The Comms Room

Michael Hampton

00:00

Would you like a nice GPS receiver?

Mark Henderson

Tempting

I might have some bluetooth ones around somewhere from before phones had GPS built into them

Michael Hampton

It might cost less than paying everyone 23 minutes of overtime.

Mark Henderson

I don't even know what the culprit is yet, but I have a likely candidate

Journeyman Geek

eheh

Bob

@MichaelHampton Considering you could set one up with a $20 Android phone if you wanted? Won't do much good inside a building though.

Mark Henderson

00:02

Which is of course that vmware tools resynced its time against the host for a DC, even though the flag is turned off

Journeyman Geek

For some reason I seem to remember reading that it had to be connected via oldschool serial rather than USB

Michael Hampton

Oh, good old VMware.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: you can?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...sure, why not?

Journeyman Geek

(also, there's 20 dollar android phones?)

Michael Hampton

00:03

Let me introduce you to eBay...

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: how would your computer query the phone?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Harvey Norman is currently selling a Telstra-branded ZTE for $18

Journeyman Geek

ahh. What a world we live in

Michael Hampton

@Bob Not very enterprisey though.

Bob

well, of course :P

might as well hit a well-maintained public NTP server

@JourneymanGeek there's gotta be a NTP server implementation for Android somewhere

Michael Hampton

00:06

Coincidentally I discovered a client's VMware VM today that was about a minute slow. It didn't even have ntp installed!

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Mark Henderson

@Bob Can it be rack mounted? If it's not rack mounted it's not going in our production network

OH I KNOW

Bob

@MarkHenderson Does duct tape count?

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: I do know for a fact there's rackmount timeservers

Michael Hampton

10

A: Do I need to run a NTP server in every VM?

In a perfect world, your VM guests would keep perfect time, or at least as perfect as the host provides. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world. Based on my experience with virtually every hypervisor known to man, I always run an NTP client in virtual machines, without exception. My usua...

Mark Henderson

00:07

Dave from EEVBlog upstairs has a Rubidium standard. THAT fucker is rack mounted

Journeyman Geek

(and eh, I forgot to consider both those options)

Mark Henderson

And has something absurd like a 1ppm drift over 1 year

Journeyman Geek

and I was looking at satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html (which is cool) and endruntechnologies.com/gps-time-server.htm (which is enterprisy)

Bob

Still, any reason you can't just sync to a public NTP server?

Mark Henderson

@Bob Nah

No real reason

Except I don't know if that's done with Domain Controllers

I should ask @mdmarra

But he's not friends with us any more since he got his cool new job

@JourneymanGeek I like the shiny one

I like shiny things

Bob

00:11

> We highly recommend that you configure the authoritative time server to obtain the time from a hardware source. When you configure the authoritative time server to sync with an Internet time source, there is no authentication. We also recommend that you reduce your time correction settings for your servers and stand-alone clients. These recommendations provide more accuracy and security to your domain.

:\

Journeyman Geek

clearly ;p

Bob

> To have us configure the Windows Time service to use an internal hardware clock for you, go to the "Fix it for me" section. If you prefer to fix this problem yourself, go to the "Let me fix it myself" section.

good lord

anyone running a "fix it for me" tool on their DC needs to be taken out back and shot

7

Mark Henderson

quickly deletes the download before anyone notices

Found the culprit. A VMWare host that was syncing its time from a long ago decomissioned DC had drifted. For some god unknown reason it resynced the time on a DC with its local time.

Double checked and the "sync time" flag is certainly turned off

Michael Hampton

And now you know why I don't trust the host clock...

Mark Henderson

How come a 50c watch from the chinese market can keep reasonably accurate time for 10 years but a fucking $7,000 server can't

3

Temperature changes fucking up the oscillation?

Should be pretty stable temperature in there after being racked and powered on for 3 years straight

Michael Hampton

00:17

@MarkHenderson Then it ought to consistently gain or lose time :)

Bob

There are people worrying about leap seconds, and then there are people trying to keep their time within 5 minutes :P

2

Mark Henderson

@Bob Otherwise known as Windows admins :p

Bob

I think we had a question on SU of some poor guy with randomly jumping time.

9

Q: Major clock drift while computer is awake

The system clock is drifting quickly in my new Windows 8 Pro installation on a computer that ran Windows 2008 Server (Windows 7) just fine. This is a DELL Precision M4300. EDIT Originally I thought this was just in Windows 8. I've since put back the Windows 2008 Server hard-drive that I'd swa...

Ooh, he fixed it.

Mark Henderson

@Bob Interesting problem

His RTC was frozen

Michael Hampton

I don't worry about the 5 minute thing anymore

Bob

00:21

linked answer

> The RTC (Real Time Clock) crashed and/or stopped ticking.

O_O

Michael Hampton

I just keep my clocks in sync because mis-set clocks annoy me. And cause all sorts of other issues, like people being paid overtime unexpectedly.

Bob

Heh.

Our clocks have been consistently 5-10 minutes fast since I started here.

No one cares to fix it.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton I now have five emails from different customers telling me that their timesheets are out for the day

And its not even 10:30

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson 23 minutes...so it's what, 10:00?

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton haha the clocks now have the correct time

Nathan C

00:45

god i hate my home internet so much...

300+ ms ping 2 hops away and it stays like this if there's more than 2 people on at once

Mark Henderson

@NathanC Sounds like DSL to anywhere in Australia

Bob

@NathanC that would be a saturated connection, typically upstream... anyone torrenting?

Mark Henderson

And I now have a Zabbix alert to tell me if the time changes by more than the expected amount. Bring on the flood of alerts when daylight savings kicks in/ends

Nathan C

Ping statistics for 173.194.121.35:
Packets: Sent = 156, Received = 153, Lost = 3 (1% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 33ms, Maximum = 814ms, Average = 258ms

@Bob Not that I know of...one person on netflix, another on the internet via ipad, and me

MDMarra

01:01

@MarkHenderson Set the PDCe from the forest root to sync from somewhere you trust

let everything else sync from the domain heirarchy, which is the default

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Haven't you ever heard of UTC?

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Server times are not set to UTC

our server times are not set to UTC

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson The server's timezone doesn't matter, you can still get the UTC time from it and use that data value.

Mark Henderson

With Zabbix?

Or do i ahve to write a custom item for it?

Michael Hampton

How are you getting the time now?

Mark Henderson

01:05

system.localtime

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson system.now

Though you can't use fuzzytime with that unless the Zabbix server is on UTC

But since it's seconds since epoch you can just compare it directly

Gawd. Not running on UTC is such a pain in the ass.

Mark Henderson

@MDMarra Thanks, I'll do that

MDMarra

It doesnt have to sync externally

just if you care about the time being accurate :)

Michael Hampton

There was almost a discussion on how to convert a $20 Android phone into a GPS time source for NTP...

MDMarra

haha

it can double as a SMS notification source for your monitoring server!

I think you're onto something here

Michael Hampton

01:15

pool.ntp.org/zone/au

What we really want to know is, how did you get two NICs with the same MAC address? — Michael Hampton ♦ 5 mins ago

Bob

@MichaelHampton Surprisingly, there doesn't seem to be an NTP server impl for Android

not that I could find, anyway

Michael Hampton

@Bob Ehhh. You can just cross-compile one

Bob

@MichaelHampton Yea, but the trick is to get it to use the GPS as a stratum 0 source :P

Michael Hampton

I've run Fedora in a chroot on my Xoom tablet

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton No no do it properly. Rubidium standard. I know that there's one in the building. I'm sure I could knock up an RTC that was synced to it.

►

Michael Hampton

01:19

@MarkHenderson Yeah, there you go

Bob

@MarkHenderson The advantages of having Dave in the building? :P

Mark Henderson

@Bob None really. I've given him a floppy drive, 24GB of RAM, and backed his kickstarter and all he's done for me is provide 30 minute videos approximately 3 times a week that he doesn't charge anyone for and be a really nice guy

Oh and I gave him an i7 but that was sort of by mistake because he fished one our old "servers" out of the dumpster

Journeyman Geek

01:51

;p

Bob

02:04

@MarkHenderson I need the address of this dumpster :P

Michael Hampton

Hell, I need a free i7

Mark Henderson

02:30

@Bob The rubbish room in our building services our building plus two adjacent ones, so there's a lot of companies turfing ex-lease equipment

Bob

@MarkHenderson Soooo... address? :P

Mark Henderson

@Bob Feel like a trip out to Baulkham Hills?

Bob

03:24

@MarkHenderson For parts scavenging? I think I can spare the hour round trip :P

Falcon Momot

03:35

why would you not use NTP?

... unless you're worried about spoofing; I guess GPS time is harder to mess with

Bob

4 hours ago, by Bob

> We highly recommend that you configure the authoritative time server to obtain the time from a hardware source. When you configure the authoritative time server to sync with an Internet time source, there is no authentication. We also recommend that you reduce your time correction settings for your servers and stand-alone clients. These recommendations provide more accuracy and security to your domain.

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: or you're doing something that needs insane levels of precision ;p

Bob

That's MS's opinion on it.

Falcon Momot

it's not a bad opinion, though it's also one I rarely see followed.

another thing people do is limit the drift allowed by automatic NTP syncs so that you'd have to be spoofing it for a sustained period

GPS time sources work poorly in datacentres.

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: I'm curious to how google does it

Falcon Momot

03:47

so one is left with the various standard time signals, which work great if you're anywhere near one and not near much EMI

Bob

@FalconMomot yes, the great thick concrete roof does tend to be a bit of an issue :P

Falcon Momot

I'm sure they were much easier to pick up a decade or two ago.

you can use a modem to dial the NIST standard time, but that has time-delay inaccuracies

Journeyman Geek

I'm popping by the local computer mall today, yay

@FalconMomot: hmm. I wonder if using fibre optics would help there

especially if you 'knew' the length of the fibre.

Falcon Momot

WWVB at 60kHz is a theoretically OK solution except that it is a weak harmonic of 60Hz

@JourneymanGeek I guess you could standardize your own time?

of all these things, NTP with drift limits seems by far the best option

better still would be a trustable GPS clock that could do NTP over SSL

located in a trustable location

Journeyman Geek

pretty much

Mark Henderson

04:17

@Bob Well I'm heading down there in 30 minutes or so with some more boxes so I'll see if there's anything worthwhile

Bob

@MarkHenderson o.O

I'm not sure if we're still joking about it.

Mark Henderson

@Bob Don't worry if there's anything worthwhile I will keep it for myself

MichelZ

morning

Bob

04:36

@MarkHenderson Heh. I really wish we had a dumpster with more than rotting restaurant waste :P

Journeyman Geek

05:12

lol

Mark Henderson

05:23

@Bob It was empty except for one laser printer that's been there for months

Bob

o.O

Mark Henderson

.@eevblog this one looks like it's already been "reviewed" and rejected. One of yours? http://t.co/2CeOUxKiCz

Tweeted by thefarseeker on August 12, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Bob

I love how he instantly recognises it :D

Mark Henderson

@Bob I'm more impressed by the fact that he fired it up and looked at the stats and then remembered why he rejected it

Iain

05:50

G'day

Mark Henderson

YES! YES! Client that was meant to come and spend 3 days in the office with us just cancelled

I hate it when they want to come in and work side by side and peer over our shoulder all day

MichelZ

hehe

customers are the worst

Jenny D

morning

Falcon Momot

06:07

Rawr.

Iain

06:46

It's like October here today - cold,wet and winy

Bob

06:56

Heh.

Been a rather dry winter. Raining all day today.

And I broke an umbrella -_-

Journeyman Geek

@bob picked up the brix

(And a kilo of butter. Entirely unrelated)

Bob

XD

Buttered NUC for lunch, eh?

Journeyman Geek

Lol

There's a great, very cheap baking goods shop next to the mall the good computer parts stores are

Also, if I ever need 25 kilos of baking soda....

Bob

Half an hour until I go home... I feel so unproductive right now.

Falcon Momot

when I wake up it will be monday

Bob

07:07

@FalconMomot I'm from the future. It's not a good Monday.

Falcon Momot

@Bob in other news: 1 != 2

Bob

Ok, it's a worse Monday than normal.

Hennes

09:19

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

My Poweredges have arrived. :)

Journeyman Geek

09:30

blah

@Hennes: oooh

Hennes

The box showed some wear from the ES -> NL -> ES -> trip, but yay, there have arrived.
and with the default SAS cards

Which I did not expect, but which is a nice bonus

And the RAM is 2x1GB, not the 4x512 which I feared)

Journeyman Geek

^^

so, in theory you can either upgrade, or salvage ram from one for the other?

Hennes

Aye.

The intention is:
Old server: Remove 2x2GB, add 4x4GiB (total of 24GiB, maxed out)
New server1: 2x1Gb
New server2: 2x1GB plus the 2x2GiB removed from the old server

Journeyman Geek

09:49

ahh

right. Did a bunch of functional testing on my new home server. ;p

faker

ahh, long weekends. Perfect time for our Hadoop cluster to break Thursday night. Only today we noticed...

Journeyman Geek

Annoyingly, I've not decided what to install on it yet

Hennes

GCC ;-)

Or clang/lvm :)

and nethack

Journeyman Geek

(and I'll need to reinstall anyway, I grabbed a 40gb hard drive off one of my older laptops)

Hennes

40GB for the OS should be enough.

Might be a tad slow drive though

Journeyman Geek

09:52

lol. I'm torn between running a hypervisor on it (ESXi is right out, maybe smartos or hyper V), or throwing on a more proper OS on it

eh, current home server USB boots ._.

Hennes

I will install FreeBSd on one server to mirror my 'production' server

Journeyman Geek

(which is actually pretty neat from the recovery standpoint. In theory I can image the entire drive, restore, and get it to the latest state with rsync or cp)

Dennis Nolte

don't forget that usb drives tend to wear out pretty fast.
i burned a lot of them doing a router with logging enabled on usb :)

Journeyman Geek

@DennisNolte: Yeah, for a longer term install, I'll probably do what I did with /swap and stick stuff that changes a lot on the main drive

tombull89

I'm not a fan of Outlook 2013, I must say

Dan

11:06

Is this me being a dick?

-2

A: Handling culture difference in multinational workplace

"I personally don't think it's business appropriate" You go into into a foreign business environment, and you presume to tell your host IN YOUR HOST'S COUNTRY how to conduct business? What else do you want to dictate to your host? "Our business partners would take us to dinner" So, whose idea w...

Tom W

I don't think so. I think the answer is right in this particular case, but it doesn't generalise

tombull89

He seems like he's not happy with the way the customer is doing things?

Dennis Nolte

he is just prude..

Michael Hampton

There are pork restaurants?

Tom W

It's not clear exactly what he's describing, I could go either way on whether I found that appropriate or not.

tombull89

11:10

@MichaelHampton they serve pork, not the waiters/customers are pigs

Tom W

Maybe like a hostess bar. Not that I've ever been to one, but I don't think I'd want to go to one with someone I'd see in the office the next day

Dan

The answerer seems desperate to find offence on behalf of the business partner, and I don't really understand why

Personally I'd probably just 'deal with it' (Though I'm also lucky enough to have an understanding and self confident wife), but I can totally understand why this person may not wish to go again

Dennis Nolte

his points are strange.. a good boss will allways have an excuse if someone of his team cannot go for whatever reason..

Tom W

Thing is, I can't guess at whether refusing hospitality would be grossly insulting or not. Someone who's offended will be offended regardless of your reasons

Dennis Nolte

noone needs to know the true reason why employee X isnt attenting the whore fest..

Dan

11:14

I can see the OP's dilemna, I just can't grasp the attitude in the answer

Michael Hampton

I swear, I think I read that scenario in a Neal Stephenson book...

Dennis Nolte

@Dan the attitude looks a bit like "behave and do as you told, have fun when we tell you to have fun" :)

tombull89

Surely that's like going to any resturant and having girls serve you?

Dan

@tombull89 It's in china - I suspect it's a little more, uh, intimate

tombull89

Unless it's a "kareoke bar" that has rooms out back for...well...

Tom W

11:15

I guess the only unrefutable excuse in most cultures is "Sorry, it's against my religion to [x]"

Dan

I don't think it's full on prostitution, but I suspect it's a business-y kind of place where the girls are there to ensure everyone enjoys themselves

Tom W

Depends what kind of business this trip is for. Some industries are cut-throat enough that if you aren't prepared to suck it up, you aren't the person for that job

tombull89

I don't think he'd be the one doing the sucking...

Tom W

I guess is the point being made in the answer

Michael Hampton

12:41

It sounds like you were taken to a KTV. This isn't that uncommon, it seems. — Michael Hampton 22 secs ago

Nathan C

12:57

0

Q: Can I use an RODC for Active Directory athentication if the writeable DC is not available for several months?

We are running an Read-Write DC at our home office which we are using for authentication when were are working there. It works fine as long as we are at the office, but we are going to be on the road for a few months, and and IT infrastructure at our office will have to stay offline during this t...

active-directory domain-controller windows-server

You're doing it..wrong?

Dennis Nolte

how does a RODC work? without sensitiv data why should i need it on a compromised network? i find this concept strange, even after reading wikipedia bout it.

Nathan C

@DennisNolte It's decent for remote offices where physical security is a problem

If someone were to steal the box with a RODC, they couldn't wreck havoc on the network like they could with a true DC

Dennis Nolte

ah i see. but they do have all the login data dont they?

0

Q: Where should I put my web app so it is private by default but accessible through subdomains?

I have a web application written in PHP that I want to host on an Apache 2.2 server. The tricky part though is that the same web application should be accessible through different subdomains (the web application uses the current subdomain to do some work). In other words I don't want to have to d...

apache-2.2 php subdomain

Nathan C

Encrypted for what it's worth, but yes.

Dennis Nolte

why was the answer by Zachary removed?

Nathan C

13:11

Which is why RODCs should also be encrypted with gnuPGP or something

Dennis Nolte

@NathanC is the encryption strong enough or still some lanman hash crap you can solve in like 20 or so seconds these days?

Nathan C

@DennisNolte I'm not sure, actually.

Dennis Nolte

hmm, ok, so i will ignore just another "great" feature which could be solved with luks :)

encrypt everything on harddrive, don't let it boot without password, have UPS everywhere, and only have issues that the password is not working after power is out for $X hours... ye those days..

Dan

13:26

Any SMB genuises in da house?

Michael Kjörling

@Dan How much genius do you need?

Dan

@MichaelKjörling Loads

Michael Kjörling

@NathanC Followup comment here (an hour ago, in case you haven't seen it since you weren't @-pinged there)

Dan

I have two SMB shares, hosted on two different NetApps (apparently - they're managed by others). One works fine, the other is slow as fuck when opening docs in office

Michael Kjörling

@Dan Hmm... not entirely sure I can be of server then.

Dan

13:30

I've ran wireshark and the slow one does lots of "NetShareGetInfo" requests with a failed "WERR_INVALID_PARAM" response

The good one does a single NetShareGetInfo request, with an immediate response (no errors)

Michael Kjörling

@Dan You know, I saw something about that just recently... give me a minute, it may be nothing but it just might be a clue...

Hm. Not likely to be relevant. Here it is anyway: Why does Explorer say "File too large" for my custom file system, when the problem has nothing to do with the file being too large (heck it's not even a file). That's my best shot in the dark right now (and it's broad daylight outside). I don't work with this stuff... :)

@DennisNolte If GnuPG is strong enough to be good enough for Edward Snowden, I figure it's likely to be good enough for me. But only barely. // cc @NathanC

Nathan C

13:45

@MichaelKjörling True story. The security of any crypt solution is limited to the security of the key(s) used to encrypt them, too.

You can have a billion dollar safe, but it's no safer than a sock drawer if you leave the keys in an unsafe place. :)

Finally got that stubborn NFS mount off my VM hosts...yay SSH!

Michael Kjörling

@NathanC True, true -- no chain is weaker than its strongest hypertext reference, or whatever :)

Dan

13:57

Any NetApp pro's?

Dennis Nolte

how would i write a follow up question, linking to the source and just write the question with minimal details or summarize the primary question and focus on the relevant details? Cause i know which comments will come if i just do it "my" way :)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

Nothing like a good crash on the first day after vacation

Definitely confirmed that my adrenal glands are in top condition :)

Nathan C

Heh, that's funny...I'm installing Debian 7 on vmware and it defaulted the hostname to "android-guidstring"

cole

So I need some advice

Friday two coworkers were talking in the cube next to me. I don't recall how the conversation started but one made a "tranny" joke. Next thing I know one goes "hey dude - look at this. This is a girl" (it's his friend that's FTM) Then the really derogatory comments start.

And I'm just sitting there feeling completely like shit while they rip this dude apart and call him "shim" and "tranny" etc

Nathan C

@cole Report it to HR

cole

14:07

Should I go to my boss first?

Who's aware of my situation?

our HR rep is pretty clueless and unaware my situation.

So I'm trying desperately to not have to out myself to someone if I don't have to.

tombull89

@cole I'd say your boss first.

cole

@tombull89 I have never felt so awful

tombull89

Company should have a discrimination/equapilties policy, might be worth mentioing that.

:(

cole

They literally ripped him apart and kept calling him a girl. Then one was like "Have you fucked him because he has a vagina?"

Like, wtf.

Dennis Nolte

@cole get another job. seriously. fast. this will make you ill soon enough..

cole

14:12

@DennisNolte I'm looking

tombull89

any local LGBT charities?

cole

but I'm wondering if I should say something in the interim since who knows how long it will take to find a new job.

Dennis Nolte

are you able to move?
https://protonmail.ch/pages/join-us

cole

@tombull89 what? why?

@DennisNolte no I'm not

tombull89

Might be in a better spot to offer advice than me, that's all.

cole

14:13

@tombull89 thing is - I don't do the LGBT community. I transitioned to be male not to be a transmale - you know?

tombull89

Ah, I see. Sorry.

Dennis Nolte

@cole just drop a written document on the boss paper when hes not there, or at his car or something, make it anonym.

cole

@DennisNolte my boss and I are friends, and he knows about my situtation

but I'm literally sitting here shaking because it's really bothering me.

tombull89

I'd take it to him first, does he also manage those other guys?

Dennis Nolte

my experience on a similiar situation: if those guys are the one bringing in the money for the coorp, noone will care until the law suit hits..

cole

14:16

@tombull89 one of them, yes.

Dennis Nolte

and even that might be cheaper for the corp than having them "disciplined"..

cole

@DennisNolte neither are terribly useful

This is like a huge reason why I'm not out.

tombull89

Yeah, I'd speak to your manager and ~~get them taken out the back and beaten~~ ask him to speak to both of them.

cole

Yeah I'm going to

Dennis Nolte

@tombull89 totally agreed.

cole

14:17

I feel sick to my stomach

It's definitely making it hard to concentrate

one of them sits right next to me

Dennis Nolte

on another event: get out with them and your boss to drinking, get drunk, and fuckin punch them hard..

do you have any proove?

voretaq7

@cole Wow, talk about "creating a hostile work environment"

Dennis Nolte

ye, too many arrogant dicks who should have been shot long ago still have jobs..

cole

@voretaq7 yeah I really don't feel safe now

like what happened if they found out?

voretaq7

Well I would start by mentioning this to your boss, but you should also really think about making a formal complaint to HR

cole

14:21

I really am, I don't feel safe.

I hate people.

3

voretaq7

doesn't matter that you're trans, you could be cis/male or cis/female & still be offended by the fact that you're working with cromag douchewaffles

Dennis Nolte

@cole thought the ones who bark are not the worst kind.

cole

@voretaq7 very true.

voretaq7

@cole ...that's just the sysadmin in you talking.

cole

I know they'll try to tell me it's because one's foreign and the other is a blue collar guy.

voretaq7

14:25

@cole and it's still fucking unacceptable

cole

It is.

Dennis Nolte

having an audio conference and needing to take a phone call really sux.. great work murphy..

cole

and the foreign dude has been in the states for 15 years so

voretaq7

they can learn that right fucking now - you want to talk that way quit your job and start your own company, and we can all not hire them like the wedding wonks that "won't do" gay weddings

@cole are you guys a publicly traded company?

cole

@voretaq7 yes, a 2 billion dollar publicly traded company

voretaq7

14:27

@cole so I assume you have a social responsibility statement, and probably a diversity and non-discrimination statement

cole

@voretaq7 correct

voretaq7

and as employees they're bound by those, so they can fix their attitude or fuck off.

cole

I can't believe how much it's bothering me

voretaq7

I can, it's totally not cool

cole

like I'm physically shaking and feel ill.

voretaq7

14:30

I mean I'm the worst person to judge a standard of offense (I crack flamer jokes all the time, I'm a terrible gay man), but if someone started really going off about how they hate fags and shit I'd probably punch them

(I'm not very mature, and I have poor impulse control.)

tombull89

ditto ^

(well not the part about me being a gay man, but, ditto)

Fees: £235.00 | Concession fees: £325.00 lolwut

voretaq7

@tombull89 You weren't paying enough

tombull89

I'm not paying, that's the best thing.

SpacemanSpiff

hopefully I don't start a fight... when updating Windows systems... firmwares or drivers first?

tombull89

The school has agreed to pay for me to do the CCNA. Eventually.

@SpacemanSpiff servers or desktops/laptops?

SpacemanSpiff

14:39

servers

in this case UCS blades

cisco seems to be "update firmware" first camp

Ry Jones

firmware first is what I would do

tombull89

Firmware, because you might not have an OS to install the drivers.

SpacemanSpiff

my middle of the road opinion was to run the driver updates and power down, then update the firmware and they both come up in sync on next post

voretaq7

@SpacemanSpiff Generally I'd do firmware first (new firmware should be backwards-compatible with old drivers - at most there will be added features you can't use).

Theoretically you could do drivers first (because new drivers should support old firmware under the same logic), but often the new firmware will trigger a driver update

@SpacemanSpiff Also not sure about Cisco/UCS but I know IBM BladeCenters required the blade and backplane/chassis firmwares to be mutually-acceptable, so better to deal with that headache first and then take care of the OS-level stuff

Michael Hampton

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Q: ESXi onboard SATA passthrough

I am running ESXi 5.5 on a home system. When I attempt to pass one of the onboard SATA controllers (Intel ICH10R) to a VM, it is successful. However, the controller never appears in the VM. What else am I missing that would cause a VM to not recognize the controller? Additional Info: The contr...

vmware-esxi sata freenas

This seems wrong somehow.

SpacemanSpiff

14:49

cool, thanks, just need to bounce that question off of dudes other than my team

UCS is backwards compatible a bit

the fabric and chassis will typically all match, but blades can be a few revisions down and still remain in a "supported" config

Dennis Kaarsemaker

15:12

@cole just playing devil's advocate here: maybe coming out would prevent this from happening? They'll still be jerks, but maybe they can control themselves more around you.

Michael Hampton

Who cares what a couple of incompetent morons who can't find their own ass with two hands, let alone the mouse, think?

Dennis Nolte

ye great, 5min before end of work today, and now the server seems to think yee disk full, right... fuck databases.. we all should use text files only..

ah lvm got still some free space left.
another problem for another day!

Chris S

15:32

Apparently there's a formal order to Adjectives in English... You've probably been doing it your whole life out of habit without knowing.

Adjective

In linguistics, an adjective is a "describing word", the main syntactic role of which is to qualify a noun or noun phrase, giving more information about the object signified. Adjectives are one of the traditional eight English parts of speech, although linguists today distinguish adjectives from words such as determiners that formerly were considered to be adjectives. In the immediately previous sentence, "traditional" is an adjective and "eight", while known traditionally as an adjective, is now classified as a determiner; and in the preceding paragraph, both "main" and "syntactic" are traditional...

Nathan C

@ChrisS English is already complicated enough!

:p

Chris S

Also, every adjective can be used before or after a noun, thought the sentence may need to be restructured, and it might change the meaning.

SpacemanSpiff

rubbish, all rubbish

cole

My boss was very supportive

and apologized. Said he would talk to HR and also send out an email (very generic about foul/crude language)

SpacemanSpiff

@cole - my personal opinion? You're being very "delicate".

qroberts

15:44

I think our website was compromised, index.php has some obfuscated code at the top of the source and I have no idea where it came from. It's base64 encoded and looks like a pain to take apart. Anyone able to tell me what it does?

http://pastebin.com/KKC80uYJ

cole

@SpacemanSpiff I'd rather refrain from outing myself.

Michael Hampton

@qroberts I'm sure as hell not going to run that.

qroberts

Yup it was hacked:
http://www.rsjoomla.com/forum/45-rsfirewall/22818-indexphp-changed-critical.html
http://forum.joomla.org/viewtopic.php?t=829339

No I'm not asking you to run it :P

Dan

God damn, some days I'm fucking awesome

Chris S

@cole Your situation really doesn't matter... I'm regularly surprised at how bigoted some people can be; but shocked when they'd say something out loud. If I heard someone making "jokes" like that I'd get my boss or HR involved. In my case there's no LBGT around, but just because you don't think you're offending anyone doesn't excuse the behavior. We don't have an Black employees currently but management would go postal if someone dropped a n-word joke in the office.

cole

15:47

Dammit, I applied for a job on Craigslist and turns out the job is through a recruiting firm that I hate

bbiab - going to lunch then working at home

Chris S

how'd it get to be lunch time already... I fell like I just got to work

Dan

What's that - 3 weeks with your "support team", escalated to 3rd line you say. You've engaged the vendor? Fuck that - just call Dan and give me 4 hours, boom!

Ry Jones

@cole take care of yourself first

SpacemanSpiff

Maybe I'm a weirdo, but I don't feel I have a "right" to be comfortable all the time.

I've often thought that the mere presence of stupid people offends me greater than bigots or anything of the sort.

though usually they overlap

Nathan C

TIL: --i-am-a-dummy is an actual command you can pass MySQL

SpacemanSpiff

15:57

@NathanC - what does it do?

Nathan C

@SpacemanSpiff Enables a mode to prevent accidental database nukings

So, DELETE FROM table would fail...you need a WHERE clause

Dennis Kaarsemaker

16:31

@SpacemanSpiff there's a difference between uncomfortable and feeling terrible because cow-orkers are ridiculing people you can identify with in a horrible way, feeling that they are ridiculing you.

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