan
12:23
@JourneymanGeek Not bad. I'm not far off, I'm a lot more brutal with throwing stuff nowadays. I just keep photos, personal documents and old games now rather than "Anything that may or may not come in handy at some pointer of the next 20 years"
@tombull89: we have a trio of old benqs from the office
plus.google.com/u/0/photos/106187684082000485043/albums/… thats my boneyard, sans the benqs and the cases
this is my attic, where I have my dev network and whatnot
oh yes, the SGI ;p
which i can't bare to get rid of
Dan
Dan
I lost all of my IT space in the house move
@Dan: I have space problems
12:27
big white screen, two microservers, dataserver and the slim silver box under the middle shelf is the DL360.
AND a lot of other shit
/me really can't wait to get a job so i can do computer stuff properly
@tombull89: If i can get these monitors fixed, i'll have more monitors than working desktops ;p
I just got an "office" to put one workstation turned vmware server, and my notebook when I'm home. And I have an old EEEPC running Linux.
The basement has some old things but I haven't got them plugged in. Old Macs, some spare parts, but not much.
That was back when I had a section of the basement to myself. Then the stepdaughter decided she wanted to move down there as "her room" while the wife complained I was down there more than upstairs. So I lost my corner of the basement...and she comes home from college and decides she'd rather sleep on the couch than "her room" because she left the space a mess.
hmm, current working hardware, i have two laptops and a desktop (i saved from the tip), one desktop i built in 07 (which has started having parts fail) which we share, dads laptop and desktop
and i sleep in a storeroom in effect ;p
lol
My parents moved my stuff out from my room when i was away
Your dad's laptop and desktop?
i don't know where a lot of it
er... actually laptop and netbook
;p
ya, he has two systems
one is crap, the other is tiny
I have a lot of hardware. A lot of that is crap ;p
12:33
@BartSilverstrim my parents had the attic converted to a playroom whan I was younger, if you went up there a decade ago it would have looked like a lego bomb went off up there. Now there's a lot more old stuff (toys/games, etc) up there. The photo was taken on a "good day" - used to be a real mess.
There are days I wish I still lived with my parents...just to save on bills.
@BartSilverstrim: I don't mind living with them, its the whole 28 year old still doing his first degree thing
@BartSilverstrim At the moment I'd be willing to take the finanical hit to get out - but I'd probably change my mind 6 months in.
My personal non essential expences are... under 50 quid a month since my parents disapprove of most of my hobbies ;p
I was with my parents briefly while the house was being built. I think it would drive my wife insane to do it still now.
12:37
Vague RAM question: Mixing single-rank and dual rank DIMMS in a system (DL380 G7 in this case). Problematic?
unlikely
but do test it!
(memtest ect)
I've seen so many systems that work with weird configurations while others fall over, entirely depending on BIOS and manufacturer, that I stopped keeping track.
As soon as you get one config in your head that says "that won't work" some bastard comes out with a system that does work with the combination.
Stick the memory in and run a memtest for a few cycles on it if it boots, then call it good if that's what you're stuck with using.
"Don't worry, it's never gonna be used in production" - couple of years later - "That's still running!?"
12:40
In this case it's wha thte HP memory tool is syaing I should do. Complementing the pre-installed 3*4GB SR with 3*4GB DR. It struck me as odd.
@tombull89: and no one realises this too
@SmallClanger no, no problem with mixing rank, may slow the bus down depending on configuration but so long as you're following the layout rules it'll be just fine - if you let me know more specifics I'll check it for you
@chopper3 Thanks. That's what I'm seeing on the results. It's a DL380 G7 (Xeon E5649) with 3 * 593339-B21 fitted as standard. Which are the single rank in slots A/B/C
was just about to check that, slots 3, 6 and 9 right
so just stick the DR's in 2, 5 and 8
Dan
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@tombull89 I couldn't ever go back home, but oh man the bills
12:48
Yeah. The tool suggest moving those to slots 2/5/8 and putting 3 * 500658-B21 in 3/6/9
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I have no idea how I spent my money before I moved out
@SmallClanger no, that's crap, you want the DR's furthest away from the cpu - i.e. 2/5/8 and the SRs in 3/6/9 - either way it'll drop from 1333 to 1066
@Dan I always look back and miss having money to waste.
And I wish I knew at the time I was pissing away money.
:-)
@Chopper3 Hah, and it also suggests it's one of the few ways to keep it at 1333. (Naturally, I trust your word above that of this tool.)
Dan
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@BartSilverstrim Yep, this exactly. I just look at how much I spend just to have somewhere warm to sleep (Rent, electricity, gas, water, council tax) and think WTF? Where the hell did that go before?
12:54
@Dan I do try and save a large chunk of my wages each month although there's always things that I'd like. I could go and buy a new laptop because I want one, but I know that's not a good idea - I only buy things if I can really justify getting them.
@Dan I think the same damn thing each time I get a minuscule raise.
The two microservers (and Belkin KVM) I didn't really need but it is (hopefully) going to help with my career in the long run.
It's like I get nothing. Then I remember inflation and realize I either broke even or actually lost money. That solves that mystery!
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@tombull89 I think I'm finally earning just enough to live the lifestyle I want. And now I'm spending ti all on a wedding, and will probably end up saving for a house after
@BartSilverstrim I've been lucky over the last couple of years with a bit of ducking and diving I've managed to triple my wages since 2004, but I know what you mean
@SmallClanger you'd need LV ram to retain the 1333, from the quickspecs it says "Heaviest load (DIMM with most ranks) within a channel goes furthest from the chipset"
12:58
I think, if I looked really hard, and saved for a couple of months, I could find a one bed flat but all my money would go on rent, food, bills and the car and I'd be left with very little spending money. Maybe I'm hoping for a bit too much at my age but that's not really how I want to live.
@Dan I don't know what your inflation is like in the UK.
Dan
Dan
@tombull89 I know what you mean. To be fair, I wouldn't want to live on my wage alone
In the states where I am, I get like a 3% raise a year, but when I last looked that's nearly on par with inflation. Could be off, though. It's not much.
I know they want to keep cutting that down now.

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