The Comms Room

ewwhite

00:09

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Q: "Core Charge" on defective server HDDs

I have collected a pretty decent amount of SAS and SCSI disks over the years that have a predictive failure warning. I was just about to throw them all out, but wondered if any of the manufacturers offer a buy back program or maybe a credit toward the purchase of new hardware. Surely there are so...

Jacob

@ewwhite It's not a battery...

ewwhite

Yet most of the disks I use are refurbished.

(yes customers, I'm selling you refurbished HP gear!!)

Jacob

@ewwhite It's not like they'd buy new...

ewwhite

I prefer HP refurb

Same warranty.

I get less DOA stuff.

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite You're not the first, but do you really care? (NSFW)

ewwhite

00:39

On a plane... can't open that.

people will look at me weird

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Only if you have a blanket on your lap that starts vibrating

ewwhite

I've seen someone give head on a plane

that was... precious

Flying to Antigua from Miami.

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite wow

ewwhite

first class, too

Mark Henderson

Sometimes I wonder if I'm missing out

I'll never get head in first class on an airplane

ewwhite

00:47

Yeah, you're missing out.

@MichaelHampton So how would you distribute your software to your RHEL 6.2 and 6.5 servers? :)

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson pre owed?

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I wouldn't be holding back any machines on 6.2, that's how. The vendor can go fuck themselves.

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Well its fake

There was a real BMW one, but I liked the fake Aston one better

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton Yeah, I couldn't imagine that. But the OP is going down the wrong path, right?

Michael Hampton

Primrose path

The primrose path refers to a life of ease and pleasure, or to a course of action that seems easy and appropriate but can actually end in calamity. == In popular culture == An early appearance of the phrase in print occurs in Shakespeare's 1602 play Hamlet (Act I, Scene III), where Ophelia, rebuffing her brother Laertes' insistence that she resist Hamlet's advances, warns Laertes against hypocrisy: Do not, as some ungracious pastors do, Show me the steep and thorny way to heaven, Whiles, like a puff'd and reckless libertine, Himself the primrose path of dalliance treads And recks not his own rede...

ewwhite

00:55

@MichaelHampton funny, since I wrote, "you don't find people still running RHEL 6.2"

Mark Henderson

01:05

It's windows, so two interfaces cannot be in the same subnet. It simply won't allow it. — Ricky Beam 3 hours ago

That's wrong. Isn't it?

You can totally have two network interfaces in the same subnet

ewwhite

ye

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No Time

Can anyone direct me (or tell me what to search for) to information regarding deploying a new network in a mixed OS environment? (i.e. Common tools/services which can be used seamlessly and aren't OS dependent)

I am not having luck finding what I am looking for

ewwhite

a new network?

No Time

Like a full infrastructure basically

I know how the network will be comprised (physically), but I need some help figuring out how to implement services, and maintain it correctly

ewwhite

that's pretty broad

You kinda either know how to do it or you don't.

No Time

01:12

I can put it in a question.

Mark Henderson

@NoTime It will be closed, as the main site doesn't do "shopping" or research-based questions

What you need to do is start with the services that the company wants to have

And work your way from there

No Time

I will be implementing it

Starting new business

ewwhite

@NoTime or maybe help us understand what you are unsure about?

Mark Henderson

Is it going to be 100% Windows workstaitons with 100% Linux servers?

No Time

@ewwhite I want to be able to do cross os services, I only really have experience with MS Server

Mark Henderson

01:15

Or a mix of linux and windows on workstaitons? etc

No Time

The server will be Linux supporting 2 OSX, and 3 'Windows 7' computers

ewwhite

@NoTime I build new environments all the time... partially why it's hard to say, "oh, here's how you do it"

I prefer Linux on the server, but Windows where it makes sense...

so Active Directory - YES

Exchange mail - YES

Windows DHCP/DNS - YES

No Time

I want to implement VPN, a SAN, and poissibly VOIP

ewwhite

you can tie Linux servers into Active Directory

No Time

OK, so better to have a MS Server

ewwhite

01:16

Storage is a whole world of choices...

No Time

For AD

ewwhite

Will you have virtualization?

No Time

I can get VMWare I am sure.

Right now there is no huge price point. But I won't need an overblown server, and a bunch of stuff. I will be doing all the cabling myself, and setting everything up

ewwhite

are you up to the task?

No Time

I just haven't run a Linux Server before, or had a cross OS network, aside from onesies and twosies which someone else did

I have done lots of cabling, and networks from boxes through sattellites

but everything was MS

ewwhite

01:18

not to sound mean, but I'm a consultant, and I spend so much time cleaning up environments, that it's hard to understand how people can gain this experience if they don't already have it.

DOn't be thrown off by Linux.

or Mac, for that matter

you can link the Mac to AD as well

No Time

I understand that it is going to be a lot of work. Maybe I should forgo having a Linux server? I wanted to reduce price of software in exchange for support

ewwhite

Hmm...

the business and needs should dictate what you do at the server level.

if you don't need Linux, don't use it.

No Time

Main thing is SAN (not OS dependent), able to access network from outside (not OS dependent), web/webmail already taken care of.

So really I guess I should stick to what I know... unfortunately.. I don't like MS as much anymore

I could always virtualize something on the server

Honestly @ewwhite just having this conversation helped.. I couldn't get through the thought process on my own. Thanks

ewwhite

yeah, I dunno.

I mean, I stick to certain things.

I like Active Directory and Exchange a lot.

I'm a Linux engineer, though...

Storage has too many options...

server hardware options are pretty varied... but I prefer HP

Michael Hampton

And I'm happy to dump MS wherever I can get away with it.

ewwhite

01:24

Cisco ASA 5505 for the small firewalls and VPN capabilities.

APC batteries.

APC racks

HP ProCurve switches

and I use @MichaelHampton to do my hard work.

No Time

I had the ASA 5505 on shopping list. I was going system76, but HP would be ok for server. APC of course :)

ewwhite

in the US?

No Time

I am yeah

ewwhite

(I sell HP at unbeatable prices shill)

No Time

Heh. Not for a little while. I just have to build the network in my head before the business proposal

That's why it's kinda hard I needed to bounce it off someone I guess

You have a site?

ewwhite

01:28

ServerFault usually isn't the place... but if you went to Spiceworks, you'd get all sorts of opinions in how to do this.

@NoTime no, I'm a consultant and offer HP to my customers... but can link you to my vendor.

No Time

Ok

Journeyman Geek

shit. I am being super unproductive today

Jacob

@JourneymanGeek That's OK. I was too.

No Time

@ewwhite Not sure where you want to link it

ewwhite

no, not send a website.. connection. It's old school... we do business over the phone :)

anywho, my flight is landing. Signing off.

No Time

01:33

Ok have fun

I'm off

Jacob

03:57

Ugh

It's like moving to the west coast has ended all of the chat activity

Bob

04:21

What's this about chat activity?

Jacob

@Bob There was marginal amounts today

damn lenovo keyboard

Mark Henderson

04:39

@Jacob I've been too busy to chat lately

Too much work, not enough time to do it all in

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Oh yeah?

Mark Henderson

Believe it or not I do actually work most days

But lately it's been crazy

Jacob

@MarkHenderson It happens

That's the problem falcon has.

Mark Henderson

I've been doing a full 10 hours in the office, then another 2-3 hours at home lately

Jacob

He's been too busy working on redacted

Mark Henderson

04:41

And I now have $160/month in Azure credits. You can't do a whole lot with that, but you can a few tiny VMs

Jacob

@MarkHenderson for work or for fun?

Mark Henderson

I consolidated all our seperate Ubiquiti uniFi controllers into a single controller on Azure so I can configure them all from one location

@Jacob Well I got it as our work now has BizSpark which includes MSDN which include $160/month in credit for Azure. But we have no desire to run anything on there business-wise so I basically have it for myself

I might throw a few DCs up there. Can probably get a few of them in there for free.

But the VPN back to the sites is $30/month/endpoint

Jacob

@MarkHenderson you have ~5 employees? Why do you have several APs?

Mark Henderson

@Jacob We have a lot of clients and we do a lot of stuff for a lot of people

I also put my home ones up there

And yes I am totally flooding my immediate neighbours with my WiFi (but I turned off SSID broadcast on the outside AP, so they won't even know it)

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Did you scan or is that an estimate?

Mark Henderson

04:48

@Jacob Its an estimate calculated by the controller software, based on the known properties of the APs

Its pretty accurate though. By the time I go to the purple bit, I can connect but nothing actually works

As I get into the orange part, it works but is a bit slow

I could get the AP about another 100cm higher, but I couldn't reach to the top of the pole that was there and I'm not brave enough to take stepladder actually onto the roof itself

For some reason my house has a gigantic 300Mhz antenna mounted on a huge pole, so I just re-used that mounting, but couldn't reach the top of it safely

Jacob

Must go exercise...

Bob

s/brave/stupid/

Falcon Momot

DOOM!

Mark Henderson

@Jacob I started Couch 2 5K again the other week. This will be my third time too

First time, I finished it and was doing 5k's three times a week. Then it got cold.
Second time, I got to week 7, then had a baby, and cbf'd

It's a bit like quitting smoking. Each time you do it you get better at it.

Journeyman Geek

05:09

@MarkHenderson: you should get a flagpole. Then run up the AP on it as needed ;p

Falcon Momot

05:27

nice

MichelZ

good morning gentlegirls

ewwhite

05:40

elseif $::operatingsystemmajrelease == 5 {

Ah, misspelled...

Falcon Momot

windows 2000 and XP?

and server 2003 and some things based on it?

Mark Henderson

06:04

My god, does the vmware online store ever work?

9/10 purchases I do end up with bullshit errors

Today it's There is money to authorize, But no Aurthorize delegated were applicable (sic)

Bob

06:35

@MarkHenderson ...translate to English, please?

MichelZ

THE INTERNET IS DOWN!!!!!!!

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i can't reach google

ah, here we go

I was already thinking about suicide

If google is down it must mean the world is coming to an end

Jacob

-_-

Bob

> Symantec: Are you protected from Zeus and Cryptolocker?

...there's another one?

Hm. I'm only finding stuff from 2008/09

Bleh. I should block those emails.

I'm still waiting for someone to get CL and nuke our file server :P

MichelZ

06:53

there are X variants of those

Falcon Momot

07:04

@MarkHenderson ow

Jenny D

morning

Iain

G'day

Falcon Momot

ugh, I can't deal with the close queue lately

so depressing

not even funny anymore

faker

morning

Jenny D

I want to respond to pretty much all of the questions with "You're doing it wrong. Try doing it right instead."

Iain

07:15

@FalconMomot why bad entries in it or the questions are truly bad?

I see that the overall queueueue length is increasing so it seems like more and more people who can are choosing not to review and new people can't because of low rep and inability to gain rep because of paucity of voting

Journeyman Geek

hm

You guys want this? superuser.com/questions/795424/…

@FalconMomot: eh, I sort of gave up on the review queues.

Falcon Momot

@Iain the questions are just pathetic.

@JourneymanGeek sure

Journeyman Geek

(outside, of course, the mod flag queue, and occational regular review queues when I am SUPER boreded)

Iain

@JourneymanGeek snap - audits did it for me

Journeyman Geek

@Iain: thats one of the things.

and (least on SU), ironically its the sheer weight of my modly closevotes.

Falcon Momot

07:30

Your description of the exploit still makes almost no sense (I still think you mean forced browsing, not XSS). However, if I were you, I'd work on securing my application, unless you want to play whack-a-mole with the source until the end of time. Look at your access logs I guess? — Falcon Momot 18 secs ago

my god the guy that's a response to is an idiot

Dennis Nolte

good morning.

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Q: What is logcheck, and why is it consuming 100% CPU out of the blue?

I have a server that's hardly used, basically a fresh linode VPS with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. It has been running for 14 months with hardly a blip in the CPU graphs (2% max, average over 2 hours). Suddenly, the past 2 hours have been at 100%. The culprit is an egrep running by the user logcheck. Most...

ubuntu

lovely question title..

we cannot say hire a sysadmin in comment right?

Falcon Momot

of course we can!

Dennis Nolte

ye but i am sure it gets deleted :( so no reason to do it in the first place

Falcon Momot

by whom?

Dennis Nolte

someone will flag it , and for all i know i do not have yet flagged comments. I would like to keep it that way.

Falcon Momot

07:42

suit yourself.

Dennis Nolte

obviously a dev again.. "freelance web design and development "
fuck them, seriously..

Falcon Momot

ayup

web developers are the worst kind

Iain

meh - just do it or say something like You need to speak to your manager about some much needed education in the tools you are required to use - you desperately need it

Dennis Nolte

@Iain i am not quite at that part i am afraid, you are way ahead of me there :)

Iain

@FalconMomot just like Mondays

Dennis Nolte

07:44

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Q: Simple linux router with two NICs

I tried following the guides to no avail @ - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router - http://www.yourownlinux.com/2013/07/how-to-configure-ubuntu-as-router.html I have a small Linux box with two NICs: Cable modem/router (out of my control) ----> LINUX BOX w/ two NICs: eth2 => connected to ...

linux router

serverfault.com/questions/567857/…

Iain

@DennisNolte why - it is good advice for the $clueless

Dennis Nolte

looking nice, still both shit.

@Iain it is not like they will listen.

Iain

::shrugs::

Dennis Nolte

i was going to answer the "simple router" stuff, but figured out first: way too much work for someone who takes 16 hours reading what? examples, manuals? nothing of that sort?..

ah fuck that, lets get some work done, this is depressing

Iain

@DennisNolte anyone who tries to follow a guide, fails, and comes here for support should be sent right back to the guides author. That that OP tried two different guides and still failed suggests you should just walk away and die a little inside

Falcon Momot

07:49

People need to publish less unofficial step-by-step guides.

MichelZ

@Iain you should definitely not die inside because someone else is too inexperienced (or dumb) to read a guide...

Dennis Nolte

@Iain actually a lot of guides assume you know enough about the topic that you do not need the guide anymore..

Falcon Momot

they encourage people to ignore the docs and ignore the theory.

then they come here "I followed all the magic incantations, why does my thing not work as I imagined?"

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: meh, I think thats a user problem

Falcon Momot

@JourneymanGeek who else are those guides for?

Dennis Nolte

07:50

@JourneymanGeek its all of our problem, just see the bot net servers everywhere..

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: I benefit from them by stopping to understand what I'm doing

but they're a good starting point when learning something new

Dennis Nolte

thats why the victims of the hacks should be punished aswell.. you have a wordpress install somewhere and know nothing how to update or keep the server save? ye thats a large fine you have to pay.

Falcon Momot

@JourneymanGeek if maybe they were less about the steps and more about what was going on maybe I could support that

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: or maybe make people type shit out instead of copypasting them

Falcon Momot

less so with "here is how you forward a port in iptables" without mention of things like first dispositive match.

speaking of iptables, here is my favourite strategy instead of playing the port game and the whack-the-bot game

Journeyman Geek

07:54

ah

Falcon Momot

if you don't do business with anyone in a country, and you don't intend to, use a geoip service and block all traffic from there.

Journeyman Geek

eh

iIt sounds almost like you're bitching about that elasticsearch question on SU

Falcon Momot

then, secure your fucking systems and stop worrying about bots picking off low-hanging fruit.

Journeyman Geek

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Q: Why is elasticsearch user running SSHD?

My home network is frequently down and I've narrowed down the problem to my ubuntu box. $ ps -ef | grep elastic elastic+ 11183 1 0 8월10 ? 00:07:49 [.ECC6DFE919A382] eugenek+ 14482 14453 0 22:08 pts/19 00:00:00 grep elastic elastic+ 20208 1 0 8월07 ? 00:01:35 [.......] ela...

ubuntu rootkit

Dennis Nolte

@FalconMomot wont work if you have business with ppl in china and east europe :)

Journeyman Geek

07:56

eh. I need to do PM on my VPSes.

Falcon Momot

@DennisNolte there are a good number of spambots and rotor00ters everywhere else too

Journeyman Geek

(preventive maintainance, updates and such)

oh, and moving stuff off our mutual acquaintance' VPS.

Falcon Momot

yay

Dennis Nolte

To clean up, kill the offending processes, and delete all of the offending files in /tmp.
ye right..

totally cleanup

lovely

Journeyman Geek

(I have no idea how long the current cosy arrangement we have is going to go on)

Falcon Momot

07:57

rofl

@JourneymanGeek I've not seen her in a while

also not sure about the future of that DC

Journeyman Geek

@DennisNolte: I think you mis-scoped, burn that son of a bitch to the ground.

@FalconMomot: neither is she

Dennis Nolte

@JourneymanGeek SU, not SF :(

Falcon Momot

@JourneymanGeek also the proprietor has the attention span for businesses and projects of a butterfly ;)

Journeyman Geek

da

Dennis Nolte

shit, i still need to answer someone on SU before i can downvote, ah screw it.

Journeyman Geek

07:58

I'll probably move my bouncer to the VPS I run iris on.

Falcon Momot

well

people are all idiots

if we threw all the idiots in jail we would have more people inside than out

also stupid people have rights also I guess ;)

Dennis Nolte

@FalconMomot well, US is going that route, 3 % or something inside jail?

Falcon Momot

@DennisNolte not all of them stupid! they threw weev in jail, for instance.

Dennis Nolte

@FalconMomot agreed.

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: weev is kinda stupid

I mean, rule 0.

Dennis Nolte

08:00

@FalconMomot sadly there is not enough pressure from society and laws for beeing stupid.

Journeyman Geek

don't get caught

Falcon Momot

@JourneymanGeek I'd say more naive than stupid but hey

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: domain specific stupidity? ;p

Falcon Momot

they were going to throw aaron swartz in jail!

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: that was just...

Dennis Nolte

08:01

as i mentioned above, imagine someone has to pay for the damage his hacked server does.. that would mean sooo many joobsss

Journeyman Geek

official penis waving.

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Falcon Momot

@DennisNolte my company is in the business of making that happen sometimes...

not quite like that I suppose

but, when you write vulns and then external security auditors point them out, sometimes things happen ;)

if you obstruct the audit and then also comes a low complexity critical vuln you wrote, sometimes things happen quickly ;)

Bob

Ooh, Tomcat vuln?

I wonder if I'm about to have a "fun" day sometime in the near future.

Falcon Momot

08:28

tomcat is a vuln :P

also a bug :P

in fact, java is a bug

well, I guess all vulns are bugs

except when they are features and then they become bugs anyway

have you ever given any serious thought to being drunk? it's really advisable.

especially when thinking about such things as tomcat and java.

Iain

I can't ever remember giving any thought to tomcat and java when drunk - I guess it works then ;)

Falcon Momot

yup!

MichelZ

08:45

I guess every tomcat/java developer was drunk when giving any thought on developing it

Journeyman Geek

s/Windows Me/java

Iain

09:03

Anyone got any favourite .eu hosting providers ?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I like transip for vps and domains

Iain

@DennisKaarsemaker what about whole servers ?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

Very little experience with that. I never did whole servers myself, and work needs are obviously way different :)

hetzner seems popular though

Iain

this will apparently be a backup system for one that's already in hetzner so they're out

MichelZ

1&1 is popular too I guess

never used them tough

Dennis Kaarsemaker

09:14

I'd avoid 1&1

all I hear about them is the humongous amount of spam coming from servers hosted there

even if it's not their fault, their IP reputation is utterly shot.

faker

I have physical servers at Hetzner and VPS at hosteurope

much more problems with Hetzner than HE

Falcon Momot

hmm, it's really hard to find a recent source showing in any detail that java is unsuitable as a computer science teaching language

Dennis Nolte

@faker i can second hosteurope, while you should be certain you do not want to upgrade your server afterwards, pretty expensive but never had "real" issues with them for the last ~8 years (private + company)

@faker Hetzner: same shit as strato or server4you.. how the hell did united internet get so big?.. Sadly i did not invest read money in their stock ~5 years ago..

Jenny D

10:17

@Iain I like glesys.com for VPS

Nick

@Iain I use digitalocean.com most of the time

Iain

@JennyD Cheers

@Nick I like DO too but not for this - needs to be physical

Nick

@Iain you mean dedicated servers? hmm no idea then

Jenny D

IIRC husband and I have got four VPSes with them now - one for mail, Usenet and primary DNS, one secondary DNS, and one each for our own web and development stuff.

We've had no problems at all with them, and we've used them for a couple of years at least. Plus they offer FreeBSD in addition to Linux. Me like.

faker

a lot of sites (like ebay.de) are not accessibly from our office - I'd just like one normal day without emergencies :/

Mathias R. Jessen

10:34

@Iain colo, managed or something in between?

Iain

@MathiasR.Jessen unmanaged bare metal sort of thing

Mathias R. Jessen

@Iain Hetzner is huge and alright on price, but the customer experience is... shall we say "varying"

Iain

@MathiasR.Jessen yes I have heard and seen on the front page stories about hetzner. This is apparently a server to act as a backup for one already in a hetzner DC so it needs to be with someone else

Mathias R. Jessen

@Iain I've had pretty good experiences with Bahnhof in sweden, but only virtual servers. All reliable providers I know of here in Denmark are pretty pricey

Iain

how pricey ?

Mathias R. Jessen

10:44

3-4x Hetzner

Iain

perhaps more pricey than will be acceptable

Jenny D

@MathiasR.Jessen I've heard bad things about their abuse response

Iain

@MathiasR.Jessen and I think the customer experience is a lot to do with $cluelessness

Jenny D

@MathiasR.Jessen Bahnhof are not only good, they're Good. They spend a lot of energy working to keep an open internet and generally oppose helping the NSA spy on us.

Mathias R. Jessen

@JennyD Well, having had WikiLeaks and the bay hosted @ Pionen says it all ;)

Jenny D

10:50

@MathiasR.Jessen I've a friend who was sysadmin at an other big company that was hosted @ Bahnhof. He happened to be in the datacenter when the police raided the Bay... he only narrowly managed to keep his company's stuff out of the raid. They weren't being very careful to only take the TPB servers.

Mathias R. Jessen

@JennyD Not surprising. Another example of massive $cluelessness

tombull89

I have 1and1 for domain and web hosting - I've been with them for just over 8 years. Never had any isues.

I've also recently got a dedicated through SoYouStart (sister company to OVH) and they're okay. I did look at Hetzner as well - some of their auction servers are quite good (well, the price of the servers drop until they're all gone).

@MathiasR.Jessen Bahnhof have the awesome datacenter that looks like a Bond Villian Lair.

Mathias R. Jessen

@tombull89 Yup, Pionen, built into solid granite rock. I actually have a voucher from Bahnhof for a free tour through it should I ever come to Stockholm :D

tombull89

@MathiasR.Jessen that would be something seriously worth doing

Iain

11:15

@MathiasR.Jessen name some names for providers in denmark

tombull89

is there something in the water at the moment? pregnancy annoucements and babies are popping up on facebook at a rapid rate currently.

Dennis Nolte

@tombull89 well, the cannot hide their christmas fucks anymore..

tombull89

I guess Santa wasn't the only thing coming.

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(something something something emptying sack)

2

pauska

11:52

work work

Nathan C

morning

Jenny D

@tombull89 One of my exes was born on September 24th. For some reason he found it a bit embarrassing when I called him a Christmas present...

Nathan C

12:08

A comedy legend was lost yesterday... but I'm sure everyone knows one way or another

pauska

@NathanC :(

MichelZ

:(

cole

sup

@NathanC I'm so sad about that

Nathan C

@cole Right? His movies summed up my childhood in a way

cole

@NathanC yup

HopelessN00b

12:18

@NathanC Yeah, thta was some depressing news to wake up to.

Nathan C

This video was mentioned in one of the articles I was reading about it...gives a whole new perspective to depression. (Note: Prepare a tissue, you'll probably need it)

cole

12:41

I want...2 of these:newegg.com/Product/…-EMC-081214-Index--LCDMonitors-_-24260109-‌L0A

I'm really tempted to buy 2 to replace my shitty 5-6 year old LCDs

but they're not VESA mountable

faker

Ticket opened at our datacenter provider "Users cannot reach our websites anymore from several locations, we see packets getting dropped by the managed firewall which appear to be legit, what is going on?!?" -- response "oh yeah, we have connectivity issues at the moment"

well great! Maybe tell us once you notice it and don't let us waste time investigating it also! ffs!

Mathias R. Jessen

@faker ebay.de is still inaccessible from here

faker

@MathiasR.Jessen oh, you have that too? Which provider if I may ask?

pauska

@cole I want 2x DELL U2713HM

we get them for $495 excl VAT/shipping

Mathias R. Jessen

@faker TDC backbone here in DK, don't know who we're peering with though

ewwhite

12:47

The lessons of Logicworks continue to benefit the public...

I was able to acces the env from vSphere and there were a 4G memory resource limit set on the VM. Raising it solved th problem, thank you! — TewWe 3 mins ago

cole

@pauska $119 isn't bad for these I don't think.

faker

@MathiasR.Jessen strange, ebay.de works again from here (Colt is our ISP) since a few minutes or so

pauska

@cole $119 for an IPS is good value..

cole

@pauska hmm..trying hard to not pull the trigger

on at least 1

my yellowing westinghouse and my hannspree with about 20 burnt pixels kinda sucks

pauska

We're using Dell monitors exclusively here.. the U2412M is great value compared to the picture quality

cole

12:52

We only buy Dell monitors/computers.

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