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00:15
@MarkHenderson Sfy 'Sup Limited? They're great to work with.
Ed,
   As I am sure you know we are still having issue with the mail system.  I have a Question. would you know the Differences between the BSD-MAILX and the HEIRLOOM MAILX (the one we are currently running)?

I have seen several suggestion from people (on the next) to switch to the BSD-MAILX. what is your opinion?
(again, from a native English speaker from California)
Are they using a command line MUA? And considering BSD's mailx as an upgrade of what they're currently using?!
jhgkb bbb g ,jb , bb
00:33
running into this bullshit...
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Q: linux mail < file.log has Content-Type: application/octet-stream (a noname attachment in Gmail)

KCDI've been using mail -s "here is a log file" "[email protected]" < log/logfile.log Which used to come through with headers: User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But now the files are longer I'...

I'm debugging now.
a good message...
Subject: OK!!.LONE-TAR.Verify-Master.LONE-TAR.[CRON]
User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
a bad message...
Subject: OK!!.LONE-TAR.Verify-Selective.LONE-TAR.[MENU]
User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: application/octet-stream
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Bad messages get misinterpreted and sent with a base64-encoded attachment of ATT00001.bin
But this only seems to be happening at one or two sites.
@ChrisS Switching RHEL's /etc/alternatives to /usr/bin/bsd-mailx seems to have worked.
00:54
Maybe i'll write an SF question.
Because some people never do that.
@ewwhite That's what I'd expect of BSD's superior code =]
@ChrisS Do you have any idea why this would be a problem for me now?
I've deployed many other servers with this OS/mailx version and haven't had the issue
Why a GNU tool doesn't work correctly, sorry, no idea at all.
It is in fact a fork of BSD mailx
And, bugs notwithstanding, a very nice one too.
/*
* Copyright 2004 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All rights reserved.
* Use is subject to license terms.
*/
Don't blame that stuff on BSD
01:10
this is pissing me off, though
01:42
sup
You find a new job yet?
02:06
Nope.
Papa John's closed early tonight, to do some "upgrades". I went in to carryout some pizza, and saw they were replacing some ancient green screen terminals with more modern ones...which seem to be running Windows XP.
Green-screen makes the world go round
Green screen is so 20th century.
I love it when someone sends an angry email and they CC my boss and their boss into the email, and I can reply-all with "Dear Narrell, the reason the data is incorrect in your system is because the data you provided for import was inconsistent. Please see the screenshot below of the data you gave us."
I remember I was in highschool IT class when I first heard the term "Garbage In, Garbage Out" - I never thought I would use it so frequently in my career.
02:17
@MarkHenderson GiGo explains pretty much all the parts of my job I can't automate.
@MichaelHampton I am going to fucking put that in my email signature
Garbage in, garbage out has been a problem now for almost two centuries.
@MichaelHampton I should paraphrase it as "If you put dumb in, you'll get dumb out"
- Mark Henderson, circa 2014
Hm. Wiki has it as: "On two occasions I have been asked, — 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' In one case a member of the Upper, and in the other a member of the Lower, House put this question. I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." Says something about politicians, no?
02:32
Hello
02:57
@MichaelHampton Alas. politicians would probably ask the same question today. When they're not trying to break everything cause of [terrorists/the children]
@JourneymanGeek Have you heard of Ebola?
Ebola
Virus ^
And? What exactly are you trying to say?
Cause that's a wierd topic of conversation
@7Blue_Beast7 I think you're in the wrong chat room.
03:00
"Rated 18+ for Language, Adult Humor, Adult Content, Adult Themes, Mild Peril and Sexual Content." - Isn't this legal to speak about?
@7Blue_Beast7 Sure it just seems like a very odd choice of conversation
I am quiet sure Ebola is more adult topic to speak about...
@7Blue_Beast7: You clearly don't understand sysadmin humour.
Whoah, the price difference between a 720p security camera and a 1080p security camera is $153 vs $572
wtf
I've always been amazed at the insane markups on "security cameras"
03:04
@MichaelHampton: I suspect its so they can sell them 'cheaper' in bulk
@MichaelHampton I could buy 4k GoPro's for that price
And I could mount it outside
No, it's just plain greed
A gopro would be much more discreet than these monsters as well
@MarkHenderson: I think deterrence is part of the point
@JourneymanGeek :/
03:05
Sometimes it is. But ideally you should have both visible and hidden cameras.
Uh... I never heard such word.
@7Blue_Beast7 Then you're absolutely in the wrong room.
My local 24 hour hypermarket used to sell 'fake' security cameras ;p
@MichaelHampton Does that word exist or was it made up?
@JourneymanGeek These are going into our office reception space. We're not allowed to ahve them outside the office
03:07
@MarkHenderson: Wouldn't a IP webcam do then?
You don't need the waterproofing and such a proper cam would have
I've seen places that just use consumer models for security cams indoors
@JourneymanGeek True
@JourneymanGeek I have considered this. Logitech have a nice Full HD 70 degree FoV webcam for around $120
(Yes, I have a habit of working out where security cams are and the angles. Came out of knowing the best places to take a break during guard duty in the army ;))
Which... if I'd learnt lockpicking, would have equipped me for a life of crime pretty well ;p
Don't do that again either.
@7Blue_Beast7 Excuse me?
@JourneymanGeek Petty crime more like it
03:09
Yeah ;p
(I know exactly how shitty the average home lock is, and have done.. authorised breaking ins a few times)
@JourneymanGeek I've never bothered
Usually when someone left the army and forgot to clear out their lockers
I just sit outside and wait for my wife to come home
I said Don't do that again
I have Kevin Mitnick's business card. It just happens to double as a lockpicking set.
03:10
@7Blue_Beast7: You're in no position to make vague threats about nothing at all.
@7Blue_Beast7 You're done. Don't ever return to this chat room.
@MichaelHampton: Oh, I have a kit. I just haven't gotten the knack.
Its fun tho, almost as zen as system building ;p
@JourneymanGeek I'm not patient enough
;p
Thats part of the point really.
But I learnt patience the hard way. Dealing with my parents ;p
@JourneymanGeek Fortunately I've never had to use it...
03:19
nice
I'm not the sort to misplace my keys
@MichaelHampton: Mine are on my bus card, so I can't actually leave the house without either
Unrelatedly (Other than the only reason I know about the proper way to do this is cause I was in an armoured unit...)
While he's doing it wrong, that is a cool way to open a bottle
@MichaelHampton It happens to me if I jhave a lot of loose change in my pockets. It feels like my keys, but of course it's not. I get as far as my car before I realise
Aha. I keep change in a separate pocket than keys.
@ChrisS FreeBSD uses its own mailx command, which has a completely separate codebase. NetBSD uses Heirloom mailx. OpenBSD uses the original BSD mailx.
03:50
-1
Q: Rude and without Warning

7Blue_Beast7I'd like to report the following mods from: Serverfault; http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/127/the-comms-room - chat room. Moderators: Michael Hampton, and Journeyman. Report: http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/18176635#18176635 http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message...

Haters gonna hate.
(Considering I did nothing at all)
Would posting a bunny with a pancake on its head as an answer be considered impolite?
04:43
@MichaelHampton You know what's funny? When I saw him come in and say hello, I thought about roughhousing him and saying something like SUCK IT NERD! but then stopped because I didn't want @MichelZ to get jealous.
If only I had.
@MichaelHampton Bah, he's 13.
Not our target audience.
We need to ban anyone under 21.
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At a minimum.
We already ban anyone under 21 IQ.
That other teen, "Undo", that caused so much trouble. They skeeve me.
Undo straightened out, though
04:49
@MichaelHampton He left us alone, that's all I know. Dunno about his trajectory after he left. I kept an eye on his activity for a few weeks to see if I could detect another strike, but after a while he seemed to realize that he was outnumbered, if nothing else.
@Wesley Yeah, he shaped up and even went on to become a moderator on another site
"Software Recommendations" lulz
Hey, that site is a real pain to moderate
Agreed ;p
Though some interesting stuff comes out of there
Good. Maybe it'll keep him too busy to be anywhere else.
04:52
Not quite the same pain as SF, but still.
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A: Linux-based alternative to LICEcap

Colin KeenanUpdate 10/13/2014: Version 2.0 released. Added options to create webm or mp4 videos instead of just animated gifs. Added a script to do a full install without root privileges. Update 10/4/2014: Runs in Unity, no problem, and there's now a PPA for installation - Thanks to Seth for his Unity Indi...

(yeah, its my question, but that answer ended up something cool)
@MichaelHampton: Different kind of pain, certainly
We delete a lot of stuff for quality standards for example
@JourneymanGeek I had no idea you were a mod there.
Good. Keep all the crazies in line.
@Wesley: Actually, I've been a mod there longer than SU
KILL.
Heh. Any post with screenshots is probably going to be good.
04:59
pro-tem of course.
@MichaelHampton: Any post with screenshots made with the tool written to solve the problem ...
And that thing has had a ton of updates, I'm behind.
Maybe one day he'll get it packaged.
05:12
'ello
Bob
Bob
@Wesley :(
@Bob GTFO!! ☞
@DennisKaarsemaker AAYYYYYYYY!!
Bob
Bob
@Wesley Ok :(
@Wesley LEAVE BOB ALONE!!!
@Bob Well you don't put your age in your profile so that's better.
Bob
Bob
05:19
@Wesley I think this is the first time I've ever given a concrete hint.
@Bob You've told your age before.
Bob
Bob
(If you want to narrow it down, no, I'm not under 18 either)
@Wesley I have? O_O
@Bob I thought. I knew you were a teen.
I thought you were 15 though - there's someone else who is.
Bob
Bob
@Wesley ...I have this weird feeling of deja vu. This isn't the first time we've had this conversation.
@Bob it's a glitch in the matrix
05:27
@DennisKaarsemaker Your face is a glitch in the matrix.
@Wesley Your mom is a glitch in the matrix
Where has @PatoSáinz been
Speaking of teenagers.
Hasn't Tweeted since July.
I bet he's dead.
He died in a terrible cocaine heist.
@DennisKaarsemaker I installed perl today.
BRB rebooting my face.
05:56
G'day
@Iain Heya.
Go check meta for the latest troll fun. =)
I've seen it, wouldn't surprise me if it was a well known troll in sheeps clothing
morning
@Iain I hadn't considered that possibility.
@JennyD Hayyyy
@Iain: I doubt the sheep part
05:59
Welp, I've been faffing about with RethinkDB and ssh tunnels long enough to start hallucinating. I think I'll be off for the night.
@Wesley sleep well
@JennyD ty
ZZZZzzzzz... -.-
06:11
g'day
@Wesley to bed!
06:34
@Wesley woooooo \o/
06:52
@JennyD you have a new face!
@DennisKaarsemaker Yes
The old picture was I think maybe 4 years old or so... this one is more recent
07:11
Quick! I'm on my fourth Exchange install of the month. I need a name for the mail server!
HO-EXCH-[role]-01
or... 04?
Hmm
I was thinking tomato :)
(this place sells tomatoes)
tomato-mail, then? :)
07:28
Hmm
I usually make the exchange server a fruit or appropriate veggie...
dorky, yes
but these are simple installs.
Yeah, I subscribe to the servers-as-livestock naming conventions. Descriptive, not memorable.
I only do it for the mail server
I s'pose it's better than this garbage
; ANSWER SECTION:
pmscollects.com.	3600	IN	MX	10 pms-wc-exch01.internal.pmscollects.
Gawd, that internal.[companyname] domain is hilarious. Sorry about your luck.
Hope you're charging them a fortune to sort that shit out.
@HopelessN00b not my problem... this client built their own VMware/AD/Exchange without consulting me
different than the tomato place
Ugh, that's gonna be a disaster come 2015... or 2016, or whenever those new cert rules take effect for them. Mark it on your calendar and prepare for a windfall, I guess. =D
07:34
I asked them why they didn't have a proper top-level domain...
"Oh, I had problems with .com at another job, so I thought I'd try this"
<headdesk>
:)
I'll ask an SF question about it
but they don't really have any renaming options, and well... Marra says it's no worse than .local
No, one fake tld is the same as another... except for the fact that theirs is weird and embarrassing.
I mean, .local isn't a total facepalm, right?
Well, anymore it is... but way back in the day, Microsoft recommended it... even the default setup on SBS, so you have an excuse. Same mistake a lot of people made. Can't really fall back on that argument when you use .pmscollects, though. :)
07:43
but from a practical standpoint, is this client in trouble?
It's gonna be a pain in the ass when they can't get a 3rd party cert from a CA for SSL with that fake name. They'll have to either do it right and migrate to a real domain, or use some internal cert trickery.
I asked them what they are doing for spam filtering.
"Oh, we didn't decide on anything yet"
Me: "But you went live on Exchange already?"
Jeebus. An email server without spam protection? That's gotta waste a lot of time, filtering out the viagra offers from the real email.
Oh well... today and yesterday made me cry more than normal
back-to-back-to-back mail migrations is breaking me
Ugh, I feel ya. I love Exchange, but it sure is a pain in the ass to get setup.
07:49
The one I did yesterday was super smooth. No IIS issues, active sync and Outlook Anywhere worked out of the box
it's getting better
but oh,... 275 users.
and conference calls to discuss groups/mailboxes, etc
275 isn't that many, really... but conference calls, eww. What a painful waste of time.
Yes, this is about as big as my mail environments get
hence the single-server, stupid name installs
peach, banana, apple, pear, lime, tomato, kale
I still get calls... "what's the name of the mail server again?"
Now available for deletion meta.serverfault.com/questions/6607/rude-and-without-warning you know it makes sense
For that size, they really oughta be using hosted Exchange or O365. Just not worth the administrative overhead for a locally managed Exchange server.
@HopelessN00b Nope. Produce firms send a lot of internal docs.. more than you'd expect
and product photos...
can't choke bandwidth going to the hosted solution
07:54
why not just use mail ... ?
@ewwhite Damn, I guess so. Weird world we live in.
@Iain The extant Linux sendmail/dovecot servers already have that name
they have to coexist for a bit
@HopelessN00b like awful 50MB emails back and forth
showing the beetle infestation of the recent watermelon shipment in too much detail
or all of the legal paperwork for the warehouse guy who skewered himself on the forklift.
Heh. Seems like they'd solve a lot of problems by hiring an exterminator... and smarter/more careful warehouse workers... but what do I know? :)
I'm in the middle of 3 warehouse employee death investigations.
2
that's not pretty
@ewwhite what did you do?!
08:00
@ewwhite Yeah, you gotta get better at hiding or disposing of the bodies. IF there's an investigation, you've already screwed up pretty big.
one is messed up because the camera storage rolled-over... when people went back to see what happened, the video system had already purged the data
how fast is the purge ?
that guy hit his head on the door of the banana room/ripening chamber.
@Iain they only have a few days worth now... client added 24 cameras without increasing storage.
or telling me
and it took them a few days to go review the recording ?
yep
because nobody is actively monitoring it
08:03
or did they review them and not copy what they needed ?
no, it's just gone
so the knee-jerk reaction was to order a bunch of storage servers...
"we want 6-12 months of video now!"
the other deaths were the aforementioned forklift skewering...
and a drug deal gone bad in the parking lot of wife's company
both caught on camera
in Chicago, the warehouse guys are all union members.
very difficult to fire them
Damn. Never a dull moment in Chiraq, is there?
so the drug dealers make deliveries...
half the employees are gang members.
I kinda don't like my wife working around that
Can't blame you for that.
the produce drivers... who drive the trucks and deliver the goods into the restaurant spaces... they're union and make upwards of $95k/year
08:08
...and that would be exactly why I hate unions.
but they had a bit of an uprising because they wanted more... one guy went nuts and smeared feces all over the bathroom wall
can't have cameras in the bathroom, but we've narrowed down to two people based on hallway footage
Yeah, why bother developing skills or getting an education or even being productive when you can just join a protection racket union and act like a common thug?
wife is mad because she doesn't make that amount... and the concessions given to the union impacted her benefits.
but if you don't hire union people in chicago, the restaurants/hotels/etc. won't work with you. Really corrupt
Yeah, I got a little of that at my job, too... we have 3 unionized plants and they're all... just awful. And result in the rest of us getting less. :(
Chicago's been the corruption capital of the US for over a century, hasn't it?
So the tomato server I'm building right now is to have two Dynamic distribution groups... one for non-union employees, since they have different company communications
this will be in Philadelphia... also a union town
anywho... night. Time to sleep
08:18
morning
g'day
Dan
Dan
@HopelessN00b I find the US view of unions interesting, but I've not done enough reading to see if they're massively different to over here
Personally I'm a huge fan of unions, because most employers are bastards if left to their own devices
@Dan in the US they seem to have a lot more power
I found the use of markdown here kinda artistic:
08:32
The next time you do this again I am going to send other mods after you, you understand? Good bye! — 7Blue_Beast7 5 hours ago
0
Q: Exim 4.80.1 , OS:RHEL 6

mailaddressSir, I got error message like this while I am doing the "make" command. I want your help to resolve the error. [root@localserver exim-4.80.1]# make `Makefile' is up to date. make[1]: Entering directory `/root/exim-4.80.1/build-Linux-x86_64' version 4.80.1 #7 gcc ...

@Dan Over here, the unions are just as bad (or worse) than the employers.
Dan
Dan
@HopelessN00b I'll have to take your word, but I suspect our political leanings are somewhat irreconcilable ;)
08:33
@dawud use? more like bastardise
@Dan I'm pretty libertarian, but don't object to unions per se. The legal protections afforded them over here have allowed them to go wild, however, and they've become worse than the thing they were created to protect against.
@BigHomie where'd you go?
Hell, the UAW basically destroyed Detroit... was once a booming city, and it got turned into a slum, in large part because of a single union. :/
@dawud an interesting combination of magic quotes and text containing markdown characters
Dan
Dan
@HopelessN00b Interesting - there does seem to be some short shortsightedness as times
08:43
If you are running Drupal now would be a good time to patch it: sektioneins.de/en/blog/…
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@Dan Yeah, not that corporations are above that either, but at least they don't try to claim the moral high ground. If I gotta choose between two evils, I'll prefer the honest evil every time.
Dan
Dan
@HopelessN00b Haha, I'll give you that
09:17
sales e-mail from Ricoh offering HP toners...wtf...
weird - someone just downvoted this; serverfault.com/a/427020/1435 I know Michael's was a better answer mine wasn't wrong as such was it?
while your answer is true, it seems to lack the answering of the question in my opinion, which the other 2 answers mention.
while i personally do not think its downvote reason, i could understand why someone thinks that way.
Fair enough
09:35
one of our 6th formers is wearing a white fedora...
Bob
Bob
@faker Well fuck me.
4
> Drupal 7.32
Phew.
already updated?
Bob
Bob
@faker Yea. That particular site has auto-updates.
...actually, it's still a test site. It was just due for publishing in a week or two.
oh crap, I just thought of a site we may use Drupal on
Dan
Dan
@tombull89 Ah, six formers!
10:34
for the first time ever today platinum is cheaper than gold
Dan
Dan
10:50
@Chopper3 Well, the wifes rings were a good investment then :(
@Dan mis-read as plutionium...funny thing to make a ring out of...
Dan
Dan
@tombull89 Great for smuggling it though
Bob
Bob
@ewwhite He... hit his head... either crazy unlucky or coverup.
@Dan all modern airports have very sensitive radioactive-material detectors now though
Bob
Bob
11:01
@Chopper3 If it's an alpha emitter you could probably just wrap it in some foil.
Dan
Dan
@Chopper3 One would rather hope so
So, as part of Windows 8 validation or some such shit SanDisk made a bunch of USB drives which show up as a local, fixed drive
This is seriously screwing me over
as opposed to removeable storage?
Dan
Dan
Yep
Which means all the software designed to do things with USB drives (Namely the Wyse USB imaging tool, any USB cloning software etc) don't see the damned thing
@Dan: ow
Thats kinda poor programming tho
as so it's been recognised as storage on the thin client as opposed to being connected to the remote server?
Dan
Dan
11:13
@tombull89 Nah, it's a normal USB pen stick but if you plug it in it shows in Windows as a local disk, rather than removable
@JourneymanGeek I dunno, I think that's unfair. People do it like that to stop folk trashing their system drives
always annoying
@Dan: hm, I guess
Dan
Dan
@JourneymanGeek Plus it was a standard for however many years
I SEEM to recall that's a flag, and there used to be a tool that flipped it
Dan
Dan
@JourneymanGeek Firmware based, according to the SanDisk forums
Apparently they've stopped making them - doesn't help the 30 we have though :D
11:15
@Dan: To me, a "ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS!" makes more sense
ow
superuser.com/questions/391176/… lexar's bootit. The accepted answer is a person who spams his blog on SU tho :/
Dan
Dan
Anyone know a lightweight drive cloner - non bootable
non bootable? hmm...I had one in college but I think last supported OS was XP
Dan
Dan
Sorry, I'm being hugely unclear as I'm bouncing between tasks. I'm just after a Windows App which will do a bit level clone of a drive.
Bob
Bob
@Dan huh. I have a bunch of identical SanDisk drives and some do that
Never doing out why
Drive cloner, I'd jump to dd :P
Bob
Bob
Win32DiskImager's alright... the one that Raspbian recommends
And@JourneymanGeek just posted
That will work on bootable drives too. One drive at a time tho
Dan
Dan
Cheers, one at a time is fine
Got some dodgy consumer partition program having a go at the minute, but will try if it fails
Dan
Dan
11:50
Dan
Dan
So cloning worked, but was clearly a waste of fucking time
Thought that might just work
You weren't talking about how the devices were hardcoded, or they misspelling Removable as Removalbe?
Dan
Dan
@JourneymanGeek The whole lot of it is pissing me off now
sell them on eBay and use the money to buy decent ones...

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