On a brighter note, it appears that your good buddy's bid for running was rejected before the vote process.

superuser.com/election

@dawud yeah...

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork 86 upvotes for SU mod, not bad....

on a different note, I just got an aquarium :)

I wanna get a saltwater set up

im finally at a point where I can keep it up

something like this

heh... out of context quote damn it!

@MattBear I want a freshwater version of that... I've always preferred the muted look of freshwater tanks, saltwater looks too chaotic.

@KevinSoviero I always liked the saltwater tanks, freshwater is a lot easier though

I want to have stingrays, and other things

@MattBear My dream fishtank would have lots of plans, snails, and schools of tetras.

@MattBear How about this? whyismyfishtankcloudy.com/wp-content/gallery/…

@KevinSoviero haha I saw that

liveaquaria.com/product/collectors_corner.cfm

saltwater options

homeaquaria.com/best-freshwater-aquarium-fish

freshwater

saltwater is so much prettier, and so many more options

I want to get a 20,000 gallon tank, and raise trout

@MattBear oooh, cool

I want this guy

150$ a piece

@DanilaLadner christ

New Jersey sucks.

well actually on internet it is 100$ liveaquaria.com/product/…

but i never bought fish on the internet

@DanilaLadner For $100 you could buy a bottle of scotch that I guarantee tastes better than that fish, and is way more fun.

@MattBear I want to hug it!

@freiheit Why not both

(end my pain, fish of death!)

@freiheit Oh i do not eat them.

false dichotomy I say!

"It patches the TCP segment list overflow bug in the kernel. It does this whenever it is told...."

@voretaq7 You and your horny balls.

Every time I get a shell on pfSense it takes a minute to remember "Shit, this isn't the filesystem I'm used to."

I have made it successfully to NJ and my hotel room

@cole Nice!

@Wesley strava.com/activities/136302928 cc @faker @ward @ewwhite @freiheit - quick group riding tonight :)

@voretaq7 Just curious, when you signed on to your current workplace, were they already an established BSD shop, or did you gradually lay the law down and were given the leeway to mold the platform as you saw fit?

@Iain Back in the saddle again? Yay.

Everyone here is making me look bad.

@Wesley ready for a nap now

Not that that's difficult to do.

@cole Driving is surprisingly tiring for a dormant activity.

@Wesley When I started here they had a few FreeBSD machines and a variety of mismatched-version debian and CentOS systems

It's actually a pretty nice hotel room

I declared standardization and ripped out the Linux shit with great violence, and we haven't had major unscheduled outages since

@voretaq7 It seems like BSD is a harder sell simply because of no brand / name recognition by suits. At least suits know the name "Linux" and maybe "Ubuntu" or "RedHat".

@Wesley you need to get your arse back on that bike too

@Iain Yes mother.

@Iain Nice

@freiheit how's the training for the century going ?

@Iain nationalbikechallenge.org

@freiheit Metric or Imperial?

@Iain Terribly. :)

Man, what an awesome time to be alive. An hour ago, I was at work, and life sucked.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Doesn't matter got paid.

@Wesley I've done a ton of metrics. Want to get to an imperial this year.

@freiheit Pedal harder, tubby.

=P

But now I'm at home, and the package I ordered on Monday is here! A kilo of drugs and like 200 magnet/toys for 50 bucks.

Thank you Amazon.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Those aren't drugs, that's green tea and you steep it not smoke it.

@Wesley No, actually, it's a kilo of pharma-grade caffeine.

I'm gonna put it in little baggies and leave it around my desk at the office for laughs.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Oh nice. I was looking into it in powdered form. I take pills now.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork You've decided to give up entirely on sleep for a couple of years?

I take caffeine pills with black coffee, so I think I have a problem.

@freiheit Actually, spiking my ecig nicotine juice with it so I can get off of Mountain Dew and Monster.

I wonder what inhaling my morning pick-me-up is gonna do.... but no time to find out like a Friday.

Dammit Cheezeburger, just hotlink protect with swapped gay porn like a normal sysadmin, not that obfuscated URL shit.

@voretaq7 Free or OpenBSD for your servers?

@Wesley If you're working in an organization where decisions are made by people that can't recognize the technical merits of the operating systems being proposed it's time for a new job...

@Wesley FreeBSD because it's what I'm most comfortable with (and because while OpenBSD is generally excellent, Theo is an ass. Support from the FreeBSD project is miles better.)

=P

@Wesley hey, if you want to work for micromanaging idiots that's on you kitty :)

...aaaaand this is why I keep coming back to ServeFault. No matter how much I think my job sucks, there's always someone else who has it worse. Sometimes, it's even someone besides @cole .

@voretaq7 I want to work for people who pay me.

And @HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork gets banned again in 3... 2...

=P

Yessss it wasn't me this time!

@Wesley But I didn't tell him to get a new job. I gave him a suggestion on making his current job more worthwhile!

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork You might want to tone that down just a little for the main site otherwise I'mma have to delete it for blatant violation of the "we try not to curse on main" rule :P

@voretaq7 But really, I don't expect suits to know brands, but I do expect them to want to be "hip" in the sense that they feel comfort when they see Cisco because it has ads printed in their in-flight magazines. I get it. I expect them to trust me enough to let me have final say, but when I say "Nah, Juniper" I wouldn't expect them to say "Meh, whatever" but rather "Okay, explain why for the same price we aren't getting a more recognized brand?"

Hm, Google recruiter reached out to me.

@Wesley I don't mind if they ask for a feature or price comparison.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Fornicate. Fornicate with himself.

@Wesley Well, yeah, but that's definitely not what I'd say to my boss. I don't wanna lie to the poor guy.

@voretaq7 So if I said "Nah, no RedHat. We're going FreeBSD." I'd expect there to be a bit of executive brow furrowing if they weren't already using it somehow.

@cole Hell, screw the asshats you work for, go make some real money at a job you hate! :)

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork it's in CA.

all set

@voretaq7 Anyway, that's why I was curious. I was perusing the BSD distros while I ate a late lunch and wondered what uptake in real businesses was like and how one sold that idea.

@cole So, perfect for you, right?

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork No, fuck CA.

@cole Oh, well that's my feeling on CA too, yeah. Any place that charges $2500 a month for a 400 sq ft apartment and a 3 hour commute to work, for that matter.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Boston is similar

and without the nice weather.

@Wesley It very much depends on the business. ISPs use a lot of *BSD (I see mainly FreeBSD), Hudson River Trading is still a big BSD shop, NetApp gear is BSD-based still IIRC.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Well, don't live in SF and commute to SiliValley, then. CA is a rather big state, and it's not all like that. :)

I usually point people to freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors when they ask "well who uses this?"

@voretaq7 oooOOOooo, nice.

@cole Yeah, as much as Ohio sucks, I'm constantly amazed by all the places in this country, even, that suck more.

I really think I may start looking.

I've told my manager that the dude who i had an issue with has just gotten worse

Uranium level donor? Really? Wow, definitely need help in the marketing department.

he agreed

@freiheit Right, but if it's a Google job, I don't think you can get out of the SiliValley commute.

What comes after Uranium, depleted uranium?

Mountain View, CA - I don't even know where that is.

@Wesley Idunno, donate $500,000 and see if they make a new tier for you :-)

@Wesley Plutonium. Wipe out an entire city with your BSD donation.... or something.

@cole SiliValley, ya. Google HQ.

@cole Bay Area

$$$$$

@cole And is he gonna do something about the jackass, or just... agree that the jackass is being more jackassly?

@voretaq7 Wow, an anon donor made a Uranium level donation in 2012!

Wonder who.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork In addition to the SiliValley office, they have an SF office, an LA office and an Irvine office (LA area, but not LA proper). Really depends what function you have for Google what offices you could work in.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork he keeps saying he will, but he doesn't.

@Wesley someone with more money than me :P

@cole Mountain View is indistinguishable from Santa Clara and San Jose.

Ah

@freiheit Well, don't know much about Irvine, but aren't all those areas hellaciously expensive, and commute-intensive?

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Well, you can kinda pick... You could live and work in SF to get just hellaciously expensive tiny living, but be within a few miles of work with reasonable public transportation options. (think manhattan)...

@cole Yeah, I know the feeling. Just accept that it's not gonna happen and try to think of ways to subtly sabotage the jackass. Like hitting over the head. With a brick. Or whatever else comes to mind.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Irvine and SiliValley are more "unending suburban wasteland", while SF and LA are urban... I think they're all expensive, but at least in the suburban areas you get more square footage for your outrageous amounts of money.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork No point in putting in the effort for that

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Also, living in the east bay (Oakland, Berkeley, etc) and working in SF could actually get you a reasonable commute (BART) and reasonable housing prices.

@freiheit I've thought about doing something like that, but I think I end up with more net $$$ with a Midwest wage and exponentially lower cost of living.

Might be wrong, though.

Also, there's jobs in CA that aren't Google or Yahoo. :)

verily, thou hast sinned!

you can't have exponential progression with only two data points :P

@FalconMomot Each apparent point is actually a semi-gaussian distribution of living costs.

:D

@FalconMomot Sure you can. Well, I can. 2 squared is 4. So, 2 => 4 is exponential growth. :p

it's also linear, since it's the trivial case :)

so, hell.

Apparently people at work are losing their minds that I went to this conference.

which conference?

@cole In what way? Angry that you got to leave for a conference or jealous?

@Wesley both of those.

@cole And how are you finding out about it? Are they saying stuff to you?

@Wesley they asked where I was going

@cole Seems like you're the only one there that takes pride in your work, or actually enjoys it, so I don't know what they expect. Maybe if they would do it to it they'd get to go to a conference too.

@Wesley that's exactly what my boss said

and I asked.

He's like "I can't read people's minds!"

@freiheit That doesn't take uploads from my gps :(

Really sounds like you work with some world-class fuckwits, @cole . I'm starting to seriously wonder if your employer is where mine hires all its management from.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork I was doing OK

This last 1-2 weeks has killed me

next week my manager will be in Brazil

so it's going to be a free-for-all

Every now and then I feel like I'm "doing fine" at my job, but the fact that I keep having stretches where it's killing me to show up to work makes me think that I'm just deluding myself into thinking I'm doing fine from time to time.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork It's not like this for everyone, right?

@cole That's what I keep hearing. Hell, even some of my friends like their jobs.

I've decided I just make bad decisions about whom to work for. Could be a problem you have too, but I dunno.

I think it's a problem I have too

Need to work on my confidence for a bit too. I apply for jobs I know for certain I can do without challenge.

@cole I like my job most of the time even though it's not the highest of pay grades

virtually total independence..

Tired of the BS

i'm taking my first day off of the year tomorrow

Nice.

Taking my first vacation ever in my life, in June.

Flying to Ohio of all places for a friend's wedding...back at 11pm on sunday...monday's gonna drag ass

@Iain Because you're in the wrong nation? It syncs from endomondo and mapmyride, which take uploads from a gps.

@NathanC ouch

@cole Nothing caffeine can't fix though...:p

True that

Trying to decide if I should go get food

either in the restaurant here or somewhere else

I'm eating a friendly's sundae...

@NathanC Same here. I'm only average paid, and could probably make a lot more consulting. But I have a ton of independence and the BS-factor is pretty darn low (other than being a constantly shrinking company with no long-term future)

I kinda wish I was being paid more, but the experience is nice. I'm debating on whether I should approach my boss about a review for that...but not sure yet. Plus, the IT Manager is gone for a good month so I should probably wait.

@cole You here?

@Jacob I am

@cole Food?

do I have any? or do I want any? lol

@cole As in do you want to get something lol

I figured it was kind of implied

I guess not?

where were you thinking?

The place downstairs is kinda $$ and not a huge selection

@cole I just got to my room 3 minutes ago. Yeah it's pretty bad.

Urm

I know there is a qdobas, but other than that I have no idea.

Let's ask Google.

What floor are you on?

@cole 6

I booked outside of the conf.

I get my own couch, WIN!

I got a couch too!

and a big ass freakin' king sized bed

@cole Yurp, did you book through the conf?

my work did, yes

@cole ah.

@Jacob @cole So jelly right now :P

@cole So the important question: Where are we going to eat?

@NathanC haha

@Jacob that is important

@cole They have a five guys around here?

Oh wait, Google thinks I'm still in Virginia Beach

haha

standby!

hey caps lock

wtf

I'm NOT in Virginia Beach anymore Google! You need to spy on me better!

that's new...cdrom drive vanished from my computer

the one time i wanted to use it >.>

@cole So it appears in the terms of chains we have subway or chipole. There are a few local restaurants too. Your pick.

(That is within walking distance)

whats there for local restaurants? I want need beer

@cole tbh I just googled "restaurants near hyatt regency new brunswick nj"

i will do that now

@cole It wasn't a command, oh wait YES IT WAS. I've been DRIVING FOR THE PAST 6 HOURS and require FOOD.

@Jacob took me almost 5 because of traffic

Sucked

Thats why I need beer

@cole I know what that's like.

My rental isn't too bad

Everytime I'm on the NJTP I realize that just to keep up I am committing reckless driving.

there's this place: oldmanraffertys.com

@cole Rental as in car?

Yeah, the car is a newer Malibu

has the in dash touch screen LCD

@cole I drive my Tacoma. It's faaaaaast so I keep up with these silly NJ drivers.

Only thing is the malibu has a really high rear end

@cole Food man, we can talk about the drive while consuming food :)

I linked this restaurant: oldmanraffertys.com

Might be rowdy now at 8pm though

@cole Haha the speakers go there every year after the conf ends. Pretty good. If that's what you want I'm good for it

@Jacob sweet if it's good i'm down

they have a good beer selection