The Comms Room

Chris S

03:50

Mostly for US Citizens: balanceorquit.com

Shane Madden

@ChrisS Don't worry, I'm sure they're working on some new tax loopholes for fortune 500s and unfunded wars.

wildchild

06:55

hi ward

Iain

G'day

Ward

07:14

@Iain Got in a short tandem ride today, picking my kid up from school. It was dark, but still nice to get out.

Iain

if it ever gets less windy I'll be able to get out but I bet it ends up being wet then :(

Ward

Yeah, it's been mostly pouring for days and days, until today the few clear hours have always been at times I couldn't get out.

I still love the tandem, though, even with a 7 year old stoker, it cruises better than a single bike.

Iain

what about going up hill ?

Ward

07:30

I get a good workout in that situation.

No more voting for me tonight, time for bed.

Iain

later

Bart De Vos

08:24

Morning all

tombull89

08:41

'Morning.

Unimportant, but interesting, looks like MemeGenerator has gone down...

Bart De Vos

Working here ;) (Belgium)

Crisis averted

tombull89

Oh boo. They were going a bit ropey last night so I wonder if it's a UK thing...

Bart De Vos

tombull89

11 hours ago, by tombull89

huh...

Iain

seems ok for me too

tombull89

08:46

Ah well. I'll cope.

wildchild

09:02

hello all, i hate to come here for technical queries - but can any one help me understand in brief what a 3 node Vmware cluster is ? They have Iscsi connection.

VM-Ware cluster has two network cards
dual port 10GE vmnic0,vmnic1 negotiated to 1GE
dual port 1GE vmnic2,vmnic3 negotiated to at total of 4 Network ports on each node.

what does it again mean by 4 network ports on each node

?

when they say their cluster two NIC then .

tombull89

I hate to say it, but you are much better asking questions on the main site. That's what it is there for and it's going to get a lot more exposure than the current 3/4 people in chat.

Rob Moir

This is NOT a place for 'Live Support', ask questions on the main site.

wildchild

i understand ..my account is disabled

"we are not accepting any questions from this account"

tombull89

really? wow.

wildchild

I logged in after 180 days or so

tombull89

09:09

Best to have a read of this and see what you can do. Although 44 questions, 4 with -'ve votes and 2 closed, and no answers means it's going to be a bit tricky.

Good luck.

wildchild

can i not have this activated 4 -ve votes isn't that bad.

I have +ve votes as well

tombull89

It's an automatic system. You could ask a question on meta.stackoverflow but I highly doubt anything will come of it.

wildchild

okie i used to be very active here . I will open a new account then. But, can you please help me a little to understand if that's okie ?I am not good in VMware -mostly into unified storage

tombull89

@wildchild Unfortunately, I can't help you either, I know very little about VMWare too.

Can you create a new account? I'd be interested to see if you can.

Rob Moir

2

wildchild

09:15

at least you can try, my question is -when a customer says he has The Harrisonburg VM-Ware cluster has two network cards
dual port 10GE vmnic0,vmnic1 negotiated to 1GE
dual port 1GE vmnic2,vmnic3 negotiated to 1GE

why he is again saying -total of 4 Network ports on each node.

Iain

@wildchild what is it that you don't understand about that?

wildchild

Its a 3 node VMware cluster -how many NICs do they actually have - I am going

I am going to have this iscsi configured to VNX

tombull89

dual ports 1 (10GE) has Port 1 and Port 2 and dual port 2 (1G) has Port 3 and 4? 4 Network Points?

Rob Moir

thats a relief, thought I had forgot my vsphere operations manager password for a moment

Iain

@wildchild I was here the last time you were. I've answered your questions in the past. It scares me that anyone would let you near their systems.

tombull89

09:19

VMWare isn't easy to pick up, you need to spend money on it. Be it proper training or someone to come in and do it for you it needs to be done.

Oh. Just reading the questions I realised why the quality filter had been triggered, I remember I've heard of your name before, and I am also surprised why you would be let near production systems, as harsh as it may sound.

wildchild

@tombull89- yes but what is confusing is when he says" total of 4 Network ports on each node". If its a 3 node cluster ,that means he has total 12 network ports?

And please don't hate me that much - i haven't been doing bad in the storage world

tombull89

@wildchild And my answer is I Don't Know.

Coudln't you just...y'know...*ask him?*

Rob Moir

there are ten network cards configured on just one of my VMWare ESX servers.

no one can tell you what the details of their config is without taking a look. It's a specialist job to configure and manage a complex VMWare ESX cluster

wildchild

@RobMoir in your case can't we have say 2 for iscsi ?

just an example

Rob Moir

you can have whatever you like for iscsi. I'd certainly use at least two, yes.

tombull89

09:26

@wildchild, can I ask, how old are you?

Tom O'Connor

-2

Q: Outgrew MongoDB … now what?

We dump debug and transaction logs into mongodb. We really like mongodb because: Blazing insert perf document oriented Ability to let the engine drop inserts when needed for performance But there is this big problem with mongodb: The index must fit in physical RAM. In practice, this limits u...

mongodb

wildchild

i m 22

Tom O'Connor

A Proper Fucktard.

Rob Moir

I didn't know edugeek got compromised.

wildchild

@RobMoir-- hbgmfg-esx10 10.225.192.11 VLANID:0 ports 5/4, 5/5, 5/6, 5/7
hbgmfg-esx20 10.225.192.11 VLANID:0 ports 5/8, 5/9, 5/10 5/11
hbgmfg-esx30 10.225.192.11 VLANID:0 ports 5/15, 5/16, 5/27,5/28

tombull89

09:28

@wildchild Same as me. Ok, while I'd love to be in control of a VMWare cluster I know I haven't got the experience and technicial knowledge to deal with it properly. Get someone in who does.

@RobMoir Yeah, they didn't really release much info about it.

Rob Moir

@wildchild: This is NOT a place for 'Live Support'

@tombull89 yeah they certainly kept that under the radar. I'm surprised they didn't email members telling them

good morning to you too @TomOConnor

Tom O'Connor

@RobMoir When?

@RobMoir :3

wildchild

okie i did get some help ..

thank you all!

Rob Moir

10th nov apparently, just found out today as I've not tried to log onto the site for a few months... uh where did that come from, few weeks

tombull89

Yeah, forced password resets for all.

Rob Moir

09:54

poor hipster ariel

tombull89

Bah. There needs to be a button in PCounter (or, indeed, on any computer) that is the "do what I want, not what I said" button.

Bart De Vos

"You cannot call a method on a null-valued expression."

Powershell, you are a PITA

SmallClanger

10:17

Quick game of 'The Price is Right': What has BT just quoted me for a generic 24-port patch panel?

Bart De Vos

hmmm

100 USD?

Iain

£200

SmallClanger

@BartDeVos: Higher!

@Iain: Lower!

Iain

£100

Bart De Vos

More then 100 USD? Made of pure awesomeness I guess then... 150 USD

SmallClanger

10:19

(Pulls away cardboard slide): £140

Iain

::falls over::

Bart De Vos

So, does it come with free girls, champagne and a limo?

SmallClanger

Also, I've just discovered that £70 of my PBX order has gone towards that. (my dealer got me a discount, apparently)

tombull89

@SmallClanger whaaaat? How "generic" is that? Something like "Netgear" or "StarNetworkz4U.com"

SmallClanger

"Millenium Brand-Rex Giga-Plus" (me neither)

Not a switch. A patch panel.

tombull89

10:25

Oh. Whoops.

SmallClanger

tombull89

That's still quite a lot though.

SmallClanger

That's £7.50 per port.

Bart De Vos

Indeed

SmallClanger

No, £5.83 in fact.

72p per conductor. They must be made of gold and lesbians.

Iain

10:30

spammer serverfault.com/users/102427/james ?

tombull89

@Iain kill-it-with-fire

Iain

@tombull89 I wish I could - I'll settle for flagging though

Bart De Vos

I don't think @Chopper3 will be around today

He is at that HP-thingy

@Iain Gone :-)

tombull89

10:46

@BartDeVos Shame, considering who we had in earlier.

Iain

@tombull89 that may have been an interesting encounter considering their last get together

tombull89

@Iain I may have missed that...was it one of his last questions?

Iain

Mar 17 at 19:16, by Chopper3

@wildchild right, supervisors don't have "ports 37 and 38", seriously you're so far out of your depth it's not funny, change jobs immediately, anything will do but this is A, B, C stuff, super basic, insultingly so - you're not learning from us/me, you're clearly not choosing to learn this yourself, it's gone too far, put down your keyboard and leave your job right now

tombull89

11:06

@Iain Ouch. Harsh but true.

That was the day after his last question so I presume he hit the quality filter then came into chat to whine/ask moar questions.

ITHedgeHog

11:26

Hey folks

tombull89

@ITHedgeHog 'Mornin.

ITHedgeHog

11:41

Today I love my job, I've got three identical VM's running Server 2K8R2 set up from the same script as web servers.

Two work, the third is just borked for no good reason.

SmallClanger

@ITHedgeHog Must be that fabled Law of Averages I've heard about.

ITHedgeHog

@SmallClanger nah, its the fabled law of giving a tech demo to clients.

Rob Moir

12:31

-3

Q: Outgrew MongoDB … now what?

We dump debug and transaction logs into mongodb. We really like mongodb because: Blazing insert perf document oriented Ability to let the engine drop inserts when needed for performance But there is this big problem with mongodb: The index must fit in physical RAM. In practice, this limits u...

mongodb

got to love that question - if only because its a database that tomtom can't run on his phone!

tombull89

0

Q: need help designing Active Directory for a client

Need help designing Active Directory for a client who has 4 branch offices and one head office The 4 sites have people email IDs in Same primary domain as well as 2-3 more domains, which are sister concern companies for the Primary company should I use SBS or use 2008 R2?? I'm too closing down...

active-directory design

I don't think he needs to design AD, that's done already. I think he needs something else.

Rob Moir

either I'm missing something or they think their problem is much more complicated than it actually is

Rob Moir

12:54

2

Iain

:(

tombull89

@RobMoir Well, that would explain why the School's content filter kicked in for that page...

And a 1TB personal database?

Shads0

13:28

g'day chaps

Rob Moir

that's a lot of data

Tom O'Connor

What a story: reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/mrwi3/…

MarkM

wow

@RobMoir Link so that I can upvote all of that

Rob Moir

13:44

@markm - scroll up, its the outgrew mongo db question

worth the price of admission to see @Tomoconnor go postal

MarkM

ahhh

Tom O'Connor

@RobMoir It's fair, though. I'm sick of freetards.

Rob Moir

hear hear. I've always had the theory that the costs end up about the same no matter what you do and all you're choosing is what headings they appear under in the budget

tombull89

"I want the moon on a stick, to ride a golden unicorn, and for a flock of faries to fill all my wishes - all for free"

2

tl;dr: IT is expensive. Deal with it.

MarkM

that is amazing

Rob Moir

13:49

I think I lose IQ points every time I re-read that question and that guy's comments

Iain

@TomOConnor calm down calm down you'll be exploding

Rob Moir

A motto we can all live by, to be honest: Fork out, or Fuck off

tombull89

@RobMoir cough eBuyer cough

Rob Moir

heh

they can do the latter

tombull89

@RobMoir There was a rather amusing bleating apology from their managing director last night posted to the site (can't currently find it though).

Rob Moir

14:07

oh yes, I think I read that. Pretty clueless... I think they lost a fair bit of money from their normal monday customers

SmallClanger

Modern technology: Keeping stupid people alive since 1986 - technologyreview.com/blog/editors/27363

Iain

@SmallClanger if my MK1 eyeball couldn't detect an oncoming vehicle @50m it may be of some use

but a white stick and a dog would be preferable

Kyle Brandt

14:35

Anyone know how to use facter to query remote hosts?

Scott Pack

@KyleBrandt Wouldn't you have to use something like func or mcollective to kick it off locally on the remote host?

Kyle Brandt

@ScottPack: Oh ya that sounds right

Also wondering if I can do if blah & blah conditionals

Scott Pack

@KyleBrandt I fair positive you can, though I've never built any custom facts.

Kyle Brandt

Ah, looks like and

Scott Pack

Sounds almost too easy.

Chris S

15:09

I should tell people I'm going on vacation every week; they'd get their stuff to me on time then.

Iain

@ChrisS where are you going ?

Chris S

Houston, Texas; For my cousin's wedding.

Iain

Should be warm

Chris S

High of 68ºF while I'm there... Better than the 6" of snow I'm getting today, but not the 77ºF they had last week.

voretaq7

15:46

@ChrisS Please, don't say the S word

Iain

@ChrisS Not as warm as I imagined

Chris S

It's about what I was expecting, but colder than I was hoping for. =/

I really don't like the whole default configuration for Apache with the separated VirtualHosts enabled/available sites thing. 99% of people who are new to Apache just want a simple and clean conf to start playing with.

People who are hosting complicated sites have undoubtedly written most of the conf files by hand anyway.

Iain

@ChrisS isn't that the Debian etc way whereas CentOS etc use a single config file ?

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 My forecast for tonight calls for some snow.

@Iain As near as I can tell, the CentOS/RedHat way is still to use a separate config file per vhost, but not to deal with the enabled/disabled sites nonsense.

Chris S

@Iain I see it all the time now, I think several distros have switched.

In any case it's confusing as all hell IMHO. There's a lot of questions posted re: "WTF VirtualHosts is b0rk3d!"

Scott Pack

15:57

@Iain I just use puppet to push down vhost files anyway, so I'm not sure if they have a "Recommended (tm)" approach.

Iain

@ScottPack I don't know either but out of the box they don't do it that way though I do tend to use an include file so the vhosts are separate from the main server stuff

ewwhite

Getting salty... serverfault.com/questions/335716/…

Chris S

When the server is only hosting a site or two I just lump the vhost stuff into the end of the conf file. If it's more than that I start breaking things into include directories.

SmallClanger

@Iain @ChrisS - I've kind of gotten used to the Debian route and RHEL/CentOS does something similar now.

But it does lead to crappy little workarounds, like the default vhost symlink having a 000 prefix to ensure it's loaded first.

Chris S

@SmallClanger That's my gripe though; you got used to it, not it's intuitive and even a beginner would understand.

tombull89

16:04

SmallClanger

and an empty httpd.conf to fool a hard-coded check in the binary.

tombull89

Houston, We Got A Problem...

Chris S

I'm sure it works great for large/complicated installs, but that's not the majority of what I've seen..

SmallClanger

@ChrisS Yeah, I agree. I like the separation of vhosts, but they've overdone it.

You should see the abortion they made out of exim...

Chris S

A few years ago I started in on Exim and that "f- this" after trying to understand the basic documentation for a week straight. That was shortly after wrapping my head around sendmail. I run Courier now and I'll give it up when you pry it out of my cold dead hands (though it has it's own quirks).

One of these days when I get time (which is probably never) I'd really like to dive into Courier's source and fix some of the things that drive me up the wall.

SmallClanger

16:12

Exim was written by some cambridge maths professor. His book is brilliant. Very helpful, but the syntax does require some sort higher plane of consciousness.

Sysadmin1138 Expounds

SysAdmin1138 Expounds: Noise

posted on November 29, 2011 by SysAdmin1138

I've been spending a lot of time at our datacenter recently. Unlike at WWU, we colo at one of the large providers so I'm getting to interact with a datacenter vastly larger than the ones I've played with in the past. This is cool in many ways (this is a multi megawatt facility!) but there are some downsides.Sound.I've known for years that datacenters can get very loud. When WWU picked up our fi…

jscott

@Sysadmin1138Expounds My gosh, how long has OSHA been Xerox'ing that .gif?!

voretaq7

@jscott since about 1892. (that's not a typo)

Peter Grace

16:49

I gotta tell you guys, the Wi-Spy DBx is pretty cool.

I managed to talk them into letting me get one here

MarkM

@PeterGrace To look at the RF of three linksys WAP54Gs?

:)

Peter Grace

@MarkM to help me site survey what the best frequencies are to put our new AP's? :)

MarkM

Nice. Cisco sent a guy to do it for us, thankfully.

When you dangle an order of 450 APs in front of them, they'll send whoever you want over.

Peter Grace

haha, I bet.

MarkM

Have you decided what APs to put in there?

voretaq7

16:54

@MarkM Is Cisco turning into IBM?

MarkM

@voretaq7 They haven't already?

voretaq7

"Z Series Mainframe. Free Field Engineer Inside!"

@MarkM Their products ARE kinda blue-ish...

MarkM

I don't even put in tickets with TAC any more. I just email one of my engineer contacts there and say something like "TAC is always shitty, can you escalate this and just have someone with a clue call me?"

voretaq7

"Have you cast your 'oh my god this is crap delete it forevers!' votes today?"
http://serverfault.com/search?page=99&tab=newest&q=answers%3a0%20closed%3a1%20migrated%3a0

IBM Field Service is fun @MarkM!

Chris S

Need a Mod to hammer this one: serverfault.com/questions/127342/microsoft-office-2007

voretaq7

17:02

@ChrisS needs an anvil...

Peter Grace

@MarkM not yet, I'm thinking cisco aironet 1250's

@MarkM those 3200's are cool and all, but that's way overkill for us where I think two AP's will actually be too much.

ooh, lunch, bbiab.

Chris S

We've got Cisco 1240s, I've got no complains (about the units themselves, do have complains about the idiots who installed them and their positioning)

voretaq7

@PeterGrace Lunch? at NOON?

Chris S

Yep. Lunch time!

voretaq7

What's wrong with putting the APs behind a lead wall in an X-ray suite?

MarkM

17:06

@peter we have 1141s that we're really happy with. Not sure if they're lightweight only though. Honestly, you should look at Aruba if you haven't. They have some sweet tech. I considered them but we already had 300 cisco aps deployed.

jscott

@PeterGrace I'd have to agree with @MarkM, the controller-based Cisco gear is nice, mostly-easy to work with, but it does cost. We used to be a Meru shop, but the higher-ups wanted 5Ghz and Meru wasn't there at the time.

voretaq7

the 5GHz band is the best thing to ever happen to WiFi

jscott

5Ghz signal loses some range over 2.4Ghz but the not having to worry about channel over-lap is great.

Chris S

17:47

Not having to worry about the idiots down stairs blasting 2.4GHz radiation ever few hours would be so nice... I should look into getting A or N running.

MarkM

@ChrisS Yeah, almost all of our buildings are dual-band now. It was super easy with the Cisco kit we have.

Peter Grace

@MarkM I'm kinda a cisco fanboy.

Chris S

@PeterGrace Best to keep that under wraps, the smart people might make fun of you. =]

Aaron

0

A: How to reduce ping between server over the world?

Aside from increasing the speed of light? Google isn't a good measure of network speed. The response times that you're seeing indicate clearly that you're hitting Google servers in the some country (or at least on the same continent) from both locations. Routing to the other side of the world ...

His comment there is great

when I phone using VoIP from HK to france, there is no latency!

MarkM

@PeterGrace Don't get me wrong, I'm really happy with the Cisco gear we have. Aruba just looked like they were on the cutting edge with some of their offerings and their prices are super aggressive.

Chris S

18:00

Nobody regrets getting Cisco gear (so long as they got a solution that fit the problem). It's just the TCO is notable higher than everyone else. But if you need a 'money->solution' machine, Cisco's there for you.

2

voretaq7

@Aaron I want his network.

Peter Grace

He apparently uses the Ansible Phone.

voretaq7

Ye cannae change the laws o' physics Captain!

Aaron

Maybe needs one of the interfaces that we have that once in a while show negative packets

it's going so fast, it's actually being sucked out of the pipe faster than it's being put in!

voretaq7

@Aaron Predictive networking. I know the data you're going to send. (It's porn. Obviously.)

I officially despise udev BTW

I can't get it to stop spamming shit to the console before the bootsplash screen comes up (like 3 seconds worth of ugly scary text that makes my users wet themselves)

Aaron

18:16

speaking of scary text, I did not have the presence of mind at the time, but when I was on a DL flight back from costa rica to the US at one point they rebooted some of the seat-back entertainment systems and they were running some flavor of linux

Chris S

I'm surprised they didn't pop up a splash screen.

Chris S

18:29

It really annoys me when a user has been around for a while and still posts a Question that obviously belongs on another SE site.

MarkM

-1

Q: windows server 2003 is unreachable after installing updates

I just install updates on my windows server 2003 small business. and after restart it is un-reachable. even I can ping my server from other machine. Any idea? it installed 73 updates. any clue which directions i have to look in.

windows-server-2003

Scott Pack

@MarkM Smells like a poor update rollout plan to me.

MarkM

"HALP I JUST INSTALLD 72 UPDATEZ N THINGSZ BORKE!"

voretaq7

@MarkM 73 updates.

72 were fine. It's the 73rd that screwed him.

Chris S

I'll bet one of them was SP2. =]

voretaq7

18:45

@ChrisS . . . probably. sigh

Chopper3

Evening fuckers

3

Iain

Hiya

voretaq7

@Chopper3 Hey ya limey bastard!

Iain

How's Vienna ?

Bart De Vos

Hi All

tombull89

18:53

Hey @Chopper3. Guess who Chat had a visit from this morning?

Chopper3

Spotted that

Lost again

Chris S

@Chopper3 Can you mod-hammer this out of existence please: serverfault.com/questions/127342/microsoft-office-2007

Chopper3

Could be anywhere Iain, the back seats of one s-class looks the same as any other :) they are properly looking after me here in PFOLand though

2

Done

Dinner, and bizarrely Anastasia, await, back later, pissed I'd assume :)

5

Chris S

Thank you!

@Iain @voretaq7 SF is up to 82% Answered now (was 80% a month ago).

Iain

@ChrisS yay !

tombull89

19:01

@Chopper3 Really? Woah...

voretaq7

Exxxxxcelent. And there's still 19 pages (@50/page) of crap left :)

Iain

I wonder why some of them have been locked though ?

voretaq7

@Iain hmmm

Bart De Vos

@voretaq7 Already replied on M.SF to say I'm in

then I noticed I haven't got 10k :)

Oops

Rob Moir

It's the thought that counts

voretaq7

19:14

@BartDeVos well... get crackin'!

Bart De Vos

I've had a bit to much work this week :)

I've done quite a few post reviews though

Iain

this one on page 20 still hanging around serverfault.com/questions/146538/…

voretaq7

@BartDeVos damn work interfering...

Bart De Vos

@voretaq7 Tell me about is.. Djeez.. How am I supposed to get anything done around here..

Iain

@BartDeVos you can't be far off reviewer ?

Bart De Vos

19:15

100 to go ;)

voretaq7

@Iain there were a couple when I swing through that had only 1 delete vote on them

Iain

we'll get there :)

Rob Moir

4

A: How to reduce ping between server over the world?

Aside from increasing the speed of light? Google isn't a good measure of network speed. The response times that you're seeing indicate clearly that you're hitting Google servers in the some country (or at least on the same continent) from both locations. Routing to the other side of the world ...

sweet gods of fail

read the comment the OP posted to that answer

I have not the words.

Iain

1 hour ago, by Aaron

His comment there is great

Bart De Vos

All abord! The failboat is about to set sail!

Rob Moir

19:17

agh.. missed that

I'm tempted to reply that the rules of physics are called "rules" for a reason

Iain

watch out - there are some neutrinos that are (apparently) playing with the laws of physics atm

Rob Moir

true that. i think some of them are managers at his voip provider

Bart De Vos

indeed...

E =mc^2... Please bitch...

Rob Moir

my niece just dared me that I could not post enough MLP images to her facebook account to embarrass her.

2

Iain

@BartDeVos except in the case of some neutrinos travelling between CERN and some place in Italy

Rob Moir

19:23

chances she will regret that remark... 100%

Iain

hahahah

Bart De Vos

:)

Rob Moir

just wait until her 16th birthday in january when she finds i've got one of the dolls from the show already wrapped up for her present

that'll look so cool in front of all her friends ;-)

voretaq7

@BartDeVos It only works in a vacuum though...

Bart De Vos

@voretaq7 Given there is more vacuum then non-vacuum... Not a problem in my book :)

Rob Moir

19:27

wibbly wobbley timey wimey

voretaq7

@BartDeVos space is not a perfect vacuum.

Rob Moir

►

voretaq7

I mean it's close enough for government work, but pi = 3 is close enough for my idiot government.

PIZZA IS A VEGETABLE.
SO ARE MOST OF THE CONGRESSCRITTERS.

Scott Pack

@RobMoir I rather enjoyed that scene.

Rob Moir

yes

Bart De Vos

19:28

@voretaq7 TIL

Rob Moir

yup, that was from blink wasn't it. Still one of the best episodes

Bart De Vos

Scott Pack

@RobMoir Yes to both. Properly scary episode, that.

Iain

another from page 20 if anyone has a spare delete vote serverfault.com/questions/227484/…

voretaq7

BRB. Purchasing used TARDIS.

3

tombull89

19:29

I liked this one:

►

Rob Moir

@tombull89 - dr whooves eh? another brony ;-)

tombull89

Yeah....too much time spent on YouTube over the weekend.

Alsong with asdfmovies1-4.

Bart De Vos

Anybody knows how the FAQ-tab works?

serverfault.com/questions?sort=faq

Rob Moir

ok, going over mate's house to drink beer and watch my team lose to man city

have a nice evening everypony...

4

Bart De Vos

@RobMoir Have fun :)

MarkM

19:36

5

A: Faq question tab is incorrectly named

Actually, it's not a list of questions sorted by views. If you scrolled down a couple inches on your screen, (and didn't have ignored tags hidden) you'll notice the 4th entry clocks in at 24k views, which is higher than both the 2nd and 3rd entries combined. The faq tab is built from links (and ...

Peter Grace

Bart De Vos

@MarkM Thanks

Peter Grace

What 2.4ghz looks like in our office with George, myself, and (I assume) the dev next door all using Plantronics wireless headsets.

Bart De Vos

@PeterGrace What am I looking at?

Peter Grace

THIS IS WHERE WIFI GOES TO DIE

Bart De Vos

19:38

;)

MarkM

@PeterGrace Oh my god, man. Get those signals smashers off of your head!

Kyle Brandt

@PeterGrace: Apparently blog.sf is broken... `cause I don't see no wifi post draft ;-)

Peter Grace

@MarkM lol.

@KyleBrandt pfft.

voretaq7

goddamnit memegenerator

Peter Grace

@KyleBrandt Trust me, I'm going to do a writeup. I've got 2+ pages of notes on what I need to cover in RF theory before the BS I'm going to write will make sense.

@voretaq7 cq DE W3POG!

MarkM

19:41

Kyle Brandt

@PeterGrace: Nice, sounds like this should be pretty epic :-)

Peter Grace

@voretaq7 yah, I got a vanity with my initials, go figure.

Kyle Brandt

So, anyone in the room coming to visit me next week?

(And maybe go to LISA since it happens to be here as well)

Peter Grace

@KyleBrandt well, a lot of people talk about wifi like you toss an AP somewhere and if it works, it works, but in reality there's easy-to-understand science that helps to make your AP install a success.

MarkM

@KyleBrandt Are you going to be in my apartment when I get home from work? If so, yes. Also, that would be really creepy.

(please say no)

voretaq7

19:42

2.4GHz Spectrum 101:
1. Anyone can use it.
2. When you get interference start yelling.
3. Eventually everyone is yelling and you can't hear anything anymore.
4. The weak eventually go hoarse (RF amplifier overheats). Only the strong survive.
5. RF Chipsets get stronger because of natural selection. Goto 3, or move out of the 2.4GHz Band to a nicer neighborhood (goto 1)

Peter Grace

Yeah, @Zypher, @KyleBrandt and myself will all be rockin' it at LISA next week.

voretaq7

@PeterGrace :P

Peter Grace

@voretaq7 except, as a ham, I'm allowed..... 500W PEP on 12cm ;)

Kyle Brandt

@PeterGrace: When are you guys coming up?

Peter Grace

I think it's 500W

boy, it's been a while.

voretaq7

19:43

I'm pretty sure it's 500W.
But then you need to get everyone licensed. :)

(and explain the hazards of contact RF burns)

MarkM

@voretaq7 1) Buy APs that will violently crush neighboring APs. Eventually your neighbors will give up and you'll only have microwaves to contend with.

Peter Grace

@voretaq7 and I also cannot use WEP/WPA, and I cannot use obscenities or look at porn.

@voretaq7 sadly.

voretaq7

@MarkM 0) Switch on the motherfucking tesla coil. I'll show you people noise! Noise and zotting!

Peter Grace

Really, it's the porn that stops me.

voretaq7

@PeterGrace You can look at porn as long as it isn't "obscene"

that's why you can read Whitman over the air -- It's explicit, and provocative, but it's also "art"

Peter Grace

19:46

@KyleBrandt sorry, 6th at 6:40 to south station.

hmm, south station

that's near mike's bakery right

cannoli here I come

voretaq7

MarkM

@voretaq7 a few departments randomly try and plug in Linksys routers to try and get wifi in their offices even though we provide secure and available wifi across campus. Our Cisco gear can send disassociate packets to the rogue clients that look like they come from the rogue. Instead of killing the rogues at the switchport, I let them live and kill the wireless connectivity and count how many times the rogue MAC changes. It's a running tally of how many WRT54Gs they've bought :)

Peter Grace

@voretaq7 are you a ham?

Kyle Brandt

@PeterGrace: Pretty much everything is near everything :-P Takes like an hour to cross the city on foot :-P

Peter Grace

I stayed at the harbor watch hotel last time I was in boston

was a pretty short walk to the bakery

voretaq7

19:48

@PeterGrace technically yes, practically no (haven't broadcast in so long I've forgotten my callsign :-x)

Chris S

@KyleBrandt meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/113369 I think it's a candidate for tumbleweed...

Peter Grace

@voretaq7 ahh, I get in and out of it. I'm thinking of doing PSK31 again

PSK31

PSK31 or "Phase Shift Keying, 31 Baud" is a digital radio modulation mode, used primarily in the amateur radio field to conduct real-time keyboard-to-keyboard informal text chat between amateur radio operators. History PSK31 was developed and named by English amateur radio operator Peter Martinez (G3PLX) and introduced to the wider amateur radio community in December 1998. PSK31 was enthusiastically received, and its usage grew like wildfire worldwide lending a new popularity and tone to the on-air conduct of digital communications. Due to the efficiency of the mode, it became, and ...

voretaq7

@PeterGrace I have proper ground station paperwork for my av-band handheld somewhere too.

Kyle Brandt

@ChrisS: Pinged a couple people via email

Chris S

I appreciate it; not trying to challenge anybody's decision as much as expression my frustration; I'm none too good with SQL so those took a good 20 minutes to craft only to find out that they'll never return any results.

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