The Comms Room

Holocryptic

18:00

@Iain I love that so much it's not even funny

@ShaneMadden SANTA HAT NOA!

TylerShads

@Iain I love the @voretaq7 one the most

Shane Madden

@Holocryptic Nice.

@Holocryptic I've got a maintenance window to do to tinker with a mess of an IIS setup.. but I'll get it fixed after that

Ward

@ShaneMadden What? Where are your priorities?

Iain

@Ward probably not

Ward

Hmmm, I don't know if Yaya is quite right.

I guess I'll change it to Derpy.

@Holocryptic waddya think?

Holocryptic

18:10

@Ward Approved

Go with my blessing

Ward

Is there an easy way to go back to the default generated gravatar?

TylerShads

@Ward probably not

Holocryptic

oo, good question. I don't know

Can you save the default one out to a png or something?

and then import it back in?

Ward

Derpy w/ hat for now.

Although my yaya image is still cached.

Holocryptic

Ah, mine did go back to the default I had before

Just unselect the picture and it should go back

pauska

18:26

'lo

Holocryptic

Hey. You need a Santa hat. Its mandatory now.

Ward

@pauska Hat. Now.

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Q: It's Santa Time!

Let's do this. What with the DramaLlama being out in full force, I think it's time to take a breather and bring the funny back. To wit: I propose the Santification of your gravatars till after the new year. Some of us have already gotten started. You can use the image as your baseline. or ...

pauska

hm

TylerShads

Do it

do it

NAO

make it the sock, too =D

Ward

@TylerShads LOL, yeah, a sock would be ok.

Iain

18:33

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TylerShads

Love it

pauska

dang, it's hard to cut the hat out in paint

Holocryptic

@pauska there's links to some editors up above

TylerShads

@pauska paint.net + magic wand. Click on the white space w/ that tool, then press delete

Holocryptic

oh is that what you do...?

I was clicking like a madman trying to figure that out

TylerShads

18:36

Tis how I did it, and I think mine came out not too bad

pauska

@Holocryptic: WHY U NOT PROVIDE DONE PNG'S???

Holocryptic

Then I had problems resizing it to fit my gravatar

Ben Pilbrow

I posted a PNG with a transparent BG earlier!!

3 hours ago, by Ben Pilbrow

Ward

In MS Paint, there's a selection under the Image menu "Draw Opaque" I turned that off and it worked well enough.

Using Ben's PNG, that is.

Holocryptic

@BenPilbrow ummm, there's still a white background there sir

:)

Ward

18:38

Cmon @pauska, you look naked in the chat history w/out a hat.

Holocryptic

@pauska Y U NO GET HERE SOONER?!

pauska

IM WORKING ON IT OK

TylerShads

Just what we need...@pauska naked.... cringe

Ben Pilbrow

@Holocryptic oops, I just facepalmed, then realised you were joking

I fail

Holocryptic

lol

Iain

18:40

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Holocryptic

@Iain to the rescue

pauska

thank you sir

Holocryptic

LOL

TylerShads

Thats....creepy

Iain

I now have an @pauska to elf :)

Holocryptic

18:41

yessss

TylerShads

Makes me glad I don't use a real picture

Holocryptic

There's pictures of me around here too...

pauska

updated

but no idea how to force sf to update from openid

err gravatar

Holocryptic

It won't take long

few minutes at most

They've apparently improved the integration so you don't need to hard refresh the page anymore

@WesleyDavid HAT. NAO!

Scott Pack

I wonder how hard it would be to write a user script that would replace @pauska's gravatar with that santa sock.

Holocryptic

18:45

lol

WesleyDavid

@Holocryptic If someone makes it for me, I'll do it.

Scott Pack

It should be relatively simple. I mean, this would actually be a 'One Line Of Perl' moment.

WesleyDavid

I just need one more uboat to get a "Nice Answer" -- Where's my sock account...

I mean... I wish I had a sock account.

I mean... sock accounts are evil.

I mean, @pauska is evil.

Holocryptic

@SimonSheehan You need a hat, sir

WesleyDavid

@Holocryptic He needs two.

Holocryptic

18:48

this is true

Tom O'Connor

Here we go again.

Iain

@WesleyDavid

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Holocryptic

AHAHAHAHA

very nice

Iain

cute kitteh

pauska

hah

mother of all..

Holocryptic

18:58

@pauska I tensed up watching that

MikeyB

@pauska Sweet jumping holy shit oh my god..

dyasny

whoa

pauska

I'd need new boxers if something like that happens to me..

Holocryptic

I think I'd need to change my pants

pauska

Imagine if gif's had sound..

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA‌AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaa......aaah!

Holocryptic

19:00

annnnnnd. Poop.

dyasny

a ladder flew off the roof of a pickup truck that was right in front of me once, we were doing ~120km/h. I don't know how it bypassed my car, it just flew straight ahead, and passed me on the left hand side, hit the bus behind me

Holocryptic

0_o

dyasny

but this definitely beats it

Holocryptic

You need a hat @dyasny

dyasny

LOL, no xmas here, sorry

Holocryptic

19:03

It's non-denominational

dyasny

I mean it's not celebrated, it's over 20C and snow can only be found in a broken freezer

Holocryptic

@dyasny australia?

dyasny

@Holocryptic Israel

Holocryptic

huh. Your profile says Illinois, and your Linkedin says UK/Ireland.

I bet you're a spy

oh, read that wrong. UK/Ireland market. Still, I think spy.

dyasny

@Holocryptic LOL, IL as in .il :) It's quite common actually. As for linkedin, I really do need to update, left .ie over 3 years ago

TylerShads

19:07

...SPYS ALL OVER THE PLACE

dyasny

@Holocryptic but of course you are right, I am a spy

Holocryptic

:)

dyasny

now you can start thinking whether a real spy would have said that ;)

Holocryptic

@dyasny Ohhhh, I know what happened. Stack Exchange changed their geo location thingamabob. You had put in IL, and then when they made the change it filled it out to Illinois

You can change it again in your profile

dyasny

@Holocryptic good point there

Holocryptic

19:11

I've been known to have one once in a blue moon

Right. I'm taking a break. Back later

studiohack

Curious, can I run a switch off another switch (in a home networking situation), say a 5 port off an 8 port?

Scott Pack

I think I need a more interesting Santification. I'll have to peruse my image library.

@studiohack Sure thing, at that level it should be fine.

studiohack

@ScottPack would speeds be affected?

Scott Pack

What you don't want to do is run a switch off a switch off a switch off a switch off a switch off a switch off a switch off a switch off a switch. There be dragons.

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Holocryptic

Yes, but nothing that should be too noticeable

studiohack

19:18

lol, makes sense

Scott Pack

@studiohack Well sure. Every machine on the second switch would be limited to a total speed of the port the second switch is plugged into.

studiohack

thanks @ScottPack, @Holocryptic... considering that, since one room in the house has like 6 machines

and WIFI is sorta slow in here

@ScottPack duh, why didn't I think of that...

Scott Pack

If you're just doing normal computing, it's probably totally fine.

studiohack

thanks again!

I am for the most part

Scott Pack

If you do anything like media streaming or the like, then you need to think about it pretty hard.

studiohack

19:20

@ScottPack I do a lot of video watching, and my brother likes to do Youtube uploading

Scott Pack

Just to make sure you don't end up with 5 computers all on switch 2 trying to stream bluray rips from a system on switch1.

studiohack

so I might just try and get by with one switch

@ScottPack packet collision?

Shane Madden

Scott Pack

@studiohack Not collisions, but link saturation.

studiohack

debating getting a $10 switch (8 ports) to upgrade my 5 port

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166035

Scott Pack

19:21

Also, some very useful perspective is to remember what your ISP speeds are.

studiohack

@ScottPack mine are usually under 4 mbps

Scott Pack

Yeah, and that's a 100 Mbps per port switch.

studiohack

@ScottPack so I'm well under- just ran a speed test, and it peaks around 4.04 mbps

Scott Pack

So even if you are streaming Netflix, and your brother is uploading to YouTube, well, your bottleneck there isn't anything in your home.

studiohack

that's sad...

Shane Madden

19:23

On the wifi, if you've got neighbors clogging up the spectrum, try to get away from their channels. Or look at getting 5ghz (802.11an) clients and AP - there's a lot less crap clogging that spectrum.

studiohack

@ShaneMadden no neighbors real close, I live in the middle of nowwhere, but the wifi is tricky, since its on another level, and I don't like all the wifi waves (health reasons), so I try to keep that to a minimum. plus, I run a server and copy/paste speeds are faster over the LAN than wifi

Scott Pack

@studiohack Unless you're streaming videos or moving big files around, I wouldn't get too excited about the speed difference between wireless and wired.

studiohack

@ScottPack backups. of photos/videos/music mostly, like 20-40 GB at a time sometimes

Scott Pack

@studiohack Oh, right. Those are the sizes where it matters, yeah.

In that case I would recommend looking at a Gbps switch instead.

studiohack

@ScottPack would that help even over the LAN, even though my ISP speeds are low?

Scott Pack

19:27

@studiohack It's all internal, so sure.

studiohack

too much money... newegg.com/Product/…

Shane Madden

@studiohack Yeah, definitely. As long as something doesn't need to actually go out to the internet, it'll stay all in the switch.

Scott Pack

So if you're backing up from your desktop to a server, both of them in your house, then you betcha. That's a big difference.

If you're backing up to something on the Interwebs, then gig, 10/100, wireless...it's all the same.

studiohack

@ScottPack wow... nice

Scott Pack

This is the search you want

newegg.com/Product/…

studiohack

19:29

thanks @ScottPack

Scott Pack

np

studiohack

sounds like its worth it to spend an extra 10-20 dollars for Giga

Scott Pack

I would say so. Pretty much any modern computer will have a Gbps nic. Plus it really helps when you start moving those big files around.

Like, for example, 1 minute as opposed to 30 for a dvd iso.

studiohack

@ScottPack well, I don't do it that much, since my machines (mostly running XP) have a hard time on a home network - one day their shared folders are there, and the next day, their not

Scott Pack

Ah, that's a different question for a different person. Much like most cleaning ladies, I don't do Windows.

studiohack

19:33

Linux then? :)

Scott Pack

And or Mac, yeah.

studiohack

is an unmanaged switch going to land me in trouble? as in will I have collisions of data?

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704042

Shane Madden

Nah, all unmanaged means is there's no settings to mess with, it's just a dumb switch

so you can't manually set port speeds, there's no vlans, etc etc

studiohack

@ShaneMadden sounds good enough for a home user

Shane Madden

But that doesn't mean there'll be collisions - performance-wise it's just as capable as any other switch.

studiohack

19:34

but what I don't understand, is that other switches/routers can be bottlenecks if they are not also Gigas, right?

pauska

no need for managed switches at home, unless you're doing vlans.. which 99.9999999% arent

studiohack

or if I have plain CAT cables (ethernet)

Scott Pack

@pauska I've known of exactly one person who used VLANs at their house, and had a legitimate reason. Guest wireless.

Everyone else that I've seen do it was mostly for the nerdgasm.

Shane Madden

@studiohack They'll bottleneck, but only for traffic going through them. Your fast traffic should avoid the slow links

studiohack

@ScottPack perfect for motels, bed and breakfasts, and such, right?

@ShaneMadden confused?

this conversation has been very enlightening, I've been thinking about going into IT for quite sometime (finishing high school)

pauska

19:36

@studiohack lets say you have 4 PC's (PC1, PC2, PC3 and PC4) and two gigabit switches (SwitchA and SwitchB). PC1 and PC2 is connected to SwitchA, and PC3/PC4 is connected to SwitchB. Between SwitchA and SwitchB there is a single network cable. What happens if PC1 wants to transfer something to PC3 at full speed, while PC2 wants to transfer something at full speed to PC4?

Scott Pack

@studiohack And in his case they had a lot of people in the area that would come by often, and he would often work from home. So he basically protected his personal and work stuff from random guests.

TylerShads

@sam santahat...NAO

Scott Pack

@Sam You are looking entirely too unfestive.

Shane Madden

@ScottPack Yeah I've got a guest wifi AP. I've also got my internal wired/wireless seperated, so the wired can do jumbo frames. And a DMZ, but that's less necessary ;)

Sam

@TylerShads @ScottPack True, give me 5 mins

pauska

19:37

@studiohack: but dude - how many times does that happen at home? that EVERY PC needs to transfer something at 1gbit/s? It almost never happens in corporate enviroments

Scott Pack

@Sam Tick tock

studiohack

@pauska so you could argue that giga isn't worth it for the home

Scott Pack

@ShaneMadden I considered setting up my wireless on a completely separate routed network. In the end, I thought it sounded like too much work so I went and made a drink. :)

pauska

@studiohack Well... HD video streaming can be a bit "jumpy" if someone else is downloading/transferring files at the same time

small unmanaged 1gig switches are very, very cheap..

studiohack

@pauska at my place, if one person is uploading to youtube, then the entire house/network slows to a crawl

@pauska $20

Scott Pack

19:40

@pauska I actually picked up an 8port Gbps d-link for 45 bucks about 2 years ago. The damn thing has a 16-Gbps backplane!

pauska

@studiohack thats not the LAN, it's the WAN (the internet connection)

@ScottPack yeah, switches that aren't line speed is getting more and more rare

studiohack

ohhh, gotcha. the LAN would still be fast, but not the WAN. that makes sense

Shane Madden

@ScottPack Hah, fair enough! I actually just got a new mikrotik router for the home net - guest is gonna get its own routed interface once I finish getting it configged, lol

Scott Pack

@ShaneMadden In my case I would has just popped in another nic. Using a pc platform has those advantages, though. If I had more guests, I would probably do something fancy with multiple SSIDs and the like.

Since 90% of my guests are the in-laws every couple of months for a weekend...yeah.

studiohack

I'm not sure giga is worth it, since the rest of my network is also not gigabit... and I'm not always in a hurry, and don't to that much large copy/transfers

Sam

19:45

@ScottPack done (whenever it decides to update)

Shane Madden

@ScottPack I'm currently running on an Astaro VM - it's been a little finicky though, and I hate having the whole network down if the ESXi needs to be touched.

pauska

@ShaneMadden Don't touch ESXi. Problem solved!

studiohack

never mind - stupid me, it was migrated from SF

Shane Madden

@pauska Power outages don't play nice. And I need to bridge the wired and wireless if the router's down to even get to the ESXi to fix things.

pauska

um I don't follow.. how is astaro/esxi dependent on you briding?

or - how is the bridging dependent on Astaro?

Shane Madden

19:50

@pauska Yeah - wired and wireless are separate, need the router to go between them. ESXi is on the wired, everything with a monitor is wireless.

And the whole network's in the basement, so I can't just string a cord on over to my desktop

pauska

@studiohack Well, it's kind of middle between SF and SU.. it is a server product

studiohack

@pauska leaving as is for now... thanks!

pauska

but then again, he broke it by dual booting

(or she..)

studiohack

thanks for the help and advice @pauska, @ShaneMadden, @ScottPack

gonna stick with 10/100 mbps for now :)

pauska

I'm toying with ideas for my house (when I build it some day)

it's getting more and more common in Norway to build a technical room where you put everything that has to do with power, water heating, air circulation etc.. it would be cool to fit a 19" rack there and install the HTPC/server/whatever there

(and have dual cat6 in every room plus roof-mounted cat6 for access points w/PoE)

I wonder if there are any products that could extend hdmi over cat6 without loosing quality, now that 10gig is getting more and more common

or that would probably break hdcp..

Shane Madden

19:58

@pauska I think there's some means of pushing HDMI over network cables, if I remember right..

But yeah if it's not 1 to 1 then HDCP will give you the middle finger.

pauska

hrm..

accellcables.com/products/switchSplitter/HDMICat5eHDBaseT/…

thats pretty cool since it can also do two-way IR

just that.. who makes IR enabled keyboards with trackpad? hmm?

Shane Madden

Thankfully I only have one room that I give a damn about getting video in, because that crap's a headache. And Sonos is just amazing for the whole-house audio setup.

syneticon-dj

20:14

'evening

Shane Madden

@syneticondj hey, how's it goin?

syneticon-dj

quite christmassy, thank you. stuck figuring out how to effectively use GIMP to put santa's hat on my bunny's head

Shane Madden

Indeed, that's a requirement. Check out pixlr.com if you end up wanting to smash GIMP into tiny pieces, as is customary.

pauska

syneticon-dj

is that a Google service?

@pauska uuuh.....

TylerShads

20:24

@pauska ...........?

Rob Moir

can... not... unsee

rum! stat!

pauska

sorry, perhaps you're one of those beliebers or whatever its called

syneticon-dj

@pauska HDMI is already running over Cat5

hdmi.org/installers/longcablelengths.aspx

Rob Moir

@pauska is this your contribution to the campaign for being able to hide pictures in chat?

@Pauska I have a server "cupboard" at home as it happens, with cat5 drops to each room where I might need computer services. It was a very good idea, I think. My brother (not an IT guy at ALL) helped me with the cable runs while we were re-doing my heating pipes, and went from "why are you even doing this" to "when we fix up my house can you wire that up too?"

Jacob

@RobMoir I have a Server room :P. and Cat5e to every room. (Hello also)

Rob Moir

20:30

hello

I don't need a server room at home! I do think that wiring up the home is a great idea

syneticon-dj

hi Rob

Rob Moir

I just have a cupboard that has the router, a switch, a NAS box and my printer in it.

Jacob

@RobMoir When my uncle built his house we bought wall plates with cat5,coax and phone for every room.

Shane Madden

People still have landline phones?

Rob Moir

Sounds like you were planning ahead there

Jacob

20:32

Really nice compared to running separately.

Ward

@Jacob No hat no chat!!!!

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Jacob

@ShaneMadden We do.

Rob Moir

I have landline here

Jacob

@Ward Where is this hat?

Rob Moir

its cheap as part of the interweb + TV + phone package I get

source on meta for the hats, Jacob

Shane Madden

20:33

9

Q: It's Santa Time!

Let's do this. What with the DramaLlama being out in full force, I think it's time to take a breather and bring the funny back. To wit: I propose the Santification of your gravatars till after the new year. Some of us have already gotten started. You can use the image as your baseline. or ...

discussion fun

TylerShads

oh good, the picture has scrolled up

I'd like to take this time to say how much I hate @pauska, thank you /bow

syneticon-dj

Will the gravatar pic change really take a day?

TylerShads

no

Shane Madden

Yeah it's pretty much immediate - give it a minute or 5

Jacob

anyone around use nod32 for business?

Ward

20:49

No one's allowed to answer until you put on a hat.

Jacob

@Ward My photoshop trial expired :(

Ward

That's the new rule laid down by Holocryptic

If I can do it in MS Paint, anyone can do it.

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TylerShads

@Jacob open-source failure

Jacob

@Ward on a Mac

Ward

I thought Macs were for artists? Isn't there an "add a santa hat" app already?

Jacob

20:54

@Ward Standby, uploading to gravatar now

syneticon-dj

@ward I would not rather think of an app but a Finder button

Jacob

Uploaded, back to my Q does anyone use Nod32 for Business AV?

syneticon-dj

AV is for girls

I just put jerseys my Grandma uses to knit and present me with around my servers. Never had any viruses.

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