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Bob
Bob
00:02
Ah.
For some reason, I have this sudden urge to make sure my backups are working and restorable.
@Bob Thankfully I do have a backup of this array but it's 16TB raw so I do not want to restore it unless I totally have to
Bob
Bob
Ouch. That might take a good week to restore.
Bob
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@MichaelHampton The sky is blue, the sun is hot, what else is new?
IIRC Google's extension reviews are not manual
 
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01:44
@MarkHenderson When is the last time you saw this?
Mainly cos it looks like it's a bug because it should be showing 20 items :p
@MarkHenderson Heh, yeah, something's not quite right there
Ah, it oculd be because all my issues are resolved
Maybe. But I resolved my issues and wound up with 0 of 0
Anyone know if there's a way of buying VMWare Workstation license at a discount? I want a copy for home but I don't want to pay $250 for one
it is, amazingly the same price in $AU as $US
02:11
@MarkHenderson There's an academic discount
Bob
Bob
@MarkHenderson Apart from academic? You should be able to at least drop the GST.
Not that much... but $25 less is better than nothing.
Mostly I just use Player whenever I really need to use VMware anymore. And that's almost never.
Maybe it's time for me to try out virtualbox
People keep talking about it but I havent used it in like 5 years and was unimpressed by it back then
Heh. I'm still unimpressed by VirtualBox.
Seriously though, they've added a lot of stuff to Player, like fullscreen, the ability to create/edit VMs, and more, which makes it usable for more use cases.
damn markdown
02:20
Damn, I was reading that!
@MichaelHampton If I can build some virtual, non-physically connected networks for simulating a small lab I think it will do for the moment
I might have to install an OS by hand though. No auto-attendant installation. Haven't had to install an OS by hand in years
@MarkHenderson I think that's beyond Player's ability.
Wouldn't you just like to install Linux and have a real hypervisor?
Oh wait, you're a Windows shop. Hyper-V then.
Bob
Bob
@MichaelHampton No snapshots, though.
Makes testing crap a pain in the arse.
@MarkHenderson: eh, I use vbox a fair bit
Bob
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02:26
I don't think VirtualBox can overcommit RAM, either.
I can overcommit RAM. Just have to ignore the warnings about doing it.
Also have ballooning and deduplication.
@Bob: I seem to think you can
Bob
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Huh. Is that a new thing?
vbox supposedly can do those things
Bob
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I remember it throwing a hissy fit because it couldn't reserve some amount of physical RAM.
Bob
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That was when I tried to run three or four VMs with 2 GB allocated each and only 8 GB on the host.
Heh, feature request from 6 years ago that was never resolved: virtualbox.org/ticket/1397
Seems like they just forgot about it.
I don't really overcommit RAM much though. All my VMs are pretty minimally sized, and I only increase the RAM when necessary.
02:41
@MichaelHampton This is for home
Just wanna muck around with a few ideas without too much hassle
@MarkHenderson Hyper-V Server, manage it with RSAT?
@JourneymanGeek How do you find it?
@MichaelHampton I could if Ihad the hardware. Only have one PC at home. No servers.
Or do you really want to do this on your desktop?
If it wasn't on the desktop I could go esxi free edition
@MarkHenderson: Personally, its fairly painless on windows.
02:42
@MarkHenderson Client Hyper-V then.
Wait... Windows 8 has Hyper-V?
Stuff just works for me, but I don't do anything too complex
@MarkHenderson Yes, indeed
Shit a brick
I did not know this
@MarkHenderson: yup. @Bob has had nightmares with it ;p
02:43
You can even install it with PowerShell, same as on your server
OK I just found muy solution
nice
I like pwoershell installations
@MarkHenderson: this system is connected over ethernet right?
Less clicking
Install-WindowsFeature Hyper-something something
(you can't bridge hyper-v with wifi)
02:45
@JourneymanGeek Well, you can force it, but it doesn't work, so there's no point :)
One thing I will say about virtualizing machines on your desktop is: You don't have enough RAM. Seriously.
@MichaelHampton: meh. There's no reason not to have enough these days ;p
@JourneymanGeek Yes there is: You've maxed out what the hardware is capable of
I think my next upgrade will be the nice Haswell-E stuff coming out this fall. With 64GB of RAM.
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Yea, I gave up after a bit.
It completely failed to boot.
02:47
@MichaelHampton: Which is at least 4gb on anything in the last half decade.
Bob
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Multiple times.
@JourneymanGeek I'm at 16GB now, and I feel kind of constrained.
Bob
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It might work now that i have the 8.1 update, but I really can't be bothered trying.
VMware will do.
@MarkHenderson If you're going to try installing Hyper-V on a Win8 system you're actively using, make sure you have a full backup (and/or image) available.
System Restore seems to work too, but I wouldn't rely on just that.
@Bob You've had problems?
Bob
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See above :P
The install reboots at some point.
02:49
@MichaelHampton: 0_0
Bob
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For me, it just sat on the startup spinny thing.
Well, I've sort of been looking for an excuse to rebuild this PC but I don't really want to be forced into it :p
Bob
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But that was on a laptop; it might work better on a desktop shrug
$ free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:      16431904   16099648     332256      71144     487860    4906104
-/+ buffers/cache:   10705684    5726220
Swap:      8265724     643804    7621920
Bob
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(It was my first [and only] Win8 machine, so... I wanted to try it out. NOPE)
02:50
@MichaelHampton: How many VMs are you running on it? ;p
@JourneymanGeek Right now, only two
One of them is using 2GB all by itself
dosen't explain how you're using 16 gb of ram, and 6gb of swap ;p
@JourneymanGeek It's not 6GB of swap?
02:52
oh, 600mb
As for the rest, Firefox is a hog, and KDE is a huge hog
I also have a Bitcoin node running
Are bitcoin nodes ram hungry?
Crashplan is a 1.5GB hog, but only because I have over 1 million files in my backup set
0_0
Yeah, you need more ram ;p
 2691 error     20   0 2770568 916860  19952 S   1.0  5.6  75:37.78 bitcoin-qt
Almost 1GB resident, so yeah, bitcoin wants some memory
 3674 error     20   0 3636916 1.805g  63648 S  34.9 11.5 722:57.70 firefox
Is there a browser that doesn't eat RAM like dessert?
02:56
Depends on your usage, but I'd give qupzilla or qtweb a shot
I wonder if I should ask about that on softwarerecs
Bob
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@MichaelHampton you think that's a lot?
@MichaelHampton: could, but that's one of those VERY tricky things to ask a good question about
I don't have any servers at home either, otherwise I'd offload a lot of this crap
@JourneymanGeek Might be hard for me. I have some extremely specific requirements for a browser, well beyond just not hogging all my RAM (which I can live with).
@MichaelHampton: if not for the bitcoin mining, one of the newer atom or nuc systems would probably handle a lot of this quite easily, and for not much cash.
@MichaelHampton: specific requirements are actually good in this case
03:01
@JourneymanGeek I'm not mining, just running a full node
@MichaelHampton: so, its just ram usage?
@JourneymanGeek Yeah
something like a nuc would take 16 gb of ram and a hard drive ;p
and probably take up less power than your desktop
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, right up until I start a package build and overheat the poor lttle Atom
@MichaelHampton: heh. The models I have in mind have core i3 or better processors and fans
Bob
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03:03
@MichaelHampton NUCs range from Celerons to i5s
If it'll run on your laptop, it'll probably run on a NUC.
The bigger issue is the lack of RAM slots :P
@Bob: Hence me not thinking of the celery
Oh, so that's what a NUC is. Might make a good Hackintosh
@MichaelHampton: its a form factor, really
you can pop 2x 8gb into the better models
@MichaelHampton I got a NUC the other week
I'm very happy with it
I bought the cheapest one possible. Celeron processor, 4GB RAM and a 500GB drive. But it does what I need
Yeah, I have the gigabyte equivilent of that
lovely machine.
Need to get a drive next month for it, I currently have one of my spare 40 gb drives on it
03:29
@MarkHenderson: Does yours have a msata slot?
@JourneymanGeek I didn't open it to check but I suspect it idd
Or.. maybe not. was 2.5" drive I think
@MarkHenderson: ahh, mine dosen't
and I did pop mine out of the case to check ;p
all the addon stuff is on the bottom side tho. if you don't see it, its probably not there
04:04
I have 0 unread mail in my inbox! After like 3 weeks. Yay
The unread queue was getting so high I was afraid to review them
 
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06:26
morning
G'day
Late summer bank holiday, it's wet and going to remain so all day
06:42
morning
me and a friend had a bet to reach 3650km by bike this year, he won on the weekend :/
@faker looks like he only just beat you
@Iain yes, I'm at 3626km
I did the Wild Wales challenge yesterday, 97 miles and 9500 feet of 'fun'
It was by far the hardest ride I've ever done
woah
I'm looking at it on Strava, crazy
It was the 30th anniversary of the ride so they made it extra hard
07:03
@Iain wow
I had a nice horse ride at a walk for about 30 minutes...
@hilmanshini Go to the meta site for the one where you're banned and ask.
where?
give me the link?
you mean chat?
or meta stackexchange?
@hilmanshini Yes.
only 18 and i got banned?
terrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible
07:40
@hilmanshini I have no idea why you were banned, and my amount of caring is rapidly decreasing
MJB
MJB
Hi all, i was just looking at questions, and wondering why a couple of questions are downvoted without a comment as to why it was downvoted. I'm looking at contributing again. Why was a question like this (serverfault.com/questions/623742/…) a bad question
@MJB well, running MSSQL on your laptop is not really professional. This site is aimed at professionals
besides that, it is really trivial but he provides little detail. Did he open the port on his router? Or local firewall only? Is he really trying to access the external IP? Can he telnet to it or is just a permission problem inside MSSQL? ...
@MJB It's a bad question for Serverfault - Laptops don't make 'servers' within the scope of SF.
@MJB It fails the "useful to professional sysadmins" rule
also "minimal understanding".
08:52
wifi router, database on laptop, now scream SSD and say your data goodbye :)
MJB
MJB
Ok, thanks for elaborating.
In an entirely different setting. Say that you are at a tech event. You are a man, talking to one of the few woman, one you've known professionally for years. And you spend most of the time making jokes about the fact that she's a woman. Not sexual ones, just that you keep bringing it up every other sentence.
Why would anybody do that?
@JennyD small penis
@DennisNolte I was thinking more about the size of the other brain.
@JennyD or more SFW: usually this can happen when the person is outsmarted or just feels uncomfortable near other gender.
08:56
It just felt really weird. Like, "hey, you don't need to remind me I'm a woman, I've known that for years".
not all the "geeks" from early on did get arround woman greatly, or have that "large" social skills, it is just unusual to see a woman in certain areas.
counter example: man in kindergarten (often refered to as perv/pedo/whatever)
there are still some stereotypes when there is a large difference in gender equality.
I think maybe he was trying to show how he really thinks it's cool that there are women sysadmins, but it feels very uncomfortable when someone keeps remind me that I'm not like the rest of the people in the room.
MJB
MJB
@JennyD, did you try telling him that?
@DennisNolte men in kindergarten: or they also keep getting told that it's so cool with a man who works with kids - i.e reminding them that they are Different.
@MJB I didn't really put the feeling into words at the time, it took me a while to figure out exactly what it was that made me uncomfortable. I hope I'll get a chance to speak privately to him in the near future.
@JennyD yep, agreed, but imagine that on a "geek" level: not gonna happen for the next 10-20 years i am afraid.
09:01
This is actually one of the reasons I like having tech meetups with only women. It's the one time that I don't have to feel singled out.
MJB
MJB
Sad to see special tech meetups are neccesary for women to feel accepted.
I should say that stuff like that only very rarely happens in the Comms room. This is one place where I don't feel like the odd one out.
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@MJB It's not quite so bad as that, but it's hard to relax when I keep getting pointed at like some oddity.
if this would be the regular chat room one could say that is it hard to proove if you are a woman.
But as this seems to me as a little bit more mature "style" of a chat room i would rather say noone cares.
@DennisNolte Mature - hmmm
09:17
@Iain oh, it's very mature... the maturity is just unevenly distributed
@Iain flaming and swearing sure, but usually not on personal level, rather : fuck $RANDOM_REASON
I'm OK with someone being personal as in "fuck you Jenny for being an idiot". I'm way less OK with "Oh, Jenny, you're a woman so you're X", or "all women are $BAD_THING"
@JennyD "Oh, Jenny, you're a woman so you're XX" surely :)
@Iain don't say that when Cole is around :)
09:52
@JennyD Some men are just dicks. And most even do not realize it.
@Hennes true, but the same goes the other way arround.
Sometimes, yes.
@Hennes s/men/people/
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s/some/most/
s/most/all bar me/ ;-)
09:54
@Hennes glad you think you are not, i could not go and think that about me, because i know i am one..(sometimes at least)
Oh, I have messed up before.
Most recently when a friend got a gift (knitted shoes/socks) for a 2 month old baby and I asked if Kim made them. (It was her husband which made them)
i am not talking about messing up,fail is imminent.
I rather meant actually wanting to behave like that.
@Hennes oh the stereotypes :)
someone dared come in here, show their face which was a java logo, and complain of being banned? ugh.
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(I think that showing the java logo should be punishable by immersion in fish until death)
10:15
@DennisNolte I think a lot of people mess up by thinking that they don't have any prejudices, so they never stop to think about how their behaviour affects other people. It's like "if I don't go around saying that I hate $GROUP, then I'm not prejudiced against them and thus nothing I ever do can be damaging to any member of $GROUP". Also known as "Intent is magic and if I don't mean to hurt you then you don't have any right to be hurt."
@Hennes I cringe at remembering how a coworker wouldn't stay at a bar because she had "someone waiting at home" and I suggested that she ask him to come to the bar. (Hint: She was married to a woman. I felt like a total idiot for making assumptions.)
Errors are there to be made. We can only learn from them.
And regardless of these, when we stop learning we are dead.
@Hennes yep. Recognize your mistake, try to fix it, try learn to do better, find new mistakes to make :-)
I am good at the last part :)
also, it's important to learn from other peoples' mistakes, because there's not enough time to make all of them for yourself
10:53
...what? Run a packet capture and watch it? I really couldn't even begin to help you with just this. — Falcon Momot 13 secs ago
11:08
we are running a produce review website and we get spammed with positive reviews for one product. All the reviewers have a @company-name-of-the-product.com e-mail address
You'd think people are smarter than this...
@faker never underestimate the user!
11:26
@faker Replace them all with negative reviews?
11:37
@Hennes heh, nah, we never change ratings. We remove if it's spam or we are legally required
12:26
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Q: How to install WMIC on windows xp home?

кирилл лабутинI've downloaded http://download.microsoft.com/download/.NetStandardServer/Install/V1.1/NT5XP/EN-US/WMITools.exe and installed it. But there is no file windows/system32/wbem/wmic.exe I've copied wmic from other pc with xp (and some .mof files, needed to compile) and now if I enter in cmd: wmic ba...

What. The. Fuck.
12:56
@MichaelHampton actually something similiar happens way too often.. back in the days of my CCA work i had at least one of "those" users daily..
but you could install packages based on your decision during installation or could you not?
@DennisNolte Of course
@MichaelHampton so it is just a predefinition of packages and kernel compile options/parameter for config files?
@DennisNolte Pretty much, right now. Though the plan is for Fedora Server to branch off and get a longer lifecycle.
Workstation and Cloud will remain bleeding edge.
13:13
@MichaelHampton ah so similiar to the kernel LTS "move" they did with the 2.6.32 something kernel.
@DennisNolte It'll be long term, sort of. More like medium term. The timeframes I heard were anywhere from 18 months to 3 years.
@MichaelHampton better than nothing i guess.
@DennisNolte Depends on what your needs are. Sometimes I need hard stability for several years. Sometimes I need the newest software as fast as I can get it.
Though it's usually somewhere in the middle.
@DennisNolte The other thing about Server is that the package set is constrained. The shipped packages will be only those necessary for those roles that Server provides. For instance, you can pick Domain Controller, or Database Server, or whatever, and that's your server. But it doesn't have the other 30,000 unnecessary packages.
There's actually some talk about being able to feed Ansible playbooks to the installer, though I don't think that's implemented yet.
13:31
@MichaelHampton so basically something debian has for like 8 or so years :)
@DennisNolte Debian installer accepts Ansible playbooks?
@MichaelHampton i dont know that, but you can "script" your own installer package, similiar to an windows unattended install.
@DennisNolte Yeah, I know about preseeding and all that. Red Hat has had kickstart forever, too. This would be something you could use in addition to that.
Interesting timeline. Very tight for "enterprisey" use cases, but there's a lot of stuff that will fit nicely in there.
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A: Finding a suitable Server Chassis for a Server Board

Peter HorvathI think, it is a highly opinion-based thing - what you are doing, isn't a well paid thing in the industry, but very many of us are loving to do that. This is because if you are asking advice about this, you will find nearly always people who aren't/won't/can't do any better paid, or who are reall...

meh, 7480 mails, fuck that, delete all.
Thanks Windows for automatically restarting my IIS server when I was working on it...
13:47
@NathanC at least you do not need to get told : "have you tried turning in off and on again?"
I don't see the point of fedora server
Why would you use it instead of CentOS or RHEL?
@DennisNolte Heh. It didn't even notify me it was restarting...it just did it
14:00
Yipes.
Ways to scare your cat: Update the firmware for the baseboard controller while the cat is next to the server
Step 1: Set all fans to max rev.
step 2: flash firmware.
Docker is a useless pile of shite.
So's MySQL.
@TomO'Connor Oh, do tell.
@MichaelHampton For starters, it has a rather spurious use case
the tools are a bit dubious
there's a concept of an image and a container, and it's not always obvious which a tool expects
An image is what a container is created from?
I haven't done much with Docker since I'm using libvirt-lxc instead. But that's what I seem to recall.
14:17
@MichaelHampton yeah.
I managed to fill my disk up with images.
100GB of them in an afternoon
and it wasn't entirely obvious how to prune them.
rm -rf /var/lib/docker
yeah. I nearly did.
14:20
So, yeah. I am halfway through writing a script to import docker images (and then kill the leftovers) so I can use them in libvirt-lxc. Maybe I'll share it :)
@TomO'Connor So what's the problem with MySQL today? Besides Oracle.
14:35
@MichaelHampton 16 char limit on usernames.
seems kinda pointless, and yet irritating.
I am not very good at linux, the server is live and i dont want to miss things up, if i do as you say above, will this effect other programs installed? thank you. — TMMDev 1 min ago
@TomO'Connor Well, of all the complaints you could possibly make about MySQL (I can think of a few) that one wouldn't be very high on my list :)
@MichaelHampton It's the latest in a long list.
@TomO'Connor I moved on to MariaDB 10.0 with the TokuDB engine
I just use postgres :P
@TomO'Connor It's on the "one day it would be nice" list. But I have all kinds of MySQL-only code to support...
14:46
why is there an iptables and an ip6tables in CentOS 6?
surely one could equally be the other.
@TomO'Connor Not really, IPv4 and IPv6 have significant enough differences that it makes sense to separate them.
Starting with the obvious difference in address formats.
Then you have different ICMP codes, some stuff that only exists in IPv6, one or two oddities of IPv4 that weren't repeated in v6, the list goes on and on...
@MichaelHampton pfft.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
@TomO'Connor might be that iptables is the original, while ip6tables is already the netfilter "wrapup"
@DennisNolte There should by now be a totally systems independent firewall api.
@TomO'Connor firewalld wants to be it. But it's not quite feature complete yet.
14:54
Aye.
sup everyone
Quiet in here for a Monday morning (-5:00)
cricket cricket cricket
Sigh, I really, really hate our timeclock system. Doesn't let me request time off unless it's 2 weeks in advance
and we don't really have a formal policy saying how much notice we have to give :[
for once, something cool on /r/sysadmin ;)
15:09
@TomO'Connor ye, something like that i did read.
Fuck this shit! (that is all)
Again, sorry for any ignorance here I just can not find any information on what to do for this.
lovely..
i bet if i would ask the question on SO i am trying to solve i get the same answers, RTFM, search for it.. ye fuck, what do you think i do here, memorize source code in my sleep?
@ewwhite do not argue with them, experience and 100k points on SF only matter to you, not to anyone else!
as for the question, wasn't bsd faster?
i think i remember something on custom kernel designs for lower latency with BSD on the high frequency markets.
15:42
@ewwhite I locked that answer for a day...those guys really need to chill the fuck out
@dennis I work(ed) in trading, and we tried and experimented with everything.
In the end, we went to RHEL and CentOS... With a dark period running Gentoo.
Fedora, CentOS and Ubuntu on the workstation and dev side.
SF has been extra-hostile. I'm cutting my losses.
@ewwhite Eh, don't let a bunch of developers ruin your day
Our consultant recommended Ubuntu for our ftp server install ...I installed Debian.
Granted yes, I could've used CentOS but I already had a debian image ha
I'm getting ready to go meet with the VP of the produce company.
(I'm familiar with both)
15:48
Debian is fine.
Makes it fairly confusing when I'm working on the different ones since the prompts look the same but the package manager is totally different ><
I'm just constantly disappointed with Ubuntu on hardware.
I don't think I've touched Ubuntu since 10.04...
Ran it as my primary desktop for a while until the Nvidia drivers decided they didn't want to work anymore
16:08
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Q: LIVE Video Streaming with Nginx + PHP-FPM / Process Timeout

user3393046I have a live video streaming in my server using nginx + php. the php file reas a live streaming and it directly sends it to the client. I have only one problem. The problem is that i want each request to be in a new process of php-fpm. In a few words i don't want to have idle timeout for a pro...

Devops.
Bob
Bob
> With idle timeout i have huge problems which are hard to explain at the moment but i'm really sure that if i disable the idle timeout everything will be perfect.
Heh.
@Bob His first problem is using PHP to stream video.
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@NathanC s/ to stream video//
That's what Red5 is for -_-
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@NathanC That's off-topic on SU. We only accept phone-related questions where they also involve computers. (I guess you could argue the projector... but that would depend on who happens to see the question. I'd bet closing.)
16:19
@Bob Well, he's talking about Ultrabooks too.
Bob
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@NathanC In the context of "hey the ultrabooks work so why doesn't the phone?"
Oh...i guess I got confused about why he even mentioned the ultrabooks in the question as it's not relevant ><
I need more caffeine, clearly.
Bob
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seems like his way of proving the adapters work.
But the question isn't asking about the laptops.
True.
Daisy-chaining adapters tends to not work as well as we hope them to, though. heh
Bob
Bob
Honestly, I think this is a decent question. but it's technically OffT.
@NathanC Good bet it's a lack of power...
16:22
Damn, he deleted it
@Bob Unfortunately no migration target to the android board, i'll let him know to repost it there
...or not.
inb4post on SU
Bob
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lol
This doesn't appear to be about computers or networking at all, just about hooking your Android phone up to a projector. As such, it appears to be off topic here. I've voted to migrate it to Android Enthusiasts. — Michael Hampton 24 secs ago
@MichaelHampton what was deleted ?
Bob
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Poor guy, getting his question kicked around :P
16:24
@Iain His post on SF. He deleted it and cross posted to SU. Where it's also off-topic...
ah right
Oh, and now he's arguing with me. Apparently hooking laptops up to a projector is "networking".
@MichaelHampton IP video? (lol)
16:50
@MDMarra It's now morning (-8:00) and still quiet. :(
@MichaelHampton Funny part is, there exists a cable for what he wants to accomplish on his phone...
Same with the iPhone
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