?

@cole That's alot

I can only repeat what @Jacob already said

I fucked up and was stupid when I was younger, paying for it now.

Can't do anything more than that.

student loans suck

Sure do.

A lot of regret right there.

Understood

@Jacob I walked around Green Lake last night (on the inner loop, mostly) and it was 3.0 miles

But I'll make it work

because I fucking hate MA

@RyJones Yeah?

@Jacob yup. Pretty nicely built path, I kept a 3.3 pace for the walk. If I hadn't been lagging with an injured partner, I probably could have kept 3.5

@cole I must say that is a sudden change from ~4 months ago...

A lot of things have happened.

My girlfriend and my friend kinda had an intervention with me

@RyJones Cool, I need to get used to biking in the rain.

@Jacob yeah, you're out of the "biking not in the rain" season.

@RyJones In VA, I was just entering it :(

@Jacob bike rack for the Leaf? aside from that, the 358, but that is a shit bus I would not wish on anyone

@cole Don't forget, living far away comes with increased gas prices.

It's 50 cents or more per gallon here than back east

Yeah my car gets 40mpg highway

@cole You won't get that too often

Hills, and traffic

@RyJones I bought a volt actually :)

Yeah - well we'll figure it out.

@Jacob ok, well, bike rack

I just know we're not paying over $1500 for an apartment

@cole Get a 1br :)

@cole good plan

Neither of us have super fancy apartments now.

I have the slightest feeling that the money you save on apt, will be spent on gas.

Yeah 1br I would probably strangle someone. I need space

@Jacob Rent a room. There's a boarding house near me with rooms available.

@cole If that's the case there are some cheaper options in West Seattle that are older buildings

I don't think I'll be spending $500+ a month in gas

@RyJones I have an apt thank you :)

My apartment complex has openings, and it's right on the 245 bus line. 245->255 and you're in core downtown

Even when I commuted from CT to Waltham MA - 3 hours one way most days, I didn't spend that much

@cole so what are your prospects? have you looked into amazon?

@RyJones If he works here he'd need to get to SODO

I've applied at Amazon

I honestly don't think I'll be a fit for either positions at the company you're at to be honest.

But I'm definitely going to inquire

@cole You don't even know what it is...

@Jacob easier in a car. I used to commute from Kirkland to the very south edge of Pioneer Square (right next to the stadia) and it was still only 20 minutes

@RyJones how did you park!?!

I hate parking in this F***ing city

@Jacob garage under our building

@RyJones nice

I pay $300 or so a month to park here, now

@Jacob fenders!

Parking in Boston is way worse

@cole I can't speak to that, but I come from a place where parking isn't even a concern

@freiheit It's less about that, than I'm used to downpour rain

I'm used to shitty parking. Driving in Seattle was a fucking dream

@Jacob don't like the mist?

@cole ಠ_ಠ

@Jacob For drizzle and mist and wet pavement, you need fenders. For downpour you need fenders and a change of clothes (and maybe also lots of rain gear).

@freiheit we have showers here for biker thugs

I just need to get to the west coast

@freiheit I just don't like riding in the rain at all.

@cole I90 goes west, man. Just pack up and drive

I like doing outside things when it's sunny

that's exactly what I did, and it only cost me a ton of money, crippling debt, and my marriage

@Jacob HTFU

@freiheit I'm good

@Jacob More seriously, though: riding in the rain does kinda suck... Something that keeps you from getting cold (a nice merino wool jersey, or at least some basic poly-fleece arm and legwarmers) and something to keep the water from hitting your eyes goes a long way.

Also, if you pedal hard enough, the mist evaporates off of you and/or becomes indistinguishable from the sweat.

@freiheit very moto

I need to get harden the fuck up set to a good beat, or an edm remix

@RyJones We need to meetup again sometime.

@Jacob I'm going to Olympia Saturday to play with knives, eat beef, and talk smack. If knives are interesting to you, you're welcome to come along.

Otherwise, we can meet for a meal sometime next week

@RyJones What event, and what times?

I've been waiting for a good opportunity to visit Olympia.

It's a USN get together. We're going to Dan's new house to praise his purchasing decision, probably cook food outdoors, and the like.

@RyJones I know nothing of knives.

Probably not your thing, then. It's 11 until question marks, but I have to be back in town to give my cat insulin at 1900.

Oh, looks like it got bumped to 12:30 due to a soccer game. I might skip it.

@RyJones OK, let me know

@RyJones Snort some E and break out the glooooowww stiixxxxxx!

@Wesley nah

I want to see @RyJones smacked up on Ex and waving glow sticks around.

nah.

@freiheit bike mechanic stuff tonight

Writing some code to do some steganography on MP3 files... just realized my computer has literally NO mp3 files on it.

@HopelessN00b You can probably script something with diskpart, though you'd have to do some output-parsing.

If you're in a situation where you don't already know the partition structure... yea, pretty screwy.

G'day

g'day

People can't read instructions...

Herrow

@ewwhite People can read, they just choose not to as it's easier to ask the internet and get someone else to do it for you.

@Iain Well, with this question, I actually have good info as the firm I was with was trying to push Red Hat and Broadcom to modify the driver.

resulted in an upstream patch that fixed the upper limits of the bnx driver's receive buffer

@ewwhite I hadn't read the question (but I have now), I'm trying to keep away from main

aww

I understand

Actually, I don't... are you boycotting main @Iain?

@ewwhite I'm giving up trying to find interesting questions to answer

I've found okay questions, but am really disappointed in the accept rate.

and lack of followup

like, it's almost at boycott levels...

@ewwhite what do you mean by followup ?

@Iain Like "oh, this worked... thank you" or "no, this didn't work... FOAD!!"

I even wrote one post where the persons was missing a setting on their device... "go to menu X and do Y"

downvoted... AND the OP never returned

so why bother?

@ewwhite Isn't it a basic tenet of SE that thanks aren't required? I see some 'that didn't work', usually without saying how

Or a damn question accept.

A former colleague mentioned SO and SF at lunch this week...

he was like, "I find questions when I google, and sometimes I can't tell which answer is the real fix because it's never highlighted."

(he was referring to SO, where there may be 10 answers and none of them is the obvious winner)

The accept is only the OP saying that worked for me. Community voting should be providing direction as to the best answer - unfortunately the paucity of community voting means that rarely happens.

there are a lot of single-answer questions

and you're saying that the lack of voting reflects a diminished interest...

or that it's so poor, that it's not even possible to guide people to "right" answers

@ewwhite Here, I guess that's because there is often one best way to do it and that's he answer. With programming there are often many ways to do something and that is reflected in the number of answers

@ewwhite You rarely see answers here with much more than a couple of upvotes unless they're highlighted in some way.

but you may be right that the weaker questions either don't draw answers or that they're weak or just don't generate interest. No benefit to voting, right?

I think this is down to low community involvement. I think the active, engaged community on SF is very small and getting smaller all the time. Most people drop in to have someone else read the manuals for them and then carry on. They don't care about quality or community ...

Did StackExchange ever have a response to this?

@ewwhite Has anything changed ?

"Register for warranty and download FREE software including Norton Internet Security" - From the packaging of a flash drive I just bought

@Iain no :(

@ewwhite @ShaneMadden said this last night

> People are downvoting and closing on the basis of "I think you should know that to have that job".

I think that'a probably true.

But I also think that's what you get when you create a site that's meant to be different and it turns out to be just the same as everywhere else.

@Iain so it's a lost cause

@ewwhite It will be really difficult and painful to fix

but it's not worth fixing, I bet

just maybe that the site has run its course

@ewwhite As a place that's meant to be different yeah I think that's the case. I don't see it disappearing any time soon though - too many clicks for SE

yawn

@Iain I didn't see that as a bad thing. =/

@Wesley I don't either, it's just an extreme way of saying you haven't done any research

I want to go to beeeeedddddd

/whine

Customer got suddenly very popular in an app store and there's an emergency migration happening.

Silly codes aren't coding.

I'm going to start getting bitey.

Okay. Crisis averted

I'm going to bed

2AM and I wasn't even on call.

But you know what?

I'm making a steady paycheck, which is still enough of a novelty for me after my years of attempting to be indie, that I really don't care that much. =)

Wonder how long it'll take before the afterglow wears off.

Okay, night darlins

@Wesley good night

TIL using MMB on the new tab button in chrome googles whatver is in the clipboard

MMB ?

TIL?

@pauska I know that one today I learned

oh

I really try to avoid acronyms as much as possible

ah, the rain has returned

@pauska FFS SSL

@RyJones oh yay, rants by people who have no clue :(

@Iain Middle Mouse Button -.-

@RyJones TL;DR: "I have no idea what I'm doing, so I follow random links off of google and get angry when stuff doesn't magically work without my having to actually know anything".

@RyJones "If you lost your private key but you did have it password-protected, you're still toast: the available encryption cyphers are meant to be fast, not hard to break. Any serious attacker will crack it directly. " ...tell me this is satire

@NathanC well point still stands if you lost a private key even encrypted it cant be trusted

@Nick Well yeah...but a lot of the "blog" is seriously bogus, lol

@JennyD No, that guy knows exactly what he's doing. SSL really is a huge mess, and he correctly hit most of the high points.

And the low points.

openssl.org/news/secadv_20141015.txt

dem advisories

Welcome to the post-Snowden world.

FYI: Dairy Queen Credit Card Breach

@BigHomie Aug 28, 2014

Yeah, but unlike Target this didn't make front page news, so ask me how I found out >.>

@BigHomie Haha, I can guess :)

Got the wife's debit card, she got a new one, then they got her again yesterday

She's a diary queen fanatic

I think I'm switching back to cash.

At least until Bitcoin is more widespread.

Yeah, at least for small stuff, I'm still not comfortable carrying around hundreds of dollars in cash

> Last week, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security said that more than 1,000 U.S. retailers could be stricken with Backoff malware, which has also been linked to incidents at United Parcel Service and Supervalu.

order of operation I see

mco package update openssl

UBUNTU Y U NO UPDATE

Just found this. What does SELinux do to contain the the bash exploit? If you still aren't using SELinux, start today.

@MichaelHampton I saw that a few days ago

@michaehampton should I enable it at a few test sites just to see?

Put it in permissive mode and monitor /var/log/audit/audit.log for AVC denied messages

@ewwhite You can safely run it in permissive mode and then just collect the audit log later to see what would have happened.

I have DR systems for the customers. Should be okay to go enforcing

You'll get the most benefit, though, on public-facing servers

More of my clients paid for that Shellinabox solution this week.

So, definitely public facing.

Oh god, that Shellinabox is scary as fuck.

I'm not sure anything can help you there.

They charge $2000 for it.

Shit. I'm clearly in the wrong line of work.

Which includes an SSL certificate.

Do they include lube?

Ouch.

Seriously. They're getting paid to open giant gaping Goatse-sized security holes.

@MichaelHampton ^^^ that's the lube they provide

I give my clients who buy the Shellinabox solution a printout of a john password cracking run.

and say, "you'll pay me more than $2k to recover your hacked server"

What are they doing with Shellinabox? What's the use case?

Easy remote access to produce pro from offsite via a browser. Also, for mobile tablet access

So, literally a shell session.

Eh? Fuck that. PuTTY, JuiceSSH, Prompt2

ppro.davalansales.com/webclient

The traditional method is a customized putty. But that's not convenient enough.

@MichaelHampton seems legit ;)

They haven't installed the cert yet.

So, what's all this about Shellinabox?

It takes 10 seconds to set up a PuTTY shortcut, big hairy deal.

@ewwhite Oh yeah, I caved in and put some fenders on my road/cx bike.

Is it that the implementation is untrusted, or something else?

...does it even support public-key auth?

@freiheit I put mine on last week but took them off again as we're having a bit of a heatwave

@Bob No...it 's just a JavaScript based serial terminal, OLD style

Oh, look, nobody cares.

@MichaelHampton Ok. This can't end well.

@freheit I took my fendered bike out today.

@Iain There's a reason I went with fenders that take less than 5 minutes to remove or put on. Well, for that road/cx bike. The touring/commuter is getting something bolted on and longer.

@freiheit I have race blades - they go on and off easy once they've been set up once

@Iain Yeah. Took a smidge over 5 minutes to get them on, but seems like it'd be maybe a minute or two the next time around.

12 miles in the cold rain.

I have an Ass Saver for the summer but switch to mudguards for the winter

ass-savers.com

Look into the Portland Design Works fenders.

They don't need braze-ons

Actually, mine are Road Racer 2s and they don't use braze ons

Yeah, but sketchy attachment.

I've had no trouble with them

except he can't -1 as he doesn't have enough rep hahahahahahh

I got pre-release crude. Reviewed them. Then they fell apart. So I got another pair. And they fell apart.

This will be my fourth winter with the same set

Reason #3896724 why I hate apt-get. It doesn't tell me the versions of the packages it intends to install.

Oops.

I view Debian/Ubuntu as a defect.

@ewwhite Yeah, pretty much. I can't understand why people like them.

@madhatter serverfault.com/q/593034/126632

@ewhite: Re RAID1 on loopback: I can. I have even advised someone to do it

Granted, that was when a FAT filesystem could not be reformatted but had to store a single 6GiB file.

It's a huge turnoff to talk to companies and have them be like, "oh, we use Ubuntu|Debian everywhere"

uhm, and RAID-0, not RAID-1, so never mind

I don't understand why.

Marketing, maybe?

But poor hardware support.

Shitty defaults.

Here's what I think is happening. These developers come to Linux from Windows by way of Ubuntu, because it's supposedly "easy". Then they learn all the crappy Ubuntu- and Debian-isms and think that that's the way things are supposed to be. Then they start companies.

And thus the vicious cycle perpetuates itself.

And nowhere in the process does a real sysadmin step in.

Of course not. It's an "unnecessary expense".

And that's how you get this...

Meh, that does not show the picture.

@Hennes If you're doing it really well, it could take months before anybody notices...

Which is a sad view on the job. :(

@Hennes Sometimes you have to stop bailing water and spend time patching the hole in the boat. Or stop chopping and do a bit of ax sharpening...

This is why good admins also know how sell themselves and bring attention and visibility to their efforts.

Aye. But that is a skill I am still learning.

Learning technical skills is easy compared to that.

@ewwhite can sell watermelons to a produce company...

cheers!

I'm not too bad at sales.

@freiheit @Iain What do you guys think about this?

Sometimes you'll be in powershell sometimes bash... After 7 years of service we offer a four week paid sabbatical for all employees.

@ewwhite Sounds pretty good...

oh it's @DennisKaarsemaker

@freiheit 7 years...

How have you been sir?

@mossy a bit tired

@ewwhite 3 weeks PTO/year with increases over time isn't bad... The sabbatical part is tad silly...

heh.

but seriously... I was thrown off by the devops platform agnostic statements

a powershell guru isn't necessarily going to be a bash superstar

They're just making cool sounds

(reading up on SELinux)

@ewwhite I pay more attention the bullet points... They want somebody with windows and linux (cli for both), Cloud VMs, configuration management, mongo/redis/NoSqlDbOfTheWeek, network, SQL DB, monitoring, and Continuous Integration... So, basically, they're bringing a sysadmin into a crew that's dev heavy and want somebody with a bit of dev chops and that can handle both platforms...

@freiheit I think any solid sysadmin with experience supporting developers could pick it up...

but when I talk to firms like that, they don't want anyone correcting their processes.

they likely have some atrocious systems practices.

@ewwhite So, it sounds like something the right candidate might want to apply for and ask a lot of pointed questions during the process... (find out about their processes and try to find out about how entrenched they are with them)

of course.

I'd like Strava more ;)

@ewwhite and don't forget the $1,200 extra bike dollars a year. $1,200/yr fitness reimbursement to purchase any items related to healthy living.

that's like one wheel for me

or 7 months of my gym...

@freiheit Please apply, though!

@ewwhite Nah

:(

Interesting website in this question serverfault.com/questions/638048/odd-404-error-in-apache

you don't say

@Iain even sexworkers need websites.... (pads pockets)

evening

@ewwhite yep

I think @MichaelHampton inadvertently helped me get some contract work for this developer's environment.

Who me?

@MichaelHampton I think I had you review the CMS offering or something

Yeah, it looks familiar, but I don't remember what I did

I do know that whatever it was, you didn't pay me anything for it!

@MichaelHampton helped me talk intelligently enough to get the work.

Okay, so SELinux is enforcing on all of the DR servers, with auditd running...

Also this...

It's sad that this is a thing.

@ewwhite And they charge too much. I've made that before, with maybe $2/cable worth of sugru... (which can also reinforce a partially broken middle of a cable pretty well)

@freiheit It's more of an Apple monopoly since they never licensed the MagSafe plug to anyone