The Comms Room

pauska

11:08

so.... how's the weather like?

jscott

13:08

@pauska No too bad here in upstate NY. Sunny, cool 50ish, might hit 70. Could be 80 tomorrow. But since I'm stuck in the office/noc all day....

Adam Benayoun

Hello all

jscott

Hi

Adam Benayoun

So this is the chat room for serverfault, I wonder why we need one :)

jscott

@AdamBenayoun So we can b!tch about vendors, clients, etc?

Kyle Brandt

@AdamBenayoun: For the lonely sysadmins

@AdamBenayoun: It has helped us organize some SF promotion as well

jscott

13:19

@AdamBenayoun Oh, wait, wrong channel. That's the Grumpy Sysadmin's Channel..

Kyle Brandt

@jscott: Is there another kind?

2

Warner

Some are grumpier than others.

Kyle Brandt

@Warner: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT!!!

Warner

haha. yawn--morning.

Zypher

14:18

What's wrong with being a grumpy sysadmin -specially on monday morning ?

GregD

N O T H I N G

Zypher

excellent

phsr

you know whats awesome? a new server with no cd-drive

phsr

and I dont have a usb cd-drive

phsr

or a pxe server

Chris S

14:25

Most of our new servers have no cd-drive, no hard drive, no-nothing drives. PXE or SAN boot and off it goes.

phsr

@ChrisS: I thought it was coming with a cd-drive, so now i have to rig up a PXE

Chris S

Can't steal one out of an existing server?

GregD

When I was young, we had to build our servers from the ground up. Had to image the disk using a magnet. Youngters nowadays

phsr

@ChrisS: no, first rackmount for us, so none of the other machines have a compatible cd drive

Chris S

:4175 Pft, when I was young we booted the whole OS off a floppy disk; there was no hard disk.

GregD

14:28

Floppies? Shoot. No joke, I remember getting our "programs" to save to cassette tapes from a TRS-80

The first hard drive I ever got was a whopping 25MB and it cost just under $1000

Chris S

Alas I missed the tape drive era. I had a VIC-20, but I used cartridges, not tapes. :(

GregD

and I actually remember 8" floppies

phsr

@ChrisS: what OS is your pxe?

Zypher

@phar we went out at some point and bought like 5 usb dvd drives for just that situation. Always worked like a charm :)

phsr

@Zypher: it's phSr ;)

Chris S

14:30

:4182 At work, we're all Windows; WDS for the PXE server, and boots WinPE.

phsr

yea, we need usb drives

Zypher

dang it ... that's like the 3rd time i've done that

phsr

yes

Zypher

i blame my astigmatism the 's' looks like and 'a' if i'm not paying attention

phsr

@ChrisS: does WDS allow you to use any iso for pxe?

Chris S

14:33

I don't believe so; I'm not terrible familiar with used it to boot anything other than a WinPE image made for PXE booting.

phsr

im trying to install VMware ESXi on the new server

Chris S

:4192 From a little googling, sounds like it's possible; but I'm not very good with either ESX or Linux.

Zypher

@phsr see if this link helps (warning pdf) vmware.com/pdf/vsp_4_pxe_boot_esxi.pdf

Izzy

I loved my Commodore +4 :)

phsr

I havent been able to get PXE on linux, but i may be able to make an installable usb of VMware

GregD

14:43

I love my Apple ][+

Warner

I spend the few bucks for a disc drive on all servers. Worth it for the irritating edge cases.

phsr

we got this one from cdw, so it wasnt configutable

GregD

or get a usb dvd drive

Kyle Brandt

@phsr: Maybe think of it as forcing you do something that will pay off in the long run anyways :-)

Izzy

/me waits for revenge voting

phsr

14:55

someone is bringing in a usb dvd drive tomorrow

Izzy

15:09

"It sounds like your former employee has left himself a back-door. If that's the case... and the employee didn't leave of his own desire... you might need to call the law-enforcement folks... and at the very least... file a report."

/blood boil

3

Q: Cannot remove user account as the domain administrator

win2k3. Logged in as the domain admin account, I cannot modify a specific user. I can edit other users. Almost every change I try gives "access denied". This users is a former domain admin who is no longer with the company and I need to disable their account.

Reasonable downvote?

Chris S

:4211 Agreed

Chris S

I wont further it; but over-reaction has no place in System Administration.

4

Izzy

I usually drive-by downvote because I can't be bothered to get drawn into a protracted argument with the downvotee, but I just had to say something on this one

Aye - tbh, theirs was the reaction of a hobbyist

if you know what I mean

Chris S

:4217 I try to always comment when I downvote; I hate when I think I have a good answer and get a downvote without explanation. But yeah, sometimes they disagree, I just ignore them unless they have a really good point.

Izzy

He's still blathering on though

Any seasoned Sysadmin (well, they wouldn't suggest that in the first place) would go "oh, hehe, yeah, my bad"

oh well

@ChrisS Ah well, live and let die :)

Chris S

15:20

:4225 When you were young, and your heat was an open book, you used to say live and let live; you know you did, you know you did, you know you did!

Izzy

Epic - that was the last decent album they did IMHO

then Axel put on 350lbs

Warner

Calling cops about anyone or anything should be done with deliberation and justification.

Izzy

Agreed

his retort went on to say it's perfectly fine to call in a report to the police because the sun was too bright

I don't think he's heard of the charge, "Wasting police time"

Again, hobbyist, with enough knowledge to be dangerous to any environment he's let loose on

Warner

Imagine getting a call from the cops about a permission issues after leaving an employer, that would be horrible.

Izzy

lol

Chris S

15:29

:4236 It's usually "Filling a False Report" and that's reserved for situations where is (or should be) obvious there's no crime; this case is a gray area, but it's leaning heavily toward white at the moment.

Kyle Brandt

Ugh ... windowz br0ke my linuxes ...

Apparently some dell software

Izzy

Dell ftl

Kyle Brandt

The thing is it didn't even just overwrite grub with the windows boot loader, no os boots now

sysadmin1138

15:43

Owie!

pauska

phsr: You can install ESXi from a USB-pen

Chopper3

and over iLO/DRAC etc.

pauska

Yarr

phsr

16:02

once its booted from the USB-pen, how do i get it to install?

Chopper3

If it's the installer that booted from the USB stick then it'll automatically give you the option to install to you local disks - it's just like booting from CD/ISO.

phsr

then i guess i didnt extract the right image, because its just running off the boot

phsr

grrrrrr

Chopper3

it's the installer .iso file you need to break out onto the USB stick - for ESXi the latest one is called something along the lines of 'VMware-VMvisor-Installer-4.1.0-260247.x86_64.iso'.

phsr

i have that image

phsr

16:08

whats a good iso -> usb-pen tool?

Chopper3

umm...what OS are you blowing it with?

phsr

i have ubuntu osx and win7 at my disposal

Chopper3

I'm no expert sorry but try this; tomshardware.com/forum/243423-32-image-flash

pauska

Anyone here have experience with vRanger (for vmware)? I'm looking to find a cost-effective solution to do nightly (or several times a day, if possible) snapshots/delta copies to a offsite colo

Josh

:4263 I'd tell you to ask in the VMware room but I'm the only one in there atm :-)

chat.serverfault.com/rooms/10/virtualization

And I have no experience with vRanger, sorry

pauska

16:21

I gotta learn one day how to link to rooms/questions :P

Josh

:4267 Just post the URL :-)

phsr

@pauska: jsut paste the links, it gets parsed

Josh

(and nothing else)

pauska

@Josh: oh.

Josh

[status-chat-is-awesome]

pauska

16:22

Thats probably where I went wrong; posting a URL and then typing after it

Josh

:4273 Exactly

phsr

and you cant @ someone

Josh

:4275 You can reply though

:4275 chat.serverfault.com/rooms/6/general-chat

phsr

it has to be two separate lines

phsr

@Josh: chat.serverfault.com/rooms/10/virtualization

phsr

16:24

see that doesnt work

Josh

But a :number reply does work

:4279 chat.serverfault.com/rooms/6/general-chat

> :4279 chat.serverfault.com/rooms/6/general-chat

phsr

ah ok

phsr

i didnt know about :#

Josh

:4288 Use the little reply icons on the right hand side of others' posts

phsr

:4289 chat.serverfault.com/rooms/10/virtualization

Josh

16:26

phsr

cool

Josh

There you go :-)

OK, back to work for me... I'll be lurking today, so just @Josh me if you need me... Check my "about me" to see my status...

pauska

root@odin:/home/teamspeak/tss5# file server_linux
server_linux: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
root@odin:/home/teamspeak/tss5# ls -lad server_linux
-rwxr-xr-x 1 teamspeak teamspeak 950856 2007-09-25 00:53 server_linux
root@odin:/home/teamspeak/tss5# ./server_linux
bash: ./server_linux: No such file or directory

hm.....

phsr

chmod +x?

phsr

:D

pauska

16:37

it iss -rwx

phsr

ah missed that line sorry

phsr

does the full path work?

Rajat

GM!!

I wanted to thanks a ton SF team today i had interview and they ask me how much numbers you any SF !! I'm so glad they looked in to my account told that i'm selected:D

pauska

@phsr: Nay. What the feck is this :o

Rajat

it not i can give all the details of new company u can have word with HR head

Warner

16:44

Cool, @Rajat.

Rajat

:4309 Thanks a ton

phsr

@pauska: weird

pauska

Found out what it was

it's a 32bit executable on a 64bit system

the 32-bit libs were suddenly missing after a reboot

Kyle Brandt

17:02

My 3rd monitor only works upon a reboot if I shutdown -h and then unplug the powersuppy :-P

sysadmin1138

Icky! That's just wrong.

Kyle Brandt

17:33

What is just amazing is that the cd drive on my laptop sounds exactly like the floppy used to on my tandy 1000

sysadmin1138

Somehow I suspect that isn't a good thing.

phsr

ugh, i hate days like today

phsr

my day is almost over, and i have about as much accomplished as i did when i got in

phsr

my pptp server dont work :(

Kyle Brandt

17:50

You know what would be amazing, if explorer support ssh browsing

phsr

it would be amazing if windows had a real shell :D

sysadmin1138

:4340 Huh, that would rock.

Kyle Brandt

If gmail is going to block zips they could at least not do it based on extension

sysadmin1138

Whaaaaat? Since when did they resort to StupidFiltering?

"Best Practices" documents that advocate blocking all compressed-container formats really get me ranting.

There is a glitch in the matrix.

Chris S

:4341 You haven't used PowerShell have you.

Warner

18:09

-1

Q: Why are we constantly told, "There's a disk space issue"?

Hi, all. This morning, I was helping a BA with a particularly complicated report. I notice that in the reporting Development environment, we were only seeing a single day of data. Not only that, but the day is from a period of time where the data, itself, isn't particularly useful or indicativ...

storage diskspace best-practices

"I'm going to whine to the Internet."

Joe Philllips

18:21

:4352 Maybe he legitimately wanted to know

Kyle Brandt

@d03boy: Just grumpy becuase its monday ... don't provoke :-P

Joe Philllips

I'm grumpy too grumble grumble

Chris S

:4355 There's a difference between "What prohibits most companies from investing in disk storage technology" vs "Why the f--- doesn't my company just buy more disks"

Joe Philllips

I don't know... didn't sound like that at all to me

Joe Philllips

unless it's been edited a bit

Chris S

18:24

I may have exaggerated a bit to make the point...

Chris S

:4350 I just read your article on IPv6; I think the differences are a bit understated, and the designers of IPv6 really flubbed it up in a few areas. To most users I think you got it right; it's going to transport data just the same, but I think it'll be more pain than gain to System/Network Admins.

sysadmin1138

:4362 My target audience on that one was mostly our desktop support people, rather than the Sysadmin/Netadmin groups. They have a different set of concerns that seem to be based mostly on "how do I statically configure a network node?".

Our Network group has said repeatedly and recently, "We have an IPv4 /16 block. We don't need IPv6."

However, last week I found out they've been talking migration issues internally.

Joe Philllips

:4364 Is that the only reason to use IPv6?

Warner

Damn right, @ChrisS.

sysadmin1138

:4367 The explanation changes each time it is given, but one of the commonly repeated ones is that they'll move as soon as things start breaking by being on a pure v4 stack.

Warner

18:37

I attended a presentation at LinuxFest that made a strong argument for IPv6 support externally. Previously, I would have argued stronger against it. I'm considering it sooner than later.

sysadmin1138

Sounds like an interesting talk, what were the high points?

Joe Philllips

:4370 What kind of changes are involved? I'm assuming you have some hardware that will already handle it seamlessly?

Warner

It depends. If your environment is large, you will probably have some devices or applications that do not support it. However, you can multi-home a proxy or DMZ router to route the traffic internally. Dude claimed IPv6 doesn't currently support NAT but I didn't research it myself.

There's a bunch of craziness involve IPv6 proxies too, which I'd probably avoid.

I'd say the more reasonable approach is keep IPv4 internally but support IPv6 externally.

Rajat

Which jboss version has netty by defaults

sysadmin1138

Unfortunately for us, getting IPv6 on our externally facing apps means pretty much doing all the work for a deployment anyway. Being on a /16 means our "DMZ" is pretty close to the center of the network.

Warner

18:43

Ouch. All your DMZ has Internet routable addressing, @sysadmin1138?

Chris S

I've played quite a bit with IPv6, but getting all our vendors on the same page seems to be the real crux in the operation. We have a couple vendors that flat out said, no we don't support it, it doesn't work with our $TECH, and we're not working on it. Others want to charge more. Others (most) are ready to go now. We have very little "need" for it, but it could allow for some new and very interesting network situations (mainly around internal globally routable IPs and security like IPSec).

Warner

IPv4 has IPSec.

sysadmin1138

:4379 I work for a .edu with a /16 netblock, we've found very little need for RFC1918 addresses. PCI-DSS and router out-of-band are about it.

It certainly threw me for a loop when I first showed up and was told the IP address assigned to my computer. And then found I could SSH to it from home.

Chris S

:4383 I hope that was after they added your home IP to a whitelist in the firewall or something similar...

Warner

haha, nice @sysadmin1138. Old school style.

And that's the crazy thing with IPv6. It's a different way to think about things entirely. Non-Internet routable addressing and NAT'ing may be made largely obsolete with IPv6.

Chris S

18:53

:4387 It certainly should be... But this puts a larger "burden" on NetAdmins to properly secure the firewall.

Warner

Indeed. It might actually simplify networking a great deal in the long term.

sysadmin1138

:4385 Hah, I wish. At that moment, 2003, the only thing standing between me and the naked internet were a few well chosen router rules. They added a firewall in late 2004 IIRC, and set it to default-deny after a series of incidents in 2005ish.

Old School, like warner said.

Ironically, properly securing our IPv4 network better enables us to 'do it right' with a IPv6 one. We're not all hiding behind a NAT gateway.

Doug Luxem

19:11

:4391 Do you work in higher education? It wasn't that many years ago that firewalls (let alone NAT) were a new concept in the open networks at universities.

Izzy

/me getting tired of clicking on Dismiss

Chris S

:4395 And the "mentioned" thing gets stuck. I've got "1" right now, but obviously I'm active; if I click on it, it'll go away... I'm not certain yet but i think it keep beeping too.

sysadmin1138

@Doug I do indeed work in Higher Ed. The dictum, "Information Shall Be Free," survived here a lot longer than elsewhere.

Warner

I still like that ethos.

Izzy

@ChrisS Noticed that too - but I can live with that. It's a PITA tabbing back to here only to discover I have to grab the mouse and click Dismiss

Kyle Brandt

19:35

What is the windows share permission anyone can access?

Not even real users

sysadmin1138

SYSVOL IIRC.

Oh ipc$.

Chris S

20:01

:4401 You mean "Everyone"?

Kyle Brandt

@ChrisS: Yes I did, there was another error

Went down the wrong path

Marc Gravell

@Izzy - you can press [escape]

Josh

I'm recompiling Apache on one of our cPanel servers... wish me luck guys!!

emtunc

Hey guys... is there an 'easy' painless way of archiving old mailboxes that are no longer in use - sbs 2003/exchange 2003

emtunc

These are ex-employee mailboxes

emtunc

20:15

I couldn't find any options whilst playing around with exchange

sysadmin1138

:4411 serverfault.com/questions/64155/…

Chris S

exmerge will let you dump their mailbox to a PST file (which Outlook can open).

Doug Luxem

Same here - exmerge and the PST file generally goes with the rest of their personal data. We don't keep mailboxes online beyond 30 days.

Doug Luxem

of course now exmerge = export-mailbox

emtunc

thankyou for the pointer!

emtunc

20:25

I love this place

emtunc

:)

Izzy

20:39

@MarcGravell Doesn't seem to work in Chrome

Josh

:4424 focus must be on the message box

Bart Silverstrim

Interesting that comment about calling the police for an account that couldn't be deleted.

Wouldn't have seen it if not for the highlighted message in teh sidebar.

Izzy

20:55

@BartSilverstrim Which comment was interesting? The starred one, or another in the answer comment thread?

Bart Silverstrim

the ides of jumping in to calling the police for an account irregularity.

Although now while I'm updating a remote system I browsed a comment on "pick a meme" and from there one of you bastards got me watching IT Crowd. @#%! youtube.com/watch?v=QAUyaELfwBo&NR=1

IT Crowd should be the official entertainment of ServerFault.

Zoredache

I like this one. youtube.com/watch?v=wrQUWUfmR_I

►

Bart Silverstrim

@Zoredache:must...resist...urge...to...google...Google...

Zoredache

You could try looking up recursion

Bart Silverstrim

Cute.

I wonder if there's a list of Google easter eggs.

Zoredache

21:10

Google easter eggs? google.com/Easter/feature_easter.html

Bart Silverstrim

Waitaminnit...aren't you the one I accused of being an AI?

Zoredache

I can neither confirm nor deny that statement.

Bart Silverstrim

Is it drinky time yet?

Windows is taking a really really long time with this round of updates to detect what is necessary...

Josh

:4443 How does it make you feel that you can neither confirm nor deny that statement?

Bart Silverstrim

21:27

@josh: He must be rebooting.

Josh

LOL

Bart Silverstrim

sigh I think I'm going to call it quits for the night. That last round of Windows updates can wait for another time.

It's been spinning that @#$ completion bar for 20 minutes.

Show me the way to go home...

I'm tired and I wanna go to bed...

:-)

Josh

I'm with you @Bart

Waiting for easyapache to finish compiling Apache... :-(

Bart Silverstrim

@josh: youtube.com/watch?v=97RSuv8hroc

Later everyone. Time to see if the wife and young'un got home yet...and whether the sun is still out...really need a webcam outside the door.

Josh

Later @bart!

phsr

21:38

anyone here running a VPN server on linux?

Josh

:4461 I am running a PPTP server under pfsense

phsr

@josh: easy to set up?

Josh

Well... I have some issues with it :-)

phsr

can you connect to it at least?

phsr

:)

Josh

21:41

0

Q: Using PFSense to securely connect two networks

At our local office we have a WAN connection which we break off into two VLANs using a Cisco RVS4000 Router: Our main gigabit ethernet wired network 10.1.0.0/24 and a wireless network 172.16.1.0/24. Attached to both networks is a PFSense box. I would like to use this PFSense box to set up a way ...

wireless-network pptp pfsense

I can connect to it, but since PFSense is a routing platform and I'm not using it as my router, I don't have it set up right

Kyle Brandt

`There is no way to add ptr records to a hosts file is there?

Josh

so when I connect to the VPN, I can access other machines on my 10.1 network, but can no longer reach the internet.

:4469 a CNAME you mean?

phsr

I'm trying to set up a simple VPN for now at work, no luck with PPTP on a DD-WRT router behind my router, nor a linux machine as well

Kyle Brandt

@Josh: No ... PTR

phsr

and i cant even connect to the server INSIDE of my network :(

Josh

21:42

:4473 Oh sorry, I'm not with it

:4473 I'm with you. I don't think so...

wait sorry

1

Q: Can I use the /etc/hosts file to configure an alias

The /etc/hosts file can be used to override dns definitions, i.e. to point an hostname to a different ip. I want to use /etc/hosts to make an alias record, i.e.e to make my computer think that www.mysite.com does not point to a "hard coded" up but instead is synonym of mychangingip.myip.com. Ca...

networking dns hosts

> The hosts file produces the internal equivalent of A and PTR records from the DNS

But doesn't say how...

Zoredache

Kyle, what are you trying to do? You could install dnsmasq and maintain local records.

Kyle Brandt

@Zoredache: Get by without a reverse DNS record for postfix for a little bit

postfix is relaying

Josh

22:13

Sorry @KyleBrandt, things are crazy here. Still need help?

Kyle Brandt

Nah, just increased the timeout on client until I get the PTR records up

Josh

Cool

tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1559355

> /etc/hosts entries of the usual "IP hostname [ optional.hostname.domain ] " format should resolve both ways using getnamebyaddr() calls.

For what that's worth

phsr

23:00

anyone have an linux based PXE server?

sysadmin1138

Yes, but not in a way that'll be useful for helping you troubleshoot a problem.

phsr

whats your setup?

phsr

is the PXE doing DHCP?

sysadmin1138

MS is doing DHCP.

It distributes the theoretically right options for Linux installers to pull their startup data.

phsr

how does it work exactly? does the DHCP say "this OS is here"?

sysadmin1138

23:11

Never got it working, though. We went all-in on ESX right about the time I got enough time to work on that project. We moved entirely over to VM-templates instead of Install Servers for SLES deployments.

That works so well, we've never gone back to see if we can get PXE-deployments working.

pauska

PXE enviroment is a matter of DHCP options and TFTP server(s).. from what I've understood

phsr

ah, i was trying to use PXE to get ESXi installed on a cd-drive-less server

sysadmin1138

That's right. The DHCP options supposedly tell the linux installers where to TFTP their kernels.

phsr

but i think my issues were in the DHCP

phsr

definitely in the DHCP

phsr

23:13

cause i didnt change anything on my cisco 881 (Router and DHCP)

pauska

@sysadmin1138: Got any experience with vRanger or Veeam?

sysadmin1138

:4515 Nope, haven't used either.

pauska

:4517 ok.

/me tries google some more

Josh

Hey if anyone can reccomend the new hotness router for Jeff Atwood...

chat.superuser.com/rooms/19/recommend-me-a-router

He's asking for help right now

Zoredache

23:35

Wil already recommended a WNDR3700. I really like mine. It is very reliable.

Josh

:4525 Jeff's being very silly

His requirement is, literally, the new hotness

LOL

Zoredache

Ah, I just want equipment that does it job and doesn't fail or make me have to think about it..

Jeff Atwood

4

Q: Pick an easter egg for chat.serverfault!

On chat.meta.stackoverflow, there's a little easter egg where text entered as [status-blah] will be rendered as a moderator only tag. We'd like to do something similar, but specific to serverfault -- namely, when you type a magic string, something amusing and in-joke-y for serverfault.com ...

discussion chat

Chris S

I use PC Engines Alix boards for my routers. It's a 500MHz AMD Geode LX800 with 256MB RAM and CF card to boot from. And considering you can pick them up for ~$100 on eBay I think they're quite price effective considering the plethora of features I get by running fBSD on them.

Chris S

They're not sexy in the least; heck it's a plain aluminum box, but you can't beat the flexibility of running a real OS on it.

Chris S

23:47

:4532 I thought that's what we've been talking about in the Pick a Meme room.

Josh

Apache upgrade complete

Jeff Atwood

the meta topic cross-links to that

Josh

I hope this apache update fixes:

1

Q: Apache gets "clogged" with certain requests.

I have a very odd intermittent issue. It occurs on a shared hosting server running CentOS and Apache/2.2.8, serving mostly PHP based websites at a rate of between 10 - 30 requests/sec. 3.5 GB RAM, kernel 2.6.9-67.0.7ELsmp in case that matters. What happens is, about once a week (but seemingly ra...

apache php crash load intermittent

Jeff Atwood

@ChrisS I thought about that (you can see a mini-pc pick in the amazon links with image) but does the box have enough network ports?

Josh

@Warner I'll let you know :-)

pauska

23:48

I use a Linksys-something wireless router that I have to reboot once in a while because the wireless network dies. I just don't have the time anymore to dinkle around with setting up custom servers and roms and what not.

I want a Aironet for my birthday :(

Jeff Atwood

@josh I blame PHP and bad PHP coders before I would blame Apache

Chris S

:4540 I didn't read alll your requirements; it's got up to 3 10/100 ports; up to 2 mini-PCI ports (but only 4 total, depending on the board model).

Josh

:4544 Yeah, but, it's not always PHP!

Jeff Atwood

@ChrisS gigabit is a must though (for local.. I don't want another switch box laying around)

Josh

it's often wordpress, but sometimes it's plain old HTML pages

Jeff Atwood

23:49

@Josh yes, it is always PHP's fault, along with lame PHP coders

Josh

but in this case, I upgraded both apache and PHP

:4549 I'm a PHP coder but since I'm not lame, I take no offense to your statement :-)

sysadmin1138

I need GigE too, especially for the backhaul between the router and the wireless AP and living room media collection.

Now, it's time to go home and have a start-of-quarter beer. First of probably many this week.

Jeff Atwood

all right, carry on, and remember: chat feedback please as you have it.. we're getting close to final-ish on chat so speak now or forever hold your pieces!

chat.serverfault.com/rooms/5/chat-feedback

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