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21:00
Linux gets about 80% done for us. It's the 20% that is nearly impossible and requires Windows TS desktops.
@Zypher And you have NO idea how much shit I get around this town for using anything except official MS products.
If the job market didn't suck so bad in Oregon, I'd move to Portland in a hurry. Serious Linux love down that way.
FYI ya'll, that supposed Linus vs RMS thread was a hoax. Here's the actual thread: plus.google.com/102865263115020893218/posts/UUaeh9t9uPV
@MikeyB he posted that back on SU
21:04
LOL, t-mobile just sent me what I suppose amounts to a test of the emergency broadcast system.
Anyone else get it on t-mo?
@WesleyDavid No Linus :(
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That did seem too good to be true, tbh
@LucasKauffman lol, he called @MikeyB MickyB
Ah, I can vote to close on SU too
That feels nice
@MDMarra p0w4h?
@LucasKauffman Is that like real ultimate power?
21:11
@84104 a bit
@Zypher @WesleyDavid I still see more breakage in Windows. We just upgraded the accounting server 2 days ago and it was absolutely painful. Random freezing of the UI, forced reboots because the whole system hung. Unacceptable.
@WesleyDavid I think we can all agree what's really important is the dual monitor thinkpad.
@voretaq7 Ever consider that it's your app?
I can't remember the last time I had a server that was hung and required a reboot
@MDMarra When an app misbehaves on my *nix systems my UI remains functional. Even X.
This was total you-cant-even-open-the-kill-window clicking-anywhere-does-nothing frozen-colder-than-ice system hanging
well that sounds like fun
It's been a long time since I've seen that. what version of Windows Server?
@voretaq7 That would be an exceptionally poor behaving system in my experience. That's not the norm. When you say "upgrade the server" do you mean hardware, OS or application?
21:20
@MDMarra Win7 actually
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it recovered fine after I power-cycled it (to its everlasting credit)
Accounting Server...Windows 7. I see your problem.
@voretaq7 i'm sorry but if you are using windows 7 as a server you deserve what you get
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@voretaq7 give me your moderator rhombus.
Now.
21:23
@Zypher @MDMarra For suitably shitty definitions of server ("The thing that runs quickbooks that the finance gal RDPs into from her mac"), I should not need to install Windows 2008 Über Ënterprise
@voretaq7 no standard should work just fine :)
@PeterGrace ok, but that means you have to handle all the flags from the bridge from now on :-D
I CHANGE MY MIND
also quickbooks ... uhg
@Zypher and would still be 3x the price for features we have no use for.
@Zypher Yeah, tell me about it. Not my choice.
21:24
@Zypher LOL, you know we're about to go through the QB fun shortly right
well technically I will be going through it.
@PeterGrace who is this we you are talking about?
(And actually in defense of QuickBooks it really isn't that horrible anymore. There are some nice features and even an API)
@voretaq7 Really? Really?
@voretaq7 err, standard is only something like 4-500$, vs 2-300 for a win7 lic ...
hahaha, exactly.
21:24
@voretaq7 Go sit in a corner and think about what you've done.
Ouch.
For any action there is an equal and opposite response from @Iain
@MDMarra @PeterGrace @Zypher @Iain but thank you all for exemplifying what i find wrong with the Windows mentality -- "You have to buy 5x the OS you need to introduce more complexity to solve a problem that shouldn't exist" :-D
21:26
Guys, how do you post here these awesome things like questions/answers/videos/etc? Is there a chat syntax guide somewhere?
I agree. I also don't believe I should need to install a server OS for what is effectively desktop software just because I'm accessing it via RDP.
(And, for the record, the hang happened when I was on the console, setting the machine up, and nobody else was connected to it)
@voretaq7 Seriously? Do you WANT to be chatbanned? :)
@jollyroger Chat will automatically inline some stuff if you post a link to it. Questions, answers, StackExchange blog posts, Amazon...
@voretaq7 ... wait, are you talking about just a local client install of Quickbooks and not the quickbooks server software?
@PeterGrace heh - am I wrong? What features of Windows 8 Server do I require in order to run QuickBooks?
21:28
@jollyroger chat automagically one boxes certain links
@Iain ah, ok.
yes. Just a local copy of QuickBooks Pro, that happens to be accessed via RDP.
When we move to Enterprise (probably next year) we'll spring for a Win2K*whatever* server license.
OK, that does not a server make
@voretaq7 oh ... yea that's different
you don't call a desktop without a monitor that you RDP to a "Server"
you call it a "Desktop For The Lazy"
21:29
@voretaq7 In the interest of fairness, you probably could have killed the process remotely if your UI was hung
@PeterGrace That's the role it's filling -- playing the part of "Client" in this little drama is a MacBook Pro running RDP :-)
@MDMarra with what?
@voretaq7 cough quickbooks.intuit.com/mac cough
Remember this is the ONLY Windows box in the entire company :-)
@Zypher That's it! Thanks
21:30
@Zypher yeah even I won't recommend that -- look at the feature comparison :-)
QB Mac is a farce
@voretaq7 hey man we arn't dealing with facts here
it makes Mac Office look good :-)
@voretaq7 well in that case, you're fucked. If you had a second Windows PC anywhere in the universe, you could have used taskkill or powershell
@Zypher Of course we aren't dealing with facts man! We're talking about ACCOUNTING! It's all smoke, mirrors, and... is... is that a unicorn?!?
Could someone help me with verifying if WSUS has definition KB2461484 as version 1.123.62.0 (this is yesterday's def update... and want to know if MS is just not releasing it yet through WSUS... it appears to be going out to check, but comes back with no updates for today)
21:31
@MDMarra If I had a second Windows PC anywhere in the universe I would have to start considering the merits of Active Directory. I'm content to not deal with that :-)
@voretaq7 Don't be scared. It's well behaved.
I know it is.
I also know I have negative resources at this point in time and trying to maintain One More Thing would mean not maintaining the systems that bring money into the company :-/
Money. pfff
Literally my calendar is overcommitted for the remainder of the year - there's more work than manpower.
21:33
It's about technology man, not money
@PeterGrace ?
@PeterGrace I'd rather be paid in Euros :-)
@MDMarra Technology (radmind) is the only reason the environment hasn't fallen apart already :-D
@voretaq7 So it's not a server, then. It's a client that you remote into. In that case, yes, Windows can suck bad. =)
IKR = How the hip youngesters say "I KNOW, RIGHT?"
@PeterGrace ah, right, I'm neither
21:35
@Iain it's OK, I only watch wistfully from the sidelines myself.
@PeterGrace Perv.
@WesleyDavid . . . tell me how this problem would be mitigated if I were running QuickBooks Server on an actual Windows Server OS and had a bunch of Windows 7 clients?
voretaq7's use case is valid
we're just saying the nomenclature is wrong :)
I'm really not actively looking for reasons to bash Windows - Win7 and Win2k8 are great - But I maintain that NO operating system from this century should be brought to its knees by one badly-behaved application.
@voretaq7 Windows Server tend to be better behaved in their handling of memory and multiple processes. However, that's becoming less of an issue as the codebase betwixt client and server is becoming more and more similar (presumably with the robustness of the server branch being shared with the client side, and not vice versa).
21:37
OK, gotta go grill some chicken. G'nite gents.
@WesleyDavid …but there was only one thing running?
See ya
@PeterGrace bye
tarra
Buying VMWare licensing from HP was so strange
21:38
@voretaq7 ...that you know of. =P And also, I would like to say that as a business owner who runs his entire financial world on QuickBooks, that is one massive heap of BS that can and will destroy anything that it runs on. Without forensics though, I'm just speculating. Coulda been a funky driver/hardware issue spiraling out of control in the background. Who even knows.
It wasn't like I was asking the machine to run QuickBooks, Excel, Word, Access, show a PowerPoint on the spare monitor, all while installing Windows Updates. I booted, launched QuickBooks, clicked "Update me", and about half-way through the machine just shat itself.

It made me sad :'(
They sent me an entitlement voucher. I register on their site. Claim the voucher and they give me a key. This key does not activate vCenter Server. This key is typed into a VMWare.com page that then emails me a key for vCenter Server. Seems very...inefficient
@WesleyDavid Oh no I totally blame QuickBooks.
@voretaq7 Oh my goodness, Michael. You updated QuickBooks?!?! ARE YOU MAD?!?!
@MDMarra We had the same deal when purchasing vcenter through dell
21:39
So odd
I'm just saying Windows should handle the fact that QuickBooks is a festering pile of shit written in FUCKING MACROMEDIA FLASH better. :)
Just give me the freaking key
@WesleyDavid APPARENTLY I AM!!!!
@voretaq7 QuickBooks updates are scary, scary things. But yes, if processes were better isolated then that kind of thing would probably not happen.
@MarkHenderson Ever re-apply to FC?
21:40
really though as much as I bash Windows for the sins of the software running on top of it - the OS has gotten MUCH better.
@MDMarra I did yes. They gave me a 2nd chance. I've had a homework test, and two skype interviews, and two more skype interviews tomorrow morning
Tomorrows interviews are with their Managing Director and co-founder
@voretaq7 Have you tried Windows Server 8? I used it for a few hours the other day and I almost lost the will to live
@WesleyDavid I was really just upset that I couldn't even get the machine to open a command prompt so I could kill QuickBooks. The app shitting itself is fine (well, no, it's not fine, but I wouldn't be as mad). The app taking out the OS is like the days of uncooperative multitasking.
Nice! Good luck, man
They progressively got better and better from 2000 - 2008R2, and then went and kicked us all in the balls by making us use Metro, which is just fundamentally broken, especially for remote desktop usage
@WesleyDavid are you using QB Pro or Enterprise?
21:42
@MarkHenderson Michael or Joel?
(although to be fair, their remote management tools are way better so you almost never need to log onto the server itself any more)
@voretaq7 Pro
@Zypher Michael. If it was Joel I think I would have shit my pants
lol
@MDMarra Thanks, I suspect I might need it :p
21:42
@WesleyDavid that's what we're using, but we have to upgrade soon
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jollyrogerUse a bridge on your dom0 (e.g. KVM Host) WAN interface. This requires installing bridge-utils package. Since this is Debian-based distro, you may configure it in /etc/network/interfaces: iface eth0 inet manual auto br_wan iface br_wan inet dhcp # Assuming DHCP to get address, otherwise mig...

we need multi-user functionality and the ability to have a QuickBooks server (actual server) that our other stuff can talk to for inventory management.

Or I need to write an inventory control system, which is just... NO.
@MarkHenderson it's generally 50/50 you get whoever has time that day
Did I wrote... er, to mich?
@MarkHenderson If I had gotten a "no" at an interview, I never would have thought "I'm going to take a month and learn the fuck out of something and try again at the same place." I'm sure that counts for a lot to them
21:43
s/mich/much/
@Zypher Does everyone get interviewed by one of the two of them?
@voretaq7 I'm considering upgrading too because I need to concatenate multiple invoices into one invoice / sales statement. Intuit is a master at upselling and castrating your software just enough to make you need the bigger version. It's Pro 2010, BTW.
@MarkHenderson yep
@MDMarra Well I hope so :)
@jollyroger you know you can edit your message by hitting the up arrow, right? :)
21:44
@voretaq7 thanks for spotting that
@jollyroger That's his name. Don't wear it out!
@Zypher That's interesting. I hate doing job interviews, so for them to have a hand in interviewing every single person they must be very dedicated
@WesleyDavid we were running 2008 until I did this upgrade, and we'll be moving to 2012 at the end of April
@voretaq7 Wait, your whole company runs on QB Pro? That's impressive!
didn't know before now. I should have guessed, so similar to irssi
21:44
@MarkHenderson yep, they tend to be that last interview too
@Zypher NO PRESSURE, DUDE
@WesleyDavid they don't do much - invoices, payments, arrears, and inventory on-hand
@Zypher I suppose that gives everyone else a chance to reject them without them wasting their time
@MDMarra mwahahahahaha
@MarkHenderson yep
And what's this FC you're talking about?
21:45
@voretaq7 I'm eating an apple, and literally stopped mid-chew when you said they use it to track inventory on hand. Wow you work for some ballsy people, dude. =)
Fog Creek
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Fog Creek
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@MarkHenderson which says a lot about you as you get there
21:46
@jollyroger @MarkHenderson is interviewing with Fog Creek Software
echooooo
Joel's first company
@jollyroger You're looking to relocate that far?
Or do they let you work remotely?
@MDMarra @echo off
@Ward No remote work. That was the first question I asked ;)
21:46
Oops, wrong reply person.
Wow, that's a big move
@Ward just to know what's going on in this chat.
@Ward Yeah, it is, but this is a massive oppertunity and I'd be a fool not to at least give it serious thought
that's just a rule for aussies. They don't want you drinking GOOD australian beer and petting your dingoes when you're supposed to be working.

We'd rather you come to the states, drink crappy australian export-grade beer, and pet our rats.
@Ward No kidding. I hear the toilets flush in reverse
@MDMarra This is false. Ive been to the northern hemisphere and it's exactly the same
21:47
@MarkHenderson Oh. Well thanks for ruining my childhood
@MDMarra Yeah, the water comes up at you instead of going down. Wakes you up on hard mornings, though.
I always think of the guy that relocated from here (Vancouver) to Rotorua (sp?) NZ and then had to move back 2 months later when the NZ company shut down the division.
Now, I'm going to ruin yours. Snuffy on Sesame Street is imaginary. Only Big Bird can see him.
SUCK ON THAT
@voretaq7 the beer they don't export is cold fizzy piss too :: RUNS AWAY ::
@MDMarra NO WAIS
Anyway I dont watch sesame street, we have Play School which is older than Sesame Street
21:48
Yeah. They changed it in the 90s because they decided it was creepy
And you pronounce Z wrong
But for a good decade+ he was 100% imaginary
@MarkHenderson wait, what?!
@MDMarra Like the Janitor in Scrubs. Season 1 he was imaginary
how else do you say it?
21:49
@MDMarra Zed
@MarkHenderson No. That's how you pronounce the head honcho in Men in Black I and II
You're clearly mistaken
@MDMarra that movie was the only time Id ever heard an American pronounce it that way
@MarkHenderson I only realized that you pronounce it Zed because of an All Saints song in the mid nineties. "something something something... straight to my head. Something Something Something... right from A to Zed"
@WesleyDavid Haha I remember that song
"zee" is ridiculous
21:50
@MarkHenderson you can always go to Canadia where they pronounce it zed.
@voretaq7 Yeah but they still measure things against other things
No FC office in the Great White North
Then I thought my Australian friend hated pee until I realized he was just talking about our HP servers.
@MarkHenderson in Canadia? No. They use Metric.
@Ward I meant to visit. There's not much in the frozen tundralands north of Albany...
@voretaq7 Yeah, us and Hong Kong are the last major strongholds on the Imperial system, if I'm not mistaken
21:51
Whenever I watch discovery, they tell me it "weighs as much as 3 school busses" to which I yell at the TV "FUCK OFF! HOW MUCH DOES A SCHOOL BUS WEIGH? AND WHY A SCHOOL BUS? WHY NOT A TOURING COACH? WHATS THE DIFFERENCE? IS IT FULL OF KIDS OR NOT KIDS? IS IT GOING TO FAT CAMP OR ANOREXICA CAMP? JUST TELL ME HOW MUCH IT FUCKING WEIGHS. IS IT CURB WEIGHT OR THE SPEED AT 100KPH?"
I very well could have just made that up, though
sigh Why do my users continue to attempt to download IE8 updates? Over and Over again.
@Adrian Because you let them? =)
@Adrian Why do you not want them to?
@MDMarra Fills up drive space and internet bandwidth pointlessly on Ubuntu servers and workstations.
21:52
@Adrian Oh. Forgot you're a Linux shop
Yeah, that's hilarious
@WesleyDavid Because our mgmt. won't let me filter their internet.
@Adrian Tell them you're running IE NEIN!
I hear it runs just fine in WINE
@Adrian Your management needs a direct hit with a clue rocket.
Joking, of course
21:53
@MDMarra ANd the Windows people don't have Admin rights anyway. Otherwise they'd have 83 IE toolbars on our database servers.
2
... quick, someone sketch together a Firefox/Hitler mashup.
@MDMarra YOU SHUT UP AND TAKE THAT BACK!!! TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT NOW!!!
@MDMarra =P
@MDMarra It runs better on ReactOS
@Adrian Your users log into the database servers?
21:54
@Adrian You let people log in to your database server?
@Joel Personally, no. Does our infrastructure that was set up by my predecessor, yes.
@Adrian KILL IT WITH FIRE
@Adrian Rockets acquiring targets...
FOR THE GLORY OF THE IMPERIUM OF MAN
2 more weeks and the new WTS setup is getting deployed and I get to rip ALL those accounts out.
21:55
@voretaq7 uses Win7 as a server. @Adrian's users log directly into DB servers. What the hell is wrong with everyone all of a sudden?!
@MDMarra B E S T P R A C T I C E S
@MDMarra well I was forced to have Windows in my environment. After that I sank into a dark depressive place with only Decaf coffee and no scotch…
@voretaq7 Sounds like someone has a case of the mondays
@MDMarra DB servers that use accounts whose passwords are sourced from our internal web-app that store them as plaintexts and has an internet-facing Apache.
@Joel Every day is monday.
21:56
I'm pretty sure there's about 800 SOX violations in there.
@Adrian brb haxXxing u
@Adrian ...fuck
@voretaq7 Is garfield really funny?
21:56
@Adrian you are a government entity aren't you? SOX doesn't apply, does it?
@Adrian This is why I don't buy from any small company on the Internet
I've never found it funny
@voretaq7 usually just after Sunday
because I know how small companies roll
@MarkHenderson not usually, no.
21:57
@MarkHenderson I bet if he were a kangaroo you'd be rolling
@Zoredache 501c3. Hopefully it doesn't apply. I've pointed out the stupidity of our current arrangement to sufficient numbers of managers, so it's not like they're not aware.
@MDMarra Kangaroos are vicious animals who, when you hit them with your car at 120kph, kill you
@Joel hey! When I had a small company on the internet all passwords were md5 hashed!
Because they're all muscle and tendon
PCI DSS may apply though if you handle any credit cards at all.
21:58
@MarkHenderson I saw a gif of a kid getting face-kicked by one. I watched it at least 50 times
@Zoredache I do know that it's a flagrant HIPAA violation, which does apply to the data actually stored in the app that is using plaintext passwords.
@Adrian HIPAA is nonspecific about password hashing - you could rot13 them and be technically compliant.
As a kid driving with my parents at dusk in the outback, come 5pm we were all on kangaroo watch, had to keep our eyes peeled (although I suspect this was also a way of my parents making us STFU) and if we spotted a kangaroo he would slow right down incase it jumped infront of the car. And one day one did, almost wrote the car off.
damn
@MarkHenderson we have that problem here with deer.
22:00
@voretaq7 A 2009 attack by Tao Xie and Dengguo Feng breaks MD5 collision resistance in 220.96 time. This attack runs in a few seconds on a regular computer
:D
Ok, I'm outa here
Cya Mark
OK, now ask me how long ago I ran a small company on the internet.
(Hint: MD5 was The New Hotness, 3DES was still considered excellent security, and FreeBSD version numbers were 3 digits!)
@voretaq7 Oh man, that definitely dates you. Hahaha. Was Linux still the fever-dream of a madman
@voretaq7 yeah, we just do stupid flipbit thing. And the decrypt function is built into one of the table views, so it's kinda pointless
22:03
@Adrian I lol'd. Then I cried.
@Joel yeah. We had about 9-10 years before we had to worry about that attack being conceived :-)
@Adrian rot26 -- Twice as secure as rot13!
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@voretaq7 Support/Qualify/Refute: People who don't know high-level math are ill-suited to make cryptography decisions
@Joel The last maths class I passed was when I was 16. I can haz build encryption codes?
@MarkHenderson That doesn't mean you don't know maths, does it?
@MarkHenderson crypto class is running now: coursera.org/crypto/auth/welcome
22:08
@Joel Support, with additional caveats.
@Joel bsdcan.org/2010/schedule/attachments/135_crypto1hr.pdf <-- Caveats, from an excellent talk by Colin Percival
pretty interesting there
Awesome. The new Dev fork bombed our web-apps' server.
@voretaq7 Awesome, reading now
@Joel It means that I still need help figuring out the non-tax portion of an inc-tax price
The greatest moment in my infosec life was watching Jeff Moss eat a sandwich at cal poly pomona
22:10
@voretaq7 I read this a year ago. Very good.
@Joel I get to see Tom Limoncelli give a presentation tomorrow. =)
@voretaq7 I like it. > The purpose of cryptography is to force the US government to torture you.
@Adrian :(){ :|:& };:
@Adrian Did you do your homework and read the pdf already?
@Zoredache That's his other presentation that day. I'm taking the Time Mgmt. tutorial in the morning and the Network Tools one in the afternoon. Though I'm also attending his Ganeti talk on Saturday morning.
THough I think I'm going to download the Test video from LISA tonight and watch that.
22:18
@jollyroger he has a bunch of blog posts on daemonology.net about cryptography (especially as he implemented it in tarsnap) which are great reads as well.
Should be good enough on a 32" TV. =)
@Adrian Where are these videos?
Neat, a whole bunch new stuff to watch when I am bored.
@WesleyDavid I'm slightly disappointed in the fact that your string from above didn't fork bomb my VM. =(
22:22
@Adrian Works in bash, are you using zsh?
@Adrian oh ... right that reminds me i need to submit a talk to lisa '12
@WesleyDavid Nope. Bash under Centos6.2
@voretaq7 Good read. Didn't understand 1/2 of it... but good. :)
@Adrian O_o
@Zypher Sweet. I'm looking forward to LISA '14 when it comes to Seattle.
22:23
@AaronCopley I'm told it made more sense paired with the actual talk :)
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@Zypher I've requested funding to go this year. Keep us posted if you're selected to speak!
@AaronCopley sure thing, either way I'll probably be there ... I think careers has a booth, but we are definitely sponsoring it
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Communication is an important thing in any team environment, and part of communication is realizing how your chose form of contact interrupts the other people on your team. Generally we get interrupted multiple times a day via our various means of communication. Generally we are available via: Phone (both land line and cell), IM, Group [...]

22:26
@blogBrokenhaze Whats with the weird capitalisation of the title?
@voretaq7 Possibly... When I graduated H.S. I wrote a basic shell extension for file encryption in Windows. Used open algorithms but still blew every one's Tic-Tac-Toes and what not out of the water. I thought I really wanted to get into it so I bought a book on cryptography. Yea... No. That didn't work out so well. Doctorate level math + H.S. graduate = "May I have a refund for this book?"
@Iain but, but, but... I did that already above and it didn't work! lip quiver :'(
;)
@WesleyDavid mine is more unixy
@Iain Doesn't work without the linefeeds.
@Zypher Awesome. The fact that it's at the end of the year may be a problem. I'm betting that funding is used up before registration opens...
22:28
@MarkHenderson just to screw with you :)
@AaronCopley Cryptography is too much of a catch-all term. Cryptography (the development of cyphers) is a different set of skills from Cryptanalysis (trying to break them - either from cyphertext or from the algorithm), which is different from "I implemented it in software"
@AaronCopley Yeah, good friend of mine is a Crypto Ph.D down in Portland. I can't understand even a 1/10th of the detail he starts talking about.
Right, as a 12th grader it was an, "I implemented it in software." but, spawned interest in the level on the development of cyphers. I was 17/18. I had no idea what a can of worms I was opening. :)
@Adrian Ohh, so that's what it was? It doesn't take it as a one liner?
@WesleyDavid Nevermind. I think I typo'd it. Using the VM's VNC interface and can't paste into the console.
sigh The Dev Mgr. just tried to shoot down my dept's efforts at escalation mgmt. by demanding that her entire team stay copied on all of the Support team's incoming tickets.
22:35
@AaronCopley yeah, I love crypto, but I know I don't have the math chops to do it.
I can barely hold my own with signal processing algorithms :)
@Adrian Fine, read-only. and SHE gets copied on them too :-)
when in doubt, give the bitch exactly what she asked for ;>
@voretaq7 Oh yes. THAT is what she actually wants. And she tried to balk on removing my team from her bugs too, but I can do that since I'm the ticket system's previous admin.
@Adrian In 2006 he received the Brenda Howard Award[1] from the Queens branch of PFLAG. the puns are undending
@Joel I tend to take that stuff somewhat seriously. Perhaps I've also lived in Seattle too long. The dreadful seriousness about everything gets to be a bit much.
@Adrian Not following you
@Adrian well I can see posting bugs somewhere your team can look at them
22:45
@Joel Awards from Orgs like PFLAG.
@voretaq7 Oh yes. It's Bugzilla. a totally open system. Everyone can see every bug.
@Adrian yeah, then you don't need emails. If you suspect it's a bug you can look it up like big boys and girls. Sounds like this manager is just an idjit
@voretaq7 Yeah, this is the one that will likely pink slip me the moment they are promoted. I'm not a consensus-builder, and that group is all about consensus.
@Adrian that's nice - consensus doesn't build servers
:-)
At least I have the self-reflection needed to understand that I'd suck at the job. That "CTO" slot hasn't been filled with an external applicant in 15 years. It's more than time.
And everybody that's held it has started out working $16/hour entry level too.
@voretaq7 And after further reflection, consensus builds pretty crappy software too, apparently.

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