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Standalone Sysadmin: Monitoring (old) Zimbra

posted on September 07, 2014 by Matt Simmons

It's September, and in universities, that means tons of new people. New staff, new faculty, new students. Lots and lots of new people. Here at The College of Computer and Information Science at Northeastern University, we've got a banner crop of incoming CS students. So many, in fact, that we bumped up against one of […]

TRiG

Michael Hampton

@TRiG You're about four hours late.

TRiG

@MichaelHampton So I'm not the only person here who mooches about on imgur when I should be sleeping?

Michael Hampton

@TRiG Or reddit.

Bob

02:25

@TRiG Huh. White.

ewwhite

02:57

So my old boss just tried to ask a question on Server Fault...

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Q: Hardware to setup 10 Gbps test network

I'm a developer ( not a sys/network admin ) and I want to setup a simple 10 Gbps two node network at home to do some testing. Can someone point me to the specific hardware I need to buy? I need two 10 Gbps NICs, two sfp+ modules and fiber to connect them. Cost is an issue ( trying to keep th...

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Oh, well, why didn't he say he was your old boss! I would have totally let him go shopping here!

ewwhite

Wealthy CTO of a financial trading firm...

Michael Hampton

I'd have been much less likely to close "HOW IS 10GBPS NETWORK FORMED"

ewwhite

It's totally a shopping question.

Michael Hampton

And besides, he didn't say he was a CTO. He said he was a developer. Which, judging by his SO profile, appears to be true.

We are not personal shoppers!

ewwhite

03:04

He is a trading dev. Who owns a firm.

But he really should have asked me privately.

Michael Hampton

And besides, he already knows what he needs. Just call up CDW or whoever and get some quotes.

ewwhite

His firm always went the cheap route.

No hp Dell

Michael Hampton

In that case, google.com/shopping

ewwhite

Supermicro.

Michael Hampton

I'm not even sure newegg sells half the stuff he needs, and if they do, it probably won't be as cheap as he could get it.

ewwhite

03:08

Ah, fuck it. I ordered some shit. I'll just figure it out the hard way. I've got nothing but time on my hands anyway. Maybe you should start up a site that answers those kinds of hardware questions.

That is fine. But where can I go to ask this question? I would love to figure it out myself and I'm sure I could but I just don't care and a bunch of people out there could give me a great answer right off the top of their heads.

Michael Hampton

Yeah, some site needs to do it. I don't know if SF is the place where it should be done, though.

ewwhite

This 10 Gbps stuff isn't exactly commodity stuff, it isn't like buy anything and it all works like with 1 Gbps. It isn't even as easy as figuring out what RAM will work with a given motherboard and most motherboards actually have tested and approved RAM that you can go find.

I'm not looking to become a 10 Gbps expert, or test different NICs or SFP or fiber, I just want a simple setup that will definitely work.

Michael Hampton

I learned enough to know what to buy for a small 10Gbps test network by reading Wikipedia...

Then I found out how much it cost, and said FUCK THAT

ewwhite

I need backup software... And would love opinions. But can't ask on SF.

Michael Hampton

I've been thinking for a while that the whole shopping question ban should be revisited. The question is, how do you do that without becoming a massive spam magnet or having a question with 44 completely worthless answers that refer to dead projects?

ewwhite

03:15

I don't know. Maybe a discourse forum?

Michael Hampton

Also, the shopping ban was designed for SU and then applied to SF later

@ewwhite The hardest part of putting up a forum is bootstrapping it, getting the initial content generated, so you can begin drawing people in.

ewwhite

True. But I think it's possible to have a pro forum... Maybe? Or maybe I just have Discourse on my mind ;)

Shhh @mikeyb

Michael Hampton

I could have a Discourse forum up tonight. But I don't have any spare domain names, and I don't have any content...

ewwhite

:(

Michael Hampton

Maybe I could just scrape every SF question that gets closed for being a shopping question, and hope somebody comes along to answer them?

ewwhite

03:31

It's an option.

But shopping is a part of Sysadmining.

Journeyman Geek

03:42

lol

@ewwhite: there's software recs I guess

ewwhite

That's a weird site.

Journeyman Geek

It is, entirely

Also, I find parts of the shopping ban (and the eventual community interpretation of it) wierd

I end run it with "How do I pick _____" questions sometimes

ewwhite

03:59

So do you WANT shopping questions to be allowed and just judged on their merit?

Journeyman Geek

@ewwhite: kinda sorta

"What network card should I buy?" BAD

"How do I select a network card?" might work if its a good question

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Q: What do i look for while buying a mouse?

I'm doing a bit of research about mice, with the view of getting a new one. There's quite a few things that are obvious (for example, i wouldn't get a ball mouse) but there's a few things that baffle me. I notice most mice seem to be graded by DPI (though wikipedia says cpi is more accurate) an...

mouse hid

Something like this is essentially a shopping question, but until we all move to touch, or minority report style floating interfaces, is still relevant.

Michael Hampton

04:24

You never know when your stupid mistakes will help someone else...

Thanks for this. Simple solution to something I was way overthinking. — mattcaffeine 47 secs ago

I think that was my first or second post ever on SF.

Falcon Momot

05:24

hmm, today is x.509 day again for me apparently

I don't see "what do I look for in a thing" as a shopping question at all

certainly "what does this item in some specs mean and what does that thing help" is not a shopping question

Iain

G'day

Iain

05:42

I don't see shopping questions making SF better in any way. It's just be more ways for lazy people to pipe shit over us

Michael Hampton

So I've been getting swap usage alarms all weekend because some FUCKING STUPID JAVA APP decided to eat all the RAM it could get hold of and NOT FUCKING LET GO OF IT EVER. Whoever said Java has garbage collection is clearly delusional. The only way to garbage collect Java is with rm -rf.

5

Iain

:(

Falcon Momot

yup

Michael Hampton

Worse, the FUCKING STUPID JAVA APP is the backup agent!

Falcon Momot

ha

people need to stop teaching java

java schools are harmful

Michael Hampton

05:47

I need to buy more ammo.

Falcon Momot

someone justified writing a new project in java to me the other day: "it was decided to write it in java so we could more easily hire people to maintain it"

Iain

@FalconMomot How did you get on with getting away from that java project btw ?

Falcon Momot

lol, and when I told him I was on that team and didn't have any part in the decision, he told me that as my senior he gets to make decisions without talking to me. which is totally not how my company works.

@Iain I've had very little success, but some other problems might be solved soon, and if they are I might be able to put up with it for a little bit longer until it becomes someone else's problem

I think my objection to it being in java and my offer to rewrite it in another language being on the record will shield me from any consequences when it blows up.

Iain

Sounds like a plan

Falcon Momot

and I've managed to make the other parts of the system not care when it blows up, so things will be alright and the product will still be usable.

just... java is unsuitable for any purpose.

man, I talked about some architecture, and someone was like "stop thinking the C++ way this is java"

Journeyman Geek

05:51

0_0

Falcon Momot

most people facepalmed

Michael Hampton

DON'T FUCKING REPEAT YOURSELF YOU IDIOT JAVA DEVELOPER!

Falcon Momot

+9999999999999999999

I am going to beat this person over the head with DRY at my next possible opportunity

in fact next time I see him I'm going to ask "are you familiar with the development principle DRY?"

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: Thats the worst justification for a language ever.

Falcon Momot

@JourneymanGeek for bad code ever, you mean

Journeyman Geek

05:53

Especially in your line of work

Iain

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Hvordan designere som Stella McCartney par gode stil og gjør godt Mens mest kreative folk reiser for inspirasjon, tilbakebetale få virkelig gjelden til sine utenlandske musene. Følgende nyskapende designere, underviser enten ved å støtte disenfranchised håndverkere eller ansette bærekraftig beit...

business international

kill

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: You can write bad code in any language

Falcon Momot

@JourneymanGeek yup, and you can write decent code in almost all languages

Journeyman Geek

precisely

Michael Hampton

Duplicate code was known bad decades before DRY became a meme.

Falcon Momot

05:54

it's even possible to write decent java code, kind of... it just runs poorly

@MichaelHampton yeah it's possibly the most major principle of software development

Journeyman Geek

And you should hire people who write your preferred languages, not write code to fit the masses.

Falcon Momot

but if you ask this dude, the most important principle is object-orientation and encapsulation

Journeyman Geek

"Lets use lead pipe for this building. Its easier to find people who can fit it!"

Falcon Momot

yup

pretty much

Michael Hampton

Yeah, lead pipe with lots of asbestos!

Falcon Momot

05:55

he complained that it couldn't be done in python because there are no "real" threads, and because of the GIL (ok), and couldn't be done in C++ because apparently we would never finish it

Michael Hampton

What? Did he think you couldn't do object orientation and encapsulation in C++?

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: and mercury amalgum to fit it together.

Falcon Momot

no, he thought that implementing the component would have been too difficult to do quickly in C++

and it was "software is buggy when written in any language and we would be chasing different bugs had we chosen another language"

Journeyman Geek

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Falcon Momot

I am untellably angry at this person still

who has never apologized for constantly embarrassing me in public, harassing me, and pretending to be my boss

he did at least acknowledge that the friction on the team isn't entirely my fault, which is progress.

but then he told me I act like a "grand arbiter of all things"

Michael Hampton

05:59

Wasn't that what you were hired to be?

Falcon Momot

I don't think anyone is supposed to be that; I'm certainly not in charge of the project. the project manager is, and he intends technical decisions be made by consensus.

Michael Hampton

Rather than, say, technical merit?

Falcon Momot

I just happen to have solid reasons behind my methods, and tend to just do things that are clearly right and can have no particular controversy.

well yes, the point of consensus decision making on a team with strong technical skills is that you get decisions by technical merit

the trouble with merit is figuring out who decides what has merit

Michael Hampton

That only works if you don't have a bloody IDIOT gumming up the works.

Falcon Momot

yeah...

and I can't call him an idiot

Michael Hampton

06:01

And... that's what a project manager was supposed to do, I thought?

Falcon Momot

even though he thinks he knows all the things and in reality has a very narrow focus

no functional programming; little C++; mostly all java, and some experience in analysis of certain things.

Michael Hampton

Bring me in as a consultant and I'll charge your company an insane amount of money to call him an idiot.

Falcon Momot

almost no math.

lol, everyone knows it already, but can't say it

he's actually really well-qualified and skilled as a security auditor

he just has no clue when it comes to developing enterprise software.

and/or he thinks it's OK and inevitable for it to be clunky.

Michael Hampton

Then why is he doing it?

Falcon Momot

which really is only true if you live in java-land.

hmm, I don't know why.

Iain

06:04

@FalconMomot it has to be - it's enterprise !

Falcon Momot

@Iain yeah, obviously.

I used to work for this company that publishes an IAM application written in C++ for IIS

it was solid

Michael Hampton

And so now we have had a close look at how enterprise software ends up so crappy.

Falcon Momot

yup!

Journeyman Geek

;p

Michael Hampton

I suggest you redefine consensus to exclude anything that comes out of his mouth.

Falcon Momot

06:06

if I had one wish, I would use it to convince him that seniority is the least important qualification a technical person can have, probably.

if I had two I'd use the second one to make java disappear forever.

Michael Hampton

I think you've got those backwards. Use the first wish to make Java disappear forever. Save the second wish for something better, and just put a knife in his chest.

Falcon Momot

:)

Journeyman Geek

06:19

If I had one wish, I'd wish for five times as many wishes (I'm not greedy ;p)

Iain

would this be better off on webapps serverfault.com/questions/626761/… ?

Journeyman Geek

not really

I think webapps dosen't really do self hosted

Michael Hampton

No, webapps only does webapps that other people host

Iain

ah

Michael Hampton

And if you want to close that one, you can close the other 117 as well

Iain

06:25

@MichaelHampton a quick glance suggests it's a sewer

Michael Hampton

Later....I'm going to bed, finally

And hopefully my phone doesn't blow up with more swap alarms

Falcon Momot

hmm'

I woke up recently from a long nap

on the other hand, I have flying school tomorrow at 1230h

MichelZ

good morning

Falcon Momot

06:41

ugh, I just hit the ec2 request limit in the panel while removing litter (detached volumes)

Jenny D

07:10

morning

Mathias R. Jessen

11:16

@DennisKaarsemaker 3 days till departure, starting to get nervous :D

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MathiasR.Jessen call me when you touch down and beers are on me :)

Mathias R. Jessen

@DennisKaarsemaker We're arriving in AMS late wednesday, but thursday I'll definitely hold you up on it ;)

Basil

12:37

not sure if repost

New to me!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Basil repost

but still good :)

Basil

Made my wife laugh

Dennis Kaarsemaker

►

Basil

she doesn't code, but knows rammstein

ewwhite

13:28

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Q: What is a good new server setup

Currently we have a server with several functions: domain controller, SQL server, WSUS server, file server, print server, exchange server, backup exec And in addition we still have an old server with a custom program for timekeeping, and then another one as an antispam server. For the new setup...

raid virtual-machines architecture passthrough

Hennes

13:49

Things you do while waiting for a compile: Harvest some fruit.

Journeyman Geek

14:02

'Are you stealing those LCDs?' 'Yeah, but I'm doing it while my code compiles.'

MichelZ

unfortunately

computers get faster

:(

Michael Hampton

And we get asked to set up server farms to run compile jobs on.

MichelZ

yep

faker

it's fine, today we say "I'm waiting for vagrant up to finish!"

MichelZ

and there's the evil cloud

Journeyman Geek

14:04

@MichelZ: Code gets longer!

Michael Hampton

And praying VirtualBox doesn't take a huge shit all over the project.

Journeyman Geek

(and eh. I've compiled stuff on my raspi. Its paaaainfullll)

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek I've compiled stuff on an emulated ARM on my desktop. THAT is painful.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: Never more ;p

@MichaelHampton: I tried that

never quite got it working

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek I just followed the nice simple directions...mostly.

Journeyman Geek

14:07

@MichaelHampton: I did too. I'm not blaming the instructins, but needing to cross compile is annoying.

faker

I tried compiling the kernel on a raspberrypi to include IPv6 support... Before it finished they released one which included it :D

Journeyman Geek

XD

I'm probably shifting over the things my raspi used to do to my brix.

Hennes

Where did you compile it on? USB connected drive? Or on the SD card?

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek It takes about 3 minutes to boot

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes: Probably SD card

faker

14:08

@Hennes SD card

Michael Hampton

Oh wait, no, less than two minutes!

Journeyman Geek

(lets see, the fact that I need a hub for anything that even starts to be power hungry, somewhat less packages ....)

Michael Hampton

Journeyman Geek

funny thing is my current torrent setup should be faster, but I can't be arsed to set it up

(rtorrent and rutorrent)

Hennes

Ah. I got the 2B rPi. 4 USB ports

All of them and the NIC are still connected to the same single USB bus on the SOC. So no performance gain expected by not needing a hub

Journeyman Geek

14:12

@Hennes: it isn't the number of ports, its the fact that it reboots whenever you plug in anything remotely power hungry

Hennes

Brown out ?

Suposedly fixed in 2B

Journeyman Geek

ya

;p

Hennes

However I never plugged in anything bar mouse, keyboard and HDMI to DVI cable

(and the microSD card to boot from. 32GiB)

Journeyman Geek

(my brix has three ports, one of which is USB 3)

my raspi is currently a ~~backup box~~ vaguely NAS-like entity

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek Ha. I build Bitcoin on that VM. I think it's the only ARM build of the Bitcoin Core code anywhere.

Journeyman Geek

14:14

0_0

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek (And it takes 12 hours instead of 45 minutes.)

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Michael Hampton

Better have a lot of storage on your RPi if you want to run it though, the full blockchain is massive :)

MichelZ

@MichaelHampton how many years do you calculate on a coin? :)

Michael Hampton

@MichelZ You don't mine bitcoins with a RPi!

MichelZ

14:21

so what do you do on it then with BTC?

Journeyman Geek

I suppose you use it to store, send and receive BTC?

Michael Hampton

@MichelZ You can either store your money, or send and receive money, or be a relay, or whatever

MichelZ

ah

RPi wallet

Michael Hampton

Yeah

And since it's a full node you can do anything a full node can do, like use it for the backend of a web app or mining pool

I suspect it would be too slow for running a pool though

I personally wouldn't ever run a full node on a little ARM device, but somebody asked me to build it, so I did

MichelZ

and I guess mining without ASIC's is pointless

Michael Hampton

14:24

@MichelZ Yeah, today it is

MichelZ

apart from when power is free

Michael Hampton

Yeah, but even then you won't be making enough to pay for lunch!

MichelZ

true

Michael Hampton

If you get your miner onto a 100 000 node botnet, then maybe you'll make a few bucks.

But you'll also make headlines.

MichelZ

at least your famous

Michael Hampton

14:31

@MichelZ Yeah, you're famous to Interpol!

MichelZ

better that kind of famous than paris hilton or kim kardashian-famous

ewwhite

14:59

Testing Veeam file-level restore...

this is getting interesting

MichelZ

@ewwhite what have you done yet with it? what's your feeling?

ewwhite

I've run a full set of backups of my client's single-host ESXi environment... I was amazed at the dedup and compression ratios.

the domain controller and a couple of Linux VMs took 8 minutes

MichelZ

@ewwhite with any storage?

ewwhite

I just did a full backup in 55 minutes, including all of the VMs in the environment

I'm using local storage on ESXi to house the backups..

and am trying to determine what my be cold/offline storage should be

MichelZ

but you can house it on UNC path's, I guess?

like another NAS device

ewwhite

15:02

another server? an appliance? USB? NFS/CIFS share.

the file level restore was unexpected...

MichelZ

unexpected good or bad?

ewwhite

it said, "I'm going to spin-up a File Level Restore virtual machine in 20 seconds... once booted, you'll be able to browse the filesystem of the VM you wish to restore"

MichelZ

looks nice

Matthew Ife

Oh, not really file level from a backup perspective then.

MichelZ

I think you need enterprise for that, tough?

@MatthewIfe if it's able to extract single files... who cares :)

ewwhite

15:05

For Windows VMs, it was able to just pull files directly

Matthew Ife

I dont care. But I do file leve backups and they are woefully slow.

I wanted to know the secret behind these amazingly fast backups.

ewwhite

but it had an option for "other Operating SYstems"

yeah, image based block-level backups

MichelZ

@MatthewIfe block level

ewwhite

that leverage VMware's changed-block-tracking (CBT) API

MichelZ

do you need change tracking enabled?

ewwhite

15:06

yep

MichelZ

yeah

ewwhite

or it just takes care of it

I didn't have to explicitly enable anything

so here's the dilemma... this software ONLY backs up virtual machines

and while you can choose any destination, it seems like having an offsite or offline option is a bit difficult

D2D2?

MichelZ

there is a cloud backup edition :)

ewwhite

right... that's true

TO THE CLOUD!

MichelZ

:)

ewwhite

15:09

I'll investigate it

MichelZ

as long as you have a VPN with UNC/NFS access, it should work

or what's your understanding of offsite backup?

tapes?

Matthew Ife

I would (personally) define 'offsite' to mean. 1. Data is stored somewhere not on the same site. And ideally 2. Data is stored on portable media.

MichelZ

you would what?

tapes?

ewwhite

I would like tape, to be honest

Matthew Ife

I was pwned by a wild newline. Dont rush me!

MichelZ

15:11

:)

ewwhite

and Veeam supports tape... but It would need to be attached via FC/SAS/SCSI to a physical backup server

which then means I'd need a dedicated server to handle backups...

MichelZ

:(

ewwhite

versus a virtual machine

MichelZ

how do you get back

Matthew Ife

Trouble with tapes is how often you rotate them and they genuinely require somebody there to do tape rotations (depending on their value anyhow).

MichelZ

15:12

when your "backup vm" is gone?

Matthew Ife

We use to have to store some of our tapes in tamper proof tape cases, ultimately stored in a vault somehwere.

MichelZ

tape sucks

but it's cheap

Matthew Ife

Also, when you go portable media you need a means to track each tape in case of recovery. So that involves usually some other sort of backup software to keep some form of metadata tracking on it all.

Backups in the more 'true offsite' case are a huge freaking black hole of a sysadmins time.

MichelZ

@ewwhite

starwindsoftware.com/download-starwind-tape-redirector

could be of interest

ah damn, it's a windows software for use on the hyper-v host

kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/…

ewwhite

I'll ask a backup question on SF :)

MichelZ

15:18

seems that vmware supports tape drives through partners though

"partner supported"

ewwhite

15:39

Back at the Toronto Film Festival. I'll write up a backup question later.

Iain

@ewwhite In other news there was a bicycle race in Liverpool. After 5 minutes 4 blokes were off the front. After 2h05m the 4 became 3 and another bloke tried to catch them up. 10 minutes later it was all over. This is interesting how?

My review of stage 1 of the Tour of Britain

ewwhite

16:01

Road racing is over.

Btw. Canadians are sooooo nice!

I'm loving the little cultural differences.

Iain

@ewwhite It seems alive and well here

Michael Hampton

Don't believe it. They are only acting nice to your face while they plot how best to feed you to the nearest bear and get away with it.

Blame Canada!

ewwhite

It's interesting to see how a country without a culture of slavery treats people like me.

Michael Hampton

What are the little differences?

ewwhite

People dress nicer. Less crime. I don't get followed in stores.

People smile

I'm not tarted like a criminal.

Treated :)

Michael Hampton

16:11

I wouldn't say those are "little" differences.

MichelZ

yes, the land of the free....

Michael Hampton

Free my ass.

MichelZ

I don't know if your ass is free or occupied

But @Wesley might know

Iain

16:49

that's a new username style ? facebook-100002861153108

Michael Hampton

@Iain You weren't supposed to see that!

Seriously though, it's a bug. Probably a meta post on it already.

Iain

@MichaelHampton it's still there

Michael Hampton

I'll ask around

Iain

@MichaelHampton here serverfault.com/a/626843/9517

Michael Hampton

@Iain Hah, found him already

It's a ghost town in TL today and I couldn't find anything relevant on mSE

Iain

16:58

@MichaelHampton No I went looking too

Michael Hampton

I'm pretty sure I saw one of those before, though.

Iain

@MichaelHampton That's he first I've seen

Michael Hampton

serverfault.com/…

I suspect they're people who signed in with Facebook but some of their data didn't transfer across. Like their name.

Iain

seems like a reasonable idea

Michael Hampton

17:44

I have those on occasion.

ewwhite

Good Chris Rock movie premiere here.

faker

18:23

0

Q: Can I ask about the efficiency of BIOS vs. Non Bios server boards?

Can I ask about speed efficiency of server boards in terms of having a BIOS or not? Or this question relates to the Super User category?

discussion

There are mainboards without a BIOS?!

Michael Hampton

Hell, server boards generally have a lot MORE stuff going on in the BIOS than desktop boards...

Hennes

If you consider default firmware (e.g. on Suns) not a BIOS, then yeah.

Or modern EUFI stuff.

Michael Hampton

Well, yeah, I misspoke. All the firmware.

faker

maybe if you brick it, it technically doesn't have one anymore

ewwhite

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Q: Can I use a server to employ link aggregation between 2 unmanaged switches

From everything I read, If I wish to use link aggregation between 2 switches, they need to be managed switches--specifically, they need to support 802.3d spec. Now that I fully understand the difference between a network bridge and a bond, can I use one of my servers as a interconnect between tw...

bridge bonding

That's stupid, right?

Matthew Ife

18:34

Doesn't using 802.3ad actually require all endpoints to know whats going on?

ewwhite

Yes it does.

So he'd need LACP on one switch anyway.

JohnMerlino

anyone here familiar with ipsec and openswan?

ewwhite

Nope

Matthew Ife

I'm familiar with ipsec and strongswan.

JohnMerlino

I asked a question on the main site regarding ipsec and openswan.

ewwhite

18:43

I understand it makes sense. That being said, I am trying to make due with the resources I have at hand. Unfortunately, It is not within my grasp to purchase an extra set of unmanaged switches. If I was in charge of a budget, than use I would go at it. However, this is for my home lan, and I have several servers doing different tasks. I know it is tacky, but what I want to know is if it is going to create any networking problems. I tried connected 2 links between the switches already, and experienced firsthand my lan being flooded with broadcasts. — slugman 4 mins ago

Michael Hampton

HOME USER GTFO

Iain

@ewwhite strictly speaking, as it's a home lan, he is in charge of the budget

Hennes

Heh

Or his ~~wife~~ partner is

d

ewwhite

Oooh, true

Who would think of using a server as a Switch?

Hennes

Would this look better in black or in red?

(Desktop, work laptop and servers at home)

Not in the slightest inspire by the recent question or by L"ack racks. :)

Michael Hampton

18:50

No, and it doesn't happen to be sitting on one of those Lack racks either...

Hennes

Soemtimes I wonder how cheap it is the make these lack tables.

I bought the one in the picture for Eur 10. And a year after that the prices halfed

Michael Hampton

They ought to just make them with the holes already in the legs.

Hennes

That is the price to the consumer, not the price for IKEA to make them and to ship them

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Q: Which one loads a Linux distribution faster, Bios or UEFI-based server boards?

I want to assemble my own cluster of 4 servers, using OSCore. As both Bios and UEFI, load the operating system on a machine after boot, I want to know which one loads an operating faster?

bios uefi

Michael Hampton

@Hennes I'll give you the first close vote.

Hennes

I wonder who the F** gives a <censored> about how fast a server board loads.
I'll grant you that it might be important to a netbook, or for a tablet.
But for a server ?

Michael Hampton

18:57

Too fucking broad, asshole

When RHEL7 gets more widely used, I expect the grumbling about server boot times to increase somewhat. But still, since you really don't boot all the time, not that much.

Hennes

Aye.

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