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00:00
How bad is NFS client support under Windows7?
Haven't tried it. Once delved into getting Unix stuff set up but never really got anywhere with it
@MarkHenderson Yeah, I have to install the software on a desktop though
@84104 Bad at best
@Jacob Guess I'll need to stare hard at Samba then.
@84104 Samba's a Bitch too, can you roll Windows at all?( I hate to say it but it's a good choice here)
00:15
@Jacob I must support Linux, Solaris, Mac and Windows. There is no way to roll all Windows.
@84104 all of those can use SMB
@Jacob So I just need to figure out how to dump the OpenLDAP into AD, somehow break the Mit-krb5kdc databases and find the money to support more Windows servers.
Also make the Solaris Servers play nicely with AD logins.
Well if it were easy, it would be done incorrectly by now.
00:41
@Jacob I've had plenty of success with samba and windows machines
It's not as neat as a full AD-integrated environment, but samba is mature and stable. Virtually every NAS appliance on the planet uses it.
@MarkHenderson True, AD connections are a pain though
Does anyone know of an RSS feed that only includes details about Vmware ESX(i)/vsphere upgrades?
@Jacob, yeah I saw that, but those feeds are far too noisy. I was just hoping for something that would tell me if a new file was in the download portal (vmware.com/patchmgr/download.portal).
00:58
@Zoredache were you successful at breaking the Arube? :) [Sorry, didn't get your last message in time]
*Aruba
01:13
@l0c0b0x yeah it is upgraded.
sweet! version 6? I think 6.x recognizes tablet devices and lets you create rules based on them.
No I am going to stick with 5.x. What kind of rules would you create based on a tablet?
01:28
I wouldn't... that's what stu-post wanted to do at the Island.
Anyone in here run an ISA proxy?
I think @l0c0b0x box is/was, but I may be wrong.
@Zoredache I'm trying to figure out what a block for a site being "non managed" is
Free at last!
would you believe me if I told you I haven't even logged in to that box yet? :)... well, only to shut it down and up.
01:39
@ewwhite huh?
Rep-cap... hinderance.
@l0c0b0x I'd be upset :)
@Zoredache Good point. I always miss the updates.
I've been installing and configuring SCCM/SCOM/SCSM for the past few weeks now... its all somewhat happy now... NOBODY TOUCH IT!
@Jacob TMG, which is the successor
01:43
@ewwhite Xenserver is more hip :)
@MarkHenderson what?
@Jacob You asked about ISA. I dont run ISA, but I run TMG, which is the latest version of ISA
@MarkHenderson might you know what a "non managed site" is defined as?
@jacob I don't believe that about Xenserver... but it's certainly an established product.
I just like VMWare more ;)
@ewwhite At the free level Xenserver is better, and thats my budget for VZ hypervisor
@Jacob what features do you use that make it better?
01:54
@Zoredache resource pools
@MarkHenderson any idea?
@Jacob Sorry man might just have to wait a minute, gotta fix a SOAP import routine for a client
Whats the context of the phrase?
It's not something I've heard of in TMG before
02:11
@MarkHenderson "non managed" I'm not sure what causes it.
02:24
@Jacob That's not much of a context. What's the back story? Where are you seeing this? Is in a document? A window? Message?
Give us a screen shot
@MarkHenderson When the proxy blocks a site it has goes to a blocked page, it has time/date user + domain and reason for block, thats all I get
@Zoredache can't not at that network
@Jacob Ok. So... where does "non managed" fit in? I feel like I'm missing a fairly major part of the puzzle here
@MarkHenderson HP UPSs are rebadged APC units, they're mostly compatible between APC and HP units, mostly.
@ChrisS Thanks
02:37
@ChrisS I dont spose that means that an APC network moduile will plug into it?
Somehow I managed to add 110 points today, without anything showing in the graph. I guess I got a generous recalc?
I went from 8711 to 8821
@WesleyDavid Yeah everyone is being recalced with a new algorithm that keeps your rep in check instantly
No more only gaining rep until a recalc
@MarkHenderson Some will, others not.... =/
Evenin'
Well, that's a nice surprise to actually earn rep. I don't recall answering a question on another site that got migrated here. Usually it's the other way around.
@ErikA Yarrrr!
02:48
You know, I really shouldn't keep this bottle of whiskey on my desk. It's way too convenient.
I wish you could throw shit at people over email
Always relevant ^
So, @WesleyDavid - did you pass your Australian ligno exam?
@MarkHenderson Failed miserably.
03:24
Most of those words were really hardcore Aussie words; you wouldn't find most of them in use at a normal workplace :P
You might on a Friday night around a bbq though
03:35
Americans don't have cool, hardcore slang like that. American English is enough of a bastardization to where we don't need slang. =P
pretty much.
 
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04:57
@MarkHenderson From reading the endless bitching over on meta.SO, it sounds like the "bonus" rep is from previously deleted questions. Like votes, that rep is now going to count... if the question is "good enough"
@Ward Aaaahhh yeah I saw that blog post
But only after Wes brought it up
I don't suggest you read it all, it's way way way tl;dr
But apparently there are strong feelings:
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Q: Community-led deletionism: a protocol for sanity

Shog9A couple of events in the past few days have caused me to reflect - yet again - on the direction we're headed with regard to deletion on Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange. First, a moderator on one of our larger Stack Exchange sites resigned. This parting was not acrimonious - he just decided he...

tl;dr indeed
It's interesting to see the problems of being too big... right now I think SF is in a good spot - big enough to be popular (maybe not quite big enough in terms of high-rep users) but not so big to have actual factions forming up.
Hate it when my keyboard falls off my lap and types stuff in....
 
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06:29
just a random curious question : I've been using github lately and I learned while setup, git uses ssh to communicate with the server, I'm on windows and this all seems like voodoo black magic to me! Any idea where I could get started to figure out how all this works? And understand what SSH is better on Windows?
@gideon: It shouldn't matter that much
If you are going to run an ssh server, use Linux. You are making your life more difficult trying to use it under Windows.
@Zoredache: and nearly everything is based off the same base - openssh
(unless you wanted to use dropbear, but thats mainly for situations where you wanted a lighter ssh solution)
clientwise, its either openssh based or putty based
@JourneymanGeek The problem isn't the server. The problem is everything else. SSH without all the related GNU tools and other stuff is nearly worthless.
hmm. Yea I tried installing ubuntu but there is this huge learning curve getting used to things.
06:37
@Zoredache: he's talking about a client tho
Is he? That isn't entirely clear to me.
yea I just want to have an idea how it works, or what is going on... I'm assuming ssh is like http, yet another protocol?
and then what is possible within this protocol?
@gideon: you can run a ssh proxy and tunnel ANYTHING through it
It says "secure shell access" so it something like remote desktop possible with ssh.
@JourneymanGeek interesting.
not directly, but you can tunnel vnc through it
its primarily used either for simple shell commands or to tunnel another, less secure protocol through it
06:40
@gideon You're probably better off talking to a network person locally to have some of this explained for you.
I see.
for either of those roles putty is good.
yea people are not usually open to my over-curious-question-riddled nature :S
If you're not already aware of how SSH works, trying to tunnel protocols over it and other arcane functions is not going to be an easy task.
but you guys have given me enough to goto google with :)
ok last question.
If I install PuTTy between two windows pc's, can I then execute command prompt functions from on pc to another?
(Excuse my stupidity here, I'm an application developer)
06:43
@gideon That's like trying to connect 2 clients without the application server. Not going to work unless one of them is acting as the server.
ah I see.
So I need to setup an ssh server.
@gideon Not stupidity, but I'd recommend reading a basic networking book. Acquiring a basic awareness of networking is probably a good idea even for application engineering.
@gideon Grab a Linux live-cd. Boot it up, start from there.
@Adrian yes thats pretty much what I want, trying to understand basic sysadmin stuff/networking etc, and OS's other than windows.
@Zoredache Would a live Ubuntu cd do?
That is certainly a common choice to start getting used to a command line environment.
06:56
alright :)
Thanks so much for your time guys :)
 
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08:04
Morning all :)
G'day
Best 404 page ever: heyzap.com/404
Morning all
@BartDeVos Man those blue wobbly ones are hard as shit to hit
Dan
Dan
09:03
While I agree with what they've said, I find this odd:

"Second, we won’t display reputation lost to deleted questions on your profile unless you explicitly ask for it, and won’t display it at all to other people (apart from moderators). This was an egregious privacy violation, and we sincerely apologize for not catching it sooner."
I fail to see how anything posted publicly can ever come back as a privacy vioaltion
is anyone willing to discuss about quotaugidlimit?
Dan
Dan
I don't know what it is, but it's an ugly looking command
i just saw under my Parallels Power Panel and it shows the hard limit is 600 and we are using 86 out of 600 but i dont understand why because we just have 5 domains on our VPS
@Dan its a parameter
@Dan because people on mSO are (amongst other things) a bunch of whingers
@lovesh ask Parallel
Dan
Dan
@Iain Seems a reasonable explanation!
09:12
@Iain can u please if i understand this parameter right--- quotaugidlimit decides the number of cpanel users i can create . right?
@lovesh I have never knowingly ever done anything with Parallels Power Panel
ok
thanks anyways
09:36
Is this worth leaving open, or flagging and have it closed but kept for historical reasons?
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Q: Key Things to look for in a Data Center

AX1I'm trying to build a simple checklist to determine the quality of a datacenter... where and what should I look for and how can I determine if what the owners say (e.g. "our UPS keep the data center up for 100 days without power") is true or not? What are typical signs or good or bad data centers?

Dan
Dan
Although it wouldn't be suitable now, there's actually some good answers and info in there
09:53
Fixed
@MarkHenderson Cheers.
Dan
Dan
s'good that
Bit of another flagging rampage from me this morning.
 
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11:53
-5
Q: I was getting married, and the wedding?

qianchengI have a question to ask, I want to buy Wedding dresses in this web site list, looking at is good, but I still want to ask for the friends of the opinion, you think how, the following is the web site: http://www.dreqm.com

12:05
@t1nt1n lol?
What's with all the tard questions today ?
thats not a tard question, thats a spammer
12:33
I would never have thought wedding dresses would be a viable product to sell via spam.
@Ladadadada no but drive by malware would be...
Well, its a matter of boosting search results, and SE is a big site
@Ladadadada all they need is a few people to think "what a stupid post to put on serverfault. They better be computer related wedding dresses...." and click on the link
:P
How do people end up in these situations?
0
Q: Cabling order on ProLiant DL180 G5 with SmartArray P800 and 3 x MSA 60 enclosures

aligotFor some reason I need to power up a system full of data without having any documentation about cabling. I have : 1 * Proliant DL 180 G5 with P800 3 * full loaded smart array 60 with probably 2 logical drive full of data Proliant DL 180 can boot without any smart array 60 attached. OS are on ...

they think they can solve everything on their own without any competence to do so
why on earth isn't that guy calling a HP partner
12:46
But how do you end up needing to power things on with no cabling?
weren't the cables previously attached?
someone let a 5 year old into a datacenter and they need to cover up?
Ola Mofos
13:03
@ewwhite if you have 5 minutes can you throw a few delete votes on some of these questions please so I can test something serverfault.com/…
Dan
Dan
Screw you HP
saw it
13:17
@Iain kk
13:44
'morning, knuckleheads
Dan
Dan
Yay, I just managed to recommend "Nuke it from orbit" in a real life conversation. I'm so proud
@ewwhite Stupidity; and lots of it.
@Dan missed the 'blast off and...' prefix though - tut
Any Android guru's around here ?
0
Q: Android: String fill text box

Lucas KauffmanI don't really know where to look as I'm starting out with Android. How would I automatically make a String assigned to a Button in Android, take on an appropriate font size according to the button's size?

Dan
Dan
@Chopper3 There may be another chance to hammer my point home, so watch this space!
14:26
morning
Morning
14:43
Considered getting a Mac Mini with OSX Server on to play around with - they do education discounts but £500 for the most entry-level mac? I'd think I'd rather bugger the legalities and make one of my laptops into a hackintosh.
Yes, the Server OS is cheap but if you get shafted for the hardware...
Even eBay isn't much help.
@tombull89 Nothing reasonable in the refurb section?
Simple solution: get a real computer.
@Basil Oh, wait, let me guess! Next up: jokes about one-button mice! :)
@jscott No mac mini's in the refub section.
@Basil If it were so easy. I'd be fine without one but I need to be ahead of the game and pre-empt the shitstorm soon coming my way.
Ha Ha! Your mouse has buttons!
14:53
@Basil How much swtor have you played
Straw poll: Does anyone else use (eg) 192.168.1.20/24 as shorthand for IP and network?
Dan
Dan
@SmallClanger Yeah, all the time
Unless it's a weird subnet
@SmallClanger Yes.
@SmallClanger aye
@jscott Ya, Thankfully they moved off the hockey puck madness
15:01
Good. :) Someone just said it was an odd notation.
@tombull89 Have you tried using VMware ?
@LucasKauffman You're not allowed to virtualise OS X unless the hardware running it on is Apple...afaik, anyway.
Dan
Dan
@SmallClanger Perfectly standard IMHO!
@SmallClanger Yep, pretty exclusively.
@SmallClanger it's pretty standard notation these days
15:03
@SmallClanger IRL or SF?
@tombull89 ur not allowed to build a hackintosh either :p but is that gonna stop you if you just want to try it out ?
@LucasKauffman I want to do it legit, I really do, but it's not easy.
IRL, just an over-the shoulder comment. Not from an expert, either, just made me doubt myself for a moment. :)
@tombull89 Sure it is; just fork out the dough. =]
It's just to tinker about with on the weekend when I've got the time, I can't justify dropping £500 on a basic machine.
15:05
@tombull89 It is easy, just expensive :p
I could have 3 HP Microservers for that price.
@ChrisS Alright if you've got the money.
I saw someone the other day on SF, think it was a nic configuration or firewall rule or something, trying to configure inet 192.168.0.5/24 mask 255.255.0.0 wasn't working the way they thought it would =D
Is there a unit that I'm not thinking of to measure CPU intensity through various workloads? Am I just thinking of CPU cycles?
Like with disks, you consider IOPS under various work loads
@Chopper3 None.
What's the non-Amazon measure of CPU units?
15:09
@Chopper3 I have enough time in my life for one MMO, if that. If WoW is ever not the top game, I'll consider switching (or stopping).
@MattSimmons I measure mine in MIPS, but you probably want a more representative sample :P
@ChrisS I have some sympathy. I think I posted it here once, I was staring at this IP, wondering why it wasn't being accepted by my config: 10.0.0.0.2
@MattSimmons: load average?
@MattSimmons The big problem you'll hit with that is that different CPUs execute the same code in a different number of cycles.
bogomips? ;p
@JourneymanGeek Honestly, that's the closest thing I could think, too ;-)
Do the other cloud providers have the idea of CPU units?
(non-amazon, I mean)
15:11
Further, certain combinations of code can cause pipeline stalls and branch prediction failures, which incur further cycle penalties, so even the same code with different data it's operating on can execute is different amounts of cycles.
And to REALLY pile it on, if other things are running on the server, they may eject data/code form the faster caches causing yet more delays even when you're running the same code on the same data on the same CPU.
Most cloud providers only measure something akin to CPU usage in uptime. Amazon does this, you're simply billed for the time your machine is turned on.
Mainframes: the original cloud.
Suck it, x86.
:D
@Basil: those who forget the past are doomed to relive it
@JourneymanGeek We never forgot the past, we're still living it. Our mainframe has been in continuous uninterrupted operation since the 70s.
15:17
@Basil: well, mainframes are different
the cloud is more akin to "Lets just centralise everything on cheap commodity systems.."
then something breaks
and everyone panics
@JourneymanGeek s/some/every
@Basil a friend of mine works with IBM bigiron and he wonders what all this virtualization hype is about having had it for just about ever
@Iain it's funny. That said, mainframes can share multiple workloads perfectly well without virtualization. It's a limitation of windows and unix that forces the "one app, one server" mentality.
which is what drove the vmware craze
Mainframe is pretty much: GIMME ALL UR JOBS NOM NOM NOM.
VMWare: Dedicated server for ALL THE THINGS.
@Basil unix forces one-app-one-server?!?
15:20
lol
@wfaulk No, but sometimes software vendors do. Before AIX LPARs, there were plenty of pizza box farms with low utilization rates.
80% of our open systems are virtualized on AIX, 19% are virtualized on vmware, and 1% aren't virtual.
IBM shop, are we?
I'm sorry to hear that
No, HP. IBM gets our unix (used to be HPUX)
and of course the mainframe
but the storage and servers are all HP
Dan
Dan
@LucasKauffman That is, quite literally, the highlight of my day
15:32
Well, I just wrote a long damned blog entry that I've been thinking about for a while
The Coming Future of System Administration
@MattSimmons does it end with "we are all gonna die" ?
@MattSimmons your blog is in the feeds for this room
No :-) It's a good future.
ah, yeah.
forgot
so it'll be coming along soon :)
yeah
@MattSimmons while you're about has LOPSA considered having a forum ?
Sorry I disappeared. I got all crazy closing tabs and didn't realize this one was one of them :)
I think it's been considered. Most of the discussion happens over the mailing lists.
Do you think there would be value in a forum?
hunter2
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15:42
Time to change my password. =)
lol
I hate it when I do that
@Adrian ::cheer::
Seen a few su - happen in here too.
@MattSimmons Personally I think it's easier and more engaging than mailing lists which (like IRC) are very beardy
reindeer-flotilla
15:43
I've been looking for a good piece of forum software that can also tie into a mailing list. The logical construction of discussions is almost completely identical; it's merely a matter of how the content is delivered.
If anyone knows of anything, I'm all ears
@MattSimmons mailing lists were a bit before my time, so forgive me if I get the wrong end of a stick with this, but coudln't you use a forum that has email notifications and reply-by-email features?
@MattSimmons Can't help there
USENET
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Everything went downhill after that.
@tombull89 Yes, I could. What's a good forum software that does that?
posted on March 06, 2012 by Matt Simmons

Four years ago, I wrote a blog entry titled The Future of System Administration. It started out with “Here’s a hint…it’s not sitting at a shell prompt typing out commands.” In it, I discussed how system administration would become development, much more like coding than like swapping disks… The future is already here — it’s [...]

15:46
@SmallClanger If you think USENET is answer to a problem, you're wrong. Now you have two problems.
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@tombull89 but they are alive and kicking today
In one of my old jobs, I set up a usenet group with mail2news posting, and read-only web archives. Not quite what you're looking for, though.
@Adrian Use 'correct horse battery staple'. It's a great password!
I heard the funniest "now you've got 2 problems" thing the other day
Something along the lines of "If you decide to solve a problem with accuracy by switching to a float, now you've got 1.9999999997 problems"
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I'm gradually changing all my passwords and using keepass - I don't know what most of mine are now and couldn't remember them if I tried
15:49
@tombull89 Everything useful the internet ever produced can be done with sendmail, innd, bash + vim everything else is just fluff.
(This may be an exaggeration)
@MattSimmons I think Simple Machines Forum does that, although I've not fully looked into the reply-by-email bit.
Thanks, I'll check into that. I have a few projects where something like that would be useful
ok, time to head home from the coffee shop. Later!
SMF is awesome
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I've used it in the past but not for massive sites.
mostly small sites, but its impressively reliable
unlike VBB. I have the urge to smack people who pay good money for that garbage
15:56
STAND BACK EVERYONE: I'M ABOUT TO PUBLISH A BLOG POST
@MattSimmons There's a forum called Trajan - it hit a stable release last year. I don't think it has reply-by-email but I expect they would be willing to add it.
Peter Grace on March 06, 2012

This topic was suggested by one of our users, Bart Silverstrim. He was curious about how companies could maintain an environment where maintenance downtimes would not actually affect customer experience. Think of large sites like Google, Facebook, CNN, pretty much any site in the quantcast or alexa top 100. These sites maintain extremely good uptime numbers, but how do they do it?

It’s no secret that sites like this employ a lot of servers to handle content delivery. There are not only load balanced server clusters but also CDNs and caching proxies that help mitigate some of the load on t …

@PeterGrace See you all in a few days when the site comes back up. =)
@PeterGrace <vader>Noooooooooooooooooooooo</vader>
@Adrian chuckle
@Adrian ROFL. No pictures this time.
15:57
@Adrian more like when the chat link becomes available again
I keep asking the devs for a badge
awww, tag markup no workie in here?
bbl gents.
ahh, no spaces allowed.
Sad.
@PeterGrace [tag: tagName]
16:01
@PeterGrace If the dev is having a good day, meta.so’s users won’t report any bugs heh - I guess people tend to notice quite quick.
Yep, that's why we use meta as the testing ground
Same goes for chat?
without the space after the :
meta.so users immediately notify us.
And lest you guys think otherwise, our devs generally are always on meta.so looking around.
@PeterGrace meta.so users are the rabble.
16:02
some people think they don't watch the community, but there's pretty much not a dev's office I don't walk into where they've got meta.so on a monitor
Thinking about the nature of some of the recent HP questions here, I'm wondering if people perceive HP ProLiant equipment as being more difficult to work with.
So what happens if something really has b0rked and you get the "no application found" error from IIS?
This question is clearly a case for support.
@voretaq7 shoal of sharks shirley ?
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Q: sb40c storage blade troubleshooting

user57182we have in our bladesystem c3000 (hp 469499-b21) a bl460c blade partnered with a sb40c storage blade as DAS. the bl460 is running diskless and the storage blade has 4 drives configured as raid 10 array. on the storage blade is a blinking red light. the enclosure health summary on the insight dis...

16:04
@Iain I was going for South Park "RabbleRabbleRabbleRabble", but that works too.
Dan
Dan
@ewwhite I dunno, really. As is advised, that'd have gone straight to HP for us
Hmm, should I play mass effect 3 to celebrate my blog post publishing
@PeterGrace you just want to see the gay sex scene
say what?
There are gays in this game? I am going to have to return it then
16:07
butt* FTFY
what about the scene where you get to punch a reporter? ;p
hahaha, yeah, I loved that.
Also, for what it's worth, I bumped uglies with Liara in Mass Effect.
which is allegedly sexist. You can play a chick, right? ;p
hmm...remote mass installation of updated graphics drivers. This is going to be interesting.
Dan
Dan
16:12
@tombull89 You worry too much. What can go wrong?
@PeterGrace Great read
@Dan thanks!
It's been sitting in waiting-to-publish for a week while I've been waiting for feedback from the devs about the final sections
Peter Grace on March 06, 2012

This topic was suggested by one of our users, Bart Silverstrim. He was curious about how companies could maintain an environment where maintenance downtimes would not actually affect customer experience. Think of large sites like Google, Facebook, CNN, pretty much any site in the quantcast or alexa top 100. These sites maintain extremely good uptime numbers, but how do they do it?

It’s no secret that sites like this employ a lot of servers to handle content delivery. There are not only load balanced server clusters but also CDNs and caching proxies that help mitigate some of the load on t …

Didn't want my "once a month" to slip too far :)
Dan
Dan
@PeterGrace Waiting for Dev's - your first mistake!
hahaha, well, if I said it wrong I'm sure I'd get an asskicking. the boss of coredev is rather muscular and he's one of the few people at SE I'm pretty sure would be able to take me out in a fight. :)
16:15
@Dan Well, I've got two options. Hack it using batch scripts and psexec, or try and do it through group policy.
Dan
Dan
@tombull89 MSI?
@PeterGrace I used to believe in the stereotypical dev until I met my fiancés best friend. Stereotypical dev she ain't!
@Dan no, extracting exe.
Dan
Dan
@tombull89 Ooh, I'd be tempted with dirty scripts :D
@Dan Yeah, it's either attempt to build an msi [which would be probably slower than manually installing on the machines] or script the extracted folder to copy and install.
@Basil sorry, was away for a while - you need to try swtor - compared to the basic wow without add-in packs it's streets ahead seriously - nearly finished my first char's main story mode and haven't been this wrapped up in a story in a game for years
Dan
Dan
16:21
@tombull89 Yeah, trying to package it is just going to give you grief unless you're willing to really devote time into it
@PeterGrace s/frought/fraught/ and s/many, many small/many, many, small/ ?
@Iain haha, Joel Spolsky just retweeted it, and 4 other people retweeted from him
I have a feeling I'm about to get a lot of comments.
Dan
Dan
Laters!
Can anybody second this request? meta.serverfault.com/questions/2377/…
I don't think I've ever heard someone call DPM by it's whole name (except the product packaging)
@ChrisS See my comment on your answer to his original question -- I don't call it anything :-P
but I have no objection to ->
(I do have an objection to just , for the same reason I want to castrate everyone who says "We run a SQL server" when they mean "We run Microsoft SQL Server 20xx" - Microsoft is not the only company on Earth)
16:50
@MDMarra It "should" be , but yeah... no.
@MDMarra probably better. Either one will come up if you start typing "data protection manager"
@MDMarra Nobody has complained...
@ChrisS Not really though. We don't prefix any other product with the company name
@MDMarra arguably we do that for every Linux distribution (though you could argue the other way just as convincingly since they're all so radically different)
@voretaq7 No, there's no tag
or tag
16:53
I don't really object to as a naked name either (because nobody else is using the name)
@MDMarra but every "Enterprise Linux" tag is rhel# - it's different just because we're not typing out the full name as redhat-enterprise-linux?
@voretaq7 If a product name is the same as the company name, then it doesn't really apply. But in instances where the product name is different, the company name has never been prepended, afaik
suse isn't novell anymore, is it?
(and yes RedHat is a special case because they put their name into the product - but so does Microsoft: It's Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Exchange, Microsoft SQL Server YYYY)
Just added -> , but I'm somewhat against the longer form being the primary... just seems like nobody uses it.
@JourneymanGeek AFAIK they still own them
Wikipedia says so, at least
16:58
@JourneymanGeek I think it got spun off but I'm not sure if it's independent or wholly owned.
blah. morning, all

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