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17:00
@ChrisS you've been salty this week.
are the questions just getting too silly?
@MDMarra Like I said, technically every Microsoft product is Microsoft PileOfSteamingPoo. It's not something I mind because (aside from SQL server) nobody else uses those names. Same for DPM right now (nobody else I could find in a 10-second google search uses it so until there's contention the naked tag is fine)
@ewwhite SILLY HAT DAY!
@ewwhite It's only Tuesday! =]
I thought attachmate owned suse ._.
unless my memory is going
@ChrisS You told one dude to go read the manual...
@JourneymanGeek not that I can recall, but I could be wrong. I really don't pay attention.
17:01
I've got a couple buttons and people seem to have stepped on all of them lately. In particular "I don't like how this is, it's crap, we need something better, but I'm going going to contribute to the solution, just complain about the status quo" gets me.
@ewwhite so did I.
@voretaq7:
and kicked another one in the nuts...
ajj
@voretaq7: from wiki On November 22, 2010, Novell announced that it had agreed to be acquired by The Attachmate Group for $2.2 billion. The Attachmate Group plans to operate Novell as two units, SUSE becoming a stand-alone business[13] and anticipates no change to the relationship between the SUSE business and the openSUSE project as a result of this transaction
17:02
I even got 20 points of rep for it
wait... 35
@ewwhite He said he already read the manual and still said something that proved he didn't understand the manual or didn't actually read it (more like the case).
and "stop and back away from the server hardware"
:)
@ewwhite I've said that twice in the last week. =D
@ewwhite take 10 giant steps back from the keyboard...
But my bigger question is how people are getting themselves into these situations.
"I have to power this server/storage array up, but I don't know how to plug it in"
or "where's the power button"
17:04
but a lot of these are surrounding HP hardware, so that's making me wonder if there's some learning curve that I take for granted.
@ChrisS Double Penetration by Microsoft?
@ewwhite WTF POWER BUTTON?!?
@voretaq7 You didn't see?
also is it me or is the SF main site really sucking it performance-wise?
@PeterGrace? Are you touching the systems in PLACES again?
@ewwhite I did see
it needs more crudely drawn circles and arrows.
17:07
@voretaq7 Something's up with caching I think, I've had the front page of SF and mSF "revert" a couple of times now.
@ChrisS s/up/fucked up/
buggered. b0rken. Operating: On Fire. ENOWORKY.
... that should SO be a status tag on meta.
been troubleshooting a lab computer for a few hours now, it refuses to apply group policies correctly, especially the ones that adds/removes permissions
just found out that this is a dirty deployment with a previously used sid
puagh0q743ybtiqey gfeyaidvbdahadgadfg
@ewwhite serverfault.com/questions/366562/… <- doesn't compare to your power button question though
@pauska it'll be FINE. Reusing SIDs never causes horrible problems akin to having the devil bathe in holy water!
well, maybe all the good questions are going back to Experts Exchange
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Why of all gods isn't there a built-in alert/popup in Windows about this? I don't care if it would be Clippy that filled my screen with a exclamation mark, I want to know instantly if there is a SID crash
17:12
@ewwhite Ahahahaha. Stand-up comedy hour here in ServerFault!
@ewwhite I hope experts exchange gets more VPS questions than we do. They deserve it.
anyone know a good "free" spam filtering appliance VM/solution off the top of their head?
@SpacemanSpiff I'm being a bit tacky, but I downloaded the Barracuda Spam Filter VM appliance...
and I think I'm going to run it to see what happens at expiry...
one more week...
lol... hrmm... i need about 90 days
I'll pass you a link if you want :)
17:18
"HEYYYY! IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE REUSING A SECURITY IDENTIFIER!"
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"HEYYYYY! IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE REUSING A SECURITY IDENTIFIER!"
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@ewwhite - sure
@SpacemanSpiff You said 90 days?
and I can send registration info.
17:39
downloading
It's an OVF... it'll require a serial number to "provision" itself.
Group Policy object did not apply because it failed with error code '0x80070534 No mapping between account names and security IDs was done.' This error was suppressed.
*!%¤(#!#(¤%&#!%
from there, the timer is on, and I seriously can't tell what happens when the time runs out
im trying to add BUILTIN\Administrator to a local group.. why does it not work.. whyyyyy
how long a timer you got?
i downloaded the smallest appliance?
17:43
Hmm.. maybe you should have gotten the VX300
Did you download Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall Vx ?
looks like its all the same appliance
the license is for the 300-series
(the one I have)
the provision process will determine which one it is
apparently we get NFR stuff from symantec too, so... might have access to a 12 month brightmail trial
I think it's 30 days.
and at the end of that, I think updates stop...
but the barracuda blacklist stays on
or... maybe the appliance gets bricked... but it's hard to see if that's what'll happen.
Ever get a weird hunger pang?
17:46
lol, nice
"weird"?
yeah - really fancy a 'cookie puss' for some reason - well some of one anyway
Do I dare google that to figure out what it is?
it's an ice cream cake
an odd ice cream cake tbh
Hrm... I've got the urge to get some physical exercise before I fall asleep in my chair... that can't be any more weird.
17:49
do some handstands
gets the blood going, and confuses passerbys
@Chopper3 bring me the tail of Fudgie the Whale!
in my case it would attract the attentions of an ambulance, maybe a mortician too
@voretaq7 haha - see that feed item
how apt
@Chopper3 I figured that's why you wanted it...
^^ see also ^^
@SpacemanSpiff Let me know when you're ready to install.
@Chopper3 Cookie puss - Not what I thought it was
17:56
@MDMarra ... you thought it was porn, didn't you?
@voretaq7 naturally
@voretaq7 No, hadn't seen that actually
IMPORTANT QUESTION: You have a tar file. What could you possibly want to do to it besides extract it, list its contents, or maybe append to it?
gzip it!
(I'm wondering if I'm insane, or this guy is just arguing to argue)
@ewwhite ok, what could you want to do to it with the tar command :-)
18:01
@voretaq7 replace a file in it?
(and seriously, gzip? real men use bzip2!)
extract a single file or directory...
@ewwhite that's extracting :)
@Chopper3 OK, that's true.
@voretaq7 you mean LZMA.
@voretaq7 -j or GTFO
18:03
but isn't that basically appending? or does gnu-tar have a real "stick your fingers in and do stuff to the middle of the tar file" replace
again, it's just all about crazy questions this week
@voretaq7 Checksum or Encrypt?
@ChrisS that's acceptable too
@ChrisS both valid, but neither something I can do with tar itself
(at least not bsdtar, and I don't think gnu tar either)
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Q: Any reason for «tar: Can't specify both -x and -t»?

poigeQuestion is due curiosity mostly… — it's kinda strange and awkward limitation considering tar's inability to list content w/o reading the whole (sometimes huge) file.

^^ the reason I'm asking
@voretaq7 You didn't specify that the operation had to be done with tar.
Just close it. It isn't a practical answerable problem...
18:07
ok
is there an alternative GUI for WSUS that doesn't, uh, suck?
6 mins ago, by voretaq7
@ewwhite ok, what could you want to do to it with the tar command :-)
:-)
@wfaulk This is Microsoft. There are no "alternatives."
okay, is there any way to find the status of an update on a subset of servers?
@voretaq7 yeah - he's in a pythonesque alternate reality (probably vodka induced due to the Russian winter)
18:09
@Zoredache I won't release the sharks-with-lasers on it - "Why doesn't the software let me do this?" is a valid question, the answer is "Because that's not how it works, you do this other thing instead".
but if y'all wanna pile close votes on it you can borrow one of my sharks...
@WesleyDavid You could call the SCCM SU interface, which controls WSUS, an alternative. =]
Has anyone here ever used Mindterm?
(web-based Java SSH terminal)
@ewwhite sounds vaguely familiar
deploying it?
I'd like to... but the developer is evasive...
licensing terms seem sketchy
and you have to pay to get a signed applet that can be deployed as an embedded page.
you can download and run the applet, but that defeats the purpose...
I may open a question/bounty for this one
18:16
I ♥ PuTTY.
@ewwhite I think that is what is in the aruba controller web interface for providing a cli.
there was also an iPhone SSH client that was all ajax-y back in the iPhone 1 days, could be worth looking into one of those
@ChrisS I ♥ KiTTY
Putty is nice and all, but this needs to be a web deployment...
console-based database app
I just got a CDW Reference Guide: Cloud Computing
I'm tempted to use it as toilet paper before throwing it away.
18:18
@ChrisS you read those?
It is actually full of misguided attempts at defining the various cloud marketing bullcrap.
@Zypher Not usually, but I got signed up somehow and sometimes they have pretty pictures.
@Iain dude... there's a KiTTY terminal program? Must...Install...Windows....VM
@Iain ... If it can't negotiate a session does it play the Kitty Doesn't Like song?
I DEMAND EASTER EGGS!
ugh those link effects make we want to brain him
18:22
on section starts with "Cross-fertilization of ideas ensures that the cloud strategy..."
@ChrisS "We throw shit around liberally in hopes of growing a client"
(I love translating marketspeak)
@voretaq7 +1 for "let's add one more non-standard implementation to the litany reasons I despise Linux" -- Time should not cause the headache that it does. :)
@AaronCopley seriously, EVERY UNIX BOX I'VE EVER USED has used "/etc/localtime symlinked to the timezone we're supposed to use, and fall back to UTC if it ain't there". What is so special about CentOS/RedHat that they need a different place to store the timezone name?
@Iain I am somewhat opposed to kitty since it allows you to save your passwords.
Is is hard to open that file and read the friendly name from the header?
@Zoredache I don't hold that against them
18:30
@Zoredache I don't use passwords so I never noticed that
everything lets you do that now because users demand it
we can't fix the users so...
@voretaq7 Putty doesn't. OpenSSH doesn't. Because they are focused on security. If Kitty does, it makes me wonder what other security decisions they have decided to compromise on.
@Zoredache Well we did hack the SSL library to remove all those pesky warnings...
@voretaq7 we're investigating a report of slow traffic at the colo
@voretaq7 No idea why the system-config-* tools can't use that. To the best I can tell that's the only use of it...
lolz
18:42
There's no more system-config-time.
@PeterGrace There's a lolcat caught in the intertube
Something like that :)
for RHEL6, I just link the localtime...
I get sucked into these...
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Q: Cannot enable iSCSI port binding without adding a physical NIC to the vSwitch

cmaduroWhy can I not have a purely virtualized SAN in vSphere 5? I cannot enable the iSCSI port binding option or add the VMkernel to the iSCSI software host bus adapter unless there is a physical NIC associated with the vSwitch.

@Iain rubs on leg
Ewww
18:51
@ewwhite You're the problem here.
Whyso?
@ewwhite you won't let the cat hump your leg, I'm guessin'
funny that, asking us why vmware made some decision
@ewwhite Because you hate kittens.
@SpacemanSpiff Still need the VMware license?
I mean, Barracuda.
18:53
maybe, i did submit an e-mail to get a trial license as well, would yours be different than that?
the appliance is booting now for the first time
oh, okay... that'll get you 30 days
@ewwhite ...and community service.
I like cats.
I like my dog more.
@Chris
doh!
Ping @ChrisS
18:56
thanks for the answer on my DPM 2010 question
Do you have some time to chat in a different room about my next step? (real quick)
There's a mod event going on right now, but fire away and I'll answer as best I can.
mod event? oh... no problem. I rather do it later though, when you're a bit more avialable :)
*available
@ChrisS Is that the one where you all get together and determine who lives and who dies?
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@WesleyDavid Unfortunately no, nothing that interesting...
@l0c0b0x Ok; no guarantees of availability though, there's always something going on.
Lunch. Toodles.
19:07
@WesleyDavid Search operators locked:1 and locked:0 should work now (might still be indexing). <- Interesting...
@Chopper3 I was away for a while too :P
@voretaq7 if you have locked:1 and locked:0, then wouldn't you get an empty result set?
why is this back on top?
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Q: Performance problem with QNAP TS-410 NAS

elitalonWe have a QNAP TS-410 in our office. Its hardware is: 256MB DDR2 RAM CPU Marvell 6281 800MHz 4 x 1.4GB Seagate SATA disks mounted on RAID5 We thought it would be sufficient to make backups for our servers, but we have encountered several problems: It takes about 5 hours to make a daily rsyn...

@Basil The Community process auto-nudged it up for having no upvoted or accepted answer
@Basil I'm going with the Sand Gnomes until something more interesting comes along.
19:13
We have more questions about performance problems than a Pfizer investor meeting.
@ewwhite - barracuda sales guy on the phone told me that after 30 days it will stop blocking
let everything throguh
i wager he is mistaken
@SpacemanSpiff They just use the old rules if you don't renew. Or at least that was what they did the last time we had this issue.
@Zoredache theoretically, yes.
@voretaq7 So you're saying you want me to reprise my FLAG ALL THE THINGS behavior?
Actually, I do want to get back to my "Homewreckers" thread. I think about that several times a week. I'm happy that I haven't had time for it or ServerFault in general because of worky things, but sad that my momentum completely tanked as pertains to flagging and cleaning things up.
I'm not ServerFault's krill anymore. =(
@WesleyDavid just make sure a mod is around
^^ We had that down to <50 minutes for a while there
19:24
@voretaq7 See, that's counter to my inclination. I like hearing the cries of terror when mods log in after I expended all my flags in an orgy of thread mining. =)
@voretaq7 it's the weekend that screws it up
@Zypher's response to my flag spree is a highlight of my ServerFault life. =)
@Iain only when people actually flag shit on the weekends. GET A LIFE PEOPLE! GO OUT AND HAVE SEX! The posts will still be there to flag on Monday :-)
Starred because it's true.

Having said that...

...I'll be flagging things this weekend. =P
and?
19:32
Pretty
sure, but what's the context?
@SpacemanSpiff Hmm, 30 days... I think he's mistaken.
SO account (on right) with sock accounts that vote for him. How complicated it can get....
@ChrisS I want this chart for the various spams I get in my email
it would be purrrrrrrrrrty
Mods have new tools for finding sock accounts... I don't think it's as useful on SF, where we know most of the high rep users... You don't get so many earning rep for bad Q/A and going unoticed.
@voretaq7 Meh, they wouldn't be all interconnected like that... Just a deluge of crap from a handful of compromised machines.
19:37
@ChrisS well I'd like to see it by botnet
this botnet is hawking fake airline tickets, lotto scams, and the magical pill that will make your breasts 1-3 cup sizes larger while simultaneously increasing your penis size 1-3 inches.
That would be interesting.... pretty much impossible to get the data for, but interesting if you could.
(Not sure what the market for that pill is, but apparently they think I'm a he-she or something 'cuz oh boy did I get that one a lot!)
@ChrisS SMTP Received: headers :-)
How would that reveal anything about the network behind the spam bots?
Right. It's 7:30pm. Have we upset anyone yet today?
@ChrisS well you'd have to identify which network was commanding them
which is the hard part
19:42
I don't think so... But I'm getting killed with tiny requests in the last hours..... I need a sign that says "go away, I'm working on it"
@voretaq7 that's what I'm saying; would only be interesting if you could glean that much info.
@ChrisS well we do bust open botnets from time to time
@ChrisS For the record, Jarrod is the guy I said is rather muscular and who could kick my ass in hand to hand combat.
I'm normally all for and open, net neutral, free (speech) Internet... But when it comes to spam I wish Consumer ISPs would rate limit (or even block) outgoing Port 25.
19:57
@ChrisS I would prefer they do like Verizon, you call and they open it up for you.

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