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17:01
Well, that first one's for tablets, but ...this one says it works with the S3 and people have it working with the note too
17:39
@NathanC Aren't most (android) phones limited to a micro-USB B female connector?
ugh with no chat participation how am I supposed to ask for monitoring software suggestions?
I have a micro USB and an HDMI out
@84104 Sorta. There's a connector called MHL that's exactly like a micro-USB, but in reality it doubles as a video out port as well as with this cable
@Jacob Anything but Nagios. Or anything based on Nagios.
@MichaelHampton Like Zabbix?
17:44
@Jacob That's what I use.
But, said connector also provides extra power for the actual connector because it outputs way less power than an HDMI port does.
@MichaelHampton I'm not sure that was the answer {boss} is looking for...
@Jacob @MarkHenderson uses it too ...
@Jacob I too use Nagios...
More like NAGios...
@MichaelHampton Yeah it looks like the best FOSS option, but I was hoping for shiny
17:46
@Jacob It's supposed to be monitoring, not impressing management. That's what PowerPoint is for.
It is themable, though, if you can rope in a web developer...
@MichaelHampton I know.... Nah, Management is technical here though so I'm good.
I recall not being able to get it to work last time I tried to use it though...
@Jacob So they expect you to do presentations with LibreOffice Impress, then?
@Jacob Nagios is pretty uh...easy to set up. It's just a lot of config files in a hurry.
@MichaelHampton Naw, I work where Falcon works.
observium is nice for shiny, but not good on monitoring.
might deploy a combination.
@MichaelHampton Do you use the Agent?(with Zabbix)
@Jacob Strange. You can throw Zabbix up on a server, put an agent on a computer and point it at the server, and be monitoring basic stuff before the boss has gotten back to his office.
@Jacob Yes, I use both the agent and SNMP
17:49
@MichaelHampton What for?
@Jacob The SNMP disks template gives better reporting than the agent for disk usage
@MichaelHampton Interesting.
On another note, driving from Maine to Connecticut this weekend and not looking forward to the horrors of the York toll booth (basically the one before the state line that all the tourists have to go through). Need to find a route around it ><
@MichaelHampton I ugh can't deploy VMs.
@Jacob Are you still being orientated?
17:51
@MichaelHampton No, but I can't explain that over public channels...
You don't have a lab or anything?
@MichaelHampton Yeah... no, it's kind of bad. That's why I'm here
@Jacob If you're willing to pay, New Relic is shiny and @ewwhite uses it a lot
@NathanC no SaaS
Oh. :[
17:57
@NathanC There are no routes around it, at least none that wouldn't be longer than just going through the snarl.
Why do you think the tollbooth is there to begin with?
@Jacob Well, in theory, Zabbix will work great. In reality, you'll have to install it on something first.
hiyas
@MichaelHampton Meh. I'd rather spend the extra ~20 minutes on back roads then spend a half hour or more crawling through a toll booth
And it's not even that there's not enough lanes ...they go from 8 booth lanes to 3 highway lanes, so merging is chaotic and not even an ezpass helps :(
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Q: Audio Based server/activity monitoring tool?

malvimI remember seeing, maybe a couple of years ago, a web-based server activity monitoring tool that played a stream of sounds based on what was happening to servers or code. Commits, successful builds, I think server load as well... The idea, IIRC, was to have this constant audio stream on the back...

@NathanC I hear they want to fix that tollbooth, but people are actually protesting against it
anyone have an answer for this? I wanna play with it!
:p
18:09
@MichaelHampton Yep. The turnpike authority already bought land that could be the potential new location for it, but they're getting pushback from residents around there
@NathanC Well, there's Route 1...
Oh, and wait until you get to the tollbooth in NH.
@MichaelHampton Route 1 is actually worse than the turnpike because all the tourist attractions are along that road
@NathanC In that case it's a LONG detour over to route 4
Yep...I'm pretty much destined to be stuck in traffic either way, lol
I don't think you want to get down in the half-paved and dirt roads...
18:11
@MichaelHampton Funnily enough, some of the dirt roads are in better shape than the paved ones..
That is, until winter hits and it's frost heave season
@NathanC Heh. I wouldn't be too surprised. Anyway, bring your E-Z pass.
Yep, definitely never leave home without mine. :P
@MichaelHampton I still have mine.
Not sure what to do with it.
@NathanC Have you been through NH lately? They completely redid the tollbooth not too long ago
@MichaelHampton Yes, that open road booth is glorious
I did this trip a couple months ago so I saw that one
18:15
@MichaelHampton I already miss the east coast tolling system. The west coast has separate ones for each state.
That and driving through NJ is actually kind of fun...
Though I did pass a Ferrari 458 yesterday.
@Jacob There was a federal regulation passed recently that they all have to start interoperating sometime in the next few years. So your E-Zpass might start working again.
@MichaelHampton Naw, I'm going to mail it back. This vehicle will never see the east coast again.
Ironic since it will remain registered to Virginia.
@Jacob If you plan on any road trips to Canada, I'd change the registration, or you'll get a lot of grief from the border patrol
@MichaelHampton Why?
I can't it's not mine.
@Jacob Because a Virginia registered car crossing at Washington is highly unusual.
18:19
@MichaelHampton My dad owns the truck not me. They can verify what ever they want.
Good enough. I'm not saying you won't get in. I'm just saying it might be a hassle.
@MichaelHampton I have a legitimate story and the information to back it up.
@MichaelHampton I saw a truck from Texas the other day...and a car with Alberta plates
I might get them to transfer it to WA, but they'd have to fly out here.
@NathanC The border patrol here hassled some guy from Pennsylvania who crossed over into NH from Quebec. They must have been really bored that day.
That one's on YouTube
18:21
@Jacob Well, how long until the registration expires? I'd imagine expiration would be a bad time to figure out how to change it over
Then again, I see people all the time with expired plates (including 2013) still driving around, so it must not be enforced all that much
@NathanC December 2015, besides they can still renew the reg
@NathanC Here, the state police have spotters at the toll plazas looking for expired registrations and inspection stickers
@MichaelHampton No automated plate recognition?
@Jacob Nope, it's illegal here
@MichaelHampton Heh, nice. If that happened around here there would be an uproar about the state being "unfair".
Well, it's unfair to the state to not pay your excise tax each year, jackass. -_-
18:26
@MichaelHampton O RLY? that sounds nice.
$107 I could've spent elsewhere :(
@Jacob Yeah. The cops keep asking for it and the legislators keep saying no.
@MichaelHampton I saw a sign for a speed camera on a road the other day. I was sad, but they can't prove it was me driving so they issue it as a parking citation.
@Jacob We don't have those either. Nor red light cameras.
@MichaelHampton I know I know. I need to be in NH, but I was offered the job in Seattle.
18:30
We do have moose, though.
And the speed limit just got raised to 70 last year.
@MichaelHampton Only? It's been 70 in VA for years, but I5 is only 60 :(
@Jacob Yeah, and mostly north of Concord. Because tourists can't drive, or something.
70mph on all freeways here. =]
Next round I think we'll push for an extra 10mph across the board.
I kind of did like NJs policy of go as fast as you want policy.
18:36
New Relic.
Oh, no SaaS.
Old Relic.
Here it comes...
A relic is, by definition, old.
So I guess that makes them the New Old Thing.
I'm on my laptop in my car by the side of the highway
@MichaelHampton Yeah, 70 most of the time here except for the Greater Portland stretch which is 60...and the stretch I happen to use on a daily basis
People go >75 on it anyway
18:38
Of course they do. Most of the speed limits are absurd.
Even through work zones...
Now that could be hazardous to one's wallet.
@NathanC Portland?
Then some take work zones to the opposite extreme and go 35
@Jacob yeah (maine, not the western ones!)
@NathanC Those will be the people who got a work zone ticket before.
18:39
@NathanC I was about to say..
Long drive
@MichaelHampton Hah. There's a lot of people who ignore the little lane change signs (the ones saying the lines are moving over a bit) so they're driving in the middle of both lanes
I almost rear-ended someone twice because they don't pay attention -_-
yay ABS!
Of course, after tourist/construction season is over, it'll be winter with people who can't drive in the snow...so it doesn't get much better lol
Dan
Dan
@NathanC Surely if you almost drive into someone it's you who is too close/not paying attention ;)
@Dan Well, sometimes...but not when they're drifting into my lane
18:42
That moron is going to get someone killed.
I suspect that's what happened to @NathanC though
@MichaelHampton An 18-wheeler almost ran me down the other day...I was in the left lane, he was in the right. The truck drifts towards the left lane and I'm right next to him. If someone was behind me I would've caused an accident with how quickly I nope'd out of there with my brakes
@NathanC I would've accelerated
@NathanC Oops! You didn't get into his blind spot, did you?
@MichaelHampton Nope. I was in his clear view since I could clearly see his mirrors
@NathanC That's not true. Could you see him?
18:47
@Jacob Yes. He wasn't even supposed to change lanes at that point, lol
@NathanC You expect people to follow road law?
Of course I can't find the sign I'm referencing even though they're quite common
@Jacob When they're driving an 18-wheeler that's capable of crushing cars like tin cans, yes.
@NathanC Mistake...
T-110-4-G that sign is the one I'm talking about
@NathanC different pavement grade?
18:51
@Jacob The wiggly arrow
Lane shift
oh
looking at wrong place in chart
still
@MichaelHampton I could not put into words what that sign meant...thank you, lol
you expect people to follow the rules?
I expect people not to kill or maim each other without good cause.
18:53
@NathanC Somewhere between 2030 and 2050 car insurance rates will be so high for human drivers that everyone will have an autonomous vehicle... No more accidents.
@NathanC If you ever have to retake the driver test you will.
@ChrisS Such a bitter sweet invention.
Also, no more need for toll booths...
@ChrisS We can only hope...
Great. In a few years I'll have to root my self-driving car.
Dan
Dan
@ChrisS i don't hold out in that short a time, but the thought sucks for those of us who love driving and riding
18:55
The self-driving cars they have now work better than a human. I think insurance costs will push the takeover. No need for regulation or any such thing.
Also, autonomous vehicles are already legal in 4 states - California, Michigan, Nevada, and Flordia
Dan
Dan
@ChrisS Sorry, but that's just not true. They may be better than a human in a small range of environments but they simply don't have the adaptability to handle the huge range of day to day encounters
@Dan I haven't seen one, so minor disclaimer that I could be getting fed a pile of crap - The latest BMW car is far from perfect, but gets in less accidents than the "average" humans in side-by-side tests of "normal" driving conditions.
Dan
Dan
@ChrisS I'm going to go ahead and say that's marketing BS. Until they have a car that can navigate country lanes, hit a highway/motorway and then navigate through a town and city with no external equipment then it's just a non starter
@Dan Sure - Until it's better than a human in all driving circumstances it's a non-starter.
Dan
Dan
I support the concept in general - I just think that there are so many variables that mean true automation (I.e., you can sit in the back of your car stone drunk and it'll take you home) is a long long way off
19:03
But it's not far away, and progress has been quite steady for the last few years.
Dan
Dan
@ChrisS I think the things we'll see soon will be assisted driving - we already have some of that and it'll gradually become standard and over time more 'invasive'
Stopping people from driving into the back of each other is already a good start. Add some blind spot detection etc and we are getting there I guess
Mercedes is claiming it'll have a car for sale in 2015 that can drive door to door. I'll be surprised if they get that out the door by 2020 - BUT I'd be amazed if they don't have it out the door in the next decade.
Dan
Dan
@ChrisS I think the inevitable malfunction and crash/death that comes with it will slow things up a bit
So long as I can still ride my motorbike and drive classic cars I don't mind, though.
Nah - car companies have enough cash to hush up a few grieving families. And I still maintain the insurance rates will push adoption - autonomous vehicles don't have to be perfect, just better than humans.
@ChrisS and that bar is frightfully low
19:08
So I was just reading Wikipedia...apparently there's an idea to have self-driving taxis that show the passengers ads.
Taxis already have advertising... That doesn't seem new??
@ChrisS Yeah, but without all that space taken up by the steering column and dashboard, you can throw in a large touchscreen and show videos.
Dan
Dan
@RyJones I'm pretty sure I could knock up a car that would improve safety in some countries!
@MichaelHampton Don't NYC cabs do that already?
@Dan I dunno. I've never used an NYC taxi. Always took the subway.
Dan
Dan
@MichaelHampton Sorry, for some reason I thought you were from that neck of the woods
19:26
Who broke SF?
>Stack Exchange is currently offline, we'll be back shortly!
@ChrisS Someone was fiddling with firewall rules ;)
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@ShaneMadden In production?!? Oh wait, it's Stack Exchange, everything is in production.
@shane don't do that.
19:50
A minor firewall change had some very ill effects, we have reverted and are digging into the issue.
@MichaelHampton haha
20:06
Active shooter incident reported at CASCOM HQ, Bldg. 5020. All personnel enact active shooter protocols immediately. Post on lockdown.
WTF, again?
all-clear reported already
Apparently someone was trying to commit suicide
having spent fifteen seconds analysing, my call is attempted suicide
...yep.
@MichaelHampton access-list DEFAULT line 1 extended deny ip any any
"What happened?"
20:09
@MichaelHampton can you fix my name please serverfault.com/questions/623892/… ?
@Iain Do you get that a lot?
@MichaelHampton not a lot but occasionally
@MichaelHampton thanks
I don't really do nginx but are my comments here sane serverfault.com/questions/623897/…?
@Iain I think you shouldn't have let markdown auto-link it
@MichaelHampton I didn't even notice - I get the impression the OP is clueless though
Yeah, I suspect you're right
20:27
/usr/share/php5 ...that's definitely not the path to the php exe
@faker = you beat me on mileage last week :)
@Iain Plot twist, OP was using .onion site, hence wget wouldn't work no matter how hard he tried
When people leave out critical details like that (or, I live <somewhere where I can't buy stuff to accomplish my goal>) it makes it difficult to answer them -_-
anywho, outta here
 
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21:57
Hey mods...
@ewwhite I would like to accept your answer but it has been locked. — Alex V 3 mins ago
@ewwhite What? I don't see any...
yeah yeah
@MichaelHampton are you sure it wasn't three folks from the same IP circle-jerking on my Ubuntu comments?
@ewwhite One of them is "Working at Canonical."
@MichaelHampton Oh :(
One is an 18 year old kid
22:00
Oh :( :(
and the third one is a DEVELOPER
Oh :( :( :(
Yeah, I guess I got unlucky
Not a one of them is a sysadmin or seems to have much experience
So, like I said, ignore the bastards
It was before a big meeting this morning with the produce software company...
about engineering
so it put me in the wrong frame of mind
Heh. And now I get to clean up those comments...
22:04
gulp
You feel guilty because I quoted you?
@ewwhite Heh, no
@MichaelHampton hey, I resemble that remark
Think I"ll leave most of them for now
I'll try not to be a dick.
Well, Fedora Server/Cloud are going to be a thing, starting with next release this fall. So I finally have something to beat Ubuntu lovers over the head with.
22:11
@MichaelHampton one of the topics of discussion in today's meeting was scalability (of produce software)
they think going to RHEL7 will make their systems run better.
@ewwhite It might!
given the application profile, EL6 works fine.. with some tuning
EL7 is worth exploring, but the same tuning principles should apply
@ewwhite But of course
Is Katie also Sandra?
Everyone is Sandra.
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22:14
And did you guys ever figure out who Sandra was?
@ewwhite Was it actually you all along?
@84104 not me.
22:32
Wait a minute. So now there's a button that lets me run random code posted by unknown people? This is going to end badly. Oh look, here's this incomprehensible mess someone posted a question about... I'm going to just run it without even looking at it. The opportunities for people to sneak in malicious code are endless. — Michael Hampton 7 mins ago
I can't believe SE just asked me for more examples of potentially malicious JavaScript ...
You're knocking Ubuntu without valid reason. I could say the same about RedHat & CentOS. They are terrible to work with, and I don't know how people could put up with old broken kernels with drivers that don't work. Anyway, just my little rant. — Matt 1 min ago
I swear...
@ewwhite And now you know why I locked it...
yeah, where are they cumming from?
That question hit the hot list
Oh no...
I thought knocking Ubuntu was a regular thing.
22:39
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Q: What makes JSFiddle secure from XSS based attacks?

TowerI am curious, what makes www.jsfiddle.net secure from XSS based attacks? They have a support for accounts so clearly any script they run on the browser may do evil things.

^ they're doing the same thing as jsfiddle, it's an iframe wrapper and different domain.
@ewwhite Yeah, but it attracted a bunch of developers who are in abusive relationships with Ubuntu...
Think I'm just going to nuke the whole set of comments
and lock it again, at least until the heat dies down
I'd just leave it. I did answer the question... I suppose the same would happen if I said, "Mac sux" on an apple forum and ran away...
@ewwhite I just bought a new macbook pro man
y u no like apple
Nah, that's like saying "Mac sux" on a Windows forum, and having someone post the link to an Apple forum
I LOVE Apple.
Hell, more than Linux :)
22:45
show me your ink.
Anyway, I'm ready to buy an iPhone and it kills me.
"Turn me on, baby"
@RyJones why does it kill you?
@ewwhite because the UI works on an iPad and on an iPhone it's almost useless.
it's not the slickest... but it's decent
22:48
using an iPhone is an exercise in frustration of starting the wrong app and a lot of squinting. But I want BTLE and GPS, and the iPod touch doesn't have that.
@RyJones for me, it's hanging up on incoming calls when I intend to answer.
I totally rsynced an empty directory over a populated live directory this morning...
by not defining an executable path in a cron job. I need to spend more time on Unix.SE
@ewwhite that is also annoying
@RyJones ... maybe you should wear glasses?
@MarkHenderson maybe I wear glasses, thanks, and I find the iPhone sized UI inscrutable.
23:03
@RyJones Well, sounds like they're getting embiggened in a week, so you're in luck.
Bad fucking day. vSphere data store ran out of space for as-yet unknown cause and I'm running badblocks on a drive so I can try and rebuild an array and just accept data corruption
@ShaneMadden oh, is that announce next week? I didn't see an announcement of the announcement
@RyJones Well I dunno, I don't even see my mother in law having those problems on her iphone
And she's 63
@RyJones Sept 9th, if the internet is to be believed.
@MarkHenderson well good to know that, I guess I'll go steal her eyeballs.
23:09
@ShaneMadden I am so fucking sick of iPhone rumours
You can't open any popular press without reading some bullshit rumour
It's going to have NFC. It's going to be 12" in size. It's going to have face recognition. It's going to have a hologram projector. It's going to be made of diamonds. It's going to come with a free gorilla.
I want an apology from anyone who ever published an iPhone 6 rumour that was wrong
@MarkHenderson And a gorilla.
@MarkHenderson far more frustrating is I found a group of people that believe everything the tech press publishes.
like, the only reason the iPhone doesn't exist as a wrist phone was Apple stopped development to spite Samsung, instead of "they never had such a thing under development"
@RyJones I want it to have NFC. I want it to have NFC so badly. But it won't and yet I will still get it because my 4S is now three years old
apple is anti-NFC. I doubt we'll ever see an iPhone with NFC
Need food
23:15
go get some!
@RyJones I'm hours late for lunch. I'm just going to get some when I get home.
@RyJones Because they didn't "invent" it and can't make shittonnes of money off it?
Pisses me off because NFC is what is used for contactless payments
@MarkHenderson I don't know why. they've had a lot of opportunity to add it and didn't
23:46
@MarkHenderson Those aren't really a thing here
@ShaneMadden Well maybe Apple should recognise that there's a whole rest of the planet out there and in Europe and Asia contactless is huge
The only people I see inserting cards into machines are the elderly basically
@MarkHenderson Yes, they definitely should. Just saying, the US is way behind the rest of the world on payment systems
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