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Zephyr Pellerin

00:00

Chat works exceptionally well on android

Zephyr Pellerin

That's A bonus

Zephyr Pellerin

You could almost say its been designed for android :3

Joe Philllips

02:01

Frank's Red Hot. I put that ---- on everything

Marc Gravell

06:14

:3524 cool; good to know

Marc Gravell

06:47

Server Fault Community, we need your ideas; chat.serverfault.com/rooms/31/pick-a-meme

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pauska

11:14

gblah. You'd think a company of Apples size had a system for managing volume licenses. It's a maze of google searching and reseller requests just to get quicktime pro vol licences.

Ben

13:37

anybody around for a quick question on ESXi?

Kyle Brandt

@Ben ... maybe ...

Ben

cool - i have a server on my desk with a laptop connected to it running vsphere

i want to transfer a file from laptop to a virtual machine but i can't see how :/

Kyle Brandt

Umm... just like you would if it wasn't a virtual machine?

For instance if they are both windows ... just use \\machine\c$

Ben

no that's not working

Kyle Brandt

Can then ping each other?

Ben

13:41

no but you know what, i think that's just provoked a thought!

esxi has IP 192.168.1.1 and guest VMs are 10.x

duh :/

Kyle Brandt

If it is bridged that should really matter I don' think

You just need to put the laptop in the same 10.x network

If you are using nat you will probably have to do it from the laptop

ERrr.. from the VM rather

So from the vm \\laptop\c$

Chris S

Yeah it doesn't matter if the host and VMs are on the same subnet; but your laptop and the VM have to be on the same subnet.

Ben

cheers guys, i'll give it a go

esxi isn't really my thing - it's only a one off demo, so i'm probably doing it all wrong anyway :)

Kyle Brandt

13:58

Well for networking it is really as if it the host is also a switch if you use bridged networking

Or a switch and router/nat device if you chose nat

emtunc

14:36

Hi guys, I have a question... why can't a VPN user from home use the same subnet as the location he is connecting to?

Kyle Brandt

How would the computer know where to send packets?

There might be hackish ways that it will work thouhg

I generally try to build company's networks on something unlikely to be used

i.e. 10.46.0.0/16 or something

Never 10.0.0.0 or 192.168.0/1.0/24

emtunc

when you say "how would the computer know where to send packets" - is this because the computer wouldn't be able to differentiate between its local network and the VPN connection?

Kyle Brandt

Right, think in terms of the routing table

And if you are not comfortable with routing tables, start there

emtunc

I think I'm fairly comfortable with them

emtunc

if I was, I probably wouldn't be asking this question though :o

Kyle Brandt

14:42

So directly connected routes have priority

emtunc

ok

Kyle Brandt

If you are home network is 192.168.1.0/24 you will have an entry for that

So it will just use arp / layer2

I bet there is some clever hack that allows for this thouhg

Rajat

GM!! ALL TEACHER @ CSF

emtunc

aha I think I get it

emtunc

So if someone was to connect on the same subnet... what would happen?

emtunc

14:47

The router would just ignore the VPN side?

Kyle Brandt

Not really sure, if anything the host would ignore the VPN side

emtunc

alright thanks :)

emtunc

rarp is also layer 2 right

emtunc

yes it is :)

Kyle Brandt

@emtunc: CCNA / Network+ ?

emtunc

14:51

I'm preparing for the ICND1 exam next saturday... I've gone through a lot of stuff but I'm not sure if I'm ready yet

Kyle Brandt

Never went for any certs myself

emtunc

full on experience?

Kyle Brandt

Started to study for CCNA but ended up with a Job doing fairly advanced (or at least CCNP) stuff so just never got around to it

Cisco ones are good I think though

So more power to you :-)

emtunc

So you learnt most of it on the job

Kyle Brandt

Ya, or just books/labs

Setting up some dynamips/gns labs is a great way to learn

When you set it up and doesn't work you ask yourself

"Why?"

And then get a better handle on the layers

emtunc

14:54

I agree

emtunc

I use something called cisco packet tracer

emtunc

have you used it?

Kyle Brandt

Nope, heard of it thouhg

emtunc

its a lab simulator sort of thing. I've been thinking of getting some real switches/routers from eBay but there's so many

Kyle Brandt

@emtunc: Takes most a good amount of time to get good at networking so don't feel bad. Really important skill though. For interviews networking is kind of the only "universal" thing you can quiz people on

IMNSHO

emtunc

14:56

imnsho?

Kyle Brandt

In my not-so-humble opinion

emtunc

:)

Kyle Brandt

IMHO is a little pet peeve of mine since people using it are generally not being humble

emtunc

haha yer

emtunc

so are you on a network admin sort of role

emtunc

14:58

or more sys-admin side?

Kyle Brandt

EVERYTHING

I would say I was more of a Network/Unix with some Windows experience but now I have to increase my windows skills

I also need to start to get some DBA skills

emtunc

what do you think about MS certs? useless?

Kyle Brandt

Don't really know much about them

Coding Gorilla

@emtunc IMHO (and yes I'm very humble :P) they're useless, 95% of the people I've met that have the certs couldn't tell the difference between the AD and a phone directory

emtunc

hah... I was thinking of either taking MS certs of Network +

emtunc

15:08

but I jumped straight on to the Cisco ones

emtunc

and it's very hard indeed

emtunc

well... not hard... just a lot to take in

Coding Gorilla

Cisco certs are a lot more valuable I think

Coding Gorilla

MS certs just got too watered down, everyone and their brother ran out to take the tests but really didn't understand what they were doing

emtunc

Cisco certs expire after 3 years too so you can't really blag it

emtunc

15:11

and the pass rate is way too high

Kyle Brandt

CCIE doesn't have the highest pass rate I don't think

I've heard more people than not need a couple cracks at it

pauska

From what I know: Most people fail their exams before getting it right

Kyle Brandt

yay... power down all the servers and the websites still came back up after :-)

pauska

Does anyone have any idea why my Exchange server suddenly removed a user from the global address list? The account isnt disabled, and the checkmark to hide from adress lists is not checked. The user can even recieve/send mail normally through exchange.

Er, wait, I'm using cached mode. updates OAB

User still gone from GAL. Hrm.

Thomaschaaf

Hey guys I just read, that copilot relies on VNC is there an opensource project which basically replicates their software? I'd figure their should be some..

emtunc

15:20

:3706 Is CCIE the one where you're stuck in a lab for like 8 hours?

Kyle Brandt

Ya, you have to likely fly there and stuff

emtunc

I've heard there's only one center in europe - Brussels

emtunc

I'd hate to fail that :/

l0c0b0x

@KyleBrandt how does licensing work in these cases.. I know you can download and install the app without any issues, but they say on the website "you have to provide your own IOS/IPS/PIX/ASA/JunOS" (?). So, you'd need to have smartnet for every IOS device you own and would like to test with?

Kyle Brandt

@l0c0b0x: No Comment

If you have a valid contact though you can get IOS images from the Cisco website

However the have a scheme now where you need to enable certain features which is new that I don't know about

I think as of version 15 if I am not mistaken

l0c0b0x

15:31

... you mean, if you have someone who has smartnet for the particular device OS you'd like to test with, right? (IOS/PIX/ASA)

Kyle Brandt

Don't know "smartnet" ?

pauska

SmartNet is a support agreement wich includes software updates

Kyle Brandt

Oh is that what the call TAC and general support?

l0c0b0x

also gives you the 'privilege' of downloading updates, fixes, and/or tools from the Cisco website... but only if you pay that yearly tax (If I'm mistaken, please let me know)

Chris S

:3694 I strongly disagree that MS Certs are useless; perhaps the older test were too easy, but not these days. There are also different levels of certification and tests, and blanket dismissing them as useless is just ignorant.

Izzy

15:36

Agreed

Chris S

:3729 TAC includes support for configuring the devices. Smartnet only includes updates and support for specific functionality (ie bugs).

Kyle Brandt

I used TAC a bunch and honestly they didn't help most of the time

Chris S

(As I understand it... I think Cisco purposely confuses people so they'll pay more for support they don't really need)

pauska

Gahhhhh! I've raised the event log level for the OAB generator to "Expert" now, and I can see that it generates an OAB entry for the new employee, but he's still hidden from the global adress list. I've tried manually downloading the OAB, restarting outlook a dozen times, bleeehrg

Chris S

The user isn't set to hidden in AD?

Izzy

15:45

How do you hide a user account in AD?

Or do you mean in the Exchange extensions for ADUC?

pauska

@ChrisS: nope, fresh user (and I tripple checked it)

@Izzy: The "hide from address list" extension

Chris S

:3740 Yeah, what pauska said.

Izzy

fair enough - thought you were on about vanilla ADUC, which would entail some dicking around with perms, which would be nasssssty

Chris S

I've had issues like that before; but I always just waited a day and it resolved itself.

pauska

@KyleBrandt: Unexpected maintenance?

@ChrisS: Weird, the user shows up in the global address list in OWA. Maybe I'll just start drinking beer and wait until monday.

Kyle Brandt

15:55

Aye

Rajat

16:11

Error at query 1: ERROR: syntax error at or near "ÿþ"
LINE 1: ÿþ-
^
what dose mean by this error in postgresql when i'm uploading a Master_XXX.sql file

Izzy

16:52

Wow - great planning here: serverfault.com/questions/182249/…

@sysadmin1138 You're never going to sell hex based IP addresses as "not too scary" :)

Zoredache

@Izzy, you are right of course, but the sarcastic comment probably won't be all that helpful.

Izzy

Meh

Zoredache

It probably does deserve to be closed though..

It really doesn't have anything to do with system administration...

Izzy

Sarcasm is the body's natural defence against stupid

So... the easter egg thing. Is that for within Chat? Or on the main sites?

Zoredache

easter egg?

balpha

17:00

that's for chat

Izzy

@Zoredache Sticky starred, top item

balpha

the status tags are the joke for chat.meta (although they still work here -- but we'll turn that off)

Zoredache

ah

Zephyr Pellerin

word

balpha

I posted this idea for super user, and people seem to like it:

> how about this: When the message matches /^how (?:can|do) I (.+)\?/i, a talking paper clip appears with a speech bubble saying "It looks like you're trying to \1. Do you want some help?" and a link to SU

so -- find something sysadminish!

Izzy

17:03

That's cool

How about an auto LMGTFY pop-up

matched on mod_rewrite

not that it comes up that often on chat I guess

sysadmin1138

@Izzy Oh I know, I know. But non-hex addresses can be used at first to take some of the dread off.

balpha

:3796 try to post a LMGTFY link :)

Izzy

google.com/search?q=mod_rewrite

AWWW! No fun

tinyurl.com/dnzodh

pwnd :)

ASS!

it follows the tinyurl, determines it's lmgtfy, and then changes it? bums

balpha

It's MAGIC!

Izzy

It's a buzzkill, that's what it is!

/pout

Chris S

17:35

:3809 I know where they're coming from, not allowing LMGTFY, but some of those questions seriously deserve it.

Izzy

@ChrisS Yeah, I know where they're coming from too

It's just the RTFM meme in 2010

but still, not very professional

HoLyVieR

Anyone can help me setup a svn server ? I got trouble setting up the permission for the folder

Zoredache

probably, but there are so many different ways to setup svn and different platforms. You will need to be more specific about your enviroment.

HoLyVieR

It's running under CentOS

Izzy

Have you searched SF, and if there were no results, asked a question?

HoLyVieR

17:43

I got no clue of what I am doing wrong atm :/

Zoredache

As Izzy, mentioned there are a large number of existing questions that cover subversion setup.

You haven't provided us enough background yet for us yet either.

HoLyVieR

wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Subversion

HoLyVieR

this is what I have followed so far

Izzy

We need LMSFTFY

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Zoredache

you have reviewed all the docs ?

HoLyVieR

17:46

The problem I have atm, is that when I connect with a user I get Access Forbiden

Izzy

This reminds me of someone's rant yesterday about wanting a bullet-point list of what to do, rather than just reading the docs and learning the product

Zephyr Pellerin

haha

Izzy

@HoLyVieR serverfault.com/search?q=centos+svn+forbidden

Chris S

:3837 ::sigh:: - yeah, had one of those this morning... Sometimes people really need to just hire someone who knows what they're doing instead of spending 100 hours try to figure it out.

Izzy

I do sometimes wish I was like that Dr Reid from Criminal Minds though, able to read 20,000 words a minute

sysadmin1138

17:52

That would make a lot of things easier. I wouldn't be so far behind on my Economists.

Zephyr Pellerin

Only two big names to know in Economics

Zephyr Pellerin

Friedman / Keyes

Zephyr Pellerin

:)

sysadmin1138

:P

Zephyr Pellerin

In all seriousness, alot of economics just boils down to the two schools of thoughts

sysadmin1138

18:06

Ayep, if you want to keep it abstract. The Economist is a dense magazine, and I just don't have time to give it justice.

Zephyr Pellerin

Ah, you meant the magazine

Zephyr Pellerin

Not the field of study :)

Zephyr Pellerin

But yep, you're right

Xeoncross

18:27

So anyone able to tell what language and server setup they used to get the most requests per-second?

Xeoncross

My top on a C2Q Q8200 4GB box with the highlevel PHP script was about 900 rps for a normal 10 file script with simple DB access.

Xeoncross

I've seen a couple c/c++ http servers out there and I'd love to see the speed they could through

Zoredache

have you used something like xdebug to profile your application to see what the slowest portion of the script is?

Xeoncross

Oh, ya. But even xdebug has problems with low ms benchmarks

Xeoncross

xDebug also slows your system down somewhat so you have to be careful

Xeoncross

18:32

But it's certainly good for finding slow spots

Xeoncross

Filesystem checks and queries are usually the main problems.

Zoredache

you don't run xdebug on a production system or doing a benchmark. You run it to profile. If for example you find that DB access consumes 80% of your run time you may need to improve your database..

Xeoncross

exactly

Kyle Brandt

Any httperf masters around?

sysadmin1138

I am unworthy of their attention.

Coding Gorilla

18:44

Is there something goofy going on with the editors on the SE pages (like the comments/answer editors), seems like text/code I used to type just fine is not working anymore

Zoredache

Can you be more specific? There is a known issue with Chrome with the quote/code blocks.

Kyle Brandt

@CodingGorilla: I haven't heard anything. You might try flushing the browser cache etc and see if it keeps happening

Xeoncross

Oh, code/quote blocks don't work in chrome? I use Ubuntu Chrome and XP Chrome and it works fine.

Coding Gorilla

I'm usng Firefox 3.[whatever], like I typed   and it was eaten by the page, I hade to put the ticks around it

Zoredache

Maybe they fixed it.. There where some problems with the Chrome 6

17

Q: Blockquote glitch in editor in Chrome 6 and 7

Please star this ticket rchern helpfully created to help have the bug addressed: Issue 56095: Markdown behavior since v6 branch Well, I would just bump up this question with an edit, but my meta rep isn't high enough. So I'm posting this as a new question. Here's the problem: in the ...

Xeoncross

18:56

I'm hope SO opens a chat, then again, with the amount of traffic they receive it could turn into a nightmare. Perhaps they should add a 200rep join limit.

Josh

:3878 They will be

blog.stackoverflow.com

> However, stackoverflow.com will be the last site to get chat because its immense volume presents the hardest challenge.

Xeoncross

no doubt

Josh

And chat crashed today, so I don't think they're ready for SO chat yet :-)

Xeoncross

Hey, that never stopped twitter

Josh

This is true

balpha

19:15

we're pretty sure that it wasn't chat's fault -- just sayin' :)

Josh

LOL. I was so sad when I say that chatty catty!

Josh

20:58

> (Jeff wants me to put pictures in my blog posts. This is my dog Taco. Taco has a bucket!)

LOL

That's great

sysadmin1138

Taco has a bucket.

Yaaay!

Josh

> Newton South High School instead of Newton North

I LOVE IT! I used to go to Countryside Elementary and worked for the City of Newton's ITC department

so awesome

WHo went to NNHS, Joel?

I pulled cable in Newton North

Izzy

0

Q: Automatic warranty scanner?

I'm looking for something that runs on either Windows or Linux that will automatically query devices on my network (specifically the HP and Dell servers), determine their serial number, look that serial up against the manufacturer's site to determine warranty expiration status, and have it genera...

inventory

The perfect time to use the idiom "Do you want the moon on a stick too?"

sysadmin1138

"There’s an even longer list of things that really belong on the new Programmers Stack Exchange, which appears to be degrading into fairly stupid water-cooler nonsense, and could benefit from an infusion of more meaty subjects,"

Heee.

@Izzy Yep, if we had snark-tags, [moon-on-a-stick] would be the one for that.

Izzy

heh

Zypher

21:17

@sysadmin i wish the worst-question-ever tag hasn't dissappeared

Izzy

FIRE ALARM! RUN!!!

l0c0b0x

21:41

:3926 I remember tagging a question that way once

Zypher

21:53

oh yea ... it was something like "My internet isn't working, what is wrong and when will it be back up" in broken english

Zoredache

@Zypher, speadking about the internet not working. Our internets where just down! Whats wrong, and when will it be back up? :p

@sysadmin1138, did you guys loose you Internet connection as well?

sysadmin1138

Ayep. K20 issue. Telecom just briefed us.

Ours hit about the time the blog-post hit this chatroom.

stats.wa-k20.net/k20cgp/kbacc/wwu/wwu.wa-k20.net.html

l0c0b0x

22:16

:3931 You have good memory my friend, lol

sysadmin1138

22:30

I hate blackboard, yes I do.

Zypher

@l0c0b0x only occationally ... stuff like that sticks for no good reason :)

Jeff Leyser

Nice profile pic, Zypher. I think I've worked in that Data Center.

Zypher

hahah

short story we had to swap in about 30U worth of equipment into 2 full racks w/o downtime

Jeff Leyser

How many in "we"?

Zypher

so all wires got run out to a crash cart in the middle of the DC isle that the servers were sitting on

me and my boss at the time :)

Jeff Leyser

22:38

Yeesh. Hard work

Zypher

hell yea

about 2 weeks of 15 hour days (including the setup of the vmware enviroment and testing)

Jeff Leyser

Of course, you got so much overtime pay + comp time it was worth it, I'm sure. :/

Zypher

lol

good one

ahh well ... i got em back ... gave my two weeks notice last tuesday ... they had been promising a backup for me for 8 months and it still hadn't happened

Jeff Leyser

Got something else lined up?

Zypher

yes i do ... very sweet gig

Jeff Leyser

22:42

nice

Zypher

ohh yea ... kinda wish i was starting this monday instead of next ... i'm ready for the new challenges :)

Warner

Cool company?

Zypher

Very cool, can't say who it is till I start though - personal superstition

Warner

Right on. Congratulations on the opportunity.

Zypher

thanks man :) unfortunatly this does mean i won't be out in westbelt anytime soon :)

Warner

22:54

Oh shoot, that's right.. TP.

I bet you're ecstatic. ;)

Zypher

LOL oh hell yea

Warner

Definitely a shame in that regard, I was looking forward to meeting you. Nevertheless, I'm certain that the opportunity will present itself another time in the future.

Zypher

oh yea ... i do still go out that way a couple of times a year, one of my close friends lives in akron ... i just can't get there free anymore

Zypher

23:09

Phillies gametime ... have a good weekend all

Zoredache

23:21

Hrm.... how do I debug a sftp connection that is intermittently dieing... Does anyone know if the newest version of wireshark, has the ability to decode sftp assuming I can get a hold of the keys on all sides?

older (2007-8) maillists seems to indicate that it is not supported...

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