The Comms Room

Bart Silverstrim

16:10

There, I gave up.

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Q: What is controlling the desktop display?

I have two Ubuntu systems and in the course of changing configurations something has become muddled. I have disabled Unity in favor of gnome shell, the older style display of the desktop. Then I installed xfce 4. Seemed everything would be working okay, and for the most part it does. Except I n...

Lucas Kauffman

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Linus Torvalds vs Richard Stalman

bitch fight on google+

Dan

haha, classy

Bart Silverstrim

burn

Stallman is smart, but obnoxious.

ewwhite

Is there a nice way to streamline ssh-keygen?

I have a dev who's asking to be able to do it without the passphrase prompts

MikeyB

@ewwhite yeah, just specify the password with -N

ewwhite

16:21

and a blank pass?

MikeyB

@ewwhite If that's what you want, yeah.

ewwhite

kk. thank you

SmallClanger

Wow. Is Stallman always stuck in FAQ mode like that?

MikeyB

@SmallClanger Oh god, yes he is.

Bart Silverstrim

There's a -q to make keygen quiet.

@SmallClanger You're not familiar with the Stallman, are you?

SmallClanger

16:22

He needs the fonz to kick him in the knees. Break him out of that loop.

MikeyB

So guys, I need some good wordage for a report to say to non-technical people: "Right now your backups are implemented using assortments of hand-built scripts copying your data to a NAS and an offsite rsync repo. This is fucking stupid."

SmallClanger

Well, I'm familiar enough with the Stallman message. Most people can spout their own credo in the right circumstances. It's just very odd that anyone would converse in the same tone.

Bart Silverstrim

"Your backups be whacked. I got a solution that be slicker."

MikeyB

@SmallClanger You're assuming that he stops spouting.

Dan

"Your backups are implemented using a combination of non-industry standard tools...."

Bart Silverstrim

16:23

@SmallClanger Again, you're not too familiar with the Stallman, are you?

Peter Grace

@LucasKauffman LIKE A BOSS

Joel

@MikeyB I think people know when their shit is stupid. You need a sensible alternative though

Bart Silverstrim

That guy is his own worst enemy.

Lucas Kauffman

@MikeyB "You are backing things up in a very inefficient way, it will cost you a lot of money if you do no accept my solution"

Peter Grace

RMS is just as obnoxious as many sysadmins

it's just that more people listen to him.

Lucas Kauffman

16:24

@MikeyB "I can do it like they would do it in the CLOUD"

Joel

I'd just like to interject for a moment.

ewwhite

You current backup solution relies on a set of in-house scripts that copy data to a local storage device, as well as an offsite location.

Peter Grace

HAHA

ewwhite

throw CLOUD in there and watch people nod.

MikeyB

@ewwhite Yeah, that part I got. I need the "why it sucks".

ewwhite

16:24

(nod approvingly)

Bart Silverstrim

@PeterGrace I would disagree. He goes BEYOND typical obnoxious for sysadmins.

Peter Grace

Just go to a LISA conference and you'll reset your obnoxious meter

Lucas Kauffman

He's just seems so much of a... hippie

Dan

@MikeyB Unsupportable?

Joel

I think he has a message that people need to hear, and taking an extreme position is the only way to get people's attention

Peter Grace

16:25

Although I gotta say, LISA '11 was awesome because I got to meet Jon 'Maddog' Hall!

Lucas Kauffman

"duuuude your sponsoring the corporations maaan"

Joel

@LucasKauffman He's the Jesus of free software

MikeyB

@Dan ooohhh good word. (backup scripts were written by previous consultant)

ewwhite

@MikeyB Then you change your tone... "The existing backup solution relies on a set of non-standard processes that copy data to a local device, then attempts to synchronize to an offsite location"

MikeyB

@PeterGrace Yeah, we had him at our Linuxfest a few years back. He can talk sense without getting all evangelical.

SmallClanger

16:27

It's weird. it's like he just tab-autocompleted most of those paragraphs.

ewwhite

emphasize the cobbled-together scripts...

SmallClanger

"Actually, it's called tab"

Joel

@SmallClanger It's almost like it's people impersonating and copy pasting, or something

Dan

@MikeyB Tell them it's the equivalent of having their, uh, fire instructions written in a custom language that only certain people can understand. Rather than something that, in an emergency, anyone competent can come in and take over. Maybe.

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ewwhite

non-standard, customized, unsupportable, one-off...

is the backup solution really a problem?

Joel

16:28

@ewwhite Designer! Boutique

Bart Silverstrim

@Joel taking an extreme position in other people's faces is a good way to be written off as an obnoxious nutbar.

ewwhite

You get extra credit if you throw "janky" in there.

Joel

@BartSilverstrim I wouldn't do it the way he does it. I do think that's his rationale though

Jeff Ferland

@SmallClanger My mother used to drink that

Dan

What's the reporting / monitoring like - that's always a good angle?

Bart Silverstrim

16:29

@Joel He has good reasoning, but only if you value your "freedom" on your technology the way he does.

MikeyB

"This is not a recommended approach as when recovery is required, the only people that will be able to do the data restore in a timely fashion will be $PREVIOUSCONSULTANT. With a proper backup solution in place any sysadmin will be able to do the restore with minimal familiarity."

Bart Silverstrim

Seeing as I don't have the problem on my Mac that I have just posted to the askubuntu SX silo, and the Ubuntu problem is currently pissing me off more than my Mac ever has, his arguments aren't swaying me much at the moment.

SmallClanger

He doesn't seem to notice that most people have the freedom to not give a shit, so long as it works.

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Bart Silverstrim

@MikeyB YOUR METHOD HAS A VIRUS. Let me fix it.

Jeff Ferland

CTO of cloud storage company tweets yesterday about how lost device re-affirms benefits of cloud storage. I'm not being smug and keeping myself from replying back that I left him a message a few minutes ago about a data breach investigation where information was posted by a user with a @thatcompany.com email address. Oops!

MikeyB

16:31

@JeffFerland He's totally wrong. It affirms benefits of OFFSITE BACKUPS.

Joel

@JeffFerland Sometimes I wonder why we retired the stocks or pillory

Bart Silverstrim

@MikeyB technically a lost device and not losing your files reaffirms the value of backups.

Offsite backups would be affirmed if you lost your device due to housefire, theft, etc. wherein your device was lost/stole/destroyed along with the backups.

Lucas Kauffman

@BartSilverstrim I know of a company that went bankrupt like that

Dan

@BartSilverstrim Actually, technically, fuck the cloud

Bart Silverstrim

I ASKED QUESTION 25 MINUTES AGO Y U NO ANSWER ASKUBUNTU?!

MikeyB

16:36

@BartSilverstrim Yeah. I'm just writing about offsite backups at the moment and didn't fully invalidate my cache when task switching.

Bart Silverstrim

@LucasKauffman like...?

@MikeyB ...you need to unplug a little while when you use references like that to refer to your thoughts and/or brain.

Joel

@BartSilverstrim I refer to tidying up as "garbage collection"

MikeyB

@BartSilverstrim But but but… they're so USEFUL.

Lucas Kauffman

@BartSilverstrim belgium company, a friend of mine who worked for the computer crime unit told me about it, they had backups on tape drives... but they got robbed and they took the tapes with them

Dan

I've gotta say, it's suprisingly sunny in Liverpool

Joel

16:39

@LucasKauffman How would the robbers know to take the tapes?

MikeyB

My favourite was when we were trying to explain to a friend the etiquette of bowling. After a few other attempts, I chimed in with:
"Pretend there's a semaphore on either side shared with the respective lane and you have to acquire both semaphores before bowling."
"Oh!! Why didn't you just say that in the first place?"

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Bart Silverstrim

@LucasKauffman One robbery and they were bankrupted?

Joel

Why is Stack exchange green at the top now?

It's different, therefore I hate it

MikeyB

@Joel It's blue for me.

Lucas Kauffman

@Joel because the tapedrives were lying on top of them, the tapedrive machine was on top of the server, the tapes were worth around 20 euro/piece, so they just took em with them

@BartSilverstrim they lost all their data

Bart Silverstrim

16:43

@LucasKauffman "More DATA!" - Johnny 5

@LucasKauffman O_o

in Belgium?

Aren't there like ten people living there? I think of Belgium I think of it looking like Whoville.

Chopper3

Bart Silverstrim

Just find the only other people in Belgium with backup tapes. They probably did it.

Chopper3

Belgium - done!

Lucas Kauffman

@BartSilverstrim 10 million

Bart Silverstrim

O_o really?

That's a lot of Who's.

Chopper3

16:51

so what, 20 millions waffles per day?

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 how about AES encryption?

Chopper3

ok, secure waffles

Bart Silverstrim

Blue waffles.

Chopper3

secure, crime-fighting, blue waffles...from the 80's

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 whos the guy in pink btw?

Chopper3

16:54

Your King surely? Plastic Bertrand

MDMarra

@LucasKauffman So awesome

TylerShads

17:09

I'm hearing talks about waffles...it pleases me

Bart Silverstrim

And Linux. Linux is pissing me off.

Chopper3

@BartSilverstrim the OS or the kernel?

Joel

@BartSilverstrim What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.

MikeyB

michael@challenger:~$ uname -o
GNU/Linux

Be careful or RMS will find you and explain you to death!

Bart Silverstrim

@Joel STFU

@Chopper3 The distro in this case.

Adrian

17:14

Where's a bearded hippie freak when you need one?

Bart Silverstrim

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Q: What is controlling the desktop display?

I have two Ubuntu systems and in the course of changing configurations something has become muddled. I have disabled Unity in favor of gnome shell, the older style display of the desktop. Then I installed xfce 4. Seemed everything would be working okay, and for the most part it does. Except I n...

desktop xfce settings desktop-environments

Adrian

mornin' gents. =)

Bart Silverstrim

$ uname
Darwin

Joel

@BartSilverstrim Have you tried starting from a base install and adding xfce only?

ie does it happen there too

Chopper3

$ uname
Phil

Bart Silverstrim

17:16

@Joel I'd rather not wipe what has been configured so far.

Scripts, SSH keys, etc.

Kyle Smith

serverfault.com/questions/372421/…

Curious, thoughts on the comments with Iain?

Joel

@BartSilverstrim Got it. I was just hoping you had another existing system as a comparison point

Bart Silverstrim

@Joel I have a second system, and it's working fine.

That's the first one in the question.

Both were basic Ubuntu desktop installs that had xfce installed.

Joel

@BartSilverstrim I meant a third system that only ever had xfce

Bart Silverstrim

I just don't know for the life of me what was altered between them that kept some legacy of a gnome-type desktop overriding the xfce.

Joel

17:18

anyhow xfce uses more gnome stuff than we'd like to admit

and it will pull gnome directives, etc to keep a desktop consistent

I'd delete anything gnome-related in /home/bart

also add another user /home/guineapig and see if Mr. Pig has the same issues

Bart Silverstrim

I've tried the "nuke /home/user/config files" approach. No joy.

.config

.gnome2

...there's a third one...

Joel

.cache

Bart Silverstrim

.gconf

I didn't think .cache would control configuration settings for things like the menu that comes up and the desktop.

Joel

Mine (on fedora) has a bunch of gnome settings in it

including the tantalizing "wallpaper" directory

Bart Silverstrim

just nuked it...

logged out...

Can someone tell me what a cache is?

just to reaffirm that I know what the goddamned definition is?

Joel

17:25

Cache (computing), a collection of data duplicating original values stored elsewhere on a computer

Bart Silverstrim

So can someone tell me WHY THAT WAS OVERRIDING THE CONFIGURATION OF MY DESKTOP?!

@joel: you go add that as an answer and I'll accept it.

I'm going to restart to verify.

seriously...WTF?!

MikeyB

@BartSilverstrim Since the data was in the .cache, it didn't need to go elsewhere to find it. (i.e. it was caching stale values). Failure.

Bart Silverstrim

@MikeyB Dude, failure for like three months.

That isn't my idea of a "cache"

voretaq7

bleh, so much work...

MikeyB

I dunno why the hell it needs to cache things that are available elsewhere in the same bloody filesystem. That just seems like a piss-poor idea to me. Blame Mark.

Adrian

17:29

@BartSilverstrim Aww. And I can't figure out a way to blame Mark Shuttleworth for that either. =(

Joel

@Adrian Give it time

Adrian

@Joel In fact, it makes me sad that it probably helps justify his position that Gnome needs to go and they should continue working on Unity.

Bart Silverstrim

Hodgepodge implementations...bloody hell...SEE WHY WE CAN'T HAVE "FREEDOMS"? YOU ABUSE THEM! This is why I live with a Macintosh dictatorship!

Adrian

Very. Very. Sad.

@BartSilverstrim How dare you desire to get shit done rather than play with the code and exercise your freedoms!!!!!11!1!!

voretaq7

@BartSilverstrim A cache is where you store the weapons you're not carrying/using at the moment.

Bart Silverstrim

17:32

@Adrian It means you need one cohesive vision with actual artistic drive motivating your design goals rather than letting every nutjob with a gnutard up his butt decide he'll have a compatible but better way to do something.

voretaq7

@Adrian OOH OOH are you going to throw foot-goobers at him now? Do a Stallman! ::claps hands and jumps up and down excitedly::

Bart Silverstrim

@voretaq7 My biggest fear is that I'd meet you in person and find reason not to like you at that point.

Joel

@voretaq7 How is he supposed to eat them if he's hurling them at his detractors

voretaq7

@BartSilverstrim I have a goatee...

for a little while longer anyway

oh yeah I promised y'all a picture of that didn't I?

Bart Silverstrim

I was going to say, your avatar doesn't.

Then again I'm a giant transforming dinosaur.

Joel

17:34

@BartSilverstrim And I'm some kind of brown man posing in front of a server rack

oh wait.

Adrian

@BartSilverstrim Yah, no kidding, eh? Fscking Hell. And you forgot to put compatible in ironic quotes.

@Joel Can I star that? Hmm. Might get me kicked again....

Joel

@Adrian You can star anything you want. As long as it's not dogballs.

Bart Silverstrim

@Joel You're brown?

Adrian

Since we're all outing ourselves this morning...

voretaq7

@BartSilverstrim my avatar actually does, it's behind my hand

Adrian

17:36

I'm a Pasty pale long-haired Pollock that hides in dark corners of the Admin building's basement playing with code all day.

Joel

@voretaq7 Your office is palatial

@BartSilverstrim The skin part, yes

Bart Silverstrim

What's on the necklace?

voretaq7

@Joel yeah, I don't know why they put me in a big office. But the volume of crap on my desk has expanded to fill the space available

@BartSilverstrim subway tokens

Joel

@BartSilverstrim His people use those as a form of currency

Bart Silverstrim

@Joel I'm colorblind. Unless it's really obvious everyone's just caucasian. Especially since i learned some call me "pink" instead of "white."

voretaq7

17:38

I like smaller offices better honestly, it limits the amount of crap that can accumulate

Bart Silverstrim

...I wish I had an office.

voretaq7

@Joel all I notice about your avatar is that your hair is too long

You get into a bitchfight with a vendor you DON'T want them to have anything to grab on to. Now, go slick some vaseline into your hair and get ready to negotiate a new service contract with Oracle!

Adrian

@voretaq7 He lives in LA. It's cool like that there. Here it's kinda required unless you're a Republican or a Hipster.

Holocryptic

That is indeed a lot of hair

Bart Silverstrim

I kinda thought "hair band" when I saw his picture.

voretaq7

17:39

@Adrian HIPSTERS SUCK

Basil

Again, a question appears in my feed reader that was actually asked in 2009 and recently edited.

voretaq7

(more than republicans)

Holocryptic

I hate hipsters. They're one step removed from hippies

Bart Silverstrim

I still don't know what a "hipster" is.

Adrian

@voretaq7 OOOH! I know that one. We have to take aggressive behavior management training. You bend the knee and twist out from under their grip.

Bart Silverstrim

17:40

I hear the term all the time, apparently if you own Apple gear you're a hipster.

Basil

@voretaq7 There about 10 thousand hipsters protesting tuition hikes in front of my office. I told some of them to get off my lawn while smoking behind our security guys.

Holocryptic

@BartSilverstrim Think hippie, but more emo

Adrian

@BartSilverstrim An urbanite jackass that dresses as a blue-collar worker and drinks shitty beer in order to fit in.

voretaq7

Bart Silverstrim

Oh, and it's good to see you again, @holocryptic. Glad to see your abdomen and/or weiner didn't explode.

voretaq7

17:40

@BartSilverstrim ^^ One of those.

Basil

@Adrian They also wear stupid glasses

Holocryptic

@BartSilverstrim I lurk :)

Adrian

Could be. Not very much here though since glasses suck for getting rained on.

voretaq7

@Basil Tell them their tuition will go up if they keep trampling the grass!

Bart Silverstrim

@voretaq7 Oh...no trust fund...no girl jeans...no vans.

No sunglasses, just my regular glasses. Don't drink beer. No hoodiewear either.

Guess I don't fit.

Basil

17:41

@voretaq7 We don't actually have any grass...

voretaq7

@Basil I'm sure the hipsters do...

Basil

haha

voretaq7

/me idly re-shuffles bank account fundage

Iain

I've just disabled code highlighting on all tags bar vb vbscript perl vb.net powershell bash sh shell-scripting if you want it enabling on other tags just ask a mod.

Basil

So I had a presentation from EMC today

Chris S

17:45

User: Setting the time on my cluster manually borks the quorum.
Me: Use NTP
User: We don't have a NTP server and I'm not setting one up.
Me: (smiles; knowing this guy just doesn't get it)

@Basil Did they synergize your strategies and cloudify your storage requirements?

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Bart Silverstrim

@voretaq7 Now you need to update your blog. Talk about THE CLOUD!

Chris S

@Iain Sounds like the right move to me. =] Thank you!!

voretaq7

@BartSilverstrim what does that have to do with moving money around?

Iain

@ChrisS something I was going to do some time ago but it slipped my mind before making it onto a list even

Bart Silverstrim

@voretaq7 absolutely nothing. Unless you have your money in the cloud /cue ominous music

voretaq7

17:49

@BartSilverstrim ING Direct count?

Bart Silverstrim

@voretaq7 ...um...I don't know. Would it?

voretaq7

@BartSilverstrim AFAIK they have no brick-and-mortar presence

Bart Silverstrim

Then your money is CLOUDIFIED!

voretaq7

@BartSilverstrim as long as it's there when I go to withdraw it.

Bart Silverstrim

Early withdrawal results in disappointment.

voretaq7

17:51

@BartSilverstrim Leisure Suit Larry fan?

Bart Silverstrim

Familiar with game, never played.

ING has "cafe's" as their "real" presence.

cafes.ingdirect.com/new-york-city

so not entirely cloudified

Jeff Ferland

@ChrisS WTF? That's the first thing I wrote into puppet; the first package I install on any server. It takes 3 seconds.

voretaq7

@BartSilverstrim LSL 1 - there's a sign above the hooker's bed that says "Substantial penalty for early withdrawals"

Bart Silverstrim

LSL?

Oh, duh.

That was in the first one?

voretaq7

@BartSilverstrim yea - land of the lounge lizards

Basil

17:56

@ChrisS Everything was described as "cloud-like".

Bart Silverstrim

Wow...1987.

Basil

Made me so mad.

Chris S

@JeffFerland Yeah; when he said that I decided to just walk away. =]

Jeff Ferland

urrrgh

escape time

Chris S

webinar time... I think the guy has a thick accent, I might not be paying attention all that much if so.

Bart Silverstrim

18:03

Isn't stallman someone voretaq would refer to as a "Freetard"?

MikeyB

So I'll just... nonchalantly... leave this... here...

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Q: Adding files to initrd makes linux not be able to read it

I'm using clonezilla-1.2.12 and need to add the Broadcom firmware to the initrd so it can netboot. (clonezilla is debian-based and debian no longer includes the firmware blobs as they're non-free. Naturally then clonezilla doesn't either.) (I can't use the Ubuntu-based clonezilla as Ubuntu has ...

linux initrd clonezilla

Adrian

@MikeyB You're using Debian, right? You tried dropping the .ko file into the proper location in your kernel's /lib/modules directory and do a dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` ?

fscking markdown

Joel

I always read initrd as "ini-tard"

Adrian

Well, at least markdown lets me escape characters. Good Markdown.

Chris S

This guy isn't the worst webinar presenter I've sat through, but man... find someone who can present to represent your company...

Adrian

18:17

@MikeyB eh?

@MikeyB lemme guess, my idea failed utterly and spectacularly....

MikeyB

It's an in-place live distro I'm trying to modify. I don't have the underlying structure from which to run that.

Joel

@Adrian It failed so badly it broke his keyboard

MikeyB

It really should *just work*…

Adrian

@MikeyB Sure, as long as a) the kernel's up to date and b) includes the drivers you want. Debian being notorious for not including IP-encumbered drivers.

And a reason that I dislike Live CD distributions so much.

MikeyB

Ooooohhh... if I just uncompress and recompress without mucking about with it, it still fails.

Joel

18:21

@Adrian Troubleshooting device driver issues on company time in the pursuit of FSF ideals is half the fun of linux

SmallClanger

@MikeyB: o O

Joel

@MikeyB Is there a CRC check or similar taking place? I know Dell BIOS installers do that

Adrian

@MikeyB OTOH, I drop in custom initrd images for our particular kernel from LSI all the time. Standard part of our install process until I can get Xubuntu 11.10 approved.

SmallClanger

Was just reading your Q. Does the file size/md5 change between the de/recompressed files?

Adrian

Speaking of that, what are you using to decompress/re-compress it?

@voretaq7 FYI, cpio doesn't have a real man page and points users to the 'info' page.

Thought you'd like to know. =)

voretaq7

18:27

@Adrian Mine does. ;)

MikeyB

@SmallClanger yes, recompressed -> slightly larger

voretaq7

so does pax

MikeyB

@Adrian xz / xzcat

SmallClanger

It's the boot loader's job to get kernel + initrd into RAM before the kernel is even started, right?

voretaq7

@MikeyB prrrrobably a different compression setting on your box than on the one that did the job originally

Adrian

18:28

@MikeyB Interesting. I usually use cpio for that stuff.

MikeyB

@Adrian IIRC cpio doesn't compress, right?

Adrian

@SmallClanger If a driver isn't in initrd, it can't use those devices at boot time.

Basil

SmallClanger

@Adrian right. What's the bootloader, and does it do something weird like point at a specific inode or LBA for the file, rather than the filesystem?

Basil

200k students in the streets

Joel

18:30

@Basil That's awesome, where

Adrian

@SmallClanger To be honest, I've forgotten most of that part. I need to pick up the books again and read up on that.

@Basil Very tiny students you have there.

MikeyB

Well if I gzip it instead of xz it, it works jest fine.

tombull89

I guess they're out of red bull and noodles?

MikeyB

… i

… in KVM. Now to test real hardware...

Adrian

@mikeyb Perhaps a silly question, does your Clonezilla have the ability to read drivers off a USB stick?

Basil

18:34

It's in Montreal

And yes, we're known for our miniature students

SmallClanger

@Adrian Me too. Been ages since I've hacked around with bootloaders. I'm pretty sure they're fully filesystem aware, these days, though, so I'm probably just adding noise.

MikeyB

@SmallClanger LILO used to do that, now the bootloaders are much smarter and actually read filesystems.

Adrian

@MikeyB Makes sense. Last time I actually HAD to muck about with that stuff was my last set of LILO installs.

MikeyB

@Adrian It's not in the initrd. And if I could modify the initrd properly… well I wouldn't have this problem :)

SmallClanger

It took me ages to move toward grub. I don't know why, now that I look back. LILO used to treat me like a bitch...

LI
(fffffuuuuuuu)

MikeyB

18:37

@SmallClanger LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO LILO …

ewwhite

LIL-

Adrian

@MikeyB Granted, I'm also at the Googling stuff phase on this now, but have you checked this? packetwatch.net/documents/guides/2009062601.php

SmallClanger

Come on, markdown, that was two characters....

MikeyB

@Adrian That's well and good, except that I'm netbooting. :)

Anyways, it's solved. Use gzip instead of xz.

Looks like my xz does some shit that's not compatible with that particular decompressor

Adrian

@MikeyB Ah, I didn't catch that part. Sorry.

WesleyDavid

18:39

closes all client tickets with Reason: "ANGRY BIRDS IN SPACE!!"

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MikeyB

@Adrian No worries, good suggestions.

Adrian

Wish my days were filled with more stuff like that one. Instead I spend it writing automation scripts to code around the recalcitrant internal web-app that they won't integrate with anything else.

Kyle Smith

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Q: Difference between Seagate Expansion and GoFlex HDD

What are the significant differences between Seagate Expansion Portable 1 TB USB 3.0 (Model STAX1000302) and Seagate Free Agent GoFlex 1TB USB 3.0 (Model STAA1000302) except Data Encryption? I found Expansion models are cheaper. Regards, Arindam

external-hdd seagate expansion portable-harddrive

Does the submit a question page for new users say to read the FAQ?

MDMarra

@KyleSmith No, but as a low rep user, there is a banner that prompts them to when they visit the page

WesleyDavid

@Holocryptic Whoa, I just found out that Dell bought AppAssure.

MikeyB

18:51

Would it be smarmy to answer that question with the output of:

diff -u <(curl http://www.seagate.com/www/en-au/products/external/expansion/expansion_portable/) <(curl http://www.seagate.com/www/en-au/products/external/external-hard-drive/portable-hard-drive/)

Nooooooooooooes! I was just about to submit.

Zypher

@MikeyB awww poor thing

MikeyB

Oh, I'm such a cracker. I posted an answer after it was closed.

The first one is portable, whereas the second one is ULTRA-PORTABLE!

Would that question actually be good for SU?

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