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14:05
@BigHomie giggity?
lol I suppose, I am married.
what's up w/ Chrome and PDFs?
Most of the frameworks I've looked into fall into one of two categories: 1. Tries to do ALL THE THINGS - does none of them particularly well, usually has a huge memory footprint 2. Agile development cycle with nearly nightly builds, so frequent that I have no idea how you could ever build a production system from it - everything's in constant flux, features add/change/removed regularly, compatibility issues, etc, etc
@BigHomie What?
@BigHomie Jim doesn't like them
May 29 at 13:43, by Nathan C
heh, tried to load a PDF and it nuked half my chrome tabs
same here @NathanC
Let me try loading a PDF
14:13
Oh... Works fine for me - I don't usually use Chrome, maybe it's a problem that manifests itself after Chrome's been running for a while.
Works fine for me too.
@BigHomie When I reloaded it worked fine ...seems to be random
It hasn't happened in a few days
I can open PDFs in chrome if they're on my machine, but if it's hosted somewhere it doesn't load.
Also, @BigHomie I just watched a 30 minute video on CoreOS. I like it.
@ChrisS that could be, memory hog of death, it's only been running for over 1/2 a day.
@mossy Yeah, I think I wanna eval it, sadly I do not own a cloud.
Try to open a slightly larger PDF from some server
> Jim is dead
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14:16
RIP jim
@BigHomie facebook used to have a nasty memory leak in chrome...eventually the process hosting the tab would eat up ~2 GB of RAM
it'd be too slow to work with so it eventually just crashed on its own
Hey you know how we're always complaining about devs trying to do our job, and using their tools to do it badly? Take a look at a line of code I'm putting into a program I'm developing for my operations: ssh root@$nas lun show| awk '{print $1}'| sed 's/\(\/vol\/\)\(.*\/\)\(.*\)/\1\2/g'
the length of the unreadable alphabet soup after that pipe to sed is longer than the actual command
Maintainable code? This bad boy is self-documenting.
That screams YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
but, since I don't actually know what you're doing, it may very well be the only way.
hey it's @Basil!
14:30
It's not the only way, but it's the way I know
BACKREFERENCES ARE GOD'S PLAN
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@cole Heya
I don't feel like doing shit today.
I was just very disappointed going into the help desk area and there were no more Swedish Fish. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
@cole Tell me about it. I got like 17 minutes of sleep last night. With my already-low motivation, it was an epic battle to crawl out of bed and come into work 2 hours late.
Bob
Bob
@Basil Preeeetty sure that'd be more readable with PCREs, or at least EREs.
My head feels like there's a weight tied to it
@HopelessN00b I'm leaving at 3 today to go to the Harpoon Brewery for a vendor thing (hooray free beer) and tomorrow starts my vaca - so I have a severe case of the fuckits
14:34
._.
@NathanC that's somebody's fetish!
I hate headaches. At least it's not a hangover because I had a whole one drink last night (roommate's 21st birthday, birthday shots ftw!)
I get migraines, so I feel you.
Bob
Bob
ERE version: `s/(\/vol\/)(.*\/)(.*)/\1\2/g`
Alternative assuming you know how sed works: `s!(/vol/)(.*/)(.*)!\1\2!g`
Tomorrow will be my longest flight ever, worried I'll get a migraine
14:37
@cole Pre-medicate! :p
@cole where are you headed?
My girlfriend did that (she gets really bad migraines and has a perscription) when she flew for the first time and was fine
@JennyD Seattle
@NathanC I was fine on my way to Colorado but I've been getting headaches a lot lately (and dizzy)
@cole hope you have a nice trip!
@cole Do you have glasses or had an eye exam recently?
My headaches used to be 10x worse before I had glasses...eye-strain is a very good way to get them constantly
14:40
@JennyD thank you!
@NathanC "I'm not sleeping on the job, I'm treating my eye-strain!"
@NathanC I do have glasses/wear contacts/had an eye exam within the year
What I would like to know is
Why the hell my cat is so fucking cute
@cole Evolutionary survival mechanism.
& large
@BigHomie Run it locally.
14:42
@cole Heh, both of my cats' stomachs almost drag on the floor...it's kinda hilarious
@NathanC it's not just that he's fat but just big
@cole The bigger they are, the more effective they are at knocking over everything :p
And he does.
@cole Because it's a cat. Duh.
14:46
@cole One of my cats likes to knock over sodas and cups. But, only mine. lol
but he is cute
@cole I want a kitty now :z
But, I suppose a couple guinea pigs will do lol
@mossy yeah I probably will, but I won't get the cloud 'effect'
@cole i.imgur.com/FkYAnpq.jpg an older pic of them :p
dawww!
Now you must shave one or both of them though
Shaved guinea pig = baby hippo
I had guinea pigs growing up, but man do they stink.
14:55
Someone forgot to tell him that Maine Coons don't climb
I love maine coons!
@cole hahaha, my roommates want to shave them...
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@cole He's very special
@NathanC DO IT OR I'M DRIVING UP THERE MYSELF
14:57
Damnit Chrome, display the damn PDF
Our HP ML350 has an amber internal monitoring light...
But i can't take it offline because it's our mail server >.<
Bob
Bob
@NathanC Don't worry, it might take itself offline soon!
Of course, the manual for this model shows a completely different picture than what i have
@cole Oh nice, finally making it out to the west coast?
@Bob What are those?
@Tanner yeah I'll be there tomorrow.
@Tanner where are you at in WA? I have a rental and I'm staying in Issaquah if you wanna hang out and get a beer or 17.
Bob
Bob
15:03
@Basil Perl-compatible regex, Extended regex (POSIX). What you're using is a BRE, basic regex (POSIX). sed defaults to BRE, takes the -e flag for ERE and GNU sed takes -p for PCRE
@cole haha, I'll have to mob on out there. I'm in Wenatchee, couple hours away.
How long you going to be around?
I leave Tuesday the 10th at 745AM
I'm waiting for a quote from EMC to add a new disk shelf with eMLC SSD's. In other words I'm waiting to get raped.
Someone get the lube for @pauska
& Plan B
@Bob Ah. I'm a user, not a sysadmin, on our AIX here.
15:13
@cole Right on. I can probably head over Saturday or Sunday. Got anything planned with the other Server Fault Seattleites?
@Tanner nothing definite yet - need to find out @RyJones and @Magellan's availability
Rough bill:
So, figured out the amber light. One of the RAM modules wasn't seated all the way (lolwut) so it was an amber light near the problem module
Shut it down, re-seated the module, it's happy. Funny enough, the RAM actually worked properly and was reporting fine to CentOS...no idea how.
a ram module doesn't just pop out on it's own
15:29
Why is everything in Australia so deadly
The cassowaries (IPA: /,kæsɵwæri/) are ratites (flightless birds without a keel on their sternum bone) in the genus Casuarius native to the tropical forests of New Guinea, nearby islands, and northeastern Australia. There are three extant species recognized today. The most common of these, the southern cassowary, is the third tallest and second heaviest living bird, smaller only than the ostrich and emu. Cassowaries feed mainly on fruit, although all species are truly omnivorous and will take a range of other plant food including shoots, grass seeds, and fungi in addition to invertebrat...
@pauska I have no idea how it happened...and it was just enough that when I pushed on the module I heard the click of the clips..
but the module was still functioning even like that
> This bird is considered to be the most dangerous bird in the world, with a criminal record deserving (in the human kingdom anyway) of outright capital punishment. Common to New Guinea (do not go there for the birds!), this bird has a 5 inch-long dagger-like claw attached to its second claw that can kill a man (and has before!). Their legs are ridiculously powerful, can kick humans (and dogs) with violent force, and can run at speeds up to 31 MPH.
@BigHomie There's only one documented death from one of those over 80 years ago
@NathanC That's b/c everyone who was around to confirm them were killed.
They also usually only attack if provoked anyway...so leave them alone and they won't stab you to death
:p
15:35
@cole Call and ask for an extension
@mossy I might need to
My previous balance was $797
Bob
Bob
@BigHomie See: the emu war
we lost :(
The Emu War, also known as the Great Emu War, was a nuisance wildlife management operation undertaken in Australia over the latter part of 1932 to address public concern over the number of emus said to be running amok in the Campion district of Western Australia. The attempts to curb the population of emus, a large flightless bird indigenous to Australia, employed soldiers armed with machine guns—leading the media to adopt the name "Emu War" when referring to the incident. Background Following World War I, large numbers of ex-soldiers from Australia, along with a number of British vet...
@cole :(
This is new...
Jun  3 08:34:51 LA_Specialty_Web dovecot: IMAP(mike.massie): mbox /home/mike.massie/mail/Deleted Messages: seq=1 uid=111951 uid_broken=0 originally needed 79 bytes, now needs 78 bytes
Jun  3 08:34:51 LA_Specialty_Web dovecot: IMAP(mike.massie): Raw backtrace: imap [0x461b4e] -> imap [0x4618bc] -> imap(mbox_sync_rewrite+0x5e3) [0x4344a3] -> imap [0x42f5c0] -> imap(mbox_sync+0x428) [0x4309a8] -> imap(mbox_transaction_commit+0xae) [0x429b5e] -> imap(cmd_copy+0x2d7) [0x411fd7] -> imap(cmd_uid+0x48) [0x4152a8] -> imap [0x4157a7] -> imap [0x415839] -> imap(_client_input+0x6d) [0x415e7d] -> imap(i
@mossy luckily, Corporate Card
So I didn't pay it lol
That was from LOPSA East
15:40
Who could harm a face like that?
i see what they did there
Bob
Bob
@mossy Gmail put an email from Google Analytics ("Get more customers to your site with $125 worth of free ad credit") in the spam folder.
@Bob Good.
Bob
Bob
I'm surprised it did that.
Hate those
Bob
Bob
15:47
@mossy Incidentally, I have an identical email O_O
First penis-enhancement email in five years of using this account too.
lol
Your friend Zackery is "doing fucking fonts" - hot.
@cole Apparently his friend Dennis is twerkin', wonder how that works.
and Matt is possibly doing something with Shit.
@mossy WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE DO YOU HANG AROUND WITH?!
WHO IS CALLING ME FROM A +678
oh my god it's so cute: i.imgur.com/v6DGjdO.gif
15:57
haha
@BigHomie I'd eat it...
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Q: How do you stop a hacker when their IP is 0.0.0.0?

ovtorneWordfence reports the following visitor: An unknown location at IP 0.0.0.0 visited 4 hours 45 mins ago IP: 0.0.0.0 Browser: Baiduspider version 2.0 Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Baiduspider/2.0; +http://www.baidu.com/search/spider.html) An unknown location at IP 0.0.0.0 visited 4 hours 45 mins ag...

@Jacob Saw that yesterday, funny
@Jacob Stupid, avoidable bug.
Man, I forgot how much I love the deftones
16:08
Would you drop a client for not listening to you? @MichaelHampton
Nothing like booting up an XP machine that hasn't been awake in half a decade.
@ewwhite If they persisted, then I'd consider it.
@ewwhite Routinely making bad decisions? Probably. But, if they're doing that, are they really my client to being with?
@MichaelHampton It's this client...
They need a new server. I quoted them in Feb and March...
and the VP won't engage
he says "I'm busy with running the business because our controller is out on maternity leave"
@ewwhite "If you don't listen to me, your business may not be running tomorrow."
16:13
"And despite what you think, the computer is not the end-all/be-all of this organization"
@ewwhite cutting the check is running the business.
I sent him quotes for everything... and really just need him to execute.
it's not like he has a choice in the matter... "Oh, I think I'd prefer 15k SAS disks instead of 10k"
Bob
Bob
@ewwhite I need to set up some fancy logging/charting stuff sometime :P
so this person is out on maternity leave until the end of the month... and the client is unwilling to do anything until then
@ewwhite explain what services will be effected should the server fail (if you haven't already), ~how much that would cost the company if you have that info (if you haven't already, and I know you probably have), then wash your hands with it.
16:15
It's the clients choice if they wanna upgrade or not
maybe it's running good enough for them (even with the high io load)
Oh, I told them what's wrong.
and that I have no options
Just wait until it falls over and bill their asses for the work?
@pauska it's not running well
@ewwhite What's the risk if he doesn't do anything until then?
they pay me monthly, and have been short-paying my invoices by $1100/mo as well
Bob
Bob
16:16
@pauska "Why didn't you warn us??"
@Bob He did warn them
@MichaelHampton well, I've told the software company to stop performing work... because any mistake could lead to irreparable data corruption
You've warned them twice, and they won't budge.. so let them have their slow system?
Bob
Bob
@pauska Doesn't mean they won't complain like that anyway.
they have about 50GB of free space on their 1.1TB volume
16:17
@pauska if it being slow were only the case
@Bob honestly not much you can do then..
and that's smaller than the largest data file...
so if the system crashes, they won't be able to recover (need to have enough space to copy affected data files)
They don't have backups?
the light-blue line... every week, the DR replication process fails because the files can't be checksummed
@pauska nope...
just offsite mirror servers...
and 14 days retention
(but recovery means copying 800GB of data back from my data center to their site)
one week replication schedule with no backups?
16:19
@pauska 10 minute replication RPO
but weekly audits of the data to test consistency
ah.
I told them that it's not fair to me as an engineer to have to support something that I can't correct
and to be expected to put other paying and loyal clients on hold for the inevitable time-bomb of this environment
Oh...awesome...email's been backed up for the past hour because clamav didn't start up
as long as you have a solid-proof contract and that you can prove that you've warned them multiple times with the possibility of a meltdown.. I'm not sure what else you can do
dropping them would only leave you with less money
our e-mail and internet got upfucked when our ISP screwed something up which screwed our Barracuda up D:
16:21
@NathanC something to put on your "stuff to monitor" list then :)
@pauska so just sit back and collect?
@ewwhite would dropping the client be any better?..
@ewwhite Yeah, in that circumstance I'd be a bit insistent too. Just be aware that they know the risk to their business, and if they accept it...then sit back, relax and watch the fireworks.
as long as they're aware that you can't prevent it and they still pay you.. sure, why not let them give you free money
@pauska Indeed. Sad part is, over half the mail's spam
16:22
@MichaelHampton they know the risk... or at least I've been clear about it
@NathanC eww. I stopped handling spam mails 8 years ago.
hosted antispam/virii ftw
but they've been spoiled by me always finding a way to get around problems
@mossy Chiraq is spreading!
16:24
@ewwhite Nothing more to do, then.
> "Unmonitored and unrestricted access to the Internet by children is a growing and alarming problem," he said.
@MichaelHampton so you wouldn't be annoyed/pissed/upset?
@BigHomie "According to the criminal complaint, one of the girls told police they were trying to prove that the Slender Man, a fictitious Internet character, was real, according to local media reports. The idea allegedly was to kill as the Slender Man to prove his existence."
Wow.
@ewwhite Sure I'd be upset. But I think you've done all you can.
@MikeyB Since the girl survived, hopefully they realize he indeed does not exist.
16:27
@MichaelHampton sniffle
okay :(
@MichaelHampton @ewwhite At some point you have to step back and say "I tried to help them, they didn't want my help. I'm not going to take it personally and I'm going to move on."
@MikeyB what is "moving on"?
@ewwhite Letting them fail.
@MikeyB but they still pay, kinda.
so just let it crash/burn
@ewwhite he means "whatever happens happens". This might involve dude coming to his senses, or the head honcho coming back and ripping him a new one then ordering the equipment, or yeah, them failing.
16:29
and maybe best-effort
@ewwhite I know, you feel like it's your baby, huh
Are we keeping livestock or pets here?
It's embarrassing to have my name on this shit
@ewwhite You're just a consultant though, it's not like it's your system. They bought it from you, it's theirs.
Other clients pretty much do what I say... if they have questions/concerns, we work it out. Easy to justify with historical metrics
16:30
Send a certified letter saying "I advise you thusly, if you don't take the following actions these could be the results."
If nothing else, the fact that it's certified may make him sit up and take notice. "Huh? Why is @ewwhite sending me a tracked document… oh shit…"
Then you let whatever happens happen.
@MikeyB my lawyer suggested that
@ewwhite Damn I'm good.
@ewwhite Yeah, if YOU could be in shit if it dies, then I'd do that.
@MichaelHampton right, I asked attorney because of the liability
I'm glad most of my clients listen to me.
16:32
@MichaelHampton this place used to.
@ewwhite Do they have a "local IT guy" whispering in their ears now?
@MichaelHampton nope
I'm it.
@ewwhite Maybe you're a victim of your own success then, and they think you can do ANYTHING.
The VP seriously just is overwhelmed because he's covering for the controller.
maybe something else is happening in the business... but they're growing
I could go to the owner... but that would be a bad political move
@MichaelHampton He can. He can do absolutely anything. He's an expert.
16:35
@ewwhite Well if he's just overwhelmed, then I probably wouldn't be too upset. Both those jobs can be 100 hour weeks by themselves...
@MichaelHampton then green light the hardware changes and let me deal with it
I'm not asking for a discussion about what I quoted... I gave them $100k in quotes, breaking it down into projects and what needed to be done in which order, with which dependencies.
@ewwhite You'd think.
But do you really know everything of what's going on there?
@MichaelHampton no... but that's not my problem if it's not communicated
@ewwhite You don't want to give up on them. In that case, forget what we're saying and go harder. See him in person, schedule multiple meetings to discuss this. Remind him time and time again what will happen should this not get done, in terms of dollars and cents, that's the common language.
@BigHomie I went to the site to try to meet him in person... he refused to meet
But other employees told me about what was happening in the firm.
lots of growth, new warehouses... I was dealing with cabling contractors, new wireless AP installs, etc... but piecemeal, without seeing the bigger picture
total communication issue
and I'm so tempted to just turn things off.
DNS... gone... website... gone
but that's unethical, right?
16:42
@ewwhite yep, however if they have a substantial balance, you have to eat.
Hisss!!
@BigHomie $6k and counting
So, I'd say it's not unethical if it comes w/out warning. Your service is no different than gas and water, what happens if you are past due $6k on those?
I'd give them a definitive warning about breach of contract etc yada yada and a week to sort it out before you hit the power switch
I'm not a d**k, and wouldn't want to be one w/ customers, but I guess they have to know where you stand. Hope I don't have to take my own advice one day lol.
Think normalcy and sanity will return when the controller comes back?
16:44
@Tanner maybe? I'll give it until then.
but seriously, that's no way to treat your vendor
I know when our controller goes on vacation shit hits the fan. People cry, things catch on fire...
Maternity leave seems to be an issue
Anyone here a gardener?
@Soviero I do a little, whatcha need
I've already asked the question elsewhere, but I trust the opinions of those here over those in other places: city-data.com/forum/austin/2131198-removing-small-roots.html
16:50
@Soviero mattock
@Iain WTF is a mattock?
@Soviero matt's cock
@pauska I don't know how useful that would be in removing roots, but I suppose if you tried hard enough...
@Iain There aren't power tools for this sort of thing, I am a sysadmin, I'm not giving up on my electric minions at home just yet.
16:53
@Soviero stump grinder
@Iain Those don't go underground do they?
@Tanner Uh, No.
@Soviero I saw some viagra ads up here in the log, maybe that'll help
@Soviero just roots? Dude, use an axe.
I thought you had real problems.
an inch in diameter? rofl
16:56
@BigHomie That's why I wanted to use a tiller, because it seemed easier than a pickaxe
Bob
Bob
@Iain mattocks are a bit of a pain to cut through roots with, depending on the hardness
I think I spent half an hour hacking away at a 10cm diameter one before
For smallish roots I'd use a mattock or a spade
@Iain Would a tiller even work for this?
@Soviero certain tillers aren't made for roots. The ones that are are far too expensive to rent for 1 inch roots. Go out there on a good day and put some man strength in it. Also, I onebox'd a pick mattock, not a pickaxe, and when I said axe I was referring to a traditional axe.
16:58
@Soviero if it were a petrol one it might but I dunno
@Soviero certain tillers meaning the smaller ones, trust me, they'll just bounce off the roots and wear you out even more. they can barely crack hard soil, let alone roots.
Use an axe, it'll take < 2 mins per root.
@BigHomie I have no man strenghth, Just from mowing my tiny lawn, my hands hurt, and I'm sore today.
no idea why hotlinking stopped working, do you see the pic?
16:59
@pauska it requires http in the beginning, but I saw it. Is that... algae?
@BigHomie buddy of mine who took it.. a farmer mixed up cellulose and grass seed and sprayed it out with some kind of tractor equipment
it's what they use on golf courses
@Soviero well then call somebody to do it, and let them overcharge you.
@pauska Is that like an accelerated growth thing?
@BigHomie yes
@BigHomie We have undocumented citizens who will rebuild a house for a dollar...
17:01
@Soviero lol
Bob
Bob
@Soviero get a better mower? :P
some mowers vibrate excessively
painful to hold for long
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@Bob No, my hands are covered in blisters... And they're bloody in a few places from pulling roots, it's not the mower that's the problem.
Bob
Bob
...no idea why that was starred
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@Bob Probably a sex thing...
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@Soviero ... Gloves?
17:05
@BigHomie Hindsight's 20/20, yes. I've never done yard work before. I haven't learned all the rules yet.
Did someone say a sex thing?
@Soviero I've been there. First rule, tools are king. Buy the right tool for the right job. In your case, I'd start with a cheap pair of gloves and an axe. That's all I have to say about that.
starwhores
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@pauska Welcome to starwhoredom...
Too many stars!
17:10
"Preparing for the Imminent Terabit DDoS Attack"
I'm off to lunch
A long time ago, in a chat room far, far away....

It is a period of civil war. Rebel SysAdmins, striking from a hidden datacenter,
have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire.
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Bob
Bob
@BigHomie Better or worse than rm?
17:22
^For anyone who hasn't seen it yet... skipped to the part relevant to the News Story
@Bob haha depends on who you ask, I say worse
@Bob have fun trying to run any setuid programs after that. Such as login.
mornin gents
@Magellan Hello
sup @Magellan
17:25
@MikeyB @Bob at least w/ rm you know right away the system is hosed. W/ this you just run into obscure problems w/ everything
@basil I see you're interested on that question as well.
@cole lol that's awesome
Huh, nice to know that I just meet the requirements to be an astronaut - min. height is 58.5"
I'm 61.75"
17:43
If you haven't let the FCC know how to feel about Net Neutrality please do so now: fcc.gov/comments
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@ChrisS Is it back up?
@MichaelHampton Working right now... Very slow, but works.
I've decided I don't like the term "carrier grade NAT." What's carrier grade about a nasty kludge?
@cole I love that image
17:52
@MichaelHampton Wørd! I like the term Giant Octopus Multiverse better
@MichaelHampton Enterprise level hoopties run better than consumer grade hoopties, right?
nothing like DDOS'ing the FCC.
Stickin it to the man, one comment at a time.
@ewwhite It's nice to see one that's well asked :)
@MichaelHampton ipv4 4 lyfe
ipv4 is love
ipv4 is life
@Basil IPv4 belongs in a museum!
@Magellan do you have any idea what days you'd be available to hang this week/weekend? @Tanner said he could do the weekend at some point.

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