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TylerShads

19:08

AdrianK

@TylerShads Sheesh. My bank already dropped support for FF7 last week. This rapid release thing is really starting to piss me off.

TylerShads

@AdrianK It caused me to switch to Chrome because before this, I never had a problem with FF. Ever since they started I've had more crashes than Windows ME

tombull89

ulp

0

Q: Accidental sysprep of AD machine

Major screw-up here and I need to find out how much trouble I am in. I have an AD machine that is running Server 2008 R2, hyperv, DHCP and DNS. On the hyperv machine, I have a backup AD instance running along with a handfull of other server 2008 instances. Sysprep was run on the hyperv machine ...

Holocryptic

Holy. Balls.

Aaron

ah, it's times like that I'm glad I have no idea what sysprep is

AdrianK

19:16

Wow. I only have a general understanding what he's talking about, and it still sounds like a massive suck.

Zoredache

sysprep is something that you do NOT run on a domain controller. It basically just cleans ALL those annoying settings that like to hang out in the registry.

tombull89

@Aaron basically used to wipe all customiseable setting from a machine to prepare it for deployment...let's just say you DO NOT want to be doing that on a DC.

Holocryptic

Sysprep is a MSFT utility that's used for creating images. It blank slates the machine so it can be used as a template

TylerShads

@Aaron SImple explanation: He's fucked if his back-up doesn't work.

Ethabelle

Eep. That would blow.

Aaron

19:19

@tombull89, more specifically, tt's times like this that I like that the entire router configuration is a flat file. I can print it out and type it in on console if need be and I'm guaranteed it will be the same as it was on the replaced hardware

tombull89

@TylerShads or if he doesn't have a backup (more likely, he doesn't).

TylerShads

@tombull89 Says he does as of last night

Holocryptic

He states he has a backup. But sounds like he's scared to use it.

tombull89

Oh, well. Better get started then, hasn't he?

Holocryptic

Indeed

tombull89

19:20

@Zoredache woaaah where did you ninja in from?

Holocryptic

Fun little tidbit not related to anything. I died in my dream last night. That was fun.

TylerShads

@Holocryptic DIdn't see that part...which means he probably clicked differential after only 1 full backup...a few years ago

Zoredache

@tombull89 huh? What do you mean?

TylerShads

@Holocryptic Yeah, saw the tweet, you need some more percs or somethin

Holocryptic

@TylerShads clearly

TylerShads

19:21

Well that was a new dream for me. Death in a nuclear blast. Heart still racing and can't get back to sleep...

Tweeted by Holocryptic on January 31, 2012 at 8:16 AM

tombull89

@Zoredache Didn't see your gravatar in chat at all and then BOOM. Message and a comment on that question.

Holocryptic

@TylerShads And by 8:16, that's really 3:16

less than 3 hours after falling asleep

Aaron

ooh, should we add @Holocryptic's feed to the room?

Holocryptic

Oh, you don't want my feed in here. It's only slightly less NSFW than I am in here.

TylerShads

I can do that if you'd like >=D

Holocryptic

19:23

And I tweet a lot

a lot

Zoredache

@tombull89 I dunno about that. I connected a couple hours ago. I saw my own gravatar...

Holocryptic

You'd get annoyed.

tombull89

@Zoredache ah, probably failings on my end then.

AdrianK

@Holocryptic I'm surprised it wasn't a dream where you died from trying to pass one of those Mayan monoliths out your snake. =D

Holocryptic

@AdrianK haha

As far as deaths went, it was pretty spectacular. There's was a ton of lightning and thunder and rain. Then BOOM lightning struck a power plant, which looked nothing nuclear, until it blew up. The whole pillar of fire was neat, and the smokestack was flung up in the air towards me, but the airblast and fire got to me first. Everything went white and I woke up.

Pretty crazy.

TylerShads

19:30

@Holocryptic White? Why not black , you racist.

Holocryptic

@TylerShads Well, it was kinda multicolored and sparkly at first, but faded to white. So yeah, I guess I'm a racist.

TylerShads

Makes sense

Peter Grace

@Holocryptic nevermind the fact that lightning could not trigger a nuclear reactor to explode like a bomb, right?

AdrianK

I SO want to post a comment there suggesting the OP put their head between their knees and kiss their ass goodbye. =D

Holocryptic

@PeterGrace Well, lightning struck and set something on fire. Then it went nuclear.

@PeterGrace Also, lightning struck before it was a nuclear power plant. Then it turned into one. When it blew up.

@AdrianK If they have a backup, it should be fine. They just have a bunch of work ahead of them.

Peter Grace

19:34

Ah.

N U C L E O C E P T I O N

Holocryptic

@Ethabelle Hello. Almost missed you in all the talk of sysprepped Domain Controllers and nuclear holocaust.

Although that's almost one and the same.

@PeterGrace Pretty much

MDMarra

@PeterGrace got any "ins" at Fog Creek? I have a phone interview next week some time.

AdrianK

sigh 3 hours and 7 ticket entries just to get new power strips up to the office. I still don't understand why my IS dept. ends up responsible for office supplies that use 120V when we have an Admin. dept. for that stuff.

@MDMarra very cool.

Holocryptic

@AdrianK I remember those days

@MDMarra Are they aware of your dislike of all things developer?

MDMarra

@Holocryptic Their recruiter found me through my SF profile

TylerShads

19:38

@MDMarra Good luck

Holocryptic

@MDMarra Neat

MDMarra

And for the record, I don't hate all developers. I just hate ones that do dumb shit like turn our online personnel directory into a white-listed spam-thrower.

Holocryptic

@MDMarra That's pretty much all developers

MikeyB

OK, seriously guys? There's a better way of doing this.

-r--r--r-- 1 root root 10197 Jan 18 09:03 002545cff798.cfg
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8669 Dec 2 13:34 002545cff798.cfg.20111202
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10161 Dec 19 09:54 002545cff798.cfg.20111219
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10197 Jan 18 09:01 002545cff798.cfg.20120118

jscott

@MikeyB Yeah, I prefer the 20111202 as the file name prefix, so it sorts all pretty like. :)

Holocryptic

19:40

What am I looking at?

jscott

Version-control, I've heard of it.

Holocryptic

oh, old configs

AdrianK

I don't see the point in having the date at the beginning of a list. 'ls -lart' does that just fine. Old crap hanging around though, well, that's for poor sad-sacks who don't have automated config management like me.

Peter Grace

@mdmarra we eat lunch with them every day

@mdmarra we're essentially the same company.

@mdmarra what position?

sysadmin I assume? You really wanna commute up here erryday? :)

Zypher

pftt only those with families commute, real men move to manhatten

MDMarra

19:45

@PeterGrace It's a Systems Engineering opening

Holocryptic

Those who can afford it

MDMarra

I'd move if I got it. I don't have a house to sell or anything

I also don't have roots here. I've only lived in this area for ~4 years

Zypher

@MDMarra it's not so bad even if you do have roots

but yea ... manhatten, the adult disney world (vagas is the adult disney land)

Peter Grace

hah

MDMarra

The job description is a bit vague, so I don't know if I'm actually qualified but that's not for me to decide anyway.

@Zypher You live in the city now?

Or are you in a suburb

Zypher

19:49

@MDMarra fuck suburbs i'm in manhatten :)

MDMarra

hahaha

Peter Grace

@Zypher is livin the dream

Ethabelle

@Holocryptic Hihi again ^.^!

Zypher

@MDMarra You'll be fine

MDMarra

It's funny, because being a Red Sox fan and native of Massachusetts, I've always said that I would never consider moving to NYC. Then, I started using trello, which lead me to the Fog Creek page and I was like, damn those are nice offices. I could see myself working there. A week later, out of the clear blue, I had an email in my inbox telling me I should apply

Holocryptic

19:52

Yeah. The only difference between @MDMarra and @Zypher is size. They both have the whole angry neckbeard and fuzzy eyebrow thing going on

He'll be fine.

MDMarra

hahaha

Holocryptic

@Ethabelle Just swinging your way through here, eh?

Peter Grace

@MDMarra NJ Transit from trenton or hamilton up to newark, PATH train from newark to world trade center, then world trade center to our offices is about a half mile walk.

MDMarra

@PeterGrace I couldn't do that every day. I'd move.

Peter Grace

Just saying, for when you interview, that's the easiest mass transit way to get there

MDMarra

19:53

Ah, got ya

Well, I haven't gotten that far yet.

Peter Grace

WOW

so, I set my soda next to my laptop's fan

hot soda is actually kinda... good.

Holocryptic

probably a bad idea

unless you're weird like @PeterGrace

Ethabelle

@Holocryptic Basically and also being sad it's 57 degrees outside and I'm indoors. :'( Such a sad fate.

Holocryptic

@Ethabelle terrible, terrible

TylerShads

@PeterGrace You, sir, are insane

Holocryptic

19:56

@TylerShads If the pay was good, I could do that short term. But I'd have to move closer after a while

TylerShads

@Holocryptic Prolly something similar I'll have to do once/if I move. GF and I are looking for bensalem area-ish in PA, 40-1hr drive from my current job where I'm literally 5min right now.

I'll do it for a bit, but I'd eventually would want a job in the area

MDMarra

@TylerShads Bensalem? WHY?

Peter Grace

@TylerShads wait, you're in PA too?

I'm looking in Yardley/Richboro/Newtownish area

Holocryptic

@TylerShads That's not a bad drive if there's no traffic. If there's traffic, that sucks.

TylerShads

@MDMarra I said ish

@PeterGrace southern NJ

Iain

19:58

evening

MDMarra

@PeterGrace Ya dude, his GF is a vegetarian so she won't go to El Camino with him.

TylerShads

@Iain G'day sir

MDMarra

(poor bastard)

Holocryptic

Hey @Iain

Peter Grace

haha

TylerShads

19:59

@MDMarra We did take another loook at Memphis taproom and proly will head there in a week or two

MDMarra

El Camino is my absolute favorite

TylerShads

@MDMarra And it's Vegan :D

MDMarra

They have a sandwich called the Chronic

The Chronic is: Pulled pork on a home made roll with delicious BBQ sauce on it, topped with their Mac and Cheese that has bacon on it

And it comes with enough fries to be a meal by itself

Ethabelle

Dear god...

MDMarra

I'm telling you dude. Break up with her and go eat one.

TylerShads

20:00

Bensalem, Trevose, Feasterville, Levittown area is where we're looking. We have a long way to go and I'm a cynical prick when it comes to big decisions so i don't forsee this happening until December anyway. Any recommendations for PA while I have you guys' attention :D

MDMarra

Then apologize and move to Bensalem

TylerShads

@MDMarra That sounds sexy

Peter Grace

Trevose isn't too bad

Bensalem is a little too close to philthydelphia

Holocryptic

@MDMarra 0.0

TylerShads

She has no problem wtih me eating meat, I just feel bad dragging her to a non-vegan restaraunt as she can only eat a lettuce salad

MDMarra

20:01

@Holocryptic It's only like 8 bucks too

The place is amazing

Peter Grace

@TylerShads kids?

Ethabelle

@MDMarra That sandwich sounds like it was crafted from the bowels of the most sacred place on earth, given to humanity as an offering of natures love for her people.

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Zypher

@TylerShads Society hill?

MDMarra

I go there and think "well the food is so cheap, I'd better get 5 more blood orange mojitos"

TylerShads

@PeterGrace nah, we practically are, i'm 22 and she just turned 21

@Zypher what is this?

Peter Grace

20:02

@TylerShads ok, well, school districts matter for people with family but in your case, meh.

Zypher

Society Hill, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Society Hill is a neighborhood in the Center City section of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States. The neighborhood, loosely defined as bounded by Walnut, Lombard, Front and 7th Streets, contains the largest concentration of original 18th- and early 19th-century architecture of any place in the United States. Society Hill is noted as a charming district with cobblestone streets bordered by brick rowhouses in Federal and Georgian style. History The district is named after the 18th century Free Society of Traders, which had its offices at Front Street on the hill above Dock Creek. ...

Peter Grace

gah

TylerShads

@Zypher Ahh, thanks but I'd rather not live in the city. By the city is fine for like a quick drive, atm I'm about 15min or so out of philly but blech I hate cities

Peter Grace

oxford valley might be a good choice too

Zypher

@TylerShads where are you at now?

Peter Grace

20:03

fairly upscale

MDMarra

@TylerShads Where are you now?

I'm in KoP

TylerShads

@Zypher Marlton, NJ

MDMarra

Well, now I'm in Philly

but I live in KoP

TylerShads

@PeterGrace upscale as in nice, or expensive?

Zypher

@TylerShads ewwwww the jerz

MDMarra

20:05

Lol @ jersey guy

TylerShads

@Zypher shrug I have no problem with it, honestly.

Except prices (property/car insurance) its not too bad

MDMarra

I'm in a fantasy baseball league with a bunch of old friends from UMass. One of them is from Jersey and the commissioner always changes his team name to "Dirty Jerz" and locks it so that he can't change it for the rest of the season.

TylerShads

@MDMarra lulz. Some places are complete shit cough camden cough 3/4 of towns around where I live are farmville but my area is nice. NOt to packed, but not spaced out at all.

MDMarra

@TylerShads Rutgers Camden is hiring!

TylerShads

@MDMarra For what? Bodyguard?

MDMarra

20:08

If you want to try your hand at Higher-Ed IT while being raped in an alley, now's your chance.

TylerShads

My dreams come true!

AdrianK

Anyone got suggestions for increasing question visibility? Or is this simply a subject few folks would care about?

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Q: Traffic routing with unreliable connections

I have a group of offices that are all connected to the main office via DSL links on the far end to save costs. (We're a non-profit, don't ask) We've historically had noticeable problems with the link-up between the ISP that handles our remote sites and the ISP that handles the T1 lines our Open...

vpn routing

Holocryptic

That's a bit over my head, honestly

The bounty's a good way though

wfaulk

One of our customers cancelled their backups with us. It turns out that our backup solution doesn't understand a copy-to-tape policy that copies zero things to tape. So it decided to copy everything to tape.

Holocryptic

ooooo

MDMarra

20:14

@AdrianK Interesting question

Why can't you always point it at the external interface?

voretaq7

@wfaulk sensible default!

AdrianK

@MDMarra Then it would go always out over the internet, and the Mail server's public IP is DSL with a 768k upload cap. Our VPN has bonded T1 upstream at 3Mbit. The difference is very noticeable.

It's a wierd situation, but we've had that particular static IP address since the late 90s. The boss will not look kindly on changing that.

MDMarra

Ohhh, I misunderstood your setup

Makes sense.

Peter Grace

@TylerShads I think both, but @MDmarra @Zypher might have alternate thoughts -- Oxford Valley?

AdrianK

@MDMarra I think my 'solution' is a bit hackish, even if it works quite well. I've always considered that the need for a script to run every 2-3 minutes to check something is the sign of a crappy solution.

MDMarra

20:20

@PeterGrace Like, Oxford Valley Mall?

@AdrianK Have it run every 5 seconds then :)

Joking, of course. Kinda.

Zoredache

@AdrianK Maybe update your question with a network map/diagram? I am not sure I understand the where the problem is. It sounds like you may have multiple connections at the sites?

AdrianK

@MDMarra you have a point though. Ought to convert it to a continuously running script and implement it as a service.

MDMarra

There's no way you can have your ISPs resolve the reliability issue?

@AdrianK Doesn't openVPN support executing commands at the creation and termination of tunnels?

Peter Grace

@mdmarra yup -- somewhat upscale, wouldnt you say?

AdrianK

@MDMarra The unreliability is between Level3 and its peers.

Zoredache

20:22

@MDMarra yes, it does.

AdrianK

@MDMarra Doh. Yes it does.

Zoredache

@AdrianK You know the openvpn client can be configured to have multiple servers it can connect to? Why not adjust the VPN, so if the primary route fails, it crosses the second connection?

AdrianK

@Zoredache I know. Not currently authorized to work on that. It's up my sleeve for next year.

Zoredache

I use that in several places where I have a reliable+slow link and a crappy fast link. The trick is that you have to get it to switch back to the other link when it is back up.

TylerShads

@PeterGrace Haven't looked around there. Got advice from someone that lives in philly that works here to draw abouta 5mile radius around Neshaminy Mall and those areas are nice

Zoredache

20:24

I just do that with monit against something on the unreliable link. After, a restored outage it restarts the vpn.

AdrianK

@Zoredache I also want to get failover working to our 'warm backup' site in case of earthquake, etc.

MDMarra

@AdrianK when the connection blows up, does it kill the tunnel cleanly? i.e. would a script triggered by that actually run?

AdrianK

@MDMarra Oh yeah. OpenVPN's sweet. That Steinmetz VPNd crap we ran until last year had major problems with that.

Peter Grace

@TylerShads yep, oxford valley is about 5 miles northeast of neshaminy

TylerShads

and @MDMarra, are you referring to the Sysadmin job there? I honestly wouldn't take it. I think I can learn a lot and have here, but I wouldn't be confident enough to throw myself into an actual sysadmin job for a giant place like that, with only this small shop under my belt.

MDMarra

20:26

@PeterGrace I dunno about that area too much

AdrianK

@mdmarra You wanna kick in an answer to that effect?

MDMarra

@TylerShads Rutgers Camden isn't really giant. Plus, higher ed is a lot more tolerant with hiring people with potential that aren't quite there yet and growing them

@AdrianK Sure

TylerShads

@MDMarra Even if I go there and prolly literally shit my pants the first day? Haha

AdrianK

@MDMarra Thanks. I really have to get out of the habit of doing thing the quick & dirty way. Too many years of doing that around here getting me into bad habits.

MDMarra

@AdrianK We use OpenVPN here for client access, so I've played with it a bit. Especially because the Linux client won't automatically change /etc/resolve.conf, even though it can on Windows and OS X.

AdrianK

20:31

@MDMarra Tell me about it. Spent half a day scratching my head over that one when I started testing.

Zoredache

@MDMarra The linux client can change resolv.conf, with additional software (resolvconf)

MDMarra

@Zoredache Interesting. I'll have to take a look at it.

Zoredache

Not sure if that is present on all distributions though. It is a bash script on Debian (and derived). Each tool that can set DNS calls that script. That script then updates the resolv.conf based on some configuration and defined logic. It can also update bind forwarders, squid configuration. It can restart things and so on.

AdrianK

@Zoredache Yeah, I thought about that for quite a bit. Eventually realized that I didn't want resolv.conf changing and left it out. More than happy for users to report that they can't reach the DNS server than to get amorphous reports of things working differently than they did an hour before.

MikeyB

20:56

I can't believe this question is still around and with so many upvotes.

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A: Two servers using same name servers?

Certainly! If each server needed a server of its own, you'd end up with a horrific sort of pyramid scheme where the servers at the bottom wouldn't have any servers to call upon. Edit: fixed avatar

pauska

Jacob, Virginia Beach, VA

3.1k 6 18

dns apache2 networking ip linux amazon-ec2 pfsense

is he still waiting for santa? Poor chap :( Someone should tell him christmas is over

AdrianK

@MikeyB All I can say is 'job security'

voretaq7

AdrianK

@voretaq7 So in other words, you're saying the question sucked right away too.

voretaq7

21:11

@AdrianK yes, but it had Paddington Bear.

AdrianK

21:36

@voretaq7 Oh! I'm getting old enough that I can't see that. Or maybe my monitor sucks. Yeah, that's what we'll say.

gorram Ruby libXML crap. grr

Jeff Ferland

@voretaq7 Why does everyone have the same user icon in that screenshot?

WesleyDavid

@JeffFerland Because @Chopper3

Sam

Evening all

AdrianK

howdy @Sam.

Aaron

@JeffFerland :

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A: The Many Memes of Meta

Meme: Paddington Bear Choppertars Originator: http://meta.serverfault.com/users/1435/chopper3 Cultural Height: SF regulars are pretty ADD - Most of us switched back to normal avatars about a week after that meta question was asked. Background: See Paddington Bear Choppertar, it's all explained...

Read and weep

Sam

21:43

Ah, fun times

voretaq7

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Q: Paddington Bear Choppertar

Many of our top users seem to have avatars with a picture of themselves in a car with what appears to me to be Paddington Bear: So what is the story behind this?

discussion fun bears many-bears

Holocryptic

shit. no onebox?

voretaq7

@Holocryptic nope.

doesn't know it means "image"

Holocryptic

there we go

AdrianK

Which reminds me, one of these days I need to get unicode working on these terminal servers.

Mark Henderson

21:49

@AdrianK I think it would be easier to get the rest of the world to use the first 128 characters of ASCII

AdrianK

@MarkHenderson Entirely likely.

OOOH! Somebody is opening a new Hawaiian-style fried chicken and whiskey restaurant in my neighborhood. THIS should be interesting.

Mark Henderson

@AdrianK Is that chicken with pinapple stuck to it?

AdrianK

@MarkHenderson Beats me. But there's whiskey there, so it's worth a test-drive.

Mark Henderson

Chicken and whiskey...

Hmm

I'd probably give that a whirl

Holocryptic

Yeah, I'd hit that

WesleyDavid

22:04

Five hours later, Zimbra on CentOS 6!

>_<

Mark Henderson

Quicker than a properly configured Exchange setup

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Yeah, but I've done that before. I could get it done in 45 minutes. =P

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Man on our networks it takes 45 minutes just to update the schemas and run the pre-requisite tests

WesleyDavid

Unless the forest needed extending. Everytime I have to mess with an AD's schema people die.

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Mark Henderson

And then remember you don't have some obscure update installed :p

WesleyDavid

22:06

@MarkHenderson Yep, that's usually the case.

And somewhere along the line, an impact drill is needed.

And some ski masks, a cold compress and non-sequential unmarked bills.

AdrianK

Zimbra work pretty well for calendaring?

Rob Moir

been playing about with trello at work.

AdrianK

I'd look into Trello if they didn't treat having FF3.6 as a form of leprosy.

WesleyDavid

@AdrianK I'm hoping so. I opted to put Zimbra on my dedi instead of using hosted Exchange.

Rob Moir

yeah, my boss runs IE 8 on an XP box. I don't think he was that impressed that all the people working the migration project were on trello, tracking stuff and giving a grand total of zero fucks that he couldn't easily keep track of it

AdrianK

22:15

@WesleyDavid We have a basic Postfix/CyrusIMAP here. But we don't have a good calendaring solution for our staff, so it's a bit of an issue.

Rob Moir

I <3 exchange. Its got me a few jobs over the years, for a start

AdrianK

The 3 hour cool-down for awarding bounties is annoying.

WesleyDavid

@RobMoir Yeah, Exchange is cool. I don't hate on it if it's 2007 and newer.

Rob Moir

yeah. as per any software install, 10 year old installations need to be taken out and shot

Holocryptic

Exchange 2003 is the pinnacle of mail server technology. Fuck you.

WesleyDavid

22:18

@Holocryptic Don't you mean, Microsoft Mail?

Holocryptic

Oh yeah. That

WesleyDavid

How many people know that Microsoft's first "MTA" that eventually became Exchange was really a product for AppleTalk networks?

Rob Moir

Exchange 2003 was good in its day. Its day was a while ago now.

Sam

My university dissertation was on Exchange :)

WesleyDavid

Sometimes you have to encourage these guys to go back to basics to get more page views:

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Q: What is the difference between /tmp and /var/tmp?

On most FHS systems, there is a /tmp folder as well as a /var/tmp folder. What is the functional difference between the two?

fhs tmp

Seriously, not one StackExchange return for that question on Google.

Aaron

22:21

I want to reply /var

Although I don't know what 'FHS' means either

WesleyDavid

Filesystem Hierarchy Standard

The Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) defines the main directories and their contents in Linux operating systems. For the most part, it is a formalization and extension of the traditional BSD filesystem hierarchy. The FHS is maintained by the Linux Foundation, a non-profit organization consisting of major software and hardware vendors, such as HP, Red Hat, IBM and Dell. The current version is 2.3, announced on January 29, 2004. Overview Most Linux distributions follow the FHS and declare it their own policy to maintain FHS compliance. When the FHS was created, other UNIX and Unix...

AdrianK

@RobMoir Last January I finally pulled and decomm'd an AMD K6-450 with Mandrake 5 that was our main network router.

Rob Moir

cool

AdrianK

@RobMoir Power Supply died just short of 1000 days uptime too.

Iain

@WesleyDavid if you'd asked that on SF google probably would have had it in 5 minutes

WesleyDavid

22:27

@AdrianK Awww. =(

Mark Henderson

FFS my boss asked me to change the radio station in the office, and the one he asked me to change it to is playing Taylor Swift

Vommmmmmit

WesleyDavid

@Iain And it would have been downvoted, voted to be closed and migrated to SuperUser. =P

Rob Moir

I can see why you'd want serious uptime on a router but outside that, by and large I don't get the obsession with uptime.

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Awww, but it's happy, innocent, fun music.

AdrianK

@WesleyDavid Missed it by 6 days. On the bright side, it saved me from having to buy the team lunch. I promised them I'd buy lunch for the guys if we made it there. Facilities F'd up the 3rd leg of our power which blew that server's P/S and cut power to half the server room.

Mark Henderson

22:29

@WesleyDavid Exactly. The normal radio station drops the F-bomb in songs at least once every 10 minutes

Iain

@WesleyDavid possibly

WesleyDavid

@RobMoir thenubbyadmin.com/2010/06/16/…

I just saw someone that has a Solaris box that's going on 20 years of uptime

Last rebooted in '93 I think.

AdrianK

@WesleyDavid I'm actually in the epic fail department. I bitch about being unable to patch my equipment at least quarterly.

WesleyDavid

Let's not ponder the security implications, but rather consider the awesome power grid he's on.

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Or the size of the UPS

WesleyDavid

22:30

@AdrianK Yeah, I prefer scheduled reboots. If a machine hasn't been rebooted in a month, I get nervous.

Rob Moir

@WesleyDavid - that article of yours sums up how I feel to a degree. I'm far less interested in hardware uptime than I am in service availability.

Mark Henderson

This comment concerns me:

Jonathan “@j_angliss” Angliss: @Nonapeptide generally speaking, reboots usually only apply for kernel type stuffs, windows is worse due to dll hell, and running services

DLL Hell? Serious;y?

AdrianK

@MarkHenderson ?

Mark Henderson

What is this? 1995?

Zypher

haha, like linux doesn't have a similar problem

AdrianK

22:32

@MarkHenderson I hear Microsoft staff still using that term.

Mark Henderson

When I hear people talking about DLL Hell, I can only assume they havent touched a Windows Server box in roughyl 10 years

Zypher

my favorite are cirular lib dependancies

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Kinda like people who bitch about RPM hell?

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Haha well I don't know what that is shame face

AdrianK

If you're not running into that stuff occasionally, you're not doing anything particular interesting with your boxen. shrug

Rob Moir

22:34

i always get suspicious of OS advocacy types who base their opinion of an alternative product on some hybrid version of the alternative that never actually existed, based on their experiences with a 10 year old version and a few horror stories they've heard since then.

Mark Henderson

@RobMoir We don't tolerate people judging others by the colour of their skin (any more, anyway), so why do we judge others based on their operating system. Makes me annoyed.

WesleyDavid

@RobMoir I'm just suspicious of people. "Oh, you're human?" glares

@MarkHenderson Yeah, but you're a Windows guy so you obviously suck.

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid No I'm a kitty. Just like you. Mah balls be huge

Rob Moir

@WesleyDavid you're a cat. Cats are suspicious.

Mark Henderson

@RobMoir Im a kitty. kitties are cute as shit

They're so cute they make your head fucking explode

Rob Moir

22:36

@MarkHenderson plenty of bigots of all kinds still about. People love to be tribal over something or other

WesleyDavid

@RobMoir throws spear

AdrianK

@RobMoir cough Star Wars MMORPG

Rob Moir

my last cat was 23 years old. She was as cranky as hell in the end

Mark Henderson

@RobMoir Damn, that's a long life for a cat

Longest we had was 9 years, and she died of cancer

Rob Moir

@AdrianK - what? I play it. I don't think any more or less of people who don't or who play WOW instead

Mark Henderson

22:37

Before that, about 18 months was the record before they got squished by a truck

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Eww.

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid I grew up in the country, where you have a ... less sensitive ... view to the life of animals

If any pet of mine ever has cause to go to the vet, it's most likely not coming home

Rob Moir

i'm looking after my nephew and niece for a long weekend this month while my bro and his wife go away for a quick vacation and we're gonna go to a nearby pet rescue place to see if they can persuade me to get a new cat, or dog

Mark Henderson

@RobMoir Uhh, children are quite different to pets :p

Although they will both shit on the floor if you give them the oppertunity

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson shrug I grew up suburban, but with a country parent who had a small farm with horses, cows, chickens, ducks and etc. There was usually lots of fuss over animal health anyway. Strange the differences.

Mark Henderson

22:40

@WesleyDavid Ah, well the animals were probably their livelihood, and I can totally understand that

AdrianK

@RobMoir You kids and your new fangled stuff. Play RPGs with TELNET like God and Richard Bartle intended! =D

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Yes, one can help you maintain your health and the other will put you in the cheapest nursing home available. =P

Mark Henderson

Where I grew up there were three levels:

- Farm Animals that make you money. They get the best care.
- Working animals (such as sheep dogs). They are strictly for working and you do not play with them, and they are replacable, but it takes a long time to train them up.

keep going down...

- Pets

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Oh, yeah. I meant pet health too. But yes, most farmers I knew looked at cats as those things that lived in the barn and kept the mice from eating too much grain.

Rob Moir

i know. That cheeky little git of a nephew of mine got me good the other day. Not bad for an 11 year old. He's totally getting coal for christmas this year for that

AdrianK

22:42

@RobMoir Hang him by his ankles for a half-hour or so. Repeat as needed.

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid - the biggest fail in this pic is the uptime? thenubbyadmin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/uptime.FAIL_.gif

My eye was immediately drawn to "Netware v3.12" from 1993...

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson IPX/SPX was awesome! =)

AdrianK

CentOS is quite the pain in the ass for trying to get Ruby set up for Puppet. =/

Zoredache

@Iain It might have been migrated, but it could have just as easily been closed as a duplicate... serverfault.com/questions/220000/…

Zypher

@WesleyDavid which is why IPv6 is TEH AWESOMER

Zoredache

22:50

@WesleyDavid You did Search/Google first right? :p

Chopper3

@WesleyDavid I used to know that well

WesleyDavid

@Zoredache I did, and saw nothing on Stack Exchange, so tried to fix that problem. =P

TylerShads

TylerShads used Ninja Strike on @WesleyDavid It was super effective

Zoredache

@WesleyDavid Where did you search from? The search on stackexchange.com uses google. stackexchange.com/search?q=%22%2Fvar%2Ftmp%22+%2Ftmp%22 and finds from any site.

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid God, I don't even remember anything about it, except that I used to play C&C and Doom over it

And a few years ago I tried to extend it over a VPN so I could play with my friend, and it did work, but it was laggggy

WesleyDavid

22:54

@Zoredache I just went to Google straight away and tried /tmp /var/tmp difference or something

Mark Henderson

23:12

What the fuck? serverfault.com/suggested-edits/5074

AdrianK

I assume you Mod guys have the ability to give rightfully-deserved boot up the ass of those kind of ijits?

Mark Henderson

@AdrianK Of people who would harrass a poor 23/f from somewhere in china?

Or people who make those sorts of edits?

AdrianK

The latter. Probably not much we could do with the former.

Mark Henderson

@AdrianK It was an anon edit

So, nothing we can do. Plus I feel a bit sorry for her if she's legitimate

TylerShads

@MarkHenderson What the bloody fuck?

AdrianK

23:16

@MarkHenderson Ah, I figured it said anonymous due to my low rep. And why precisely do we allow anonymous edits?

Mark Henderson

But she wants us to fire some guy and make hiim cry like a girl

@AdrianK Edits like this are few and far between. And that's why they need to be approved.

Zoredache

@AdrianK They are permitted because we want to do everything we can to get people to provide useful help to the site.

AdrianK

More power to ya. I probably wouldn't have the patience to deal with that daily for a year. The 8-10 messages a day I moderate on my motorcycle list is quite enough.

@Zoredache What OS you run your Puppet server under?

AdrianK

23:32

Hehe. So how do I flag a tag? =D [fucking-dell]

Mark Henderson

fucking-dell

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WesleyDavid

MOAR CATZ!!!

Tom O'Connor

Bah. Someone noticed.

AdrianK

I watch the new tags page.

Zoredache

@AdrianK Debian 6

AdrianK

23:43

@Zoredache Cool. At first blush, CentOS doesn't seem to have very good Debian/Puppet support. Will take a peek at Debian tomorrow.

Zoredache

I use the packages from the squeeze-backports repository because I wanted some 2.7 features.

Mark Henderson

@TomOConnor Hahahaha even I didn't see that tag

Bad Tom

(I had to stop myself from writing a 2nd Tom on that sentence)

Tom O'Connor

Bad Day

Mark Henderson

I wish i could help with your problem, but our M610's PXE booted just fine

(which I know is not helpful)

Although we were booting from the 1GbE interfaces, not the 10GbE

Tom O'Connor

@MarkHenderson It's a tricky problem. Dell appear to be stumped too.

I spent a good 10 hours puzzling over that problem

then i went out to get drunk.

it was such an anti-climax.. we powered them up, couldn't make em PXE.

i've got the sysadmin version of blueballs.

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fmysky

23:59

does anyone know about port name 'resacommunity' ?

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