The Comms Room

Miles Erickson

00:00

@Adrian Z is absolutely right about that. If your PHP app isn't a cluster (granted, there's a reasonable chance that it is) you might well be able to fix it.

Adrian

Rest assured. What our PHP Devs don't know about PHP could also fill several libraries.

Mark Henderson

@Adrian I got banned from using PHP on a contract job

Adrian

no clustering even. But they wouldn't be able to figure it out. Only 1 Dev even understands Expect scripting, let alone Directory Services integration.

Miles Erickson

As I recently pointed out in I don't remember what context, I was a kid tinkering with web development when HTML was new and Rasmus invented PHP. It stood for PERSONAL HOME PAGE and it was an alternative to Perl for non-developers.

Mark Henderson

(which is fine by me. But they were so adamant about it it almost shocked me)

Tacticus

00:01

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Miles Erickson

The fact that PHP became the default server-side scripting language for the entire Web must have been some huge mistake.

@Adrian In order to not understand Expect, you would have to not understand a terminal session...

Adrian

@MilesErickson I know. It's scary. =)

Mark Henderson

@MilesErickson I read an article about that the other day. I can't be arsed finding it, but it basically said that if Facebook, YouTube and WordPress have made PHP work for them, it can't be that bad (although YouTube migrated away to Python)

Adrian

In ANY sane world, I wouldn't need to waste my time writing scripts to change passwords for them. But I do.

Gnite gents. Time for me to fly.

Mark Henderson

Cya

Joel

00:04

@Zoredache Not true if you're using TLS.

Miles Erickson

@Adrian Cheers! Knowledge-exchange offer stands, Vulcan mind meld optional.

Zoredache

@Joel Yes well, enable ldaps, TLS is more difficult.

Joel

@Zoredache LDAPS makes AD flip a shit

Zoredache

How so?

Joel

@Zoredache I don't even know! But it brought me to tears. TLS was easier to get working than LDAPS. There's some specific GPO that I'm required to have, which in turn makes TLS the only usable SSL option

Zoredache

00:07

ldaps worked flawlessly here. Just install an Enterprise CA, and let everything auto-enroll, and then it is working.

Miles Erickson

@Joel That sounds like a localized issue.

Joel

@MilesErickson Localized to what

Miles Erickson

@Joel to your AD

@Joel suggested: ^makes AD flip^makes my AD flip

Joel

@MilesErickson If it's possible using GPOs, I'm sure someone else has encountered it. I claim no mastery, but there is not a ton of literature on the particulars of AD LDAP and PHP

Miles Erickson

@Joel If you are the only person ever to have experienced a specific Windows issue, you are a unlucky man indeed -- nice rack or not. I just agree with Z that, in general, it ought to work fine.

Joel

00:11

@MilesErickson This is what I thought with existing libraries like adLDAP.php. They did not do what it said On The Tin

Miles Erickson

@Joel If you want web applications that are genuinely modular and behave in predictable ways, you might want to play with Rails instead of PHP.

Joel

@MilesErickson In particular this was for Kayako. I had no say in that decision

Miles Erickson

@Joel Yup.

WesleyDavid

00:45

Dependency hell... gahhh!!!

Tacticus

why am i thinking about modify the why not zoidberg meme to suggest a compile from source distro

Zoredache

I am trying to start up trouble over on meta.stackoverflow. I want a new close reason. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/129697/…

I have voted to close 5 questions today because in my opinion they were shopping related...

Mark Henderson

@Zoredache Yeah good luck with that :p

Zoredache

I think I have only cast 1 vote as off-topic, and one other.

Mark Henderson

91

Q: AutoReviewComments - Pro-forma comments for SE

No more re-typing the same comments over and over! This script adds a little 'auto' link next to all comments boxes. When you click the link, you see a popup with 6 configurable auto-comments, which you can easily click to insert. This script was inspired by answers to this question on meta....

script

@Zoredache AutoReviewComments is your friend

Zoredache

00:54

Yeah I guess, but if it is so common, that people generate user-scripts for it, then shouldn't people at least consider adding it to the main system.

Mark Henderson

@Zoredache I think it was FireFox (maybe?) who takes the most popular plugins and looks at integrating them into the browser by default

Or maybe that was Chrome

I forget

Anyway I agree, if it's popular enough to get a +94 for the userscript, imagine if that was released as a feature for 10k users

Ward

@Zoredache But aren't the close reasons site-wide, or at least close to site wide? Yes, there are shopping questions on other sites, but I don't think many have the same quantity SF does.

WesleyDavid

@ShaneMadden You're an Apache guru, wanna take a look at this? serverfault.com/q/380377/9770

Shane Madden

@Ward I think other SE sites have different ones?

Zoredache

@Ward superuser gets a lot. They have other features that can be enabled/disabled per site. Why not this one.

Shane Madden

00:58

@WesleyDavid K!

Mark Henderson

@ShaneMadden They have different migration paths, but the close reasons are the same

Ward

SU does, I don't see a lot on cooking or sci-fi or bicycles.

Shane Madden

Didn't English have something like "General Reference" or somesuch?

Mark Henderson

@ShaneMadden Hmm not sure? Maybe they just renamed "off topic" or something?

Shane Madden

Basically a "your question isn't cool enough for us".

Mark Henderson

00:59

@ShaneMadden I wish we had that button

Closed as "Yet another virtualhosts question"

Closed as "Yet another Multiple SSL certificates on a single IP question"

Ward

@ShaneMadden I've seen General Reference on SciFi, dunno if it's an explicit close reason, but if an answer is easily found on Wikipedia or IMDB it's considered too easy.

Mark Henderson

Closed as "Yet another Host my server from home quesiton"

Ward

I vote to close questions here that are easy and readily found in man pages.

Mark Henderson

@Ward No, Im going to take you on task for that one

man pages are notoriously difficult to understand for beginners, there's wayyy too much assumed knowledge in a lot of them

And the man syntax itself is even obtuse. You're required to remember an arbitrary numbering system to get the right man document

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson man | grep -C n stuff

Mark Henderson

01:04

I consider myself battle-worn in a Windows sysadmin role, but when I need to do stuff on Linux/Unix, even I seriously struggle to understand man pages

WesleyDavid

also /stuff with pressing n a few times does wonders

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid My point exactly. What kind of sysadmin new to the *nix world is going to know to do that?

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Yeahhhhh, but I dunnae think that ServerFault is the place for complete numbnuts in a technology to be asking questions. They at least need to be past larval stage.

Food! fleas

(brb)

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Sure, but when I asked a question about man I, to this day, haven't got an answer

Zoredache

These days I find it is far easier to Google site:linux.die.net man foo, when I want to look up something in man pages.

Mark Henderson

01:06

The answer was (IIRC) along the lines of "What, you mean you don't understand?"

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Q: BSD route(8) MAN page bug

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=route Route is a utility used to manually manipulate the network routing tables. It normally is not needed, as a system routing table management daemon such as routed(8), should tend to this task. ... BUGS The first paragraph may h...

freebsd route man

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid Seems like either that UFW chain mess is dropping it, or he's got no connectivity between the systems at all. I dropped in a comment trying to clear that up.. it'll crack me up if "machine Y" is something not on the same internal network as the server at all.

Mark Henderson

the only "answer" i got was a link to some bullshit other joke man pages. That doesn't answer my question

Hence my note in the edit history Bump. I came across this today again and I genuinely want to know if I need to be wary of the route daemon...

Zoredache

Is anyone aware of any tools, that would flatten out an iptables firewall with lots of complex chains?

Shane Madden

@Zoredache Nope. In the UFW case though, the ufw status or whatever it is should be readable

Zoredache

Right, but I am thinking one could do something with indenting, so when you a chain is used as a target in a rule, the contents of the chain would be inserted, and indented a bit.

I wonder how hard it would be to write that....

Chris S

01:36

(ASCII, pronunciation: /ˈæski/ ASS-kee;[3]) <-- Thank you Wikipedia for even making character encoding dirty.

Developers allowed to have a sense of humor?! The shock!!
Those heather must not be encumbered by corporate policy...

WesleyDavid

The answer is always MOAR LOGGING!!!

ewwhite

01:54

You guys are mean.

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Q: Need to downgrade from an intel xeon 5675

I'll skip my sob story and just say Oracle has weird licensing, and because of this I'm trying to see if I can avoid buying three new ESX host servers by downgrading from 12 cores (6 licensed processors) to 8 core (4 licensed processors). The servers have Intel Xeon X5675 chips now. What would t...

oracle vmware-esx licensing

This is a licensing question. Not shopping...

Adrian

lol

Oracle. Is a lawnmower.

ewwhite

and it's specific, since there are only a couple of valid options for a processor swap. This is a case of someone going down the wrong path.

WesleyDavid

John's new avatar is sweet:

John Gardeniers, Victoria, Australia

16.9k 3 16 54

windows windows-server-2003 mysql linux networking dns security

ewwhite

and the duty as an engineer is to help steer dude in the right direction.

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite Licensing is off topic too though.

ewwhite

02:00

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Q: Disable CPU cores in bios?

Is it possible to disable CPU (Intel) cores in BIOS, and if yes what HP/DELL (others?) 1U/2U servers would allow this? It is becoming difficult to find new server hardware with dual core CPUs, most of new servers are Quad Core ones, and so the cost of Oracle licenses makes server upgrades unreas...

oracle cpu multi-core

Tacticus

Wow oracles licensing really shines doesn't it :|

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Better than a 50-amp fuse ;)

I just knew he had a beard

WesleyDavid

He makes me want to grow mine back

Chris S

Mark Henderson

Gahhh, I love the new Motorola Droid Razr, but its chopping off half its multipart HTTP POSTs!

Nothing like digging around in wireshark to try and find the other half of a request

Ahah! re-discovers "Follow TCP Stream"

Shane Madden

02:13

Best feature ever.

Mark Henderson

Yep. More than 1/2 of the multipart form never leaves the phone. Sigh.

Journeyman Geek

@ewwhite I wonder if running stuff off higher end consumer grade hardware would be an option to that

Adrian

Well, I guess the primary difference between good companies and bad, is that good companies use lube.

Journeyman Geek

lol

MOST licences are purposely designed to be incomprehensible by geeks.. >_>

Shane Madden

It's very hard to order a server that doesn't get you hosed under Oracle's licensing these days

Journeyman Geek

02:16

suspects its the man keeping us down

Shane Madden

I had a request a couple years back for a single-socket dual-core server, but one with a ton of RAM

Not easy to do.

ewwhite

Weirdest server I had out there was a special HP model...

2 x Intel E5698 DUAL-core CPUs.

at 4.4GHz...

in a modified DL380 G7

Adrian

woah

ewwhite

so it was possible to get a lot of RAM in it.

Adrian

Did you use it for a furnace in winter?

Ward

02:24

@WesleyDavid Separated at birth?

WesleyDavid

Ward

@WesleyDavid I thought you meant the cutting down trees type of logging...

WesleyDavid

@Ward Pshaw. You know I'm from Oregon. We cry when pull up the Gladioluses.

Ward

@WesleyDavid Chainsaws are fine for cutting trees down, but a bandmill is awesome for cutting them up!

►

WesleyDavid

Maaaan, SF is deader than a goth party tonight.

ewwhite

02:35

gotta walk away from the computer.

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid I've been to some goth parties

They were awesome

I think you're confusing goth with emo :p

One of the best nightclubs I ever went to was a goth club.

Normal club:
*knock someone's drink*: "Hey! Fag-o-tron! You! Me! Outside! Now!" "Uhh sorry, can I just buy you a new one?" "Only if it involves you paying with a broken nose"

Goth Club:
*knock someone's drink*: "Watch out mate" "Oh, shit sorry, let me get you a new one" "It's cool, don't worry about it"

Ward

@WesleyDavid I'm tempted to comment on one of his answers "+1 for the awesome beard!"

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Mark Henderson

@Ward Would it be inappropriate if I left a comment about how I'd like to curl up and sleep in his beard?

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Ward

@MarkHenderson I think that might be mis-interpreted, so go for it!

Hell, just checked the Canucks site... 30 seconds ago it was 0 0, now the Kings scored.

Shane Madden

02:51

Ready for some more riots tonight?

WesleyDavid

@Ward Seriously - top seed, and they're 0 for 3 in the series to lowly LA? WTF dude.

Canadian teams are straight up sucking this year.

Still made that the Oilers and Flames tripped over their shoelaces.

Hosers.

Glad to see the Jets in the playoffs in their first year back home!

Joel

So it turns out I'm setting up a virtualization environment in a datacenter in Malaysia

Shane Madden

Pretty funny that the two teams the media most picked to win (Pittsburgh and Vancouver) both went down 3-0

WesleyDavid

@Joel Wow, cool.

Joel

@WesleyDavid Just played a 2-hour game of 20 questions with their tech team. Feels good to field each question with a valid answer

Adrian

02:56

best of luck. I found the Malaysians to be wonderful infuriating people to work with.

WesleyDavid

Finally I live in a town with an NHL team - then they move the stadium out into the sticks and no one goes to the games. Every year the Coyotes are almost certain to be dissovled / leave. Then they get in the playoffs and people think "Wellll, maybe...."

@Joel Is this for your main job or some sideline thing?

Joel

@WesleyDavid Main job

@Adrian Malaysia business lingo is very interesting

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid Well, they're gonna knock Chicago out this year - assuming they don't all pull a Torres and get suspended for supreme stupidity.

voretaq7

@Joel howso?

Joel

@voretaq7 My company is technically the Americas branch of the global company

voretaq7

03:02

that was supposed to be a reply to the biz lingo comment

Adrian

Malaysians are totally awful about never ever giving anyone bad news.

They'd rather leave you hanging for weeks with a customer shouting at you than tell you that they'll miss a deadline.

Joel

@voretaq7 1. Very passive-aggressive and 2. No bad news allowed

by 1. I mean that there's a subtle hostility to everything, moreso than the typical friendly American business chat

2. means that you have to put a positive spin on everything. "The database server went down, which is GREAT because we were planning the downtime for that exact time frame" etc

Adrian

not sure about hostility, though racism is MASSIVE there.

Joel

Well there's native malays and chinese malays

voretaq7

@Joel oh I despise that. Japan is the same way with #2. they will NOT say no, and they never want to hear it.

Joel

03:05

and their culture/mannerisms are different

Adrian

being an American of German extraction, I didn't got much of that. Some of my co-workers did.

The natives hate the Chinese too.

Joel

@Adrian I've only worked with the ethnic chinese malays, not sure how the native Malays are with respect to business

Adrian

I'd sit on the PMs desk for 20 minutes while he chit-chatted with his co-workers in Malay waiting for an update ETA on a deliverable they'd failed to drop in time.

@Joel AH. Yes, the chinese are different. The natives won't hire Chinese, generally.

WesleyDavid

Where's @JourneymanGeek to talk to us about Malaysian culture...

voretaq7

@Adrian Sometimes I want to have a co-worker who speaks latin so we could chit-chat in a language nobody understands.

Adrian

03:07

The natives have the whole island-time "manana" thing going.

Mark Henderson

Haha I'm going to a wiggles concert tomorrow with my son, but I neglected to mention that I was going with my son to our client

Journeyman Geek

hmm?

Joel

@Adrian To my knowledge they don't mind taking each other's holidays off.

Mark Henderson

I got back an email saying "You're going to a wiggles concert... that's not creepy at all"

Journeyman Geek

its not manamana ;p

Adrian

03:08

In at 9:45 and off the prayer at 4.

Journeyman Geek

its lah lor and so on

Mark Henderson

I need to be more careful what I say sometimes

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson hey man, the wiggles ROCK! . . . yeah I burst out laughing halfway through typing that...

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson "Do you have a trenchcoat I can borrow?"

Adrian

@Joel No shit. Drove me nuts that I had to cover the overnights whenever they were on holiday.

voretaq7

03:08

@MarkHenderson "Write everything down and read it over three times before you speak"

Joel

@MarkHenderson Force your child to like awesome music instead

WesleyDavid

@Joel DYING FETUS FTW!!

Journeyman Geek

@WesleyDavid: also, they have friday/sat weekends in malaysia

iirc

voretaq7

@Joel Good advice. I'm sure I have something suitable here... The Clash would make awesome bedtime music!

Mark Henderson

@Joel Hey the Wiggles are fucking awesome. I had my iPod on shuffle as I bashed out some code last night, and I didn't even notice that the Wiggles were in the rotation

Joel

03:10

@MarkHenderson I'm the last to judge. My favorite Pandora station started playing Ke$ha. I allowed it to play unimpeded.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Mark Henderson

You know what the best book in the world is too? The Cat in the Hat

voretaq7

@Joel . . . dude, there are things you don't admit.

Mark Henderson

I fucking love the Cat in the Hat

Mainly because I like the cat. I can relate to the cat in The Cat in the Hat

voretaq7

Well it's certainly better than Hop on Pop.
Really any book that requires you to wear contact sport equipment is kinda unsafe...

Joel

03:11

@voretaq7 ;_;

Journeyman Geek

lol

WesleyDavid

@Joel I listen to Ke$ha on Pandora too. And Katy Perry. And I also don't see what the big deals is with the Biebs - he's just poppy, fun radio music. I can listen to it.

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 Hop on Pop is funny "No pop no don't sit on that!"

WesleyDavid

I am a musical raccoon. There's no auditory garbage can I won't rummage through and eat.

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Journeyman Geek

lol

Mark Henderson

03:12

@WesleyDavid Pandora: Sorry, this service is not available in your country

Journeyman Geek

/me listens to.. proper music.. ;p

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Grooveshark?

Journeyman Geek

lots of which is lossless, and played through a cheap little audio workstation box thing

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid "Sorry, this service is being shut down due to massive and systematic pissing off of the record labels"

Journeyman Geek

is a bit of a snob

Mark Henderson

03:13

@JourneymanGeek Soem of the Wiggles songs are lyrically quite deep. "How can there be a book that can't be read" "When it hasn't been printed yet"

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Spotify?

Mark Henderson

(Well lyrically deep for a 2 year old anyway)

Journeyman Geek

lol

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid I don't know. None of them are probably available.

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson TheSixtyOne.com?

Joel

03:14

@WesleyDavid I'm similar. At some point I realized that thinking I'm too sophisticated for a given song/artist by no means disallows me from un-ironically enjoying it

WesleyDavid

@Joel I'm not even far enough along to assume I'm too sophisticated.

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"Are you ready to piss off some corporate circlejerkers?!"

"Would you like to live in mortal fear for your life?!"

Shane Madden

That's a risky job.

WesleyDavid

"Have you always wanted to destroy a long entrenched industry?"

"Would you like to make more money?!"

Shane Madden

Any of half a dozen lawsuits could put them out of business overnight.

WesleyDavid

"Sure, we all do!"

Mark Henderson

03:16

@WesleyDavid Well, most programmers are in the job of un-employing people

WesleyDavid

@ShaneMadden I'd do it! At least it would be hella fun. =)

Joel

@ShaneMadden I think it's legit nerd-cred though

Mark Henderson

It's something that most people in IT need to come to terms with

Tacticus

@MarkHenderson have you seen the peter coombe shows? held in a pub starting at 2100 and over 18s only

Mark Henderson

I suspect that's why a lot of people don't like us

Tacticus

03:16

rather odd

Mark Henderson

@Tacticus Nope

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson My job is to automate everything I do. If I do my job right I have no work.

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 hah. Well, last project we deployed, a week after the initial installation was signed off, they fired half their admin staff and then re-shuffled almost everyone else

Bam, ROI = 2 weeks

Joel

@MarkHenderson Good. That's a business that's not fucking around. I'm entirely convinced that some businesses forget that their entire raison d'etre is to MAKE MONEY

Mark Henderson

But it is a little bit sobering when you go back to follow up and the hot admin girl is gone and you ask why and it's because your software replaced her

Joel

03:19

@MarkHenderson YOU MAKE SOFTWARE THAT SUCKS DICKS?

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Mark Henderson

@Joel Hahahahahahahahaha well, EVERY girl that works at that company is tall, long legs, blonde hair and short skirts

He's got plenty of people to replace her with

Joel

@MarkHenderson But are they truly hot-swappable

Mark Henderson

@Joel so... much... innudendo.... about... to... explode...

Joel

@MarkHenderson That itself is an innuendo

Mark Henderson

@Joel INNUDENDO I N C E P T I O N

Joel

03:23

@MarkHenderson HAHAHA. I am going home now.

Mark Henderson

@Joel Enjoy the rest of your day

WesleyDavid

03:34

@MarkHenderson Uhm... wat?

@MarkHenderson I N N U I N C E S T I O N

@Joel Going home at 8PM? What kind of slave drivers do you work for man?

MikeyB

So new rule? Mention a beard, get a star?

Adrian

Still worth buying one of those TechNet subscriptions?

WesleyDavid

@Adrian Depends on what you do, but the two free support tickets that come with a sub are worth it.

Mark Henderson

@Adrian Fuck yes.

WesleyDavid

I keep a technet around just for that.

voretaq7

03:45

man you guys are pigs :)

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Lick me.

Mark Henderson

$500 to get your mits on almost every product MS has for cough semi-legit :p

WesleyDavid

Do I taste like bacon?

Adrian

Ok. Heard they'd chopped the allowed numbers way back.

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Since I'm a LLC and a MSFT partner, I use the MAP and get legit licenses to use for business as long as it's not directly customer facing.

Mark Henderson

03:46

@WesleyDavid Way too many acronyms in that

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid No. I don't want a hairball.

Adrian

LLC is a limited liability corporation

voretaq7

@Adrian The cost of a single support call can blow more money than you spent on the technet subscription.

and at least way back when I still had interaction with them MS was good about not killing your call until they were sure the issue was truly resolved and wouldn't be back.

Adrian

@voretaq7 Nice. We're so used to having no support at all that I'm not sure what I'd do with such a thing.

Very excited about how many Windows books are available on my Kindle too.

voretaq7

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Q: effective means of dealing with mistakes made by an individual

Placing blame doesn't seem appropriate or beneficial when working with teams. On the other hand, the management team's first instinct is to hold each other accountable. What is an effective measure of dealing with mistakes post de facto? How or what methods are most effective in terms of proac...

team

everyone go weigh in, since as IT weenies we're probably extremely well-versed in handling screw-ups and effectively investigating/correcting problems :)

(YAY public beta! I can post links here now and not have to pass out invites with them!)

WesleyDavid

03:53

@voretaq7 Same with me, last ticket I had to put in with MSFT was actually good. They stick to it until it's solved.

voretaq7

04:05

@WesleyDavid for all of my MS bashing they provide pretty decent products, and generally excellent support.

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Strangely, I find their Server line to be one of the weakest links. Their other Apps can be pretty good. Seriously, I just had to search for a .vbs script the other day. On Server 2008 R2. SERVER 2008 R2!!!

And what was it for?

Printer management.

Seriously, just line me up and shoot me down.

I need a hug. :'(

Oh, and it's 2012 and still no tail -f capabilities in a stock install.

And no logrotate

First person to say get-content -wait gets a hatchet in the crotch.

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid Printers are the antichrist.

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sam

@voretaq7 Not a big fan of MS products, except for from Exchange, which is useful. And Lync is kinda cool. And Active Directory tying everything together is useful. And SCCM is a good idea. And Powershell has some handy bits. And Internet Explorer... oh wait

voretaq7

I refuse to discuss printer management - I view attempts to do so as a sign of irrational insanity.

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@sam AD is kinda a clusterfuck.

sam

@voretaq7 Never had the pleasure of setting it up or managing it. Only worked with it from and end user perspective

WesleyDavid

04:11

@sam SQL Server is one of their best products. Awesome RDBMS.

sam

@voretaq7 I tried once on a VM but got very confused

Adrian

@voretaq7 please point me in the direction of a directory service that is NOT a CF?

WesleyDavid

@Adrian Sun Java System Directory Server or GTFO!!

sam

@WesleyDavid SQLServer was awesome. Spent 8 months as an Oracle/SQLServer DBA for a finance company. I hated working with the oracle stuff =/

voretaq7

Inside AD is a simple, elegant information management system.
It used to be screaming to get out, but at some point it was crushed to death under the weight of all the crap MS has crammed into the AD universe. Now it's just a rotting corpse.

Shane Madden

04:12

@voretaq7 Don't get me started on AD ACL objects.

voretaq7

@Adrian they all are, AD just has the worst scope creep of them all because it has the widest adoption (and thus the most fools screaming to put stuff into it)

Shane Madden

"Hey, our file ACL system works great, right? All COM objects!!! Let's graft that to our LDAP service!"

voretaq7

@ShaneMadden ACLs are a separate but equal clusterfuck.

WesleyDavid

If provoked, I will CACL all ya'lls ACLs.

Recursively.

sam

Try getting OID to sync with AD, that was a fun month and a half =/

Adrian

04:14

@voretaq7 Meh. But if probably works right out of the box too, which is better than I can say about the Linux LDAP stuff.

Shane Madden

Even the most die-hard MS sysadmin out there will nod in sympathy at the mention of AdminSDHolder.

voretaq7

@Adrian LDAP authentication (pam_ldap/nss-ldap, or pam-ldapd) works fine, installed and configured as directed.

Much like NIS/NIS+ it should be configured by someone who knows what they're doing.

Adrian

@voretaq7 Yeah. Getting the various distributions to play nice is a whole different kettle of fish.

time to hit the books. g'nite gents.

WesleyDavid

@Adrian huggles

voretaq7

@Adrian why do you have a heterogeneous environment? :-P

seriously though, those two PAM/NSS modules work on BSD, Linux and Solaris for sure. Should work anywhere PAM and NSS are implemented

Mark Henderson

04:22

@WesleyDavid And just waht is wrong with get-content -wait?

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Nothing. Except it doesn't work.

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid How do you mean?

WesleyDavid

It doesn't update the shell with content changes, and even so, it doesn't auto-scroll to the bottom of the document.

Mark Henderson

I admit I'm not its most regular user, but as far as I can see it... ohhh right

WesleyDavid

I've never had anything even remotely close to a tail -f experience with anything out of the Windows box.

Server Tools has wintail

Shane Madden

04:24

@WesleyDavid Feed a windows server log to splunk :)

Mark Henderson

There is a windows port of tail, but it's gui and it sucks balls

WesleyDavid

Stupid wordpres

Journeyman Geek

er

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Dog balls?

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid yeah ok you're right, it sucks. I just tried it on a 1gb log file

Journeyman Geek

04:26

You could probably dump eventlogs, and use a copy of tail off GOW

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Monkey

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Come, let us weep together.

Journeyman Geek

github.com/bmatzelle/gow

Mark Henderson

Hah blue balls. Man I remember being a teenager way too vividly

sam

@MarkHenderson 0_o is this something I've been missing out on?

Mark Henderson

04:29

@sam If you've never had blue balls, trust me, you're not missing anything

Journeyman Geek

lol

Mark Henderson

They're not literally blue, it's just a figure of speech :p

Journeyman Geek

If you do, hell yes, you are ;p

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid whut?

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Monkey balls are the new dog balls.

@MarkHenderson Proper blue balls don't have anything to do with not having a sexual release in the sense of "Man it's been months..."

voretaq7

04:32

@WesleyDavid STBY1

WesleyDavid

How much further do we want to go with this blue ball conversation? =)

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voretaq7

►

NSFW

sam

Just googled "blue balls"

voretaq7

@sam not a term where you're from?

sam

@voretaq7 I guess not, I've never heard it before

WesleyDavid

04:34

@sam You are truly deprived.

voretaq7

NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MONKEYS!

WesleyDavid

...

You have the weirdest library of YouTube videos.

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid you should watch the video.

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Says the man who wants a video of a lizard jerking off

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson YOU SHUTTUP THAT'S FOR SCIENCE!!!

Mark Henderson

04:35

ARGH OUR CLIENT JUST RESTARTED THEIR DATABASE SERVER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY

IM OGING TO KILL SOMEONE

WesleyDavid

And don't forget the one about the turtle molesting his water bowl. /cc: @voretaq7

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson WHEEEEE! REBOOT! HAHAHAHAHA!

Joel

Can someone explain the point of not being "allowed" to use an IDE for a software engineering course

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid perv.

Mark Henderson

I have never had so many tickets come through in a 30 second period before

voretaq7

04:36

"You were a lot better dog before I had you fixed."

Joel

Also how would the professor even know

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 I had no idea that turtle dicks were so... alien.

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid did you get to the part where the machine is used yet?

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Oh, you weren't kidding when you said you wanted me to watch it.

Ooookaaaay. click

@Joel Real men code with a stylus and wet clay.

voretaq7

@Joel learn to debug without breakpoints and such?

Joel

04:39

@voretaq7 "Recurrence" not "reocurrence"

@WesleyDavid This is Java. It takes several scribes just to lift the tablet and prepare it for markings.

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid Magnetized needle and a steady hand.

voretaq7

@Joel tell it to spellcheck which accepts both (or edit it if it bugs ya :-)

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 I used to have to debug javascript in IE6, which is before there was any sort of jQuery, console, and its knowledge of ajax whilst present, was pretty useelss. its line numbers were often 0, and when they weren't the chances of it being the right line where 1/100.

I hated those days

WesleyDavid

@ShaneMadden Kreskin style: A quiet room and an intense stare. spoon bends

Shane Madden

@voretaq7 You mean a crap-ton of print() calls?

Joel

04:40

@voretaq7 SPELLCHECK BUG

voretaq7

@ShaneMadden ayup.

Mark Henderson

And javascript errors were a major thing, becuase back then IE would interrupt with a modal dialogue stating that there were errors, and most people would back out at that stage

voretaq7

@Joel thesaurus.com/browse/reoccurrence

Joel

@voretaq7 Also regarding the five whys, would you agree that really complex problems deserve more whys than five?

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Okay, the deboning monkey machine was funny

Did I really just say "deboning monkey machine?"

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voretaq7

04:43

@WesleyDavid Why doc?

@WesleyDavid if you thought THAT was demented, check out Twitter in a few seconds...

killfrog.com/animations-of/34-animations/…

and on that note, goodnight!

Systems Engineer at Grooveshark

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