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@MarkHenderson You present a convincing argument
@l0c0b0x hexacore 16GB reporting for duty
I had an Amstrad CPC 6128 that shipped with a CP/M compatibility mode
@Joel try that working for a school district ;)
@l0c0b0x Sorry, but no. BTW, since you are online, is the connection to San Juan using fiber completely, or is there still a Microwave hop in there somewhere?
San Juan is all physical
00:03
Is that true for all the islands?
wait... is Microwave considered physical? oh gad, my head hurts.
@l0c0b0x Ugh ugh ugh -5HP -5HP -5HP
@Zoredache yes, all the Islands are served by opalco
I like it when remote hosts (without DRAC) come up after a reboot. I like it a lot. :)
Time to go home and chew a few Tums... :)
@AaronCopley Why doesn't the host have a DRAC installed?
00:07
@AaronCopley Rebooting those boxes scares me
@Zoredache r u getting the iPad3? I just ordered mine :) (Finally). Now I heard they're getting kinda warm though, RRWRWRWR
@l0c0b0x Stepdad has a new iPad, he uses it all the time (got rid of his laptop for it) and he says he doesn't notice it any warmer than his first gen iPad
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(He jumped from gen1 to gen3)
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@Joel It's one of the many things I'm working to fix.. The box has it. It's just not configured. This is the mess I inherited... facepalm
@WesleyDavid Oh, that's good to hear! Thanks!. This will be my first iPad.
@AaronCopley I know that feeling. It amazes me how the DRAC is the first thing on the chopping block when a server PO is too expensive. It's maybe $300 and it LETS ME FIX YOUR SHIT WHEN IT BREAKS
00:09
@l0c0b0x Same. We replaced gen1 and haven't noticed any extra heat.
Have not activated/tried LTE, yet. That might get warm...
I forwent the iPad 3 and got a Kindle Fire instead.
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@Joel Even worse... IT HAS THE HARDWARE. Some lazy ass was just too sorry to hook it up!
I managed to convince my wife to get me an iPad3 by telling her that I would give her my iPhone4 :). Now I get to buy a crappy <$70 one.
1) Install Skype.... 2) ??? 3) WORLD'S BIGGEST iPHONE.
@AaronCopley I inherited a DRAC 4 with the original firmware from the factory. No one ever set it up, logging in does not work. It is literally too old to update. I'd need a linux liveCD from about 6 years ago.
00:11
hah... nice.
I tried racadm, I tried the Systems Build and Update Utility, I tried hacking the firmware itself
it hates all of my libraries and will not run on any remotely new Linux.
That's surprising that the latest SUU doesn't work. Isn't that supposed to work on every thing?
But yea, I hate that the discs aren't liveCD's themselves.
Time to go home... Catch you all later.
00:38
What do you guys use for documentation?
Sharepoint Foundation 2010 is kicking ass in this capacity
@Joel I prefer wikis. ATM, Zoho's wiki is nice, but if I was to bring something in house I'd look at Confluence, SharePoint, or perhaps ChiliProject.
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@WesleyDavid I set up both Confluence and DokuWiki. Those got shot down in favor of SharePoint
@Joel DokuWiki, I forgot about that one. I need to check that out better.
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How many people use your wiki?
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@WesleyDavid 10 sharepoint users, about 4 content creators
01:08
anyone else here ever heard of credit karma? @voretaq7 recommended it to me (as well as a few other people i know) just wanna gauge people's experiences with their data/recommendations
@l0c0b0x I think I am going to stick with my iPad 2 for a while. The new screen sounds nice, but I don't think it is important enough to spend money on at this time.
omg I go for lunch and I come back and nobody starred wes for me
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Fixed
@Joel MediaWiki. But it's a bit long in the tooth.
@Adrian MediaWiki does not have the ACLs required for a robust, multitenant documentation system. My god I sound like a douche
@Joel Agreed. It sucks for that kind of thing.
01:24
Mindtouch might be what you want?
02:24
@MarkHenderson Have I become a meme?
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@WesleyDavid Join the club.
@PauskaSock Stuff a sock in it.
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@WesleyDavid MMMmmpphhh!
@PauskaSock How come you could pronounce his name correctly, but nothing else?
It should have been:

@Mmmpphhhhhhhh mmmmphmpmhhhhhh
@MarkHendersonmmmmmmphhhh Mmmpph!
02:36
Congratulations to our latest 10K member, Dave Cheney!
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Congrats @DaveCheney!
Over the top with his first answer in a year and a half - that's pretty cool.
02:50
I'm going to answer questions again. I swear.
03:12
@Zypher - I see from Kyle's tweet that you're also going to start cheating on the TCP slow start? How's it working?
 
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05:15
Salvageable? Or simply Duplicate?
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Q: OS Users syncing between SLES servers

Arun PrakashI need to sync the OS users between 2 linux SLES servers. Can someone please help me out with that? Thanks Arun

@Adrian I'm tempted to suggest a crontab that does rsync -avz /etc/passwd remotehost:/etc/passwd every hour, on the hour
@Joel While technically correct, if it doesn't ever need to be scaleable it's kinda marginal for being on-topic here.
@Adrian 100% with you there, scale is the difference between SU and SF
unless I'm grossly misunderstanding something
@Joel I don't think so. NIS is pretty easy on Debian-based distros. Dunno about SUSE though.
Time for me to sack out. Early morning & long day at the conference tomorrow. =D
Gnite!
 
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06:51
morning
07:08
Morning all
Got my new iPad today :)
Good morning, everyone
@jollyroger Hi
Good morning
G'day
07:26
@Iain It doesn't seem like noon in UK.
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Q: from svn to git (+ LDAP + password-less updates + passworded access control)

JayenWe have an SVN setup and there are some things we dislike about it and some things we like about it. We want to move to git, but we're not sure exactly what setup will work for us. We're currently using SVN (w/ Authz) + Apache (w/ WebDAV & LDAP). Hook to update the live site [like] Live s...

committing from live site as working copy. Just great.
@jollyroger ay ?
@Iain I mean, it should be 7:30 AM in UTC (your zone, depending on your profile), but you call it a day.
Mornign all
@jollyroger it's a contraction of good day - it's a timezone agnostic greeting so as to avoid the issue of my morning is someone else's afternoon/evening/night
@Iain ah, I see.
07:38
@jollyroger For example, Iain's arrival typically means I'm up too late.
@Ward you're an hour closet than usual atm but that will change on Sunday morning
my bike has developed a horrid click too :(
@Iain Really? You guys do Daylight Saving on the "old" schedule?
I'd like to move to AZ or somewhere that just skips it altogether.
@Ward yep - we're last Sunday in March to Last Sunday in October
I haven't touched a bike to ride or fix for over a week.
Every time we change from or to DST, the discussion heats up. "What's the point of this again?"
07:42
The weather's been insane - snow, hail, sun, rain... often on the same day.
@Ward we've had a fairly mild dry period
@KennyRasschaert we get the discussion about double summertime these days
@KennyRasschaert sometimes it's better to keep it the old way instead of "switching to w/o DST" forever. As an example: "Europe/Moscow" MSK tz is now UTC+4 forever, but its +2 here in Ukraine. Still these countries are neighbors and it's weird to move 200km to the East and change time for two hours.
I fail to see why we have to have different time zones to begin with
global time.
boom, i fixed it
@KennyRasschaert Pilots and other flying types do everything in UTZ aka Zulu time.
I believe China is all one time zone?
@KennyRasschaert and created a whole new bunch of problems
07:50
@Ward, no 5 timezones for China
@Iain That's what junior sysadmins do :D
Yeah, looking at a map, it's 5. I've only ever been to HK/Beijing/Shanghai, they're all the same.
08:43
Wasn't Soviet one big time zone?
09:09
Yet no badge for me :( I thought the badge calculations ran daily?
09:45
wow, it takes a while to install the vmware tools kernel modules on centos 6..
I think they're all compiled from scratch
10:02
@pauska Are you on a RAID10
@Joel huh? how does that matter? :)
10:33
@KennyRasschaert 1 wiki :)
11:24
Hey folks
11:51
Morning
Can anyone recommend a defrag tool that is VSS safe? I've tested a few defrag tools and they destroyed all my shadow copies in the past.
Hackers? DDOSing my servers?

*le sigh* its more common than you think
yesterday, by tombull89
Malware? On my server?
Interesting - is this your servers or your internet? Our ISP (SouthWest Grid for Learning) got hit hard recently.
luckily, no malware. Just a massive DDOS from China
The whole of .ac.uk is under 24/7 attack
WHat type of DDOS
SQL flooding, loads of packets ( can be spoofed, clogs pipes though ), SYN flood?
just basically loads of packets, and spefici scanning for open ports then hammering them with requests
12:00
they can all be spoofed
might not be from China
Well if it's scanning for ports, it cant be spoofed cause TCP needs an ACK from that port
we're fairly sure that the directed port scanning and attacks that the packet spam is trying to mask are not spoofed as such, though it could be re-directed through compromised hosts of course
but to just clog pipes you can use raw sockets to spoof your ip and flood
What is it they're hitting, website or something else?
turns out we have bigger pipes than most of the attackers
well they spend most of this week playing with a SSH tarpit we set up, but they are looking for open SSH hosts, websites, etc
Is the traffic making it to your server? Or are you going to block China's IP range at the gateway/hardware firewall?
oh
12:04
does anyone know of a piece of software to manage mailinglists with that can interface on openLDAP and mysql?
its been quite an amusing week really though they did actually make one of our proxies slow down a bit until I adjusted the firewall
China called, they want to know if you're mad bro
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Q: Building an SSL server farm

danI'm interested in building the the architecture in the article referenced below. I currently have a modestly-priced layer-4 load balancer and my application servers are the SSL endpoints. I want to put an SSL server farm in between my load balancer and my app servers. Then I will put another ine...

interesting question
arent there crypto cards for openbsd that can do ssl offloading?
12:24
yeppo - plus you can use Intel's AES-NI hardware to help with them too
@RobMoir This frightens me about using Amazon services for hosting.
If someone DDoS's your machine, don't you pay the bandwidth they chew through?
...spam filter caught a subject line "Humongous bouncing boobies." Couldja' be a little more subtle?
@BartSilverstrim that's... a good question actually.
The DDoS one or the one about subtlety?
both
12:41
"boobs as big as balloons" - yet, they don't say what kind of balloons. The kind they make balloon animals with at parties, or the hot-air kind you fly around in?
Oh spammers, you are so stupid yet making so much money...
so i guess they're not stupid, just pitching at the right level of intelligence for their target audience
I see a lot of "linkedin private message" emails. Spoofers?
HA...one of the emails is from "Donald Henson <[email protected]>" ... subject line, "{farm2:_sjb)"
Dumbass.
is this your weekly stroll through the spam filter?
Weekly? I've ignored it for months.
Just decided to weed it out a bit.
right
12:48
I was curious about false positives while waiting for AVTECH to send me a @#%^ password to their download site for their @#% software, in case it was stuck in the filter.
I already hate the company for their handling of software installs.
how so?
Oooh...an email for a discount Rolex. Strange...it's from me, to me.
AVTech does datacenter monitoring. Little box that you hook sensors to for temp/motion/power/etc. and it sends alerts.
i get the rolex one!
Is the box any good? I get that the software isn't ;-)
It looks like they didn't send a CD although the boss keeps saying they did, meaning he lost it (although I'm pretty sure one of their manuals said they no longer send CD's, you have to download it.)
12:50
BUT in order to download you need a password (their site implies it's a "default" password) in conjunction with the email address they used when you purchased.
never let bosses open packages. Nothing good ever comes of it
Unless you bought it from a vendor.
So now I have to submit a request to them, and apparently they don't AUTOMATE that because I'm still waiting and the "live support" link is "closed" at the moment.
wonderful!
This level of friction to get the software needed to FIND THE UNIT ON THE NETWORK is a definite screw you to the customer.
So I can't set it up, I can't do jack squat, until I get their software that I'm locked out of downloading. Despite it being specific to their hardware and "free."
just remember that its friday and you won't have to worry about them for a whole weekend
12:52
Maybe I need to start hanging out on Unix.SE.
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Q: Repurposed disk - Linux blkid command returns incorrect information

ewwhiteI'm working with an SSD drive removed from a VMWare ESXi installation. I'm trying to reuse the disk in an existing Linux installation (CentOS 6.2). The drive sits behind an HP Smart Array P410 RAID controller and is configured as a separate logical drive. When I first attempted a format of the d...

friday, friday, gonna get down on friday...
tomorrow is saturday and sunday comes afterward
Thursday came before.
did you ever see the "kids react to rebecca black" youtube video
its good
No...
My boss just told someone that he's restarting the filter so "don't tell anyone" but students can get full access to everything for about 10 minutes...why'd you tell them at all? /me scratches head
12:55
why indeed... maybe they just like to share the guilt
Better question; why does your filter default to Allow Everything when non-operational?
@ewwhite What happens if you just write zeros directly to the /dev device?
@BartSilverstrim Every time the R3000 restarts here, all the AD authentication die, and the group-specific filtering breaks until users log out/in. It's great.
@ChrisS Something that happens at reboot when reinitializing. It's a crap system.
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More spam subjects: "Hot latinas banged by Germans." That's a rather specific fetish.
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12:58
Do they go and put their towels on the sunbeds before getting started?
@BartSilverstrim Just had the same sort of issue the other day here and writing a meg of zeroes fixed it up.
Let me try...
Another spam says it was a "scan from a Hewlett-Packard ScanJet" and the email has a 3k, 5 page attachment of type ".HTML"
@tombull89 in the 70's
For me, the jury's still out on partition labels and all that jazz... sure it lets me reference the partition by a friendly name, but it's breaks about as often as I actually have to use the name.
13:04
enlargement...enlargement...penis...sample...enlargement...sample...->I see a pattern.
well the firewall thinks things have got quieter in the last few hours, I guess someone turned the wick up a bit on the upstream filter
When 3D printers become a common thing, I'm going to spam people with enlargement pills they can print. Hopefully those idiots will choke to death and spammers won't have any customers left.
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that would be great
@BartSilverstrim I tried and still get odd blkid output.
@ChrisS RHEL basically forced the use of UUID's. So I don't really do the labels anymore.
@ewwhite How goeth the good fight re: VM?
13:11
@ewwhite Meh, UUIDs are still a type of label... Well WTF is wrong with your server?
I mean, I can mount it using /dev/sdb1...
but I don't understand where the blkid information is coming from.
@Adrian I still have VMWare. Nobody is saying anything... so it's just not discussed.
Awesome. You just made me feel good about my crazy office situation. =)
The UUIDs are stored on the disk... that should have zeroed it out.
Whatever happened to ethabelle?
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Finally virtualized her?
She's around. I'm at home now. But she's at work by now.
@ChrisS The VMFS volume member is at offset 1024KiB from the start of the partition...
Dan
Dan
13:16
Afternoon girls
so I had to erase a little more
@ewwhite so count=256 works?
I just did 4MB as suggested by another answer.
Yep, see him now... stupid block alignments...
@ewwhite hell, do a 4MB with a 256 count
it's not like it takes you days :)
13:19
morning
Can you guys see this?
Yes
well facebook's privacy settings stink, but I was planning on having to re-host that or upload it here.
I know, you can link directly to images wherever you want
@Basil Yes, but trying to enlarge it wants to download the file instead of viewing it in the browser.
@Basil Oh yeah, there's no security on anything except dynamically generated content.
Here's the uploaded version.
13:23
Thank you?
Chris said he was being forced to download when clicking
@Basil Now I can read it. Including the sticker in the lower left, I need one of those.
@ChrisS That's a magnet
STICKER ALL THE MAGNETS
Who was doing webdesign work the other day?
@Dan desigg.com/textures In case you need texture inspiration; just stumbled across this.
Dan
Dan
13:31
@ChrisS Nice one :)
13:43
Apparently that's a distilled version of the tiles found on webtreats.mysitemyway.com
morning people :)
greetings
morning
Mid-afternoon
today's goal.... build a vmware environment in freaking turbo
13:49
Mid-Afternoon
Good morning Comms Room
on my 3rd cup of espresso... build begins in an hour or so
Anyone using GitHub Enterprise?
I'm waiting on my trial.
No, but I'd die for someone to explain to me what github is, and what it's used for
seems to come up fairly often on here
git is a version control system (like CVS, SVN etc)
github is a hosted version of it
13:52
with lots of nice features, user management, forking/"merging", in-browser editors, issue tracking, wiki, etc.
it's FOSS?
Git is.
GitHub is not.
Git is what the Linux Kernel uses these days.
IIRC, it was originally written by Linus
and the next big thing is mercurial
and then another one
and then yet another one
find ./ -iname *.bak -exec rm {} \;
Merc is older than Git, no?
13:54
would delete all .bak files recursively right?
yes but
find . -iname '*.bak' -delete
@qroberts ONLY ONE WAY TO FIND OUT
there's a delete switch? sweet
yeah
no one knows about it
i think it's a secret
find /* -type f -delete
do it do it
13:55
DELETE ALL THE BACKUPS
haha
@KyleSmith Cleverly hidden in the man page. shakes fist angrily at the developers
@pauska My coworker did that the other day.
@KyleSmith Your coworker shouldn't be your coworker anymore
@KyleSmith why?
@KyleSmith Your former coworker?
13:56
It was a typo.
it's not even close to a honest mistake
Nah, everyone makes mistakes :)
@qroberts - my coworkers and I actually had to play cards to see who got the privilege of pulling the power cables to the old SAN for decomissioning
wrong
hearing 200+ 10 year old HP hard drives go silent at once, is awesome
13:56
We moved a SAN last year (physically)
Then we found out one of the controllers had some bad memory.
That is not awesome.
@SpacemanSpiff That's cool haha
FYI a 3Par asks you no less than 4 times to confirm you want to shut it off.
shutting down our new VNX takes 20 minutes
it's beyond stupid
Remember that question yesterday about the guy who got root on a server? I had a dream last night about commenting on it telling him to do rm -rf / - and he actually did it on his production box.
I didn't know the easter egg worked in the body of a message...
I still think Equallogic has the BEST reset to defaults command
13:59
@tombull89 If you are dreaming about SF, you might want to take a vacation. :)
i can't remember the exact syntax but it's something like set system reset /pleasedeleteallmydatanow
@KyleSmith ha! We moved a MSA some years back. The one guy didn't realize they're quarter-depth disk shelves. When he started pulling one from the rack, he grabbed for a non-existent rear. Boom. On to the floor.
@AaronCopley Yeah, I was thinking it's time to take a break :P

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