The Comms Room

TylerShads

13:00

@KennyRasschaert Old router is old o.x wow EoS was in 2002

Kenny Rasschaert

Would one of these bring me closer to the current age of networking? ebay.com/itm/160579939696

TylerShads

thats got to be it, the damn controller isn't compatable

Chris S

@KennyRasschaert google.com/…

pauska

@KennyRasschaert I'm not sure if that would help you at all (if this is for a CCNA/CCNP lab), if that old router doesn't support the required IOS version

if if if

Kenny Rasschaert

I'd be happy to see some packets flowing in and out

i can catch up to the newer ios stuff with packet tracer and gns3

assuming the differences aren't astronomical

thanks @ChrisS those things are dirt cheap, too

Chris S

13:19

AUI reminds me of the dark days of networking cards... boot ROMs and driver hell.

Peter Grace

Crap. I hate when I commit to doing stuff for someone and then forget what it is

Basil

Apparently we're beta testing the Quantum VTL :(

Lucas Kauffman

13:36

@Basil what's that?

Bart Silverstrim

Another fun symptom of the disease afflicting public education. thedailyreview.com/news/kite-runner-approval-defeated-1.1288512

@TylerShads I HAD THIS PROBLEM

Chris S

@LucasKauffman Virtual Tape Library - Software that looks like a tape library and stores the data on disk (usually)

Bart Silverstrim

ESXi 5? @tylershads

Basil

@LucasKauffman A rinky dink little vtl we were hoping to dislodge data domain with.

Lucas Kauffman

@BartSilverstrim USA --> biggest porn producer in the world, CENSOR ALL THE BOOKS FOR TEENS

Chris S

13:39

Really useful for backup software that will only talk to tapes. Not really useful for anything else.

@LucasKauffman Likely the largest consumer too.

Bart Silverstrim

@tylershads: if using 5, it doesn't have the driver out of box and the company promised it like 6 months ago.

Downgrade to 4.x, it's supported out of box.

Lucas Kauffman

@ChrisS why not just change to software that backs up to disks o.O?

Bart Silverstrim

@LucasKauffman Because we MUST PROTECT THE CHILDREN by not acknowledging where they came from.

Chris S

@LucasKauffman There's usually a lot of non-technical reasons... You're not responsible for the software, so you can't change it... It's "tightly integrated" with some other systems... Costs too much.... etc

Kenny Rasschaert

@BartSilverstrim The "omg sodomy" argument aside, this part really bothered me:

Grace added that he was also concerned because he said the book suggests that a character "was thinking about suicide."

He said he didn't think it was "something we should be putting into our kids' heads, especially ones that are already going through things exactly like this."

TylerShads

13:43

@BartSilverstrim yeah, 5.0

Kenny Rasschaert

Let's pretent suicide doesn't exist. We wouldn't want to give them any ideas!

Journeyman Geek

lol

thinking of it, happens

Chris S

Bart Silverstrim

@TylerShads I have an old LSI type controller for a testbed system I was using. The 5.0 ESX doesn't support out of box, and you have to jump through hoops to try getting a driver to work.

4.x supports it without any modifications, right out of box.

TylerShads

@BartSilverstrim kk thanks =]

Bart Silverstrim

13:44

Install, works slick as eel snot.

TylerShads

delicious!

Bart Silverstrim

@KennyRasschaert The worst part is I can't comment on it because it would get traced back to me if I piss someone off.

Seeing as we're close geographically as districts... :-/

THEY'RE WRONG ON THE INTERNET... and I can't tell them so

Kenny Rasschaert

better start blogging anonymously!

TylerShads

And of course, vmware will only let me download 5.x as a trial, fuckers.

Kenny Rasschaert

Wasn't ESXi free?

TylerShads

13:47

if it is, i have to jump through a ton of hoops on their site to find it

or they could hide the link in plain sight

Kenny Rasschaert

They're hoping that along the way you accidentally trip over the "buy now" button.

Chris S

@KennyRasschaert Yeah; but VMware is distancing themselves from the freeloaders and concentrating on the people buying vSphere and all that jazz. So the free stuff is getting much harder to find IMO.

Bart Silverstrim

ESXi is free.

Journeyman Geek

@ChrisS: which makes me a little sad

Bart Silverstrim

It's in plain sight. You need to look for esxi 4 download.

Journeyman Geek

13:49

I got into messing with VMs properly with vmware player (there's even a hackaday post under the name faileas i wrote) ;p

Bart Silverstrim

You need an account on vmware to get it, though.

TylerShads

OMFG I HAVEN'T REGISTERED, OF COURSE! How foolish I am that I need to register for each individual product I wish to download

Bart Silverstrim

It shouldn't be for each one, as your one account will access all of them.

Kenny Rasschaert

I didn't find out about virtualization until virtualbox2, I'm afraid.

TylerShads

Because having 1 registration for everything doesn't make sense.

jscott

13:49

@TylerShads BugMeNot extension

Bart Silverstrim

but it does have a tendency to forget things.

My one account got 3.5, 4.1 and 5.0.

TylerShads

yay 394MB file across a t1....time for strippers?

Kenny Rasschaert

and blackjack! and hookers!

in fact, forget about the file

pauska

T1? Living in 1998 or something like that?

Chris S

Finally found the registration page to download it vmware.com/tryvmware/index.php?p=free-esxi5&lp=default

TylerShads

13:51

@pauska "faster internet leads to lazy workers" says my boss...

Chris S

It really shouldn't take that long to find.... Their site is information (I'm being loose with the word, it's really all sales pitch) oriented.

TylerShads

@ChrisS Got it already, thanks :)

pauska

@TylerShads Yeah, it's much more productive to sit and wait for stuff

Journeyman Geek

@KennyRasschaert: i favour virtualbox. I'd really like to get my paws on vmware workstation at some time

TylerShads

@JourneymanGeek I wish oracle wasn't running Virtual box, then I would clamor for it to be bigger than vmware

Chris S

13:53

@TylerShads Workers are as lazy as they have always been; their non-human environment has no impact.

Journeyman Geek

@TylerShads: its about features, really

virtualnetworks, for example. and that bloody shiny new web based remote access thing

TylerShads

@ChrisS Don't need science to tell me that. Though I did get a nice deal on our new firewalls, came with a wireless component, so I gotta find a way to push that in as well.

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek you never tried workstation? It's really nifty

TylerShads

@JourneymanGeek and Oracle's licensing which I hear nothing positive about at all.

Journeyman Geek

@LucasKauffman: at the moment i have a near zero budget for software, unless i can get it... the old fashioned way

Bart De Vos

13:54

@LucasKauffman how does it compare to fusion?

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek you can get it the old fashioned way or you use a trial :p

Journeyman Geek

lol

@LucasKauffman: trials run out ;p

Lucas Kauffman

@BartDeVos fusion is the OSX variant no ? Haven't used that

Bart De Vos

@LucasKauffman Uhu

use it on a daily basis :)

Journeyman Geek

I'll wait until circumstances are better (that is to say, i actually have a job) and get it then

Bart De Vos

13:55

I 'vmified' my work laptop.

Lucas Kauffman

@BartDeVos There is another advantage to Workstation though, and that’s creating a “Team” of virtual machines with LAN segments. With virtualization taking a larger role in businesses, and more people using it to train for networking, this Team option becomes invaluable. While it is possible to network virtual machines in Fusion, it’s a much more arduous task, and Workstation makes it simple.

Journeyman Geek

^ that is one of the things i find potentially shiny

Lucas Kauffman

@BartDeVos you can also tab between ur VM's

Bart De Vos

@LucasKauffman Must be one of the reasons why Fusion is 1/10 the price of workstation

Kenny Rasschaert

@TylerShads Oracle has a serious marketing problem. Most people perceive them as an evil company and want nothing to do with them. VirtualBox 4 is a great product though. It's a worthy successor to the product Sun made.

Journeyman Geek

13:59

@BartDeVos: actually, that makes me curious how it stacks up against player

Bart Silverstrim

@LucasKauffman vmware fusion. You can get a free trial, it's something like half off right now and save 10% with the code macosken (I think is the code...you can look it up on his site, perhaps...they sponsor the podcast...)

Journeyman Geek

@KennyRasschaert: they don't help themselves

TylerShads

@JourneymanGeek It's days like this that make me want the old fashioned way. I could've downloaded the entire Steam library in the time it takes me to find and register for that product.

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek player is just very basic, I prefer virtualbox over player

Journeyman Geek

@LucasKauffman: its less basic than it used to be tho

I'm 'forced' to use it for school

the main thing i miss is snapshots

Kenny Rasschaert

14:01

Does anyone here use Vagrant with VirtualBox?

Bart Silverstrim

@JourneymanGeek I ran vmware player inside virtualbox and it worked well.

Kenny Rasschaert

it's more of a developer thing probably

@BartSilverstrim Virtception

TylerShads

@KennyRasschaert I love virtual box and use it for test workstations. It's that if they release a server product to compete with vmware, I would fear for the cost/licensing woes. You must have a license for Win08, Win08R2, RHEL, 1 for each. Licenses cost 90% of what you paid for your OS. In the case of Linux, you will pay a minimum of $4k per OS

Bart Silverstrim

@KennyRasschaert Basically. I was remote and needing to run an older image of our servers to test something.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Lucas Kauffman

14:02

I didn't know workstation was that expensive, at school we can get them a lot cheaper

TylerShads

@LucasKauffman edu discounts ftw.

Bart Silverstrim

Server was VMware....i had remote access via RDP to a Virtualbox session on my Linux machine.

Journeyman Geek

i vaguely seem to think they do have a server product

TylerShads

Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate for free just because

Bart Silverstrim

@JourneymanGeek vmware discontinued the hosted server product.

ESX/i or nothing.

Journeyman Geek

14:02

ya i know

i meant oracle tho

they had some xen based one

Bart Silverstrim

Oh.

Journeyman Geek

@BartSilverstrim: i loved vmware server, back in the day

Bart Silverstrim

@TylerShads VS2010 free: because it's only piracy if you have to ask.

Lucas Kauffman

@TylerShads yea indeed especially windows server and desktop, we get that for free, the keys last until we graduate then they get blocked :(

Bart Silverstrim

@JourneymanGeek I'm enamored with esxi at the moment.

TylerShads

14:03

@LucasKauffman Mine didn't o.x

Bart Silverstrim

I've never heard of the keys expiring on you.

TylerShads

@BartSilverstrim No, I mean M$'s Dreamspark program (before they recently changed it) gave out free full copies of it

Kenny Rasschaert

My server is waiting for me on my doorstep. Going to try and run kvm on it.

Lucas Kauffman

@KennyRasschaert maybe take it inside first :p

Kenny Rasschaert

I leave work in 10 minutes

TylerShads

14:06

@BartSilverstrim Same with Server 08, 08R2, fully usable keys like you bought it. I also got 7Ultimate for $15 and then M$ gave me a copy of office 2007 through a retail program when I worked for Target. So much giveaway makes me think that they either want people to develop in a M$ only environment, or they just don't care xD

Bart Silverstrim

Free gifts to get you hooked. Digital crack dealers.

Journeyman Geek

@BartSilverstrim: eh, I ALMOST went with it, but it wouldn't run with my dinky little atom 'server'

@TylerShads: prolly the latter

TylerShads

@JourneymanGeek Probably I don't care, free things that cost a grand, who am I to complain?

Journeyman Geek

lol

Lucas Kauffman

@BartSilverstrim There is a lot of truth in that actually :p

Bart Silverstrim

14:09

Pretty much.

invest in the server, less likely to migrate.

Just ask @ewwhite. He can't get his boss to stop using a crappy solution they've outgrown because he's whiny and doesn't want to consider something different.

MikeyB

@TylerShads They would love if developers only used their tools, yeah.

Journeyman Geek

lol

TylerShads

@BartSilverstrim I think that's just bosses in general...

Journeyman Geek

@BartSilverstrim: change is hard

Lucas Kauffman

@MikeyB They already pulled that crap with IE, hardware vendors couldn't bundle Mozaique with their systems, it had to be IE

MikeyB

14:12

My favourite customer this morning:
"The image isn't ready, I can't start sshd"
"What error did you get from sshd?"
"It couldn't find files"
"Can you copy and paste the error so I can take a look?"
"No I can't the console don't allow me"
"OK, can you take a screenshot?"

Lucas Kauffman

@MikeyB what did he do then?

MikeyB

@LucasKauffman Oh, he just responded: "I rebooted it and it got hang"

jscott

@LucasKauffman iPhone pic of screen...

tombull89

Just had to watch a user try to get to "YouTube". First attempt: utube. Second attempt: ytube. Third attempt: youtube. Final attempt: youtube.com - success!

TylerShads

@MikeyB got hang...?

tombull89

14:13

sobs quietly into a corner

MikeyB

@TylerShads ESL so I can forgive him for the verb tense. But I can't forgive the abject incompetence.

jscott

A coworker re-freaking-booted one of our ESX hosts because he couldn't get a specific one VM to start.

TylerShads

@tombull89 Wasn't it you that told us about the person that used Bing to find Google to find Youtube?

tombull89

@TylerShads nod.

jscott

Luckily, we migrating off this ESX cluster onto newer, supported, ESXi stuff... But still.

TylerShads

14:15

@MikeyB Makes sense then.

@tombull89 ...Is this that person.

jscott

Love that the first troubleshooting step was: Fugg'it, reboot the bitch.

tombull89

@TylerShads nope. This one ^^ is meant to be a ICT teacher (well, teach IT matters).

Lucas Kauffman

@jscott I had to go holland once because somebody decided to reboot a firewall because a mailserver wasn't getting through it, we didn't have remote hands on that machine. 5 hours to go, 5 hours back ...

@tombull89 powerpoint,word and excel I hope?

TylerShads

@tombull89 ICT? What am I missing form that acronym?

@LucasKauffman Please tell me they reimbursed you at least?

Chris S

@TylerShads Information Computer Technology?

Lucas Kauffman

14:18

@TylerShads I got free burger king

TylerShads

@LucasKauffman I've had profs only a few years older than me (read: 25 at the time) not know how to use view show in ppt...I think I have a permanent palm mark on my forehead.

@ChrisS ah

tombull89

@LucasKauffman well, it's called iLearn. Part humanaties, ICT and PSE - the sort of course that a competent student blasts through in no time at all.

jscott

@LucasKauffman Oh wow! Free BK! I'd do it too.

TylerShads

@LucasKauffman Is foreign BK better than the American variety, I've always wondered that.

Lucas Kauffman

talking rebooting servers, I just see on all of my virtual machines: "SYSTEM GOING FOR A HALT!"

erh what

TylerShads

14:18

@LucasKauffman Have fun with that.

jscott

@LucasKauffman Oh yeah, I got like a dozen notifications from Zenoss that the host was going down..... great way to start the day.

Lucas Kauffman

@TylerShads my host is unreachable...somebody coitus up badly

TylerShads

►

Lucas Kauffman

@TylerShads she's not coming up ...:(

TylerShads

@LucasKauffman REBOOT THE MACHINE 3 TIMES!

Bart Silverstrim

14:24

Good servers don't go down.

jscott

@LucasKauffman halt isn't reboot :)

Lucas Kauffman

@jscott yea I'm just checking nagios, hosts are down

Bart Silverstrim

@LucasKauffman WHAT DID YOU DO!? Did you let @petergrace play with your VM's again?

Lucas Kauffman

well I'm in turkey, the machine is in Belgium

TylerShads

@LucasKauffman Looks like you get more free BK!

Bart Silverstrim

14:26

I'm in heaven. Reboot the cloud!

Lucas Kauffman

@BartSilverstrim he said he was going to improve the performance :'(

jscott

@TylerShads Ooooh, Belgian BK! More mayo please!

Bart Silverstrim

Yeah, and StackOverflow went down because of a "DDoS"...uh huh... :-P

TylerShads

@jscott sounds good...actually...

Bart Silverstrim

@LucasKauffman No access to the remote console at all, eh?

Lucas Kauffman

14:30

@BartSilverstrim there is a DRAC card in there, but I can only access it from our students room... in belgium :p

time to summon a monkey I geuss

Kyle Smith

serverfault.com/questions/371975/linux-kvm-on-a-virtualbox i42.tinypic.com/11r9cwi.jpg

Aw it's not going to inline two links?

TylerShads

@KyleSmith Only 1 thing at a time Oneboxes

Its fucking markdown what do you expect

2

Kyle Smith

Miracles. I expect fucking miracles.

ewwhite

14:56

@BartSilverstrim SOmeone called?

Scott Pack

@BartSilverstrim I can't believe you said that and nobody bit. So to speak.

Bart Silverstrim

@ewwhite poking fun at your virtual hosting troubles.

voretaq7

@BartSilverstrim @ewwhite has virtual hosting troubles?

I had 99 problems, then I virtualized my environment.
Now I have 99 problems on each VM.

ewwhite

I still have VMWare running here.

In fact, the KVM servers that have a handful of VMs both kernel panicked last week.

voretaq7

@ewwhite when they force you into KVM you'll have 999 problems on each VM. Plus 99 for the hypervisor :)

Kyle Smith

14:59

We've been talking to RedHat about RHEV -- anyone using that?

ewwhite

I'm using those kernel panics as evidence, proof...

@KyleSmith I downloaded the RHEV

I got the RHEV-H hypervisor image...

thinking it'd be like ESXi.

a number of problems... wanna hear my experience?

Kyle Smith

Yes, please.

ewwhite

You need a server... Just to manage the hypervisors...

voretaq7

@KyleSmith It's just a soundtrack of cursing and plaintive sobbing/begging the hypervisor to reboot

ewwhite

RED HAT ENTERPRISE VIRTUALIZATION MANAGER
Recommended:
Dual-socket/quad-core server with 16GB RAM, 50GB free disk space on multiple disk spindles, and 1GB network interface. The breakdown of the server requirements is...
1 client for connecting to Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization Manager:
Microsoft Windows (7, XP, 2003, or 2008) with Internet Explorer 7 and above
Microsoft .NET Framework 4

Kyle Smith

15:02

Well, that's the same as vSphere in VMWare

voretaq7

@ewwhite ...wait Wait WAIT WAIT -- I need WINDOWS to manage the LINUX KVM HYPERVISORS?

Kyle Smith

You have a management system.

Peter Grace

LOL, #1 reason for outages in this channel is LISTENING TO MY ADVICE.

Aaron Copley

It still baffles me that RHEV requires Windows.

ewwhite

To manage the infrastructure, it requires Windows with IE7 and activex

TylerShads

15:03

@PeterGrace I belive it...

voretaq7

@PeterGrace "Test redundancy by tripping the floor breaker for one of the rows. If the system is TRULY redundant nobody will notice 15 racks going dark!" <-- ?

Peter Grace

CASE IN POINT: s/enable/sudo

ewwhite

so for the single-host install I was planning, I needed another server to manage it.

Kyle Smith

They explained it to me, they purchased it from a company in Holland(?) who was a Windows shop.

voretaq7

@KyleSmith no excuse!

Kyle Smith

15:03

I guess the next version they're rewriting it for Linux :)

ewwhite

Price == $3k year for 6 sockets.

Kyle Smith

That sounds cheaper than VMWare, IIRC

ewwhite

The management server at leasts runs on linux.... but it requires a RHEL license, too

$3k per year... forever!

oops.. my setup priced out to $4500/year.

plus some RHEL licenses.

and then for the VMs contained within, they want RHEL licenses...

Kyle Smith

Are you a RHEL shop already?

voretaq7

@ewwhite that's pretty standard

Kyle Smith

15:05

We pay bulk pricing for our licensing.

ewwhite

I don't touch RHEL anymore.. except for MRG for realtime stuff.

CentOS

Kyle Smith

I really want to get my company to move non-production (at least) to CentOS

I think we paid $81k to RedHat last year.

ewwhite

But if you're a RHEL shop, the quick path is to just skip the hypervisor image and add the virtualization channel to existing RHEL installs.

Kyle Smith

So aside from the costs and frustration of needing a Windows management station, how did it work?

ewwhite

Windows Management station is no problem. I didn't have any spare hardware to be the Linux management station

I mean, server

With ESXi, I can at least use it standalone.

I don't think there's an equivalent for RHEV.

Kyle Smith

15:10

Gotcha.

ewwhite

All of that turned me off,plus much confusion about how to handle shared storage

MikeyB

@voretaq7 Yes, true. And the reason for why RHEV needs Windows follows:

ewwhite

Somewhere in the middle of the confusion, I stumbled upon...

alteeve.com/w/2-Node_Red_Hat_KVM_Cluster_Tutorial

The RHEV cluster tutorial/guide... alteeve.com/w/2-Node_Red_Hat_KVM_Cluster_Tutorial

voretaq7

@MikeyB (1) Because RedHat is secretly Redmond Linux?

MikeyB

RHEV was originally a third-party company that RH purchased.
The RHEV (2.2) manager ran on Windows and needed a Windows native client to manage it.
For RHEV 3.0, they moved the RHEV manager to JBOSS so it would actually run on RHEL instead of Windows. Still need IE to manage it for the ActiveX control.
For RHEV 3.1 (in beta), you will be able to manage it from any browser. No more Windows required.

ewwhite

15:13

Nifty, but it doesn't seem polished enough to really deal with.

VMWare is really easy...

and even as a Linux guy, it's hard to force myself through a more difficult solution when I know it can be easier.

MikeyB

@ewwhite If you run RHEL on the hosts instead of the RHEV hypervisor, you can run unlimited RHEL VMs.

ewwhite

I think sales hinted at that.

MikeyB

← is running RHEV

ewwhite

but then I look at the kernel panics we had on our KVM hosts last week... and I think that's annoying to have to deal with.

the exposure of an OS>

MikeyB

@ewwhite Our KVM hosts don't run anything other than the virtualization.

Bart Silverstrim

15:17

@ewwhite: your hosts are panicking, no idea why yet?

MikeyB

@ewwhite You know about the deep cstate bug right? it really fscks things up with KVM

ewwhite

I didn't build them... boss did. Not my problem

voretaq7

@MikeyB I understand the lineage ("we bought some shit and now our users have to deal with it"). I object to it most strenuously.

ewwhite

I've been continuing with VMWare.

MikeyB

@voretaq7 Oh yeah, it sucks. But they're moving to do it better at least. It really was rather stupid.

voretaq7

15:18

VMWare requiring Windows - Fine. Whatever. They grew their shit from the ground up, I don't expect them to write Mac/Linux/Java versions of everything now.

RedHat not engineering a proper solution from day one? Fuck them with a rusty spork.

ewwhite

boss hasn't given me access to the KVM hosts... But I was able to see a little... and it's all sorts of crazy

voretaq7

@MikeyB but you've already PAID for the Windows licenses now!

AND the RedHat licenses for the rest of your infrastructure (theoretically)

ewwhite

RH was trying to get into the VM space.

and quick

voretaq7

I demand RedHat supply Windows 7 :-)

MikeyB

@voretaq7 Just my perpetual XP license. :)

voretaq7

15:19

For Free! :)

Bart Silverstrim

@ewwhite Ah, I thought he had you using them and you were proposing a migration off.

You were brought in to revamp without having to use hands-on with the legacy crap?

MikeyB

@voretaq7 Heh, I love springing that on vendors too! "Please send an appropriate Windows license and media so we can install it to manage your product."

voretaq7

XP IS END OF LIFE! I removes from computer for you.
(BRB - Finding dynamite)

MikeyB

@voretaq7 Those they gave to us for free.

ewwhite

@BartSilverstrim It's what was here when I started... I was hired to clean things up and help grow.

voretaq7

15:20

@MikeyB I've said that to vendors

It usually results in us not going with their product.

ewwhite

So i looked at what was being done with KVM, and it just wasn't appealing.

voretaq7

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Q: This message wasn't delivered to anyone because it's too large. The limit is 10 MB. This message is 11 MB

We have Exchange 2003 partially migrated over to Exchange 2010. When an external user sends a file they receive an error report from our exchange, saying the limit is 10MB. I have gone through the settings Here and changed them to 50MB but I still receive the message from a test email from google...

ewwhite

or something I'd "bet the business" on.

voretaq7

I. Will. KILL people over email size.

MikeyB

voretaq7

15:21

I think KVM will be what Hyper-V is. In about 3 years.

At which point Hyper-V will be what VMWare is.
And VMWare will have evolved into a higher virtualization lifeform, or died out.

ewwhite

possibly...

needs to be super polished.

Kyle Smith

I wouldn't count on VMWare dying out.

How is Hyper-V?

ewwhite

VMWare could possibly price itself out

Hyper-V is fine enough.

and I see people moving to it from VMWare.

Kyle Smith

I assume it runs any guest OS with ease?

ewwhite

for licensing savings.

Linux seems to be limited.

Kyle Smith

15:23

Hrm.

ewwhite

but there are plenty of all windows shops out there..

84104

@voretaq7 So how should a random user transfer a file to another random user? I believe email is being misused, but I don't see a standard set of alternatives in place with the same accessibility.

Bart Silverstrim

@ewwhite VMware isn't stupid...if they see mass migration/revolt, they'll price down.

@84104 Depends on where they are.

ewwhite

@84104 Good question. I bump mail limits to 20MB on Exchange systems now

Bart Silverstrim

If they're in the same company, there's things like "file shares."

84104

15:26

@BartSilverstrim And if they're not?

Bart Silverstrim

If they're outside company, you can use "web servers."

Or FTP servers.

You then send a "link".

MikeyB

@ewwhite Like I've said before, everybody can virtualize. It's all in the management.

ewwhite

I have a client that uses dropbox...

jscott

cue rants about FTP

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Bart Silverstrim

If it's random, you can use a service like "Dropbox"

Of course, FTP sucks. But for general non-secure use, it's fine.

MikeyB

15:27

@BartSilverstrim The troublesome thing is that it's far easier to attach a random file to an email message than to use some sort of drop service. For the 99% out there that is.

Bart Silverstrim

But if you're asking about transferring files, there's nothing wrong with looking at using something called File Transfer Protocol.

jscott

@BartSilverstrim I agree. I've just seen FTP stomped into the ground here a few times. :)

ewwhite

but the dropbox... this site has 120 users

40 of them are subscribed to a dropbox...

Bart Silverstrim

@MikeyB It's easier to run over a pedestrian than wait for some dipwad to get their arse across the street, too.

ewwhite

and one user uploaded a 50MB file...

which triggered downloads on the other 39 clients.

Killed the net connection...

Bart Silverstrim

15:28

If you know the other user you can also transfer via Skype or other chat.

Do you back up your hard drive to the exchange server?

ewwhite

Yes... yes I do.

:)

Bart Silverstrim

Then you're not sane.

84104

I don't run exchange?

Bart Silverstrim

Voretaq, time for you to kill ewwhite.

ewwhite

C'mon, I've ranted about fools using exchange as file storage...

Bart Silverstrim

15:30

sigh substitute your mail server for exchange then, @84104

ewwhite

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Q: Email hoarder intervention and education - (Exchange environment)

Throughout my career, I've encountered quite a few users who were email hoarders. 20GB PST files. Awful folder management. I'm managing a 100-user environment where users previously had 100mb quotas and a basic Cyrus IMAP/Postfix solution. That led to lots of locally-stored mail and the related...

email exchange-2010 user-management

I removed the screenshots when I quit that job...

Bart Silverstrim

Email is for email. stop using it as a file archive.

I shudder when I see 1 gig pst files...ugh.

ewwhite

but it was something like 6000+ subfolders in the user's email inbox

84104

@BartSilverstrim My mailserver is also a webdav that is actually intended to store files?

I don't store the files as attachments though. That would be retarded.

Chopper3

You crazy fools!

Bart Silverstrim

15:31

Separate service but webdav can be used to access files.

I cringe at emailing things over a meg. I draw the line at 2.

If it's more than 2, I'll find another way.

Dodo's emailing .iso files need flogging.

84104

@BartSilverstrim I hate anything that isn't a few lines of plaintext.

pauska

arghle barghle, where are the centos packages/repo? Or do they use RHEL's?

Bart Silverstrim

@Chopper3 tourette's flaring up?

Chopper3

kinda - was just talking with a very nice vmw guy who it turns out uses SF! small world eh

Jeff Ferland

Soooo, I'm an e-mail hoarder.... :D

ewwhite

15:38

@Chopper3 And what's his thought of KVM?

And VMWare pricing..

voretaq7

@84104 File shares. (s)FTP(s). DropBox. USB Thumb Drive.

@BartSilverstrim why?

20MB I can tolerate. 25MB is where I start having rage fits.

84104

I keep getting emails of attached PDFs that should be webpages. -_-

ewwhite

Sharepoint...

or some sort of collaboration software...

84104

User education.

ewwhite

People are not taught how to use these things... It's partially up to admins to help correct bad behaviors.

84104

15:46

I'm trying and they're trying.

Some of them have progressed as far as emailing a PDF and linking to a webpage with the same content.

jscott

@84104 This only works if you've embedded a working link within the attached PDF, as well. May times I receive PDFs [of content already online] which contain non-functional links. This is truly disappointing.

TylerShads

Damn, even esxi 4 doesn't like this raid controller, what kind of PoS is this thing?

ewwhite

pretty low-end...

Chopper3

@ewwhite he's a geek, doesn't have a thought about that kind of thing

ewwhite

Oh pssh... no good. I need an insider.

Bart Silverstrim

15:53

@voretaq7 He was saying he backed up his HD to email. Even as a joke, that deserves a pitchfork.

ewwhite

Or a keygen!

(kidding about the keygen...)

84104

@jscott I meant a link to a page they made in the email that is the same as the PDF which they made and attached to the email.

Bart Silverstrim

@TylerShads That's strange if it's the LSI-based one.

jscott

@84104 Yes, I understood. :) Now get them to include the link inside the PDF as well. Circle-of-life man...

TylerShads

@BartSilverstrim Lets put it this way. I have 2 drives, my only options are 0 and 1, 3 drives, 0 and 5, 4 drives 0 and 10

...and one just failed, wtf

84104

15:56

@jscott I'm hoping to replace a couple of these people with some SQL queries on a cronjob. <_< >_>

jscott

@84104 Although I support automation, it is incredibly difficult to accurately simulate the inefficiency and ignorance of real, human, employees.

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voretaq7

@ewwhite I STAB!

Rob Moir

If the version of HyperV thats promised with Windows 8 is as good as claimed, that's "good enough" for us and I can well see us moving away from VMWare at that point

ewwhite

Mostly windows shop?

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